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  • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/27/2008 9:58:39 AM

    PALIN S RE-DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH

    HIKED OIL COMPANIES TAXES AND GAVE ALASKAN 3200 PER PERSON SITTING IN THEIR HOMES...............

  • Posted By: Democrat-Hillary @ 10/27/2008 9:56:21 AM

    PALIN S SOCIALISM?
    Sarah Palin and Wasilla Sports Complex land deal
    by xgz
    Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:39:17 AM PDT
    Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002. Her record during that time can tell us a lot about her. The biggest deal during her tenure is perhaps the construction of the sports complex that was built on someone else's land. She had to raise sales taxes to pay for it. The whole episode of incompetence, arrogance, and lack of respect for the law is exactly the style of governance that we've seen from Bush and co in the past seven years.
    The $15 million multi-use indoor ice arena was supposed to be her legacy as the mayor. This was a very big deal for a city that had a budget of $3.9 million in 96 (increased to $5.8 million in 2002). Although the city subsidy has gone down from the initial $600k per year to about $125k per year, the sports complex still does not break even.
    The biggest problem, however, was the process of how the land was acquired. The whole thing was handled with exceptional incompetence and arrogance, ultimately costing the city an extra $1.7 million in settlement and court cost for a piece of land that would have costed only $125k if they had handled it right from the beginning in 1998.
    This involved a developer by the name of Gary Lundgren. Here is the whole scoop:
    Lundgren negotiated with the national office of The Nature Conservancy to buy the land. Meanwhile, Wasilla city officials decided they wanted the land too, and began negotiating with the Alaska office of The Nature Conservancy. Offers were extended to both parties. Lundgren closed the deal.
    Without the title in their hands, the city went ahead with the sales tax increase and started the construction. Then in typical Bush fashion, as Palin was leaving office in 2002,
    Wasilla sued both Lundgren and The Nature Conservancy for title to the land. The case went to a federal appeals court, where Lundgren won rights to the property.
    The court case was finally settled several years after Palin left.
    The real legacy is, that the city is still paying for this today, while having to cut budget in library service, postponing capital improvement projects, and raising fees.
    Can we afford this kind of incompetence on the national level?




  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/27/2008 8:05:10 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

    2001 Chicago Public Citizen Radio Interview criticizing the Warren Court as not radical enough for not pursuing redistribution of wealth.

    Says that community organizing is for the purpose of assembling the political power to force redistribution of wealth.

  • Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/27/2008 7:16:38 AM

    Republicans need to step away from the China money trough (trof)! Americans can pay for their own tax cuts using Obama's tax plan! Step away, Step away!

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 3:39:42 PM

    "Barack Obama's campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported. In a communication which serves to put all other media on notice that an Obama administration will exercise media blackmail in response to tough questioning, the Obama camp killed a WFTV interview with Biden's wife Jill, according to an Orlando Sentinel blog.

    "This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best for the duration of the remaining days until the election," wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign, according to the Sentinel.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/obama-campaign.html

    See the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM


    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/27/2008 12:38:08 AM

      Biden didn't face "tough and critical" questions.... HE FACED BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA FILLED QUESTIONS... there's a difference

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 8:38:36 PM


    This is real simple economics. How many full-time employees with benefits does a person with a $50,000 income personally employ? For most, none. How many does a person with $250,000 employ? One less under Obama's tax plan, two less if you include Obama's health plan.

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/27/2008 12:35:02 AM

      Cite your resource. Otherwise, you are making this up as you go along.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 10/26/2008 10:51:08 PM



    Because they are desperate,

    MANY REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SAY AND TRY ANYTHING NOW.

    BE WARY . . . BE VERY WARY of what you hear from them.

    Examples:

    Obama is going to tax you to death.

    Yes, 3% more for those making over a quarter million NET INCOME. That is only 3% more of the amount above the quarter million. Ex: Make $280,000.00 The additional tax is 3% of 30,000.00 or $900.00. Is $900.00 additional tax, taxing you to death at a net income of $280,000.00?

