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  • Posted By: TomK @ 10/29/2008 4:01:58 PM

    Isn't it time we admit that politicians who wear their religion on their sleeves--especially loony apocalyptic religions like Sarah Palin's--are poor choices for high positions in government? Do we really want someone who believes in "End of Days" anywhere near the nuclear access codes? Do we really need a Christian version of the Taliban here in America? Palin and her witch doctor would be hilarious if only so many Americans did not find these superstitions acceptable...

    • Posted By: Louisianaconserv @ 10/29/2008 4:14:24 PM

      if she wears her religion on her sleeve, why are we just learning what her religion is?

      • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/29/2008 4:40:29 PM

        I guess you would have to say that is a credit to the Obama-Biden camp for choosing not to make an issue out of it. When she first came on the scene it was exposed that she was active in a radical church, the media showed her on stage talking about her communicating with God, she has since talked about how she knows what God's will is, the church members, possibly including her, practiced hands on healing, talking in tongues and so on. Their was even exposure of some bazaar statements attributed to her and her pastor. Like I said, Obama-Bidden didn't go after that stuff and stuck to the issues.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/29/2008 4:10:42 PM

      TomK, well said!

  • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 10/29/2008 2:59:13 PM

    It is so sad to me that many of you fight viciously to protect the rights of women to abort their unborn fetuses, but can't support protection of a Christian against religious discrimination. How did this country fall to such depths in just a few generations?

    • Posted By: USAwake @ 10/29/2008 3:20:25 PM

      The Christians are getting what they deserve after centuries of intolerance, book burning, and bible thumping. You can't continuously attack everything you don't understand before the silent majority kicks you to the side; dismissing you as a fring element in an educated society. Reap what you sow. You don't scare an intelligent society with doomsday stories and fire and brimstone. Wake up! The world is not flat.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/29/2008 4:38:14 PM

        All this time I thought it was the Christians who discriminated against - everybody.

      • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 10/29/2008 3:50:00 PM

        Who is attacking whom because of a lack of understanding? Who is it that is intolerant? People of faith have been the backbone of the country since it was founded. Churches have been the principal sources of support & sustenance of the poor, the orphans, the addicted and abused. Soup kitchens are hardly intolerant of the poor, substance abuse centers don't lack empathy for the addicted, and orphanages don't shun the abandoned. There are people from all walks of life and all social mindsets that are intolerant and for you to attack Christians in this way only goes to prove my point.

        • Posted By: USAwake @ 10/29/2008 4:16:15 PM

          Witch Doctors and Bishops ised to rule societies with their fear tactics and superstitions. Like the feudal time Priest or the shaman of old, the influence of "The Church" has waned with the discovery of science and education. Imagine if heroin addicts went door to door every Saturday to spread the word of their addictions. Imagine if crackheads voted for candidates because they too were crackheads. That's exactly how the rest of us feel about your silly religions... an army of crackheads and heroin addicts getting what they want through fear and intimidation. At least heroin addicts stay out of politics! Keep your addictions to yourself.

      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 4:06:40 PM

        When you throw us to the side what will happen to all the aid we give in time and treasures. I suppose you will still want that.

  • Posted By: StevenNavy @ 10/29/2008 4:34:24 PM

    Palin belongs to a witches religion that is ok with her 16 year old daughter getting pregnant. I am not sure it don't belong to the father (the First Dude), after all incest does run wild in the wilds of Alaska. I wonder if she will name it Joe Six-pack or Joe the Plummer? Most people will refer to it as something else like for instance a B-----d.

  • Posted By: DavidBrickner @ 10/29/2008 4:31:53 PM

    Lisa Miller or her editor got it wrong when they added a parenthetical with Palin's name to my quote "I love Israel. And I support [Palin] and stand by her against all efforts to bring harm to the Jewish people." The "her" is the nation of Israel. Jews for Jesus does not endorse anyone other than Jesus, who, thankfully, does not need the endorsement of Newsweek or any other media outlets. David Brickner, exec. director, Jews for Jesus
    David Brickner,

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 10/29/2008 2:57:28 PM

    We may now juxtapose this article with the one Ramirez did elsewhere here on NEWSWEAK ['Understanding Barack Obamas Faith''],and come to understand why NEWSWEAK has become the patently biased creature it now is,engaging not in ''news'' as it is seen through an impartial lens,or ''journalism''as it applies to entities that are entrusted to deliver unvarnished commentary,but the rise of a species of propaganda machine,replete in what the AP calls ''interpretive journalism''[which now soaks its pages], partisan opinion-editorialism,and a filtering,blocking, or disseminating of information deemed unhelpful to their handpicked candidate,ideology or political party.

