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  • Posted By: galland @ 10/26/2008 9:29:50 PM

    Why don't you silly little liberals grow some balls (or brains for that matter) and realize that the use of force through communism is the only way to spread your ideas.

    Your simplistic plan of socialist spread the wealth, nationalize healthcare, censor the media are childs play.

    I hope Obama/Biden win so a new generation of children can be raised who are trained and embrace socialism so our communist ideals can then take hold and bring some true change to this nation.

    • Posted By: rapidron @ 10/26/2008 10:01:44 PM

      You know, McCain stated that people who make over $250,000 should pay more taxes--he SAID SO HIMSELF.
      Bush put forward socialism for the rich with his tax cuts, AND was the forerunner for the bailout WITHOUT oversight--TO SPREAD THE WEALTH the way he saw fit. You're so ignorant, this stuff is so simple and you can't get it.

  • Posted By: suzyku @ 10/26/2008 9:57:14 PM

    What would happen if mccain stole the election? Disaster for this country and it's people, that's what! Depressing, horrible thought. We better hope this country is smarter than that!

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/26/2008 7:57:14 PM

    Between an unproven Illinois lawyer and a U.S. naval hero...

    Who would you vote for?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwhk1thFzGs

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 9:54:12 PM

      It's a no brainer -- even considering the koolaid

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 9:53:23 PM

      It's a NO brainer

  • Posted By: Phoenician Lady @ 10/26/2008 8:43:20 PM

    I hope Mr. alter, that you are correct in your hypothesis that Obama will win. Like millions of others, I just don't know how I face four more years of narrow mindedness, paranoia, war, and fading economic prospects. Republicans spread fanatacism, fear greed and misery.

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 9:51:41 PM

      Careful....you projection is showing...

  • Posted By: whyya readinthisrag @ 10/26/2008 9:08:03 PM

    I think anyone who agrees with this rag of a magazine or any of the other communist news networks have got to get their head examined, Its obvious how they have committed age discrimination and sexism against the Mccain/Palin ticket, If you ask me it appears racists are the last thing we need to worry about with all these communists running around in our country. Just remember we defeated imperialists in the past and we can do it again..by any means necessary...

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 9:50:31 PM

      Amen. Their tolerance only goes one way.

  • Posted By: E_Vera @ 10/26/2008 9:43:59 AM

    Since 1973, an estimated 42 million children (not fetuses) have been killed! This hideous statistic surpasses the number of people killed in all the wars the US has fought. We value laws for the prevention of cruelty to animals more so than human life!
    How many physics, inventors, researches, and doctors who could have discovered cures for cancer would have been borne were it not for this hideous and self-centered crime against humanity?
    At what point will God's love for mankind be overshadowed by His wrath for laws that allow life to be denied and snuffed out under the guise of women's rights? Who is speaking on behalf of the rights of the unborn child (not fetus)? The overturn of Roe vs. Wade will lead to a more responsible nation and perhaps the continued favor of God who still recognizes that this great nation was founded because of the religious prosecutions taking place in England.
    It IS time that America woke up! The only choice is for us to get back to basics and realize where our blessings truly come from. Senator McCain and Gov. Palin want and will get us back on track.

    • Posted By: rdunton @ 10/26/2008 9:48:54 PM

      Does anyone advocating the overturn of Roe v Wade realize this will not end abortions? There will not be a federally guaranteed right to one, but then it will be up to the states to make their own laws. If a woman wants an abortion and it is illegal in her state, she will just go to a nearby state where it is legal. If anyone thought that overturning Roe v Wade will stop abortions, they are only kidding themselves. I don't approve of abortions either, but it would take a constitutional amendment to ban abortions in the United States, and that is very unlikely.

  • Posted By: Underground Sanity @ 10/26/2008 3:41:38 PM

    Great Oak, GOSMHS and Mickeyj are the stronger proof of my argument than anything I could say. And the saddest part is that they cannot even recognize the ignorance, race hate and lack of rationality in the stuff they are spewing. Ëxtreme Socialist" Obama is unqualified while Pailin is qualified, etc. It all makes a perverse kind of sense when you live in a world blinded by fear, division and racism.

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 9:45:16 PM

      Underground (In)Sanity:

      How LARGELY YOU PROJECT onto us your feelings and those of your party. Trust me, we are not AT ALL motivated by the things you are. We are motivated by SEL-RESPECT, LOVE OF and DUTY TO COUNTRY, OUR FAMILIES and our FREEDOMS. Unfortunately something you and your LEFTIST friends will NEVER understand. You make me want to throw up.

    • Posted By: FloridaPalmFlower @ 10/26/2008 3:54:05 PM

      No one here said it better... well done.