    What is wrong with that in a time we are financing two wars and have such large deficits?


    And they will use fear with Obamas judgement:

    Obama has been correct so many times while McCain was NOT both on foreign policy and the economy. Even President Bush is now doing some of the very things Obama said and many generals and foreign policy experts have underwritten Obama.

    McCain is even regretting his erratic actions during the recent bailout crisis.


    Yes, from now to election day, nothing on issues from republicans,

    . . . . . .LIES, FEAR AND SMEAR IS THE NAME OF THEIR GAME.


    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/27/2008 12:33:13 AM

      Thank you... you have demonstrated the ability to see through the garbage being spread. (see jrmapu). All we have is the truth. don't let them drown it out with distortions, lies, fear, manipulation, and propaganda. Thank you for fighting the lies.....

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/26/2008 11:59:37 PM

      I guess you like the fact we as Americans are paying immigrants to send their monies to the mother land. You must also like the fact medi-care, medi-caid, and social security is being cut and the feds will not help pay the elderly's Part Aand Part B. The ones who are losing is us. Democrats are currently the majority and our elderly is paying the price not only us. Yea thats right tired of lies and BS. Hypocrits!

  • Posted By: jimiw@suddenlink.net @ 10/26/2008 8:25:06 PM

    You idiots, FactCheck.org is owned and produced by the Annenburg group - the ACORn crowd at work - I do not believe anything they say, I just know that when they sayit htey are not telling the truth!

    • Posted By: stillwerise @ 10/27/2008 12:26:44 AM

      Moron.. Annenburg is a CONSERVATIVE.... DUH!

  • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 10/26/2008 11:35:31 PM

    We will have another 2 more years of a depressive economy. America will wake up from the hangover and vote Republican. Socialist programs make people like me pay for them. Why? Because 1) I make less than 250K (the real people who are paying into the system) and 2) I am single. That alone makes me pay more.
    I am the population paying for these socialistic programs that benefit people who are not even US CITIZENS. Now the Dems want to give people who do not pay Social Security, our hard earned monies. That is not a lie. I work in local government and we have programs for immigrants to come here get monies and send them home to their mother countries. That is another reason our economy is in the toilet. This is all true. So don't even try to say otherwise. Its disgusting what I see yet I have to administer the injustice of all the hypocricy in the name of the federal government.

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 10/26/2008 7:56:08 PM

    Is it possible Joe the Plumber takes cash that he does not report to the IRS when he plunges out a toilet ?

    • Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/26/2008 8:14:34 PM

      If he's paid "under the table" then he's underpaid.

  • Posted By: cm4297 @ 10/26/2008 7:09:51 PM

    Damn, that's all they've got.

  • Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/26/2008 6:12:33 PM

    Taxes:

    -Those making between $250,000 and $400,000 annually will have less than $1,500 increase in their taxes. (These people are not complaining. "Joe the plummer" is not in this income bracket.)

    This will -PAY FOR- the tax cuts given to the middle class.
    This -WILL NOT INCREASE THE DEFICIT!-

    Calculate your taxcut: http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

    ...................

    McCain has a Santa Clause approach to tax cutting. He wants to make cuts, but has not identified how it will be paid for. This will never pass Congress.

    McCAIN'S TAX PLAN (or slogan) WILL WILL INCREASE THE DEFICIT!

    Get your specific McCain Tax info (if available)
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/taxes.htm
    McCain has slogans not plans.

    .....................


    Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not enough money to create socialism: No socialism here. However, it is enough money to -PAY FOR- the middle class tax cuts. This is responsible tax cutting.

  • Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/26/2008 6:12:09 PM

    And what about McCain's Nazi and Latin death swad ties. Do a search, its well documented (its on foxnews.com also).
    the U.S. Council for World Freedom
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/mccain_and_the_us_council_for.html

    McCain has these ties. However, Obama has not exploited them because supposedly McCain has changed. That is integrity from Obama. McCain has no integrity.