    ''I was ashamed to tell a stranger that I am a ''journalist''. The amount of bias we are seeing in the media is disgraceful'' Michael S. Malone,ABC NEWS,Oct.27,2008 on his webblog MSM.

    Lets face it. Miller knows no more of writing on ''religious affairs''than she does about fornicating,which may explain this:

    MOODYS/STANDARD AND POORS Oct 27,2008:''Newsweek Publishers Credit Rating Downgraded''.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/29/2008 4:22:46 PM

      Wow. You're getting as hot and dense as the other severely right extreme on these pages Mr. Holmes. Insulting the author - or assuming you have more knowledge and have done research - is cowardly. your opinions are pretty bad too - and with extreme bias.

  • Posted By: Millions of Reasons 2 @ 10/29/2008 12:49:22 PM

    Truth: Let's take a look at a real record of poor judgement. Obama is not just affiliated with pastors who fervently pray for protection, he associates himself with radicals who proclaim the most vitriolic hatefulness.

    For a more objective look at Obama's inability to make good decisions, or any decision at all, please take the time to see OBAMA's VOTING RECORD on HIS OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT WEBPAGE: http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

    What will you find?
    * Approximately 28 Instances of him giving a NEA vote
    * Approximately 47 Instances of him giving a YEA vote
    * Approximately 140 [One Hundred Forty] Instances of him NOT VOTING

    We can all agree that is a more important measure of judgment, or lack thereof.

    • Posted By: elithian @ 10/29/2008 1:36:36 PM

      tRYING TO GET RID OF me?Posted By: elithian @ 10/29/2008 12:36:03 PM
      Comment: So, why haven't you posted McCain's voting record? Are you afraid of what you will find? How about his personal record of adultry and divorce of an honest wife? was it for the money?, the sex, both? How about his association with the bad deals in the eighties. His flip flopping on the issues to get nominated? His sell out to big business and his protection of the wealthy at the expense of the middle class


      • Posted By: Millions of Reasons 2 @ 10/29/2008 4:20:36 PM

        lol,... not to leave you behind, but rather reposting with some spelling corrections...didn't mean to hurt your feelings. To catch up on your previous post,... Elithian, you are having an interesting dialectical debate with yourself, full of diabolical conspiracies and agendas. Simply stated, you seem intelligent enough to do your own research, I do not count on laziness or misinformation; that is why I included the source URL, detailing Obama's overwhelming reluctance to make a decision or put his name stamp on a position. Interestingly, when he does make decisions he often times must rescind them because he usually is trying to appease what he thinks the masses want him to say, until they say he is wrong (but though this is factual, I will try to stay away from further conjecture, considering I do not have time to give all sources here). I will say, You have quite convincingly argued that McCain regularly has shown up and has taken a stance by doing that precious thing he was sent to the Senate to do...VOTE, LEAD, and TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING WHEN A DECISION IS REQUIRED; you're right. You see, it's about leading.
        Without researching the entirety of the bills and all facts presented therein, I cannot speak to abandonment of core values; decisions & strategies adjust when facts change, yet speaking to a compromise on core values requires a full understanding of his core values and how each bill relates to them. Yet, as you have explained, he did take a stance on the issues,...leadership requires making tough decisions.
        I give some credit to Obama though, he at least decides to show up to say he's there --- "PRESENT"

  • Posted By: ecar @ 10/29/2008 4:16:48 PM

    Too bad she's not protected from gnomes, elves and werewolves. There's also credible evidence that her unicorn is ill.

  • Posted By: manof1000faces @ 10/29/2008 5:43:09 AM

    question for shalynn@.... How is it that when god almighty commanded moses to kill his son, Isaiah, as a test of his faith and loyalty to god, it was considered not as a commandment of ill will, but as a commandment of virtue and goodness? How can anyone rationally justify an act on that scale? Just about everything I have ever read in the bible is not to be taken literally. It is like a rule of thumb to live by. Spreading some sort of religeous fervor on top of political views will only make things worse than they already are. Both the republicans and the democrats are like children calling each other names and poking fun at one another. Both parties are cancer to the U.S.

