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  • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/26/2008 6:24:56 PM

    Many of you right wing bloggers talking about "Socialism" really need to pay attention. Bush gave us the biggest expansion of government in US history. Bush gave us the biggest deficit in US history. Bush gave us the biggest loss of civil liberties in US history. Bush is nationalizing US banks. A communist move.

    And while McCain is not physically Bush, they are two separate people, they are not much different. Indeed McCain is more of the same, only more so. Its obvious to me that you all wouldn't know a socialist if he were slapping you in the face.

    The right wing commentary will just get more and more ideological and indeed hysterical. It will continue to try to paint Obama what he is not. It will continue to try to destroy his character. That is their only hope. It is not going to work.

    To those who spouting Socialist. Well, if Obama is a socialist, then McCain and Bush are bush-wacking Pirates, dressed in business suits. In league with those running some of the the large businesses these days with "golden parachutes", with special note of the oil companies, car companies and the investment banks. All of them crying "deregulation, deregulation", "self regulation, self regulation", "limits to liability", "limits to liability", etc....

    The American people are starting to tune out the Republican Party. And rightly so. I think the reason is obvious - America as a Nation trumps the Republican Party. Many are starting to see through the Republican facade. William Buckley Jr. gets it, Colin Powell really gets it, but the Party Leaders and demagogues do not - especially people like Rush, Bush, Bachmann and and de Rothschild. The Party is so imbued in its own Propaganda, in its own sense of Superiority and Self Righteousness, that it has indeed lost its way.

    The Republican Party has something of a Maoist sentiment of being the ruling Party and the Ruling Class. In spite of the dissent of most of the Nation. Real Republicans need to seize the levers of the Party, tear it down and rebuild from the grass roots up. Its ownership is too centered in selfish ideological hands and its philosophy has gone Piratical; way too right wing. I think it is way out of the mainstream. For so long it has been there, and held its ground by moving the mainstream and demonizing the left. No more.

  • Posted By: vakosh @ 10/26/2008 1:20:25 PM

    When Obama falls short they will be begging the women to come in and clean it up (as always). Let's face it ... the men have done a terrible job and women are smarter. O will be involved in some scandal before 09 is up and then it is smooth sailing for the gals .... AT LAST.

    • Posted By: johnmccain @ 10/26/2008 6:36:06 PM

      This is just plain stupid. What is this "terrible campaign" --> this was far the best, most organized etc. campaign in history, against all odds. "Will be involved in some kind of scandal" --> utterly stupid, to say the least, You may wish this to happen, but if there was something for him to hide, Hillary would have brought it out for you. BETCHA!!

  • Posted By: benivarius @ 10/26/2008 6:34:28 PM

    And Paulstewart is right, Obama is winning the moderate, intelligent conservatives because so many of us are tired of our party's pandering crap. We want to forward many things, but mindless religious crazies like Sarah Palin are the LAST think we want to back. We're just sick of that garbage spoiling our party.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 10/26/2008 6:32:07 PM

    Her's a little something for you mouth-breathing Republicans. Go to Realclearpolitics.com. Ckick on the Map with no toss up states. Next change Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina missouri and Nevada from Blue (Obama) to Red (McNutty). Obama is left with 270 electoral. So all McSame has to do is to win all of those states above he's losing in the polls and win one more. Maybe New Hampshire or Iowa where he's been campaigning trying to lessen the double digit deficits he has in both.

    I'm going to help you extreme cases with this info. Realclearpolitics isn't a polling site. It just lists every poll such as Gallop, Rassmussen etc. At first, knowing you wouldn't check the site out and call it a commie plot, I'll save you the embarassment. After all you've got enough to bear as it is. Being tied to a party that would sacrifice our troops to hold on to the white House and steal from the poor and give to the rich is a heavy enough burden.

    I'm out don't fret, it will only be 9 days before you can deny you ever heard of Bush, Cheney, McCain and Palin.

  • Posted By: excalibre @ 10/25/2008 7:08:09 PM

    If you feel you need to expose the politicians in the current presidential race, why do you attck a candidate who hasn't been in the public eye and needs a wardrobe? Why don't you go after Obama and his lack of elegibilty for the office he is running for. Even a dummy can deduce he is not a natural born citizen! Yet you have some fear of attacking that point. SAD!

    • Posted By: ikie12pts @ 10/25/2008 8:43:45 PM

      Excalibur, can't you read? Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is s state and was when he was born there.

      • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/26/2008 12:02:53 AM


        I agree, Ikie. You know, the funny thing is that McCain was actually born in Panama, but having been born in American soil of American parents he was rightly declared an American citizen. Now, imagine if the tables were reversed, these people would be using that argument against Obama!

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/26/2008 1:04:37 PM

          Your arguments get more intellectually vapid by the minute. McCain was born on a military base, making him a US citizen without question.

          • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/26/2008 6:31:04 PM


            ... And your comments sound more and more desperate. I stated that McCain had been born on American soil. The point is, if that had been Obama being born outside the 50 states on a military base, simpletons like you would be making an issue out of it. By the way, Obama was born in Hawaii, making him a American citizen, which is the issue we were discussing. See? It's not difficult. Do try to keep up. : )

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/26/2008 12:06:19 AM


      How does a dummy "deduce" he is not an American born citizen? How can you "deduce" that?

      McCain was born in Panama of American parents, in American soil but not properly in ANY state of the Union, why not use that against him?

  • Posted By: bames @ 10/26/2008 6:29:18 PM

    I think Palin needs to keep quiet about Rev. Wright. Her own religion would be a very good topic for others to discuss too. There has to be a clear separation of church and state. Again she doesn't understand. She needs to go home. Thanks to Palin I am now a former republican.\\

  • Posted By: neos @ 10/26/2008 6:26:48 PM

    Palin is a fraud. She is a politician without even a basic knowledge of Civics, a Christian without compassion, and a leader without ethics. And the very people who buy into her simple little miss rural American act are the very same people who bought into the story of the poor little white girl who was attacked (and, gasp, sexually assaulted) by the black Obama supporter. For the sake of you who restrict your contact with the outside world to Rush and Fox news, I must inform you that it was all a terrible hoax. But the rush to judgement was quick and relentless by the hate-mongers whose whole political platform is centered on an irrational fear and hatred of Senator Obama. Gullible and willfully obtuse, they drag the political discourse into the mud. It is encouraging to see that the great majority of decent Americans, Republican, Democratic, and Independent alike are rejecting this assault on America.

  • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/26/2008 6:25:40 PM

    There is no stronger Nation than one with a well run economic engine. One that is fairly and sensibly regulated. One that shares the wealth equitably. One that is built on morally sound incentive systems for its operators. One with a collective advancement and support system for all its members.

    Republicans as much or more than any others will tell you that you don't send into battle men without protection and weapons. You don't send men that are unskilled and untrained in the use of weapons. You don't win battles by leaving your compatriots unprotected. And you don't leave the weak and wounded behind. Their rescue is the mark of heroes. If its heroic in the battlefields of war, why not so in the battlefields of life?

    America is indeed headed for a brighter future with Obama than with McCain.

  • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/26/2008 6:25:25 PM

    I believe that Republicans do not have a lock on conservatism - indeed, Obama is a true pragmatist and he knows that you need to be fiscally conservative to be more socially liberal. Otherwise it does not add up. He is not really a liberal. Obama and the Democrats also understand you can't let the Foxes run the Hen Houses, and certainly not under self policing policies. And certainly not with limits on liability if they eat all the Hens and can't replace them when caught.

    Republicans today do not understand the concept of collective. This is mostly because they are the ones that are benefiting from the Caveman's survival of the fittest ideas and the "ownership" society. They have the money and the power and they view and work politics to maintain it. They feel entitled and they pay lip service to social policies while generally demonizing them as being something unAmerican. When, indeed America needs to shift away from the extreme right wing to a more common sense approach.

    Republican Party leaders and their rich backers want to keep giving the mainstream masses a wind up toy. A Bush, a Palin, a McCain or any Barbie or Ken will do. Just dress 'em up and get 'em talkin' just like ole "Joe Six Pack" and "Joe the Plumber" whoever that is. Its sure not you or me. Let them think their leaders are just like you. This has kept the masses happy, while Republicans and cronies eat the Hens.

    Of course, when the Hens are noticed missing, it will be someone else' fault. Probably the Democrats somehow, it does not matter how, or someone in Iraq. No wait, it might be Putin, or possibly its Castro, no wait he's almost dead, okay then, Chavez ...... Or maybe that Muslim Arab Socialist African Malaysian Hawaiian and UnAmerican Obama...... And so the tomfoolery goes........

    Liberals are not socialists. The latter is a word sullied by dictators and megalomaniacs. Theirs' is a false concept of socialism, used for selfish gain and to keep the masses poor and in chains. As McCain has said - strong backs, or the backbone of America is that American laborer. A back strong enough to carry the malarkey called Republican Conservatism or, I think, Piratical Conservative is more fitting.

