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  • Posted By: jayjen2 @ 10/31/2008 3:29:40 PM

    I love science, it is a true thing and makes things tangible. Yet scientists are as bad as the religious believers but in the opposite direction. Religious believers know there is a god and that there is a heaven and hell but there is no proof, and their book ( the bible in it's many forms) is written by men and then re-written by kings and people that want to push their agenda.
    Now scientists can't grasp god because it isn't something they can touch and put under a micro scope. They sit down and make the statistics show the numbers they want and push their own agenda.
    Makes me think that both groups are pushing their own agendas and that if you don't go along with their beliefs, either science or religion then you are just wrong and need to be fixed or they need to show that it is one of their groups that you fit into by statistics or Satan.

    • Posted By: kellyLove @ 10/31/2008 3:51:14 PM

      I would like to respond in a manner that is not offensive. But your statement says Religious believers "know" there is a God. But I would like to kindly correct that statement. "Us Religious Believers" don't KNOW anything. Well at least not in the actual definition in the word. It would be religion if we all KNEW. Then it would be fact. There is a findementalist differene between the two. FAITH. Faith is not the same as believing just as Believing is not the same as knowing. I can honestly say that I have FAITH in God I DO Believe that ther eis a power bigger than me. Those are not interchangeable...

  • Posted By: dstc1969 @ 10/31/2008 2:44:07 PM

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .....breath..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..side hurting....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...whew okay and i done..whew OKAY people..there are no ghost reincarnations, UFOs, Elvis is dead, the lochness monster is not real, big foot is shaq in a fur coat, and there is nothing at area 51..so go enjoy life

    • Posted By: Mabullma @ 10/31/2008 3:50:21 PM

      thank you! completely agree...go enjoy life people

  • Posted By: dstc1969 @ 10/31/2008 2:43:37 PM

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .....breath..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..side hurting....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...whew okay and i done..whew OKAY people..there are no ghost reincarnations, UFOs, Elvis is dead, the lochness monster is not real, big foot is shaq in a fur coat, and there is nothing at area 51..so go enjoy life

    • Posted By: Mabullma @ 10/31/2008 3:49:18 PM

      thank you! completely agree ....go enjoy life people!

  • Posted By: megs2337 @ 10/31/2008 3:47:48 PM

    The fact that certain scientists and the authors of this article include "religious faith" in the same category as those believing in alien abductions or the abilities of psychics is insulting to people of faith, and frankly, quite ignorant. Millions upon millions of people believe in God because it offers a plausible explanation to the existence of the universe. Science can only get us to the Big Bang, but what or who caused that and why there was a necessity for something or someone to "create" a human universe cannot be explained by anyone. So, that is why people have faith in a supernatural being such as God, not because they went through a "tumultous event." This is as ridiculous as Barack Obama claiming that certain members of the populace "cling...to religion." As a believer, religion and God are not something I "cling" to. The presence of a creator and subsequently a creed to follow makes the most sense to me from both a spiritual and intellectual standpoint. And a belief in angels is not a delusional fantasy as the article claims; rather, people of faith believe in them because the Bible tells us they exist and ARE protecting us. It is clear that these scientists' lack of a belief in anything not provable by the scientific method is influencing their "research" quite a bit. And one last thought - the belief in God is the only "supernatural" belief that claims to influence what happens to a person when they die a physical death. These skeptics sure are taking a big gamble that it's all in the mind.

  • Posted By: ravra @ 10/31/2008 3:45:48 PM

    In a purely scientific perspective, cant it be that we are are physical manifestations or containers for packets of energy and these energy packets just take different forms (physical body) when the original container stops functioning because of old age, disease or an accident. Our human minds have limited capability to think beyond the realms of known science, which is still very young and growing. Till a century ago, we were sceptical about existence of atoms, few hundred centuries before that we were sceptical of a universe where our earth was not the center of it. As we are not sure of the scientific working of such phenomenon, it is best to have an open mind towards their occurances, with an emphasis on trying to understand them, if and how it is possible for these to happen from a scientific angle.The human mind should be studied more deeply, to understand what are minds are capable of doing.