    • Posted By: bswhite56 @ 10/29/2008 4:15:02 PM

      It was Abraham not Moses. God was testing his faith. Abraham didn't kill his son.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/29/2008 4:05:43 PM

    Friends, who made their presidential choice based on their religious commitment, have recently made the McCain-Palin recommendation to me and I have real difficulty understanding that. First, I think that the strong memory of what has transpired over the last eight years makes anyone???s 2000/2004 decision to support Bush-Cheney, based on their appeal to conservative Christians, highly questionable. Next, talking about ???Christian values??? amounts to more than just ???pro-life???, marriage between a man and a woman and stem-cell research ethics, to really include honesty, integrity, equitable consideration of others and responsibility in government and also should be seen as appropriate ???human values???, not just Christian. Additionally, it has always been my understanding that all religions really teach that connecting with God/Allah/Yahweh/? is only achieved through humility, by getting out of one???s self rather than being egotistically ostentatious (which is then about one???s ego rather than God). Too many times it appears that many who are running around yelling ???alleluia, alleluia, praise be to thee??? are actually just saying ???look at me, look at me, aren???t I something to see???. I???ll match my faith with anyone without ever needing to flaunt it, personally feeling that the quiet connection has the real quality and sincerity. All of that said, I really question the forthrightness of those who solicit the benefit of the religious vote based on what they say and on how religiously demonstrative they are, yet who lack honesty, integrity, compassion and humility as clearly demonstrated in what has transpired over the last eight years, and in their supporting that and now in how they conduct themselves when campaigning. Once considering these things, I then have no hesitation in giving Obama and Bidden credit for their superior conduct and more convincing faith orientated consciences and feel that when I vote for them, I won???t be co-responsible for ???more of the same???.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/29/2008 4:02:23 PM


    Palin is a personification of the Republican Party today and clearly represents its problems. Arrogant, aggressive, self-focused, grossly dishonest, boldly out of touch and focused on benefit for a few while neglecting the majority - ie, irresponsible and self-indulgent without a conscience! Hopefully the Republican Party can regroup, move more towards center, more towards representing all of the people and not just depending on subterfuge, manipulation and scare/slander tactics

  • Posted By: xargaw @ 10/29/2008 1:19:04 PM

    It doesn't concern to much what theology Palin believes. People all over the world believe in things that I find to be bizare. What bothers me is that people like Palin are zealots that have no room in their hearts and minds for people that believe differently. The hold their certainly above reason, tolerance, inclusiveness or compromise. Everything in their lives is rooted from their faith and they use it to justify the least admirable traits of human behavior antiethical to all forms of Christianity.

    • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 10/29/2008 1:34:17 PM

      In at least two interviews that I have seen, Palin has said that her religion is important to her but she does not wear it on her sleeve or try to force religion on anyone. She is not the one that continually brings up her religion. Have you once heard her say "God Damn America" or say that Americans deserved to die or spewing hatred at an entire race of people? Rev. Wright did many times while Obama was a member of his congregation. Which do you believe to be more dangerous and detrimental to this country?

      • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 10/29/2008 4:02:01 PM

        I am simply comparing Palin's relationship to her church with the relationship of Obama to his. That is an entirely fair comparison given that this article opened up that can of worms. If the liberal rules apply to all, then Palin would in no way be responsible for ANYTHING that was said or done in her church than Obama has been for the outrageous actions that have taken place in his.

      • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 10/29/2008 2:03:52 PM

        Obama has never said "god damn america," and Rev. Wright is not running for office, so I'm not sure why your question is relevant.

        • Posted By: not-fooled-by-slick-talking-charlatans @ 10/29/2008 2:48:50 PM

          Comparing Palin ( who could become President if McCain wins) to Rev. Wright (who is not running for federal office) is entirely irrelevent. 4astrongamerica is pulling at straws in a desperate attempt to have a clue.

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 2:30:58 PM

          But he took his children to hear such hatred. That would be like Palin taking her children to a KKK Rally.

  • Posted By: kgirl2d @ 10/29/2008 12:43:41 PM

    Great. The rise of the Pentacostals can be likened to the rise of extremist groups in other religions(Islam for ex.). This is not a positive for Mrs. Palin or for our Country.