  • Posted By: ploughman @ 10/26/2008 9:43:22 PM

    Looks like we've got some LIVs in this thread. Joe the Plumber is your leader!

  • Posted By: trogers @ 10/26/2008 9:41:28 PM

    In the election booth, the older white vote will defeat Sen. Obama as it has defeated Democrats ever since Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights laws in the sixties and thereby lost the racist wing of the Democratic party forever. The polled voters might say they do not and will not consider race as a main issue, but in the voting booth race will be the only issue. The racist soul of older white American voters will elect Sen. McCain. Despite his mentally challenged running mate, despite the failure of the Republican agenda and the abject failure of this Republican President in every possible way: McCain will win simply because he is white. The white man will win again against a black man. The will of the older white voters will prevail. This election will probably be the last victory for white supremacy, but it will still be a victory.

  • Posted By: mojojojogp @ 10/26/2008 4:13:51 PM

    Why do all conservatives take it as a given that if Barack Obama is elected he will fail ? Do you not think Barack is intelligent enough to assemble a formidable team who can take the good ideas from both liberal and conservatives and establish new practices to govern ? I do not see any part of the conservative agenda that is proactive, compasionate, and in any way prepares our country for the future. Barack and his team have developed new plans to not only energize our economy but take the steps to reduce our dependence on foreign energy. The oil folks see this a threat to their worldwide dominance and of couse would not endorse any candidate that suggests this is a credible plan. And to Mr. Oregeno - your statements are ignorant, racist, and unobjective in every way, and do not contribute to any type of dialogue. If the conservatives actually practiced objective principles to governing, our country, and our economy, would be in much better state. Instead, conservatives like yourself continue to divisive - you're not interested in unity, you're only interested in your agenda (supported by a minority of the country) ending up on top in a divided country. Oregeno - who's the new enemy ?

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 9:15:04 PM

      Wow! You really do not know whether or not you are coming or going. You have bought into the p r o p a g a n d a of the left and you wonder why there is no dialogue....

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 6:32:19 PM

      mojojojogp - continue parroting the liberal agenda and see where it will get you. Continue projecting the liberals ideals of l i e s, b i g o t r y and h a t r e d and then wonder about whey there is no worthwhile dialogue...

    • Posted By: oregano @ 10/26/2008 6:30:24 PM

      You may want to actually inform yourself about Obama's record and his policies before attempting to bait anyone info a discussion - your profound i g n o r a n c e is showing

  • Posted By: rob2233 @ 10/26/2008 9:01:31 PM

    From a steadfast republican, if the republican candidate was Michael Steele, I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Its not the skin color, its the despicable people that would be running the gov't. Pelosi, Frank, Dodd.Snakes in the grass who WILL take everyone's money under the guise of "it's neccessary that we support everybody" eventually 3-4 years there won't be anyone left to tax.

  • Posted By: Lucy Montana @ 10/26/2008 5:04:49 PM

    I'm sorry if I offended you right wingers. I do believe Obama will be the best choice. I'm afraid of a McCain victory for many reasons. Since I have already voted, the only way I can made a difference is to appeal to the people who haven't voted to please get out there and vote--vote your choice, but please don't vote without first thinking through what you want to see when this election is over--more of the same as the last 8 years or some fresh ideas. Liberal Democrat is not a bad phrase (even though I consider myself a moderate Independent). Liberal Democrats at least care about the education of our youth instead of just passing unfunded programs that sound good but can't work because they didn't put any money behind them. And, with the bailout passed by both sides, does anyone think we can get by without raising taxes? I admit that Obama talks tax cuts, but so does McCain. It's the same old saw: "Republicans want to take your money and give it to the rich, Democrats want to take your money and give it to the poor." The gist of it is, they all take your money. You cannot run a country without money--it's their priorities that make them different from each other. Just admit it--Ronald Reagan's "trickle down" economics didn't work--it just made the rich richer and the poor poorer. We don't need 8 more years of that. As a retired government worker and a small business person whose business is going under because of this credit crunch, I don't see where throwing money at Wall Street firms and banks will save us. Maybe that's why this campaign has sickened me so much. It has brought out the worst in a lot of us and brought down the American dream with greed, cynicism, intolerance, and a lack of ethics.

    • Posted By: PAtoTN @ 10/26/2008 5:19:57 PM

      Lucy - Bill Clinton created the "credit crunch" and sub prime mortgage fiasco by rescinding the Glass-Steagall Act, officially known as the Banking Act of 1933. Glass-Stegall made sure the bill forbid banks from getting into the investment business. In addition, the bill established the Federal Deposit Insurance Company, which protects our bank deposits. Clinton signed it away, causing the failure of the banks. Economic conditions historically run in eight year cycles, and we are just now seeing what Clinton accomplished.