    Yes We Can

  • Posted By: LVUONG @ 10/26/2008 5:57:06 PM

    American people are smarter than that. Obama is an extremely liberal leftist socialist, for big spending, big government control, higher taxes to pay for all the spending and well-fare, more and more regulations, and less and less freedom for people. Jimmy Carter is an exmaple of the Democratic party's policy/philosophy, Nancy Pelosi is worse, and Barack Obama is the of worst kind.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 10/26/2008 5:39:40 PM

    Do NOT forget:

    The republicans DOUBLED the National Debt in the last eight years. That is a $5,000,000,000,000.00 increase.

    There is where the spenders are.

    Remember, in 1992 the republicans were saying the same thing about Clintons policies as they are about Obamas now.

    And Clintons policies created the best economy of the last 50 years, CUT the National Debt and handed Bush a SURPLUS.

    The republicans are in full fear mode now and do NOT want you to think about this.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 10/26/2008 5:39:03 PM


    Voter rally attendance in Albuquerque, New Mexico on Saturday 10/25
    As per the Albuquerque Journal:

    Obama: 45,000

    McCain: Less than 1000

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 10/26/2008 5:37:20 PM


    Republican lies folks:

    FACT:

    On the Oct 12 version of ABC This Week, it came out that in March 2007, five months after democrats won control of congress, they (democrats) passed the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulation bill.

    Also, Obama has stated any new spending will be paid for with cuts.

    In stark contrast: The republicans paid for nothing. That is why they doubled the deficit increasing it $5,000,000,000,000 during total republican rule.

    The republicans do NOT want you to think about this.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 5:02:26 PM

    See Barney Franks comments on the news, including face the nation last week, stating that Democrats in Congress intend to greatly raise taxes and go on a spending spree.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJGnSAlqjoU

    See http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23617.html


    And again what was Frank saying at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. in 2005 to fix Fannie and Freddie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

    So which party is really the liar that soaked the American people?

    See also: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/08/politics/main2335631.shtml

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 4:07:21 PM

    What do you really know about Obama's economic philosophy? Since he has never run a town, state or business, he has no record to look at. Oh, he has made lots of promises, but given that he broke his promise to be limited to public campaign funds, you cant put much faith in that, and there will be no means to keep those promises anyway.

    But you do know that Obama, along with his democratic buddies in Congress, personally and professionally advocated for a residential housing policy favoring forced sub-prime lending, which subsequently resulted in massive defaults and foreclosures, leading to your loss of significant equity value in your home, to the point that it destabilized your banks, which panicked the stock market, which wiped out your savings.

    Look and listen to Obama for yourself. Obama in this video, addressing his community activist work and his work representing ACORN in litigation against the banks and relating to the Community Reinvestment Act, and addressing the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae as those actions relate to the destruction of our economy by causing the current real estate and subsequent financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

    "Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

    Acknowledging the catastrophe, but as apologist for the Democrats, Obama then offers this justification.

    "The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

    Yah, great idea. Economically unsound, but embraced by Obama. Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

    Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/26/2008 4:07:11 PM



    Obama's ill-conceived programs will require him to tax, and his health care plan alone is a substantial hidden tax on all business, large an small. In reality, it does not really matter who he taxes, those taxes are going to be passed through the economy. He has to tax, because it is they only way he can pay for his massive social engineering experiments. Any first year economics student knows that taxation is a tool used to contract an economy experiencing inflation, because it reduces demand by reducing the amount of money individuals and businesses have to spend. It is contractionary, which is exactly what you do not want to do when the problem is that the economy is contracting already into recession. Like Hoover and FDR, Obama's plans will only make it worse for longer.

    See e.g. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/03/opinion/main4499465.shtml
    And
    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

    How many full-time employees with benefits does a person with a $50,000 income personally employ? For most, none. How many does a person with $250,000 employ? One less under Obama???s tax plan, two less if you include Obama???s health plan.

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