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 12:57:02 PM

      Name me one building that the pentacostal blew up.

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/29/2008 2:13:07 PM

        doesnt have to be pentecoastals...i seem to remember things like abortion clinics being blown up or attacked, black churches and schools being bombed and burned to the ground, burning crosses in peoples yards, hanging people for the color of they're skin, and our wonderful "nation under god" killing and beating and seperating people for the color of they're skin, all in the name of the good lord and the good book...just as some examples...

        much of which was done by crazed religious fanatics with a whole heap of hate in they're hearts for no good reason...

        maybe pentecoastals havent blown anything up, but right wing ultra conservative CHRISTIAN radicals have...

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 2:52:20 PM

          So what do you then think of Bill Ayers?

          • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/29/2008 3:40:58 PM

            i think bill ayers WAS a terrorist...i think and know obama was 8 yrs old when ayers commited his crimes that our political system let him get away with...during a republican administration no less...

            next....

      • Posted By: troyola @ 10/29/2008 1:19:33 PM

        the islamic religion didnt blow up any buildings. just like you have people who claim to be christian doing the devils work you have people who claim to be muslim doing the devils work. catholic priests are always getting caught molesting young boys do we judge every catholic man by that. i guess you cant help being ingnorant but you can help being a hypocrite

      • Posted By: elithian @ 10/29/2008 1:04:40 PM

        The building of common sense:P

  • Posted By: stankiguru @ 10/29/2008 2:25:43 PM

    Palin is right in making Jesus centre of her life.No achievement or success will bring peace or joy if it has not come as a result of prayers_To the Living God,creator of heaven and earth

    • Posted By: Freemasion33 @ 10/29/2008 2:42:51 PM

      what about hard work and discipline???

      • Posted By: Falalalala08 @ 10/29/2008 3:39:31 PM

        Jesus said its by faith alone, works get you nowhere--where would you define the line? Good works should come out of obedience, naturally from your faith.

  • Posted By: Ohio Democrat @ 10/29/2008 2:50:04 PM

    Can you believe in 2008 we are still discriminating against people based on religion, creed, etc? In a couple of thousand years we don't seem to have moved very much at all. The entire Christian religion was devised by Peter & Paul, Jesus died a Jew. As a fellow Jew, even though I don't believe he was the Messiah, if he truly comes back some day, all you Christians will be in BIG BIG trouble for all the horrible things you have done to other "non-believers" in his name. I get a good belly laugh at all this End of Days scenario. Hell was not described by Jesus as Peter & Paul created - a place where purgatory existed or people will burn. Jesus believed in the Jewish version of Hell. The whole anti-Christ and Armegeddon BS was made up out of whole cloth as well.

    Count me as a non-believer, but all those right wing Christian evangelicals will be in for a HUGE surprise when their fairy tale never comes true. What does really irritate me is the complicity of all those Jewish neo-cons willing to conspire with the crazy right wing Christian evangelicals. The evagelicals only want to help adance Israel and Jewish causes to satisfy the End of Days need to get all the Jews back to Israel. With all the technological advances we have made in the last 2,000 years, this is what governs our politicians? More hocus-pocus? Palin is only the standard bearer of this craziness because she is telegenic, has a decent figure and a face that is neither too ugly nor too pretty. Enough already!

    • Posted By: Steel127 @ 10/29/2008 3:02:37 PM

      My non-believing friend, Satan has you right where he wants you. My money says that you will be the one that is surprised.

      • Posted By: Naples823 @ 10/29/2008 3:34:28 PM

        Did Satan tell you this during your last conversation with him/her?

    • Posted By: Steel127 @ 10/29/2008 3:06:25 PM

      My non-believing friend, Satan has you exactly where he wants you. My money says that you will be the one that is surprised!!

  • Posted By: JJMizzou @ 10/29/2008 12:19:40 PM

    It must be easy writing an article primarily based on YouTube clips. Anywhoo, I'm starting to understand the biased mainstream bias. If Newsweek can assume that Palin believes wholeheartedly everything ministers at her church do or say, then they must hold Obama to the same standard. They won't, but fortunately there are bloggers who are more competent reporters than the mainstream media.