      • Posted By: amaremlap @ 10/26/2008 7:10:47 PM

        You really need to check your facts because what you're saying IS NOT TRUE!!! The Glass-Steagall Act is still in place and deposits are protected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act

        • Posted By: PAtoTN @ 10/26/2008 8:29:25 PM

          Perhaps I should've worded this better. Clinton did not rescind the act per se, he altered it. Allowing banks to invest, combining commercial and personal accounts and interests. Yes, the FDIC is still in place. I didn't mean to imply that it was not. Sorry for the confusion.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 10/26/2008 7:36:07 PM

        Uh, the FDIC is still around and still insures deposits. As a matter of fact, it just increased the deposit insurance to $250,000 from $100,000. It's right in the middle of trying to arbitrate the dispute between Citibank and Wells Fargo over Wachovia right now.

        Were you unaware of this?

  • Posted By: Voterman08 @ 10/26/2008 8:23:05 PM

    Wow, what a liberal way of interpreting a McCain-Palin victory. I am tired of being considered a racist if I vote for McCain-Palin. So, I guess it's fair to say anyone voting for Obama is an ageist and sexist? According to your viewpoints I would be correct in saying this. McCain is 72 and Palin is a woman and that scares the liberals, but because Obama is black, you have to throw in the "race" card. That is typical liberal thinking...

    Oh and by the way, I am a minority...Native American heritage. Obama isn't getting my minority vote...I'm voting for McCain-Palin because I believe any election is about character over content, not color or race.

  • Posted By: Voterman08 @ 10/26/2008 8:22:29 PM

    Wow, what a liberal way of interpreting a McCain-Palin victory. I am tired of being considered a racist if I vote for McCain-Palin. So, I guess it's fair to say anyone voting for Obama is an ageist and sexist? According to your viewpoints I would be correct in saying this. McCain is 72 and Palin is a woman and that scares the liberals, but because Obama is black, you have to throw in the "race" card. That is typical liberal thinking...

    Oh and by the way, I am a minority...Native American heritage. Obama isn't getting my minority vote...I'm voting for McCain-Palin because I believe any election is about character over content, not color or race.

  • Posted By: TamaraB @ 10/26/2008 8:17:57 PM

    I agree with ComDent - what an assumption! that a white Republican will only vote for McCain because he/she is racist! What a lot of bull. We don't like Obama's policies, his way of thinking. If he were a Republican, I would vote for him. This has nothing to do with skin color (get over it), and everything to do with his viewpoint.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 8:17:19 PM

    This is real simple economics. How many full-time employees with benefits does a person with a $50,000 income personally employ? For most, none. How many does a person with $250,000 employ? One less under Obama's tax plan, two less if you include Obam'???s health plan.

    Obama's ill-conceived programs will require him to tax, and his health care plan alone is a substantial hidden tax on all business, large an small. In reality, it does not really matter who he taxes, those taxes are going to be passed through the economy. He has to tax, because it is they only way he can pay for his massive social engineering experiments. Any first year economics student knows that taxation is a tool used to contract an economy experiencing inflation, because it reduces demand by reducing the amount of money individuals and businesses have to spend. It is contractionary, which is exactly what you do not want to do when the problem is that the economy is contracting already into recession. Like Hoover and FDR, Obama's plans will only make it worse for longer.

    See e.g. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/03/opinion/main4499465.shtml
    And
    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx


  • Posted By: Yolie @ 10/26/2008 8:45:52 AM

    What would the American people do IF Obama were to actually release his 1961 birth certificate instead of his 2007 computer generated birth certificate. What IF Obama were to release his medical records? What IF Obama were to release his college application records? What IF? The media is doing a disservice to the American people. Everything needs to be reported and cleared on ALL candidates.

    • Posted By: rdunton @ 10/26/2008 8:17:12 PM

      I don't understand why this is such a big deal to anyone. Most people I know don't have their ORIGINAL birth certificiate and they only have a copy that they got from the city hall where they were born or some other government office. How can any one expect Sen. Obama to show us an ORIGINAL birth certificate, when probably like many of us, he doesn't have it. An official COPY of my birth certificate has been perfectly acceptable anywhere I have went.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 8:17:06 PM





    What do you really know about Obama's economic philosophy? Since he has never run a town, state or business, he has no record to look at. Oh, he has made lots of promises, but given that he broke his promise to be limited to public campaign funds, you cant put much faith in that, and there will be no means to keep those promises anyway.

    But you do know that Obama, along with his democratic buddies in Congress, personally and professionally advocated for a residential housing policy favoring forced sub-prime lending, which subsequently resulted in massive defaults and foreclosures, leading to your loss of significant equity value in your home, to the point that it destabilized your banks, which panicked the stock market, which wiped out your savings.