  • Posted By: ravra @ 10/31/2008 3:44:41 PM

    In a purely scientific perspective, cant it be that we are are physical manifestations or containers for packets of energy and these energy packets just take different forms (physical body) when the original container stops functioning because of old age, disease or an accident. Our human minds have limited capability to think beyond the realms of known science, which is still very young and growing. Till a century ago, we were sceptical about existence of atoms, few hundred centuries before that we were sceptical of a universe where our earth was not the center of it. As we are not sure of the scientific working of such phenomenon, it is best to have an open mind towards their occurances, with an emphasis on trying to understand them, if and how it is possible for these to happen from a scientific angle.The human mind should be studied more deeply, to understand what are minds are capable of doing.

  • Posted By: jera smiles @ 10/31/2008 3:42:21 PM

    In the infinite scope of consciousness not only are all things possible but plausible as well.

    jerasmiles

  • Posted By: Brent P @ 10/31/2008 3:40:15 PM

    Hmmmm.... maybe some of us believe in ghosts and ESP because they are actually things we have experienced so clearly that there is no explaining them away. When I was in junior high school, my best friend had the gift of being able to tell me what seven digit number I was thinking of, with perfect accuracy about 90% of the time. I have also had the experience of seeing a ghost with such clarity that I was able to distinguish facial features as it stood in my bedroom and watched me for 10 minutes. I still remember that experience (the only time I've seen a ghost) like it was yesterday, even though it happened 40 years ago.

  • Posted By: reinadelaz @ 10/31/2008 3:36:58 PM

    I do not clain a gift of prophecy, but I foresee a time when Shermer will once again embrace his Christianity. We can try to walk away from Him, but once we believe, the Saviour Jesus Christ never leaves us.

  • Posted By: ayindril @ 10/31/2008 12:52:03 PM

    All of the previous comments are examples as mentioned in the study above. Everything we experience, think, believe, etc is a result of wiring in the brain and nothing else. You are not some "connected" soul. You are a living organism like a plant who has a finite existence. Accept the peace of this and make more out of your life.

    • Posted By: Drinking @ 10/31/2008 1:44:32 PM

      Wow you are a ray of sunshine arent you. Youmust have pretty low self esteem to compare yourself to a plant but I'm not ere to judge. Just because you dont belive it doesnt mean the rest of us are going to do the same. With more and more people experiencing the paranormal this could be us evolving bit by bit but tat is only atheory.

      • Posted By: ayindril @ 10/31/2008 2:25:34 PM

        The point is to find beauty and meaning out of the trurh of our existence. To the contrary, one must have enormous self esteem to realize that one is nothing more than another facet of evolution. There is a beauty in living life for the good of it, not because of fear of an angry creator, etc. The fact is that paranormal experiences can be tied, as the article explains, to normal everyday things.

        This entire conversation is pointless. As Sommerset Maughn said: There are people who are entirely religious and no matter what is said to them or what they experience they will remain that way. And, there are those who are not religous and, likwise, will remain without belief regardless of the circumstances. Believe if you want but you need to know that your belief is just that. It is not a fact. After several thousand years of human scientific observation there has never been a credible scientific observation of a phenomenon that could not be described scientifically/naturally. Anyone who says otherwise is practicing pseudoscience or lying.

        • Posted By: Drinking @ 10/31/2008 3:35:58 PM

          The article really is not that well done. They make assumptions and try to make these into fact and do not leave the door open for anything else. It reminds me of when gallileo (think thats how its spelt) said the world was flat and the church would not believe him.
          I am not one of those who will believe blindly if there was sufficient evidence to support the scientific route I would change my beliefs but there is not. All experiences cannot be put down to everyday occurences and the articles claim that 90% of us are wrong is just laughable. p until a couple of years ago I was were you are now and would argue that it was all imagination but after having many experiences that friends and relatives have also seen its hard not to believe

  • Posted By: ehab @ 10/29/2008 10:17:18 AM

    Anyone know the name of the scientist that found that consciousness is a result of brain function? No? Well that's because no one has. You all quote these parts of the brain and functions and ascribe to them why what you see and feel is real and what others see and feel is wrong, yet you are guilty of the same thing you accuse them of, belief. Have you seen this section of the brain cause these results? Do you even know if it really exists? Or really controls whatever function? No, you don't. YOU HAVE FAITH IN YOUR PRIESTS, the scientists, when even they say that all they say can be disproved by another simple discovery. So carry on your inquisition and try to justify the prevalent dogma with your condescension and mob mentality, and turn a blind eye to anything that might challenge it. Essentially that is what the so called sceptics do, they poison the well, and so anything remotely outside of accepted fact is insulted and debased not on merit of fact but on shame and group psychological security. There is another word for that, cowardice.