    Palin
    - Believes in speaking in tongues
    - Believes witches exist
    - Believes that God protects and loves America

    Now remember, Newsweek is assuming these candidates believe all their spiritual mentors express
    Obama
    - Believes that whites suppress blacks
    - Believe that whites should be punished
    - Believes Louis Farakhan is a heroic figure
    - Believes Jews should be persecuted, perhaps even destroyed (see Louis Farakhan)
    - Believes the government invented the aids virus, then released it to black communities
    - Believes that America is an evil empire, and sympathize with terrorists ("chickens coming home to roost")
    - Believes there is no reconiliation between races, inspiring further racism amongst communities

    I'm just using the analogy of Newsweek. Thank you Newsweek- You've put it all into perspective for us. I just took the journalistic steps that you've refused to. Thank God for bloggers who will get to the bottom of these issues. We all know the mainstream media won't.

    • Posted By: elithian @ 10/29/2008 12:31:30 PM

      Yes, this is good propaganda. You try and twist an argument and make false statements knowing some idiot will believe you. well, America is tired of being lied to, sold out, cheated, and destroyed by greedy unscrupulous thieves hiding behind the curtains of a corrupt administration and an even more corrupt politcal party.

      • Posted By: JJMizzou @ 10/29/2008 1:04:33 PM

        Elithean - You must enjoy my postings. My previous one explained how our media is pushing propoganda. You obviously do not know what propoganda is. It can't be given by a blogger. Propoganda is an unobjectivity of the mainstream media to push an idea or public opinion. Those of us who graduated grade school understand this.
        I am not the mainstream media, so I cannot push propoganda. I am a blogger, a single voice who doesn't care to have his opinions shaped by the mighty media. But nice try, you're just defending your guy Obama. Nothing wrong with that, but you should at least try to understand the discussion.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/29/2008 1:33:47 PM

          Do you mean propaganda?

          • Posted By: JJMizzou @ 10/29/2008 3:27:20 PM

            You know you've got too much time on your hands when you become the "official spell-checker" on a blog site. You did make me laugh a bit though.

      • Posted By: JJMizzou @ 10/29/2008 12:48:49 PM

        Hmmm...I just used the same connectivity that Newsweek did. How do you know what the truth is, if its not being objective to both sides of the argument. UNLESS, you just can't handle the truth.

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 10/29/2008 2:15:53 AM

    To LoriW: Couldn't agree with you more. If we are concerned about VPs, one should look into the tax records.
    Biden made $319, 883, and paid zero. Palin made $166,080 and paid $2,017 to the IRS. Who is the fat cat here.

    • Posted By: jasonmartin @ 10/29/2008 3:19:39 PM

      Jesus I made about $160 K last year and paid a hell of a lot more than a couple of grand in taxes. If thats all Palin and the first dude paid they should be audited.

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/29/2008 3:02:52 AM

      Palin, who received a per diem at taxpayer expense while sitting at home with her kids.

      • Posted By: crusader*mom @ 10/29/2008 4:02:30 AM

        Please. A woman like that is not just sitting at home with her kids. I run a very successful busines from home and work harder than most people at their 9to5.

  • Posted By: Palin who? @ 10/29/2008 1:53:13 PM

    For the 24% or so of you out there that are still supporting Bush, and I imagine supporting McCain in this election, remember a very good quote from Voltaire: "It is dangerous to be right, when the government is wrong" The government has been wrong since Dubbya crawled out of mommy and daddy's house and stepped onto the stage....McCain is more intelligent, however policy's will not change much. You think the recession we are in now is bad, give Bush/McCain 4 more years and see where we are then, fathoms worse off than we are now.

    • Posted By: Louisianaconserv @ 10/29/2008 2:30:59 PM

      Where are you getting your info from? All anyone has to do is research for themselves and read bills that have been presented before house/senate/congress over the last years and who has presented them and who voted for and against them and you would see that Bush tried many times put restraints on Fannie and Freddie and to stop the every thing from happening that is happening with the economy now. He saw it coming and so did McCain and Congress rejected it every time. You can see these votes, these documents. It's public record. You can see that McCain and other tried to stop this and that Obama did nothing but assist in holding them off while he was receiving huge money from Freddie and Fannie. It's all documented. If you don't read these things, where are you getting your info? Are you guessing it's because of Bush that we are in this mess or are you just mindlessly believing everything Obama supporter are tellling you? Hello!!! Can anyone here at least agree with me that people lie and that actually doing the research and reading for yourself is better than just turning your brain off and believing what people tell you? You all seem very intelligent. Find out for yourselves.