    Look and listen to Obama for yourself. Obama in this video, addressing his community activist work and his work representing ACORN in litigation against the banks and relating to the Community Reinvestment Act, and addressing the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae as those actions relate to the destruction of our economy by causing the current real estate and subsequent financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

    "Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

    Acknowledging the catastrophe, but as apologist for the Democrats, Obama then offers this justification.

    "The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

    Yah, great idea. Economically unsound, but embraced by Obama. Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

    Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    In the exchange with "Joe the plumber" we find learned that Obama really is as radical as his early political acquaintances, Davis, Ayers, Wright, etc., and that he is into the failed economic policy of wealth redistribution. Obama's tax and spending plans alone would be bad enough, but add Reid and Pelosi to the mix, with the three of them controlling both houses of Congress and the executive branch without any effective restraint, and you have something that should causes concern even among moderate Democrats.
    See Wall Street Journal: A Liberal Supermajority:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224202058898429

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 8:12:58 PM

    Comment: The Kennedy tax cut.

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1765.cfm

    About half way through the article.

    "President Kennedy proposed massive tax-rate reductions, which were passed by Congress and became law after he was assassinated. The 1964 tax cut reduced the top marginal personal income tax rate from 91 percent to 70 percent by 1965. The cut reduced lower-bracket rates as well. In the four years prior to the 1965 tax-rate cuts, federal government income tax revenue--adjusted for inflation--increased at an average annual rate of 2.1 percent, while total government income tax revenue (federal plus state and local) increased by 2.6 percent per year . In the four years following the tax cut, federal government income tax revenue increased by 8.6 percent annually and total government income tax revenue increased by 9.0 percent annually. Government income tax revenue not only increased in the years following the tax cut, it increased at a much faster rate.
    The Kennedy tax cut set the example that President Ronald Reagan would follow some 17 years later. By increasing incentives to work, produce, and invest, real GDP growth increased in the years following the tax cuts: More people worked, and the tax base expanded. Additionally, the expenditure side of the budget benefited as well because the unemployment rate was significantly reduced.
    Using the Congressional Budget Office's revenue forecasts (made with the full knowledge of the future tax cuts), revenues came in much higher than had been anticipated, even after the "cost""of the tax cut had been taken into account. Additionally, in 1965--one year following the tax cut--personal income tax revenue data exceeded expectations by the greatest amounts in the highest income classes.
    Testifying before Congress in 1977, Walter Heller, President Kenned''s Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, summarized:
    What happened to the tax cut in 1965 is difficult to pin down, but insofar as we are able to isolate it, it did seem to have a tremendously stimulative effect, a multiplied effect on the economy. It was the major factor that led to our running a $3 billion surplus by the middle of 1965 before escalation in Vietnam struck us. It was a $12 billion tax cut, which would be about $33 or $34 billion in today's terms, and within one year the revenues into the Federal Treasury were already above what they had been before the tax cut.
    Did the tax cut pay for itself in increased revenues? I think the evidence is very strong that it did."

  • Posted By: dekmar3d @ 10/26/2008 10:20:57 AM

    The Dems puhed us into the current economic mess our country is in starting with Clinton, Congress just finished the job and thank God Bush was in office on 9/11 and not John Kerry. I don't want to even think what the state of the world would be like if that coward was our President. Obama will be a totally different person if he gets elected.
    One thing I've noticed is that, when it all said and done, the REALLY INFORMED voters are the quiet ones that come out on election day and really make the right choices. Unlike the Dems that feel the need to spew hatred and lies right to the last moment and then cry foul when they loose.

    • Posted By: farneyblakeley @ 10/26/2008 10:45:02 AM

      Gore would have been President on 9/11, not Kerry. The fact that you are trying to blame Clinton for the current economic meltdown eight years after his departure from the White House showcases the depths of your denial and delusion.

      • Posted By: dekmar3d @ 10/26/2008 8:11:31 PM

        Sorry, made I got ahead of myself. I meant Gore would have been a coward.

    • Posted By: Fisherman144 @ 10/26/2008 10:55:48 AM

      The only reason Republicans stay quiet is they have nothing constructive to say. If they happen to have a simple thought it comes out as a Bible thumping denegration of everyone that doesn't believe like they do.

      • Posted By: dekmar3d @ 10/26/2008 11:08:51 AM

        Liberals get so incredibly defensive.When Obama came into the fold I gave him a fair chance. I did my reasearch. I listened to points made by both sides. I read propaganda put out by the liberal media(the majority) and the conservative media and made up MY OWN mind. Something it seems alot of democrats cannot do. McCain wasn't my first choice and not who I voted for in the primaries but this is truly a choice of voting for the lesser of two evils.

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