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  • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/29/2008 4:19:35 PM

    "Woe to those who call evil good and call good evil". How proud your master must be of you today. Keep up the good work........your reward awaits you.

    • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/29/2008 4:45:34 PM

      oh well by your judgment people like me will have a nice cozy corner by Satan's side... Ah well if it comes to that at least I'd be happy to roll you around in the fire...

      If I sounded fanatical and stupid I did it only to show how your words are stupid...

      Cheerio buddy!!

      • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/29/2008 8:44:02 PM

        Well, I guess you told me. God Bless you anyway, Mr. DarkAngel.

        • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/30/2008 4:23:57 AM

          May I ask you one question? Which book should I believe: Buddha's Teachings? Your Bible? The Qu'ran? The Hebrew Bible? The myriad churches of America? Who? You just tell me... Everyone out there is trying to sell their truth... It's kinda confusing... I'm agnostic, meaning that there may be some sort of Intelligence but we just don't know what it is and have no proof of its supposed love... Just writings which can be labelled as fiction just as Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code is..

          • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/30/2008 11:11:09 AM

            You know, Mr. Dark Angel, I like you....you know what you believe and you adamently defend it! So, if you will grant me the same I would appreciate it. I'm not selling my truth...the price has already been paid for me and you....it's a free gift (Romans 6:23). I choose to believe The One who offers me a hope and a future and Who gave me the discernment and free will to make that choice. Search out The Truth (John 8:32) and He will show you The Way. Oh yeah, the smurf comment was just a joke for ya....God Bless and I hope you will find The Answer you are searching for. By the way, sorry for all the harsh comments that some of my so-called christians are making to others. This is one reason we as Christians are viewed the way we are in the world.

            • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/30/2008 1:29:22 PM

              I don't know if you have read Stephen King's The Dark Tower... I think of myself as Roland, ever wandering, an outcast in search of the fabled Dark Tower... Hence 'Azrael' who was an Outcast Angel... What people fail to see is that I actually care, I take an interest in things and want to find about this Truth for myself, not what someone else tells me... 'Faith' is supposed to be personal I think... About the smurf comment, well it irked me at first but I see the funny side now lol... You did not need to apologise on the ???so-called Christians??? behalf, you seem like a decent, genuine person though I appreciate all the same??? I live in a staunch Roman Catholic country, you can imagine the *** I get all the time for being an ???infidel???, an unbeliever??? It is very un-Christian of them as I guess you would see it but there are too many hypocrites out there??? The trouble with Christianity is that it is too fragmented into factions, each faction of Mannifolk (a slang for Christians) trying to interpret the Man-Jesus??? words???

              • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/30/2008 3:05:33 PM

                You know, you have hit the nail on the head Mr. AzraelDarkAngel540..Christians have a way of making others who do not think the way we do feel like outcasts. Some of my best friends are gay, of different religions and yes, of different political parties but I still love them all and do my best to make them feel loved. Jesus did not alienate Himself from the unbeliever and neither will I. While I do still pray for them daily to My God (Jehovah) I do my best to live my life according to my beliefs so that they may see a Living God through me. I am careful not to judge them (not my place but God???s) b/c I have not always believed as I do now. You are also right to search for this Truth yourself. You should never believe what anyone tells you to be fact without searching it out for yourself and trusting your heart. Faith is personal. When it comes down to the term religion, I hate it. To me, believe with me or not, it???s all about a personal relationship with My God??????and I will love you just the same!

                • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/30/2008 7:47:06 PM

                  My friends include atheists, agnostic like myself, Christians, Muslims, Satanists, you name it! I try not to be judgmental although at times I slip.. I wish there were more people like you here... The trouble with this world is that no one seems to mind his own business first.. What I mean is try to better yourself before bettering the world.. If anyone did this then the world would be better on its own.. But no! There has to be people out there who want to put their finger, if not their whole hand in the pie, trying to make othres do what they want..

                  • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/30/2008 9:03:37 PM

                    One day you will make a great Pastor My Friend, Mr. Dark Angel. You already have your first sermon....better yourself before trying to better the world. There is scripture to back this up in place already. Unfortunately most try to get the speck out of his brothers eyes before removing the Red Oak from his. Maybe one day I will be "blogging" with my new friend Mr, Light Angel.....lol. Can you add to your list of friends a good ole southern girl who holds to her guns and religion?