      • Posted By: Palin who? @ 10/29/2008 2:42:33 PM

        Please, entertain me....show me specific documentation that Bush signed legislation or did anything to stop these giants from ruining the economy. How can you say with a straight face that after having a surplus with Clinton, that we are now in the worse shape since the Great Depression??? Being from the south I'm sure you are already biased to be for Bush, but come on...just because O'bama wants to take some money back from the super wealthy that have been getting tax cuts the last 8 years...and don't give me the crap that that's a good thing b/c when the super rich spend money that creates jobs....certainly has not worked thus far.

        • Posted By: Louisianaconserv @ 10/29/2008 3:11:36 PM

          We are in a deficit because the government has been spending and spending, all of them, from Bush to ear marks and ridiculous things like the 1.5 million (not sure that's the correct number) overhead projector Obama asked for.

          You can go to Senate.gov for starters, but be careful not to just look at the summary of the bills. You may need to take the time to read the entire bills themselves, which unfortunately not all are available there, but some are. Regardless, the reason I say be careful is because it may look like someone voted no for something they should have voted yes to, but for example, one bill McCain opposed (I think with regard to money for troops, if memory serves correctly), had tons of other crap in it giving money to ridiculous organizatons, etc. so he voted no on that one and voted yes later when some of that was taken out. McCain said in the debates many times, just look at our records and you will see who is being truthful and who is not.

          I did look at many many websites showing some of these public records so I will go back and find the others for you soon. And i didn't say Bush signed legislation, I said he presented legislation to stop these giants and congress (democratic controlled) voted against it - MORE THAN ONCE.

          And I have no problem with Clinton, but if anyone here who is in the middle class will think back, you may recall that your income taxes were higher under Clinton and lower under Bush. That info is also available online. When Bush was in office, taxes on all middle class were lowered and he increased the child tax credit. When Obama's ads say Bush did nothing for the middle class, that is a LIE - and that is clear as day if you would just do your homework, you would see that. All of this is public record and on the internet on reliable websites.

  • Posted By: grandma12happy @ 10/29/2008 12:13:55 PM

    Why does the media feel the need to critize Sarah Palin? Is it because she is someone they feel threatened by? She is a very articulate and knowledgeable person. If the Media would shut their mouths long enough to listen they might learn something.

    • Posted By: Naples823 @ 10/29/2008 12:21:20 PM

      Palin is articulate and knowledgable? Either you're trying to be funny or your standards are extremely lower than what they should be when considering someone who could potentially be the leader of our country.

      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 12:35:03 PM

        Or maybe you are just closed minded and don't see reality.

        • Posted By: Naples823 @ 10/29/2008 12:56:10 PM

          Closed minded would be not accepting the fact that she is not knowledgeable when it comes to matters important to being President of the United States. It is not a matter of opinion. You either are or you're not & she's admitted to not having sufficient knowledge on national television. So think about who's mind is really closed on this one.

          • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 3:08:05 PM

            I don't agree with your conclusions.

    • Posted By: elithian @ 10/29/2008 12:18:17 PM

      Because she is a hypocritical geek? Isn't it obvious?

  • Posted By: the right answer @ 10/29/2008 12:25:16 PM

    Part 3 of 3
    Some religious believers ??? and many of their critics ??? often use the term "faith" as the affirmation of belief without an ongoing test of evidence. In this sense faith refers to belief beyond evidence or logical arguments, sometimes called "implicit faith." Another form of this kind of faith is fideism: one ought to believe that God exists, but one should not base that belief on any other beliefs; one should, instead, accept it without any reasons at all. "Faith" in this sense, belief for the sake of believing, is often associated with Søren Kierkegaard's Fear and Trembling and some other existentialist religious thinkers.

    Faith as Religious belief, has been advanced as being desirable, for example for emotional reasons or to regulate society, and this can be seen as ???positive??? when it has 'benign??? effects. However, rationalists may become alarmed that faithful activists, perhaps with extreme beliefs, might not be amenable to argument or to negotiation over their behavior.

