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  • Posted By: Scarletknight @ 10/31/2008 2:09:23 PM

    Why is no one ever reincarnated from a ditch digger from New Haven, Connecticut? It's always John Adams, or Napoleon, or Helen Keller. What a nut case.

    • Posted By: realhuntress @ 10/31/2008 3:15:42 PM

      I agree with Drinking - I am one who has very vivid memories of several past lives - and not only one of those was as someone who had a small place in history.
      All the fighting and arguing here is really pointless. The scientists involved in this research are lacking one major element... experience. Those of us who have experienced the paranormal KNOW what we saw, felt, or heard. It wasn't some operational glitch in our brains. it's just as real for us as watching a home movie would be - you see it the images on the screen and while you may not be able to touch it, you know it's real.

    • Posted By: Drinking @ 10/31/2008 2:27:30 PM

      You make a fair point and even though i believe in reincarnation I sometimes suspect these claims but to answer your question some people have memories on past lives but cannot tell you who they were because history records are so vague.

  • Posted By: melissa_douthit @ 10/31/2008 3:14:57 PM

    We need to be careful when we talk about objective reality. Einstein proved that nobody knows what that is. Einstein's theories prove that time and space are variable, that is, they change depending upon where you are in the universe, how fast you are going, and the strength of the gravitational field in which you are. The author of this article is talking about empirical evidence and objective reality as being in the here and now, that is, as being defined by time and space. How can the true definition of existence and the true nature of reality, that which is absolute and unchanging, that which is the underlying factor of the universe from which all things are born, be defined by that which is variable, changing depending on where you are in the universe? It cannot. The true definition of existence and the nature of reality extend far beyond the 4D spacetime in which we are trapped. It defines time and space, not the other way around. What the definition is though, no one knows. We have been trying to figure this out ever since Man could think and write. And this is where science, empirical evidence, and all logic and reasoning break down and fail, and where belief, religion, and faith succeed. We cannot *know*, as a fact, the true nature of reality. We can only believe.

  • Posted By: missyloo @ 10/31/2008 3:10:02 PM

    This article was pretty facinating, atleast for myself. I've loved to learn about the human mind since I was a "tween." However, I have lead a pretty rough life and can entirely relate to believing. When I was 11 years old, I was the kid in the counselors office talking to the older gentlemancounselor about the existance of god and the devil, posing the question what if god is really evil and the devil is good, how are we to know? I was told I'd make a good philosipher. At the age of 16 when my Mom passed away suddenly (but in retrospect not surprisingly) i wanted nothing more than to "see" her move the candle that we talked about while she wasalive (it was our "secret" that if/when she passed and if she was still able to be around me she would mess around with the candle),a few times I thought the flame changing might have been her, but then how many times have I seen every candle in my home ever do that? I've hoped and wished for a bigger meaning to be shown and hoped and wished for my Moms ghostly pressence, over 6 years later nothing yet. My sister suffers from sleep paralysis, and has since she was a child. More recently she is sure that there is a spirit in her room (she still lives with my grandma), and/or that her spirit guides have shown themselves to her at night. Now, im not baout to tell my older sis that I don't believe her or that the sleep paralysis is what maybe causing this, she has had way too many years of depression and even worse in the years before and who am I to take any hope away from her, although the part about the paralysis in this article "clicked" when I read it. I've had 5 seperate times when the doctors told my Mom to call close family and friends because they did not believe i'd make it through the next hour muchless the night, Im still here, but when i woke up 3 of those times(days later) I could have sworn that all I felt was calm and like I was floating in a vast dark plain, no lights or angels singing...however I thought i must be here for a reason. The last two times, not much except for the final "waking up" i thought "Life is too beautiful, and there is so much to learn ...it is too short of time to be here regardless of what goes on after my body ceases." I still believe in much, or rather have hope in unexplainable happenings, however the human mind is so tantilizing and complicated (unless you are a geneous who already feels they know it all) and beautiful, either way it is an amazing not completely understood part of all of us. And who knows what it is fully capable of......no one today does.

    PS, it does lean towards showing the doc in a not to great of light, who knows for sure if he is or isnt, but not the greatest light on doc...

  • Posted By: poet potty @ 10/31/2008 3:09:44 PM

    Maybe Dr. Semkiw is a DESCENDANT of John Adams and that could explain all the genetic similarities and even speak for preferences and mannerisms. As far as the belief in the supernatural, it is presumptious and arrogant for humans on the planet earth to believe they are the only life forms when we have scientific evidence of many, many galaxies beyond our relatively small universe. "Ghosts" may be other intelligent life that is able to mutate and take the form of a familiar figure in order to communicate with us. It's possible!