    Consciousness is found in single celled organisms (Hammeroff) (for you born again scientists, they don't have brains, because they are one cell) and Sheldrake is studying premonitions and the sense of being stared at in Cambridge with solid results. If you look at any of this and try to see what is really going on, there is a lot more there than the old dismissive "It's all in your head". But if you don't care, turn away without declaring what does and doesn't exist. In my book, someone who experienced something has more authority to speak on it than someone who has not. We have far too many people dismissing things that they have no experience with, and far too many people saying things in the name of science that they have not explored themselves, but merely take on faith and bludgeon anyone who departs from the accepted norm with propaganda and mob rule.

    • Posted By: JayTee123 @ 10/31/2008 3:35:55 PM

      Accepted norm? Mob rule? Your comment is laughable. Do you not realize that "believers??? out number those "skeptics??? by margins too vast for me to even mention? Scientific fact, so far as it has been able to be proven within the scientific method, and not yet disproven despite the larger numbers of believers, is propaganda? What about how most "believers" brainwash their children to have the same "faith" and "beliefs" that they do, with generally NO evidence, proof, study, experiment, substantiation, or consistency? Many blindly pass on those beliefs with nothing more than ???faith???. Sadly, most of those children never question those unexamined tales and never try to think for themselves. They stay just like you. What a shame. By the way, the brain is simply a collection of advanced cells that work together, commonly referred to as brain cells. These cells have their own brain of sorts; the nucleus. Consciousness is a result of chemical reactions within those cells (mostly determined by the nucleus), which work together to make one giant human nucleus (brain), which in turn causes chemical reactions which give us consciousness. You can argue there is a god because of course it cannot yet be disproven, regardless of the probability. However, you cannot argue that you think, act, and feel as you do because of these chemical reactions and electrical impulses as a direct result of your brain. It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, it is very logical, and it explains why damage to the brain usually results in dysfunction. No one can really argue that. Argue that your god is the one who programmed you that way all you want, but don???t act like your brain with its billions of brain cells with their own brain center working together simultaneously to try and compute infinitely complex and ever-changing stimuli could never let you down and make you ???see??? or ???feel??? something that really isn???t.

  • Posted By: knlewiscmt @ 10/31/2008 3:35:20 PM

    This is a bit farfetched. While I lean toward believing in some form of reincarnation, I am much more apt to believe those who were "ordinary" people - not presidents, royalty or celebreties.

  • Posted By: ravensangel @ 10/31/2008 3:31:18 PM

    The pervasiveness of your DISbelief in the supernatural and paranormal in this age is what I find odd. As everyone knows, science is only ONE view of the universe, not THE view. In this age of illumination and expansion it sounds so strange to hear such an old-fashioned, closed, one-sided statement basically saying 'it's all in your head'. It most surely is not. No matter how hard the case you are making tries to force the 'evidence' to fit, it is based more on fear than anything of science. The left-brained, arrogant scientific world is so determined to debunk the supernatural for no better reason than there vast, limitless egos. I
    would like to see scientific proof that there are no ghosts, proof that reincarnation is not real. But alas, you cannot and we wind up in the same boat. Believers may not be able to prove the existance of things beyond this world yet but science cannot prove the lack of their existance either. To those of us who have clearly and undoubtedly seen what you so hope does not exist, no scientic proof in necessary. It is the height of arrogance to tell anyone their experience is not real. Some may not be, but there are many, many who know what they have experienced in a ghostly encounter or the absolute knowledge that they have lived before is the truth as only one can see first hand. We do not need your scientific data to prove that the 'supernatural' is as natural as anything else in this world.

  • Posted By: ArcticWitness @ 10/31/2008 3:28:02 PM

    Sharon Begley is a nut case, who thinks she has all the answers for every situation. What a delusional QUACK! If any of you have read, don't waste your time, any of her other writings, you'd know what I'm talking about. Please for the love of -FIRE THIS FREAK OF NATURE!

  • Posted By: jayjen2 @ 10/31/2008 3:26:41 PM

    I love science, it is a true thing and makes things tangible. Yet scientists are as bad as the religious believers but in the opposite direction. Religious believers know there is a god and that there is a heaven and hell but there is no proof, and their book ( the bible in it's many forms) is written by men and then re-written by kings and people that want to push their agenda.
    Now scientists can't grasp god because it isn't something they can touch and put under a micro scope. They sit down and make the statistics show the numbers they want and push their own agenda.
    Makes me think that both groups are pushing their own agendas and that if you don't go along with their beliefs, either science or religion then you are just wrong and need to be fixed or they need to show that it is one of their groups that you fit into by statistics or Satan.