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/25/2008 7:08:14 PM

    There is something wrong and disturbing about Newsweak making any kind of assumptions or recommendations about Sara Palin, post-election. Since the day she was announced, Newsweak has done nothing but attack her, print highly suspect stories (in case you haven't noticed, "Troopergate" is falling apart fast because there was never anything really to it), and often engage in vicious personal attacks against her.

    But I bet if you ask the so-called 'tolerant' liberals on staff, they will all claim they are 'feminists', and not once recognize the rank hypocrisy of that statement.

    What a joke they have become. 2008 - the year real election coverage died.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/26/2008 12:13:08 AM


      Hey Jimbo, how is Troopergate falling apart when she was found to have used "unethically used the power of her office" and she had to be deposed a few days ago? They are already on a SECOND investigation -- how is it "falling apart"?

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/26/2008 12:55:43 PM

        The findings of the investigation include the fact that the Govenor was well within her rights to fire the guy in question, as he had a history of problems and was likely going to get wacked anyway. Troopergate is a misnomer, because the Trooper in question was never fired by Govenor Palin.

        As far as subsequent investingations, I have no doubt that the Democrat Party will investigate Gov. Palin until doomsday, because they are so clearly threatened by her and in fact, are totally unhinged by her. But an investigation means nothing without a conviction, and they will never get it because the facts are not on their side.

        I couldn't help but notice how you ignored the rest of my post, instead trying to get this "Troopergate" turkey to fly.

        You are a joke.

        • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/26/2008 6:24:42 PM


          Jimbo, the joke here is on you buddy. Newsweek didn't go after Palin from day one anymore than David Frum, Peggy Noonan, George Will, Ken Adelman (all staunch conservatives) did. Anyone with a brain who did not become infatuated with Palin knows that she isn't ready and she wasn't properly vetted. Case in point is that nine days before the election Palin is having to be deposed concerning Troopergate and we are discussing it, as opposed to talking about other issues. You are on the defensive because McCain was too impulsive and gave you a loaded VP candidate.

          It's over, Jimbo.

  • Posted By: Northern Neighbor @ 10/26/2008 6:22:31 PM

    What would be new in a Palin attack on her own party? Nothing, for she would have learnt that from the ultimate anti-party maverick that picked her as a running mate. What is so ironic, that it's almost funny, is that the student maverick has already turned on the teacher maverick himself, even while he's still standing, unable to defend himself from the consequences of having tried the ultimate maverick conning of the American people, in selecting Palin as his veep, in the first place. What Palin will never say to herself is that it was her presence on the ticket, more than anything else, that led the American voter to see McCain as the maverick danger he represented, in having exposed America to the incalculable danger of an accidental Palin Presidency. Maybe the mirrors in Saks, which go with fancy clothes, are too fancy to reveal the ordinary truth.

  • Posted By: jimmy b @ 10/26/2008 5:28:21 PM

    Come on Harley! Just because some liberal editorial board endorses Obama doesn't mean that Palin isn't a very popular governer. I'm LMAO at you moron.

    • Posted By: neos @ 10/26/2008 6:21:59 PM

      The Anchorage Daily News endorses Obama.

  • Posted By: RM23 @ 10/25/2008 7:09:33 PM

    Obama voters: please keep in mind that you are not REALLY voting for Obama. You are voting for a Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd administration. While Bush irks me for not ardently going after these fools before the Fanny and Freddie tipping point, what we have now is what we have now.

    A Pelosi, Reid, Frank and Dodd running the country unchecked by a young, inexperienced far left President that they can manipulate? That is far more frightening than would be a Palin Presidency. SERIOUSLY.

    Think back to Carter, and SQUARE IT.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/25/2008 7:26:48 PM


      Oh please! Who have we had in the White House in the last eight years? Harry Reid is a pro-gun, pro-life conservative Democrat! And how could ANYTHING be more scary than a Palin presidency? Should, God forbid, she be president she would indeed be inexperienced enough to allow right wing nuts to dictate their agenda... You know, like in the last eight years!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73itui30qIE

      Do you want this person heading your country during a time of economic crisis?

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/25/2008 7:30:14 PM

        An Obama presidency is far more scary than a Palin presidency.

        BTW, in case you haven't heard, Sara Palin is not running for President. Just thought I would clear that up for you, Einstein.

        • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/25/2008 8:15:52 PM


          Thank you for the Einstein compliment! As you know, Sherlock, the VP has to be ready to jump in AT ANY TIME and take over the presidency. But this is a false argument, since you are comparing Obama's eight years in the Illinois state Senate and four in Congress against Palin's 20 months as governor (her impeachment is seriously being considered as we speak). To boot, Obama has been vetted as no other candidate. Palin has granted less interviews than you have fingers in your hands.

          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/25/2008 8:37:35 PM

            Now you are just making things up, Einstein. She is only being considered for impeachment in your liberal wet-dreams.

            Notice how "Troopergate" collapsed under the weight of its own falsehoods? The same thing is happening to all of the other smears leveled against her by those of your filthy ilk.

            • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/25/2008 9:35:15 PM


              Oh, conservatives, they cannot make a point without resorting to insults. (Sigh)

              If Sarah Palin sinks the McCain ticket -which she is doing her darnest to do and for which McCain himself needs no help- she will likely be impeached in Alaska. The Troopergate investigation resulted in "unethical use of the power of her office". In case, you know, you didn't read it.

              And by the way, the investigation wasn't part of a liberal conspiracy, it was started at the Alaskan state congress which is decidedly Republican. Got that, Jimbo?

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/26/2008 12:38:51 PM

                Oh, I read it, and you and I both know you are taking the most selective quote of the entire report out of context. The findings included the fact that the Govenor was well within her rights to fire the guy in question, as he had a history of problems and was likely going to get wacked anyway. Troopergate is a misnomer, because the Trooper in question was never fired by Govenor Palin.

                I guess you have been caught spreading more liberal smears and lies, huh? It must suck to be you.

                • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 10/26/2008 6:18:28 PM


                  Actually it's pretty peachy being me! As I'm sure you have read, there is a SECOND Troopergate investigation going on because the Republican state congress in Alaska thinks Palin is not innocent. This isn't a liberal conspiracy, this is a REPUBLICAN STATE CONGRESS after her. And the scandal is properly named Troopergate because the impropriety was about firing her ex brother-in-law, and since she couldn't do that she fired the commissioner (Monegan) who refused to fire him.

                  Jimbo, it's over.

    • Posted By: ikie12pts @ 10/25/2008 8:42:15 PM

      Do you honestly think that these democrats are smarter than Obama? I think not. You're thinking about "W", who has been manipulated for 12 years, counting his time as governor. He didn't and doesn't have a clue and you know it.

  • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/25/2008 6:32:31 PM


    Posted By: jamie@5tein.com @ 10/25/2008 6:27:17 PM

    Comment: It amazes me how people who support Obama (despite his lack of experience) are quick to criticize people who support Palin (because of her lack of experience) despite the fact that they have already accused her supporters of doing the exact same thing... There's nothing but hypocrites on both sides of this ridiculous election, and there's nothing but idiots talking about it. Including, I guess, myself- why do I even bother?
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    If you believe you can reasonably talk about these two as though they are somehow equivalent, then no, don't bother.... You need to do some more homework...... Seriously....

    • Posted By: ikie12pts @ 10/25/2008 9:00:52 PM

      Paulstewart, the difference between Palin and Obama is NOT experience, it's that she's ignorant and he's intelligent. She isn't intelligent enough to be the governor of Alaska (where most voters are probably bears and can't read the papers or get their GED)let alone the Vice President of the US

      • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/26/2008 6:17:20 PM

        Well said. I also think her experience in the world and in life is just a straw in the wind to Obama's.

  • Posted By: newsweekthisweek @ 10/26/2008 6:12:03 PM

    For certain, the Republican party must re-design, if you will, their ways and establish
    major changes in their ideologies; however, Palin would not be the right candidate
    for such change. She leans too much to the right, which is not good for Republicans
    on the whole.

    For example, overturning the Roe -vs- Wade abortion issue, where she wants to
    bring back what was legislated by government 35 years ago and force it into today's
    social climate. It will not work. Palin must realize that this is the 21st century and
    women's rights greatly impact today's society. Much has transpired over the years.
    The social structure will not allow us to go back and live "what used to be", despite
    religious beliefs (where, by the way, religion has taken a back seat on many
    issues, one of which is abortion). Both parents work to make ends meet, to name
    but a few subjects.

    Palin is not running a small town Wasila-type environmental philosophy of limited
    mind-structure, (like hers). She is ill-prepared to the realities of what constitutes
    human rights; her lack of general political knowledge, sensitivity and understanding
    is a weakness, much too evident to ignore. Her knowledge on world policy is zero.