  • Posted By: jigsaw @ 10/31/2008 2:46:10 PM

    *yawn* ...I have known too many people with supernatural experiences, and have encountered such experiences myself, to believe what was written. Science is impressive, but it can't explain everything.

    And some people posting are ridiculous...whether you're a believer or not, to call one another "idiots" and the like is just childish. Get over yourself - other people have different beliefs from you, deal with it!

    • Posted By: Sorenthia @ 10/31/2008 3:09:25 PM

      Believers and nonbelievers have different ways of filtering information to assess its validity. The article examines this to a degree, but many more pages could be written on this topic. Skeptics do, as someone mentioned, tend to evince higher IQs in a multitude of studies: 42, I believe, out of which a mere 7 had indeterminable results. The skeptic is essentially pleading for believers to begin to think critically, and to make naturalistically plausible assertions about reality. The skeptic has no time for the many varied God brochures that people pander.
      The believer is open to "faith" in things. Information does not need to be verified in a stringent way. They invariably engage in faiths that teach them to reject all other faiths. They fall into the common trap of religion. They are simple, common people. They are the masses.
      Fellow skeptics, they cannot be reached through argument. Society will hopefully change in time, when the intellectual elite eventually succeeds in making adult beliefs in Santa, Zeus, flying monkeys, and gods and demons, laughable through media. As Zeus is now a dead God, so will the others die of the same afflication as they are continually replaced with more socially acceptable concepts.

    • Posted By: ayindril @ 10/31/2008 2:57:11 PM

      There is a serious difference between a belief and a fact.

  • Posted By: ArcticWitness @ 10/31/2008 3:05:27 PM

    It is dicusting, one-sided articles like this, that make people distrust the media and these actions will eventually put like writers out of work, when no one will grant them an interview. It is obvious the authors of this poorly written and researched article TARGETED the Dr. for ideals the writers had in mind already without the Dr. being aware of the out come. How deviant and misleading, you two should be ashamed of yourselves, Newsweek needs to fire you and hire someone respectable. Is Newsweek really that hard up for writers? This article SUCKED!

  • Posted By: mathron221 @ 10/31/2008 1:43:58 PM

    If you are older than 12, you should not believe in ghosts, period.
    These are the games of a childish mind, much like Santa or the Easter bunny.
    As a matter of fact, if are older than 12, you should be persuaded into believing in the POSSIBILITY that there is no god. If you feel concrete certainty that there is a god, then it is probably due to a misguided upbringing.

    As Richard Dawkins said, we are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.

    • Posted By: Karen27a @ 10/31/2008 2:03:39 PM

      okay where do you think Earth came from? The universe, the human body all these super complex things humans cannot fathom? People who dont believe are also subjected to questionable up-bringing.

      • Posted By: mr_t_0421 @ 10/31/2008 3:03:36 PM

        i totally agre with you nd just to throw them some more wher did life come from and why havent humans been able to recreate it;making people out of dust and making them be living breathing thinking human beings?

      • Posted By: emilystatic @ 10/31/2008 2:17:34 PM

        if you are older than 12, you shouldn't be so ridiculous.
        everyone believes something different. respect the even the people who don't agree with you.

        • Posted By: Karen27a @ 10/31/2008 2:51:57 PM

          oh I do respect people who dont agree w/ me. i was once one of those people. I participated in pagan holidays and believed in reincarnation and ghosts, then I found the truth and it all makes sense now and my questions have been answered.

      • Posted By: crochater @ 10/31/2008 2:45:18 PM

        and what is your proof, a book writen by uneducated people in a cave a long time ago from hearing voices, that has been retranslated so many times it probably looks nothing like it did in the beginning. i cant say if there is a god or not, but to say definately there is or isnt is just stupid, that said if you believe or not and it makes you happy, no power to you, but to tell someone your right, they are wrong.............

  • Posted By: StrayTracer @ 10/31/2008 3:01:51 PM

    From what I see, this is just a long-winded version of "People see what they want to see, and that is why they believe in supernatural phenomena." The plain and simple truth is that there IS more to this universe than the banal, material world. It is extremely arrogant of humans to believe something does not exist simply because they cannot perceive it. The only real question left is what that "more to the universe" consists of, which is something that will be debated until Judgment Day.