                    • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 11/01/2008 6:35:28 AM

                      haha thanks for your confidence but actually I have no intention of becoming a priest.. I want to enjoy my life at the moment, then maybe, 'maybe' find a girl I may fall in love with after I publish my cycle of books Herald of the Apocalypse... You're welcome dear to be my friend :-) My email is heraldoftheapocalypse@hotmail.com if you wanna add me and chat up a bit :-)

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 10/31/2008 11:07:04 PM


    Study finds Media has Betray Trust of American People
    Newsweek Article:
    Study: Media coverage has favored Obama campaign
    Study finds comments on evening newscasts over the past two months favored the Obama campaign

    "For whatever reason, the media are portraying Barack Obama as a better choice for president than John McCain," said Robert Lichter, a George Mason University professor and head of the center. "If you watch the evening news, you'd think you should vote for Obama."

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/165218

    "A former Newsweek reporter admitted in an article this week that he has no objectivity and imagined disabling Rudy Giuliani so he wouldn't run in the presidential primary race last year.
    Michael Hastings wrote in GQ magazine that he had a "recurring fantasy" that he could somehow stop the former New York City mayor in his tracks.
    "I quickly realized Rudy was a maniac. I had a recurring fantasy in which I took him out during a press conference (it was nonlethal, just something that put him out of commission for a year or so), saving America from the horror of a President Giuliani. If that sounds like I had some trouble being 'objective,' I did. Objectivity is a fallacy," he said."

    http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_7484&pageNum=2

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash

    55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign Cash

    http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp

    Pew Research finds Media Credibility Plummets, Just 30% Believe 'Most Trusted' CNN

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama
    51% Say Reporters Are Trying To Hurt Palin; 39% Say She Has Better Experience Than Obama


    Add to that The ugly side of Big Brother Socialism from the Obama Campaign: Media Blackmail
    October 31, 2008 12:27 PM ABC Reports:
    The Obama campaign has told three reporters they have to drop off the campaign plane this weekend. All three work for papers that endorsed Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.: the New York Post, the Washington Times, and the Dallas Morning News.
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/citing-space-co.html

    Barack Obama's campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported .
    "This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best for the duration of the remaining days until the election," wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign, according to the Sentinel.
    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entert

  • Posted By: wendydk @ 10/31/2008 11:02:35 PM

    How to bring down a democracy: the steps toward totalitarian rule, in the order followed by Hitler and the Nazi Party SEE IF THEY SOUND FAMILIAR.

    1. Improvise an attack (or take advantage of an attack) on the country
    2. Declare the country under attack by an enemy; real or improvised
    3. Force legislation that limits civil liberties and gathers broad powers unto government
    4. Brand dissenters and peacemakers as unpatriotic and browbeat them into submission
    5. Keep the fear factor high to make the public easier to manage
    6. Institute massive propaganda campaigns using state-controlled no-longer-free media and fear of government retribution
    7. Law enforcement and government personnel are used to spy on, control and break dissent 7. Institute the equivalent of a national homeland security department, overseen by one person with unlimited powers
    8. Confiscate all firearms from the citizenry
    9. Institute the mass murder and imprisonment of any who resist the new ideology.
    10. Launch pre-emptive strikes into other countries in an attempt to spread the new ideology

    Sound familiar? It should, its not only the direct path of Hitlers rise to power, but also parallels the events starting with and following 9/11. President Bush was very familiar with the game plan, as his Grandfather and his Grandfathers father-in-law were supporters of Hitler and Nazism, both before and after the war.

    Of course, theyve skipped a couple of the items on the list, but theyll get to them if theyre allowed to remain in power, because it will be the only way for them to retain power.

    The Reichstag Fire: the funeral pyre of German democracy parallels 9/11 and the loss of American civil liberties

    http://www.essortment.com/all/nazireichstag_rghx.htm

    THE BEST REASON TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA THIS ELECTION YEAR

  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 3:51:02 PM

    Since Pia has claimed I am a racist, please feel free everyone to go and try and find any racist post sI have ever made. You will find none. Then maybe she will be seen for what she really is. Watch out these people keep lists of anyone they don't like and then lie about them. Slandering others is really low. Is this the change we really want Obama to bring in?