    Having a pretty face will not do the trick. She lacks too much substance to make
    her way through this jungle of heavy politics. She would embrace a minute few;
    but, to the majority, the country would be in dangerous peril to take her on seriously.

    Having said that does not deprive her of the desire to attempt her involvement
    which does not mean, however, that she will win enough to make a major
    difference. Nobody will fall for her tactics. She is viewed as a liar and a
    manipulater; her image is tarnished, just after 2 months of appearing on stage.

  • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/25/2008 6:52:09 PM


    Posted By: tiger62 @ 10/25/2008 6:44:33 PM

    Comment: I guess we don't need to go vote. The media has already elected Obama.
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    The media does not vote. that is for you to do and every American. You need to get a majority of the electoral college. Not a majority of favourable news articles. And if Palin wants to use the debates and ignore the media, as does McCain, and insult the media too, then don't expect a lot of sympathy. I think the media are doing a fine job overall of getting the truth out. Even Fox is doing much better, perhaps aided and abetted by the truth that Obama is very likely to win on the issues and have a very strong mandate to lead in the right direction.

    • Posted By: fragment47 @ 10/25/2008 7:18:27 PM

      No, Mr. Stewart, the media DOES vote and there is NO QUESTION who they have cast their vote for. NO QUESTION. How sad they have let factual reporting turn into free campaigning for the Dems.

      • Posted By: PaulStewart @ 10/26/2008 6:08:34 PM

        Right, and they have enough votes to make a difference eh? You need to convince a good majority of the American people, not 50% plus 1. Okay? And Republicans are not able to do that because they are dead wrong on all the important issues. And, this ticket is incompetent. If you don't see that fine. Go ahead and vote however you wish and whine about it. That is your prerogative.

      • Posted By: ikie12pts @ 10/25/2008 8:51:03 PM

        Fragment47, if the media was indeed so liberal, why haven't they attacked Palin on the Alaska Independence Party? Google that patriotic little "club".

  • Posted By: pigscanfly56 @ 10/26/2008 6:02:06 PM

    As a former Pepublican, now an Independant, I have to take issue with your take here. Palin has already ruined her brand, the average thinking American will never believe that she is anything but empty rhetoric now. The Republican party has gone wrong in that they don't understand that many of us real conservatives just want the government out of our lives. We want you to keep your god out of our government, we want you to keep your gay-bashing and race-baiting to yourselves. And we don't believe that immigrants are the source of all of our society ills. When you continually appeal to the least common denominator amoung us, you do us all a disservice. Barry Goldwater must be spinning in his box.

    • Posted By: benivarius @ 10/26/2008 6:06:53 PM

      THANK YOU!!!! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!! Why do we have to swallow this crazy far-right fundamentalist nonsense just to forward that ideal??? Why does the fact that I'm a fiscal conservative mean that in order to persue that agenda I I have to elect people who cave to the far-right social fringes? it's ridiculous, and we need to take the Republican party back from those people at get it into our corner again.

  • Posted By: pigscanfly56 @ 10/26/2008 6:03:41 PM

    As a former Republican, now an Independant, I have to take issue with your take here. Palin has already ruined her brand, the average thinking American will never believe that she is anything but empty rhetoric now. The Republican party has gone wrong in that they don't understand that many of us real conservatives just want the government out of our lives. We want you to keep your god out of our government, we want you to keep your gay-bashing and race-baiting to yourselves. And we don't believe that immigrants are the source of all of our society ills. When you continually appeal to the least common denominator amoung us, you do us all a disservice. Barry Goldwater must be spinning in his box.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 10/26/2008 5:28:26 PM

    Voter rally attendance in Albuquerque, New Mexico on Saturday 10/25
    As per the Albuquerque Journal:

    Obama: 45,000

    McCain: Less than 1000


    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 10/26/2008 5:33:42 PM

      That means nothing! Republicans have a private ground game that is unstoppable in the past.

  • Posted By: Jennifer B @ 10/26/2008 3:26:11 PM

    Let me see...Palin represents a type of overwhelmingly white party who unites moneyed white families with low-income white families against the blacks, Hispanics and immigrants; who overwhelmingly favors "states' rights" against a centralized form of government; and who, at least politically, believe that 'might makes right.' Palin isn't a Rebulican. She's a confederate! "You betcha" = "Fiddledeedee!"


    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 10/26/2008 5:31:11 PM

      Palin is a patriot and doesn't have to come in contact with other kinds of people. She is a proud Rebublican and this is proven by her courageously having a special needs baby that she wears like a badge.

      Palin 2028 !!!

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