  • Posted By: Karen27a @ 10/31/2008 1:59:53 PM

    I understand people may think pictures of ghosts are amazing and there may be similarities in someone who is dead and someone who is living. hoever there is no such thing as reincarnation or ghosts, and I have indeed lived in a haunted house. So i have experienced it myself. If anyone read the Bible, these ansers are logically answered. It is common sense that death is the opposite of life. When you die you are consious of nothing. You are 'sleeping' or 'at rest'. So it is clear that you do not have a soul that comes out of your body and continues to live on. The brain controls our entire body and when the brain dies, and our body dies, we die, that's it! Heaven exists but we will go there until Judgement day, hence the resurrection at "the end". On the flipside, Demons do exist as I think many Catholics and others would agree. Demons take many forms and even have different personalities like people do, since they used to be in fact Angels. Remember they had to choose sides as Satan rebelled against God. Angels who rebelled became Demons who were hurled out of Heaven down to Earth to rule, since they think they can do better than God can as Ruler. that is why the world is the way it is, Satan is having his chance, but day God will say 'enough' and the end will come hence the resurection and judgement and the new Heaven and Earth will be created. All that is bad will cease to exist. The mere ideas of ghosts and Hell, reincarnation, spirits who live among the living are all lies from Satan to distract people from the truth, from God, and look how well it has worked. After all, he was able to decieve Eve and Adam.

    • Posted By: mobrien846 @ 10/31/2008 2:57:45 PM

      If "Satan" is deceiving us "Spiritual" believers about an afterlife....doesn't that contradict what he stands for? If he is feeding this "false" information into our minds then he is truly doing a great job of comforting us. I have had many spiritual experiences, which have all lead to the one thing that "God" and "Jesus's" teachings come down to....and that is to LOVE. Nothing evil, (which is what Satan stands for right??) has ever come out of these experiences. What....does he laugh and point a fingure at us "believers" when we die and say "HAHAHAA....I tricked you while you were alive...hahahaha!!" What pleasure does Satan get out of that when we wouldn't be consciously aware of it?
      I can predict what you will say to this. " The point is for him to stray you away from the bible." All spiritual experiences have lead me TO the bible. Really Satan....you're a GENIOUS!!!! IF you read the bible spiritually rather than literally you will understand and realize things in it you never noticed were there before! Yes....Eccl-9-5"The living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing". Thats because James 2-26"The body without the Spirit is dead." Eccl 9-5 is speaking about the physical sense not the spiritual. There are countless more excerpts that support this.
      So come on Satan!!! Keep tricking me into Loving and getting closer to God!! If that is your purpose your sure doing a great job of striking fear into the hearts of the living!!

  • Posted By: handersen @ 10/31/2008 2:46:39 PM

    I would like to know from the aethiests how they explain all of the end-time biblical predictions that are coming true (the problems in the Middle East, increase in earthquakes, strange weather patterns, man's hatred toward eachother).

    • Posted By: ayindril @ 10/31/2008 2:54:55 PM

      Research what evolution and evolutionary psycholgy has to say on it. There is too much to go into on this board. Really, if you believe in something that much don't you think you should know as much as you can on the topic. Briefly: There have always been problems in the middle east, as everywhere. They are no worse now than they have ever been. There are no increases in earthquakes. In fact in the intermountain west region of the USA there have been a surprising absence. Earthquakes are natural. If you look at the entire history of the earth, which is billions of years old not just 6000, there is nothiing abnormal about the current wheather patterns. Man has always hated out-groups. This is an adaptive function that served to insure the passing of genes.

      There is a fortune cookie affect here. If you open something and like what it says or believe in it, then you see it everywhere you look whether it is true or not.

  • Posted By: frostydrop @ 10/31/2008 2:52:26 PM

    From the article -- "No matter how many times neuroscientists assert that the mind has no existence independent of the brain, "we still think of our essence as mental, and of our mind as being independent of body," " -- Ah, I see now that neuroscientists have come to an absolute conclusion about this, which means they also must have been able to discover, say, the root cause of mental disorders and such, and have discovered the cures for them as well. Wait, what? You mean neuroscientists have not, and countless numbers of people continue to suffer from such disorders despite receiving treatment? You mean neuroscientists still have a difficult time wrapping those fantastic minds around things such as perception, emotion, memories, dreams -- and how those thing precisely effect the other systems in our bodies -- and there is still only at best a feeble understanding of how the chemicals in our brains work?

    No self-respecting scientist ever states that something is absolutely true when it comes to something as nebulous as the mind. They would always leave the possibility open that they could be wrong.

  • Posted By: a guy @ 10/31/2008 2:16:42 PM

    There is so much to say in response to an article like this, most of which the under-140-IQ readers would never understand. Simple minds produce simple people, and simple people are generally simple-minded.