  • Posted By: idiot_believer @ 10/31/2008 3:26:02 PM

    Your feelings of "intellectual superiority" are apparent in your article. And all you have to do is write everything off as coincidence and look down your nose at all the idiot believers.

  • Posted By: Jinque @ 10/31/2008 3:22:33 PM

    If I believe that what is out there is not, then by the same token, what is not there, is....

  • Posted By: Avitar666 @ 10/31/2008 2:43:26 PM

    Lol Karen27a I think your rather funny, If a heaven exists than a hell does, For the basic idea and fact that dark cant exist without light or that pure love cant exist without chaos and hatred, So for there to be a heaven and no hell would be rather impossable. We as people compair hell as a much worse place than heaven and im sure that the earth is indeed much worth than heaven so even if there isnt a place way down below that has fire and brimstone than earth would be the next best place as a hell becuase it is more chaotic than heaven.

    On a flipside i think that reincarnation is the only probable answer to what happens to use when we die, If you can think back to 6th grade science you learned the basic rules of energy witch is 1) Energy cant be destroyed 2) energy cant be forged 3) Energy can only be moved. With that being said all humans (and living things) run on energy much like a lamp needs energy to light a room we need energy to move around and live, So when we die our energy just cycles back through and goes into anoother vessle waiting to come alive, Since all humans need energy and there isnt a spring that creates an infinite amount of energy (since energy cant be forged) its only logically ideal that energy goes to another person once its old vessle is to old to carry it any more.

    • Posted By: mr_t_0421 @ 10/31/2008 3:17:56 PM

      why not have your "energy"(AKA soul) go to heaven or hell; it's not being destroyed or forged its just being moved to a spiritual realm full of God and all that is good (Heaven) of satan and all that is evil (Hell)

  • Posted By: StrayTracer @ 10/31/2008 3:01:40 PM

    From what I see, this is just a long-winded version of "People see what they want to see, and that is why they believe in supernatural phenomena." The plain and simple truth is that there IS more to this universe than the banal, material world. It is extremely arrogant of humans to believe something does not exist simply because they cannot perceive it. The only real question left is what that "more to the universe" consists of, which is something that will be debated until Judgment Day.

    • Posted By: andrzej2001 @ 10/31/2008 3:17:41 PM

      You say: "The plain and simple truth is that there IS more to this universe than the banal, material world."

      This statement is neither plain, simple, nor - necessarily - truth. In more than 40 years on this planet during which I have traveled and studied extensively, I have encountered nothing that would persuade me to agree with you. In many ways, that's a shame. I'd love to be so sure that there was more than just the physical, but I fail to understand how anybody can be so sure as you seem to be when you have nothing solid to pin your beliefs on. Science explains more about our universe every day, and as it does, the religious are either forced to revise their beliefs, or resort to wearing blinkers.

      So I ask you -- on what do you base your beliefs? Why would you believe in something you yourself say we "cannot perceive". If we cannot perceive something, we can know nothing about it: including the simplest question of whether it exists or not.

  • Posted By: melissa_douthit @ 10/31/2008 3:17:23 PM

    We need to be careful when we talk about objective reality. Einstein proved that nobody knows what that is. Einstein's theories prove that time and space are variable, that is, they change depending upon where you are in the universe, how fast you are going, and the strength of the gravitational field in which you are. The author of this article is talking about empirical evidence and objective reality as being in the here and now, that is, as being defined by time and space. How can the true definition of existence and the true nature of reality, that which is absolute and unchanging, that which is the underlying factor of the universe from which all things are born, be defined by that which is variable, changing depending on where you are in the universe? It cannot. The true definition of existence and the nature of reality extend far beyond the 4D spacetime in which we are trapped. It defines time and space, not the other way around. What the definition is though, no one knows. We have been trying to figure this out ever since Man could think and write. And this is where science, empirical evidence, and all logic and reasoning break down and fail, and where belief, religion, and faith succeed. We cannot *know*, as a fact, the true nature of reality. We can only believe.
    ~ Melissa Douthit, Monterey, CA

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