    Superstition (Latin superstitio, literally "standing over"; derived perhaps from standing in awe; used in Latin as a unreasonable or excessive belief in fear or magic, especially foreign or fantastical ideas, and thus came to mean a "cult" in the Roman empire) is a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge. The word is often used pejoratively to refer to supposedly irrational beliefs of others, and its precise meaning is therefore subjective. It is commonly applied to beliefs and practices surrounding luck, prophecy and spiritual beings.

    To medieval scholars the word was applied to and beliefs outside of or in opposition to Christianity; today it is applied to conceptions without foundation in, or in contravention of, scientific and logical knowledge.))

    My conclusion would be the question on Palin(or any other candidate)'s religious belief is relevant and church and state must be kept seperate.

    Ideally, I want a leader who would use the scientific method in addressing all matters of governmental decisions as opposed to someone who lazily made decisions based upon faith, astrology or tea leaves. Acquire knowledge and use it!

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 12:41:45 PM

      One regime big into scientific methods - Nazi Germany.

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/29/2008 1:15:33 PM

        are you saying hes a nazi?? or has nazi beliefs? that he wishes for mass genocide and an aryan race? why do you say such things...hes talking about THE scientific method...not torturous science...THATS what nazi germany used...or are you a WWII/germany political machine expert as well as a small business owner (operating 80hrs a week) as well as an avid volunteer for charities, as well as a protastant and religious scholar, and a proudmom? your amazing i must say...and you have time during your busy 80hr operating work week to post all over newsweek all day long? wow...your truly are saint you know that...you should not be proudmom...you should be superdupermom...your everywhere and everything all at once...truly awe inspiring...american hero...i would give you a gold medal if i could...

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 2:58:53 PM

          No I'm saying that an example of a country who had a scientific approach without religion was Nazi Germany. Talk about reading into one comment so much bull. Delusional.

      • Posted By: Mrs Thomas @ 10/29/2008 2:02:14 PM

        Scientific method, huh? Theory is better than fact, is that what you are saying.
        You might as well toss bones .......

      • Posted By: the right answer @ 10/29/2008 1:08:55 PM

        Why don't you join me in prayer. Dear God, please protect me from your dim-witted followers who would seek to hide knowledge and progress under the guise of your name.

  • Posted By: ECIGuy @ 10/29/2008 9:53:26 AM

    Separation of Church and State. Simple quesiton: Are you for it? Or against it? It is one of the fundamental principles this nation was founded on. It is in our Constitution. Freedom of religion. Freedom to practice individual beliefs. And, just as important, freedom from having religious values/beliefs influencing public policy.

    The United States is not a Christian nation. It is not a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; or a nation defined by any other specific belief set. It is a secular nation made up of people whose religious beliefs run the gamut from belief in a variety of somethings to belief in nothing at all. Thus, it is relevant and important to examine how our leaders/candidates may, or may not, take their personal beliefs into account when making decisions that affect each and every citizen. These decisions must be based solely on common, humanistic moralities. Otherwise, we are no longer the America we were founded as.

    Nowhere in this article was there a disparaging remark about Sarah Palin's personal beliefs. Simply a statement of fact concerning their nature, and the question: "What if...?" Not asking such questions would be doing every American a disservice. Mr. Obama has certainly had his religious and church affiliations scrutinized heavily. I ask you, those who are expressing outrage and disgust with this piece, why was it OK when it was Obama, but it's not appropriate when it's your candidate?

    • Posted By: MeLizzard2 @ 10/29/2008 10:27:21 AM

      Nowhere in the Constitution is anything about "separation of church and state". You'll have to look elsewhere for that reference. It's my right to worship in any way I choose without fear of attack, but no one can account for rude idiots who bash others.

      • Posted By: ECIGuy @ 10/29/2008 2:58:10 PM

        Sorry MeLizzard, but I have to educate:
        "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." This is the very first passage of the First Ammendment. It is commonly referred to as the Establishment Clause and its meaning is, in a nutshell, to prohibit the establishment of a national religion by Congress, as well as the preference of one religion over another.

        So separation of church and state is, in fact, in our constitution. Here's a link to the First Amendment in case you'd like to see for yourself. http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am1.html.

        Oh, and I concur 100% with you on the second part of your post, which is also outlined in the First Amendment. I fully support your right to practice whatever religion you choose.

    • Posted By: BeccaR @ 10/29/2008 11:04:33 AM

      Very well said!!

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