    So, just a couple of points here so as to not waste my time elucidating reality for the "believers." 1. Most of life is just as it seems--that is the nature of reality. No ghosts, reincarnation, or boogeymen (including Satan); 2. The "desert religions" (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) are political philosophies veiled in stories involving the battle between "good and evil." They represent nothing more than compiled dissertations written by fallable men attempting to incite revolution through various catalysts; 3. There are immutable laws of existence that transcend individual instances. BUT just because there is a identifiable relationship among events DOES not mean that a bump and a noise in your house is Uncle Jerry coming back from the dead to tell you tomorrow's winning lottery numbers; 4. Religion is not the same thing as spirituality. Christians believe in a jealous God that will not invite you over to his house if you don't believe that he grilled the steaks with lightning bolts flying out of his fingers. God, the omniscient creator of everything, whatever it is must be, cannot be that petty. If God is anything, he has got to be a scientific God. Look at the wondrous complexity of the universe. The entity/being which created it must have better things to do than tinker with the lives of individuals. Ergo, it is better to be spiritual than religious.

    • Posted By: mr_t_0421 @ 10/31/2008 2:49:46 PM

      there is real historical evidence from vaios other sources that the bible recounting the event s int the bible. there is more evidence for than against these events. and concerning the belief that jesus-being real-was just a good man; do good people lie? if the awnser is no then jesus was either a lunatic or was God as he claimed. if he wa a lunatic how could he have made so many logical points an caried on logical conversations. i chaleng you to explain awaythe evidence for jesus's divinity with science.

  • Posted By: andrzej2001 @ 10/31/2008 2:48:43 PM

    This line is hilarious: "It was all so persuasive, thought Semkiw, who is now a doctor at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group in California, that as a man of science and reason whose work requires him to critically evaluate empirical evidence, he had to accept that he was Adams reincarnated."

    I trust that was satire, but just in case it wasn't, here's the thing:nothing Semkiw cites as evidence is anything more than coincidence, and pretty lame coincidence at that. He says he can be "passionate"? So does everyone! Even people applying for pizza delivery jobs are expected to be "passionate" about their work these days.

    Furthermore, the principle of Occam's Razor would require a scientist to reject the supernatural as an explanation for anything that can be explained more simply. And EVERYTHING Semkiw says can be explained without recourse to reincarnation.

    Are you really sure he's a doctor? Good thing the article mentions where he practises -- I'll make sure nobody I care about ever goes there.

  • Posted By: NickG @ 10/31/2008 1:14:55 PM

    I'm glad people can come out as atheists now. In a society that preaches acceptance, it's long been the norm to be "Christian" and many people were still persecuted for not being Christian. (Not in the sense of physical damage, but can you imagine if we had a president who openly said "There is no God, he's not real" I'm not saying s/he'd have to be Christian, but if s/he didn't believe in some form of higher power, I highly doubt s/he would get elected.

    As for the couple of you who are "Damn"ing this holiday. Do some research, halloween is based on a holiday that was intended to repel evil. For a religion that preaches acceptance, you sure are ignorantly judgmental. Go figure. I bet you celebrate St. Patrick's day and don't even know what St. Patrick did.

    • Posted By: jake2629 @ 10/31/2008 1:21:02 PM

      Ummm..Id love to believe all of this. But, I have seen a ghost and even experienced a couch moving on its own, I was with another person when this hapened, so it wasn't just me. Im sure there might be some crazy scientific reason this happened so they would say, but I know what I saw.

      • Posted By: Karen27a @ 10/31/2008 2:46:59 PM

        I believe what you saw absolutely, but it's demons not ghosts. many people dont except that because they think Demons are ONLY interested in harming people physically when that is not true.

    • Posted By: Karen27a @ 10/31/2008 2:44:08 PM

      Halloween is a holiday that is worshipping the dead. Not repelling evil, where did u come up with that? All things scary are brought up on halloween, Satan relishes the holiday, Satanic worshippers and Atheists relish this holiday also. It is not and never has been a Christian holiday. Christmas is not a christian holiday either. Neither is Easter.

    • Posted By: Xena1st @ 10/31/2008 1:31:38 PM

      St. Patrick was one of the patron saints of Ireland. The St. Patrick's Day parade was first held in Boston in 1761, organized by the Charitable Irish Society. Most people like to celebrate just to have an excuse to part.
      Wikipedia, great source of information.

      • Posted By: Xena1st @ 10/31/2008 1:38:31 PM

        I'll try this again. I forgot to add the Y to PartY... St. Patrick was one of the patron saints of Ireland. The St. Patrick's Day parade was first held in Boston in 1761, organized by the Charitable Irish Society. Most people like to celebrate just to have an excuse to party.

      • Posted By: Xena1st @ 10/31/2008 1:34:31 PM

        oops, I forgot the Y in PARTY... LOL

    • Posted By: ragab1 @ 10/31/2008 1:28:22 PM

      Nick, you are probably right about St Pat's day... I'm sure it wasn't intended to be a holiday to promote getting drunk and stupid.
      I find Christian ignorance annoying; as well as their typical belief that no one else is right except them. 'Why is there enough religion to incite war; but not enough to instill tolerance? " and I believe that most of the religion based wars relate to Christianity.
      As for Halloween - Samhain - it is typical celebrated among the pagan faiths. I digress from calling them religions; as they are not all religions by definition because some do not have a creation theory; which makes them an exception to the definition of 'religion'.
      It is for celebrating our ancestors, their lives, their lessons, their souls... a time to 'batten down the hatches' so-to-speak and prepare you homestead for the winter months; and seek protection of the Gods/Godesses to keep you safe and well through this rough season.

  • Posted By: ayindril @ 10/31/2008 2:43:56 PM

    Education and, to some extent IQ, are negatively correlated with the belief in supernatural, paranormal, etc. That is not to say that there are not exceptions.

  • Posted By: budabuda @ 10/31/2008 2:22:39 PM

    let us all remember that we are( us humans) part of nature so we are no different to trees, rivers, aceans and everything that makes up our world, nature recyles all these ( a tree falls and another one is grown) and that will include ourselves, remember the saying " dust to dust or dirdt to dirt" depending which part of the world you come from, that is recycling so why would you not believe in re-incarnation

    • Posted By: Karen27a @ 10/31/2008 2:29:07 PM

      Because it is not the same tree growing back, and it is not the same person being born out of another woman! dust to dust, that is all. Death is the opposite of life, and the dead are consious of nothing. No where in the Bible does it say that people were re-born as another person. Not people, animals insects, or plants.

      • Posted By: crochater @ 10/31/2008 2:38:59 PM

        sure, if you belive the bible...........then that all works.......yet there are 100's of diff bibles and diff religions, so which is right, and im sure youll say yours is

  • Posted By: Fresh @ 10/31/2008 2:38:31 PM

    I'm a very open-minded person & I feel I dont have any right to hurt anybody's beliefs, but I wud like to have answers to few simple questions before I can even think of beleiving such phenomenon.

    My questions are: Why is it that American is reincarnated as an American and not some poor Somalian or Bangladeshi for instance? And if there are ghost or an after-life, where does the soul/spirit of all animals, insects and birds go? If humans are God's children, so are animals and insects, right? Does an cockroach reincarnates as an cockroach or as an ant or as a Army general????

    We shud not forget science is an very strong subject, it stands for what it speaks and since it provides empirical evidence it has some basis as opposed to such theories which are baseless and nothing more than "games of mind".

    People my advice & my religion is "Beleive in Science, Science is our saviour" :) Thanx

  • Posted By: DesertDan2 @ 10/31/2008 2:37:53 PM

    We have the scientific method (hypothesize, test, conclude, review) for a reason: the method keeps us from believing any old thing we desire and from accepting at face value perceptions of the world that may not reflect reality. The scientific method requires that we test our hypotheses of how the world works and that we generate reproducible data to support accepting or rejecting our hypotheses. Because much of paranormal experience is difficult to subject to the scientific method, scientist tend to remain skeptical of the claims of paranormal experience. The strength of paranormal claims is further reduced when we CAN find testable, reproducible explanations for those experiences in how our brains function and interpret the data coming from our senses. In this sense, we scientists are skeptics: we choose not to believe a claim unless at least some reproducible, reviewable, supporting evidence is available. Being a skeptic has nothing to do with being close minded; it has everything to do with attempting to build a realistic view of the universe.

  • Posted By: Paranormal Nights @ 10/31/2008 2:37:24 PM

    I am a paranormal investigator who has seen a few things that are unexplainable. It is true on many levels that the subconscious can guide you into believing an idea that you may have been conditioned to out of religion or popular opinion of those around you your whole life. The ultimate question is what you personaly believe. If you believe only facts and figures than you will never have enough evidence to prove to you that there is a spiritual world. If you only believe only in the spiritual world then many times you will jump to conclusion over any unexplained activity as a ghost. You have to keep an open mind and an open heart to all aspects of life, spirituality, and in yourself. So what do you believe? If you want to learn more about us check out our myspace pages at www.myspace.com/paranormal_nights and www.myspace.com/ghost_cincy Keep your faith in yourself and be ready for the unimaginable.


    Greg Pollitt

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