    • Posted By: Conservative-Liberal @ 10/31/2008 5:36:46 PM

      Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 3:51:02 PM

      Comment: You're all CRAZY!!! The 200m freestyle is a far superior race, especially compared to the likes of the 50m hurdles!!!

      hehe, sorry, couldn't resist ... and after looking over several posts, I think you're both guilty of slander :-p
      now say you're sorry and get back to the topic ... like my grandmother used to say "fight nice."

      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 6:09:27 PM

        I have reviewed my comments, and I did not see any slanderous ones made by me. As my grandmother always said - when someone lies about me it gets my dander up. I do not condone nor practice racism. As one of my co-workers said when I told them of this ridiculous post "that they have never heard me utter a racist comment in the 20 plus years we have worked together. Calling people names like racist are a way of attempting to silence any voice but their own. What a world. Pia is right. I have not been blogging long and if this is how people treat each other here I was been better off. not.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/31/2008 11:01:01 PM

          My reply to this is above. End of discussion.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/31/2008 10:32:36 PM

      paproudmom, I never posted that you are a racist. I don't know you and I have not seen any racist comments of yours. I posted that Ask Plus in his post to you last evening, placed you on the list of those who start trouble and who make racist comments. Go back and read that post and you will see who they are. You start trouble when you post to other bloggers comments that you don't agree with. We all have the right to express our opinion, don't you agree? You have criticized my comments when they were not even directed at you..in fact I can't think of any occasion when I have actually initiated a single discussion with you. I never have as I have had no interest and nothing to say to you. You have also attacked Nins, who again, has a right to express her opinion just as much as you do. In conclusion, although you instigated this when I defended Nins last night, I will offer you my apology because I like to keep the peace.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/30/2008 2:13:15 PM

    Honestly, looking at McCain and Obama objectively (without any party affiliation or any racism) I really can't see why anybody would vote for McCain. Obama has offered a much more coherent plan to get America out of the economic disaster we are in.

    Right now, most people are anxious about the economy, fearing the worst but hoping for the best.

    Reality check: within 18 months YOU could be standing in a bread line. That's how bad it really is. And Obama will work actively to prevent this short term, as well as make us strong again long term. As much as I like McCain and admire his patriotism, he really is not up for the job, not now with the global markets falling apart.


    Obama's economic plan can be found at:

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/index.php

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/30/2008 2:22:53 PM

      I really don't ever remember seeing an objective post from you. That is your right. You can hold any opinion that you care to. Just don't try to pretend that you opinion is objective. It is not - you are a partisan. You see everything through your biased filter. That is why you cannot possibly conceive of any other opinion but your own. I am for McCain, while I do not agree with your opinions I understand that you have the right to see things different. Constantly congratulating each other on rude postings where you put others down is really not helping a civil discourse. Few will be swayed by you towards Obama with these attitudes. The same can be said of others on the McCain side who by their either rude or ignorant postings turn others off to their candidate.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 2:46:54 PM

        How can Nins be partisan when she is a Repubican supporting Obama?

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/30/2008 3:00:32 PM

          Partisan is a state of mind. As defined - one who takes the part of another. You are confusing partisan with party affiliation. Someone could be registered with one party and then change their views and in reality be partisan for another parties viewpoints. By her postings this is obvious.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 8:31:46 PM

            Nins can post her opinions the same way you do here and you sure do a lot of it!

            • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 6:40:04 AM

              I would challenge any one to go on the blogs and count the number of postings I have had versus the number PIA's posts.. I guess PIA you can post more because basically all you do for the most part is call people names and having very childish comments. I am sure I will get many attacks for daring to voice my opinion because that is what you and your tag team do. In no way would these posts encourage people to vote for Obama. If that is your purpose I believe you might want to tone it back somewhat. If he is everything you claim he is then he'd probably be angry that his supporters are carrying on like this. It gives him a bad name. When you respond on these blogs it is easy to forget you are talking to a human being. I doubt most of you would say what you say here if you were personally talking to another. Maybe that should be the standard to be set. If you would not say it to someone's face then don't say it. I suspect that would be to mature for many here. I know what I see on these blogs is in no way the CHANGE this country needs. We can not pull together and solve problems if this is the level of discourse.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/31/2008 2:44:01 PM

                I'm going to keep this short because I don't have a bone to pick with you because I don't know you nor care to....you have been here how long, a few weeks? I don't recall you before then...so here goes.. 1) I don't call people names unless they attack me, my candidate and fellow supporters, then I retaliate. 2) My comments are not childish..you no like, skip over them. 3) this is a political site for OPINIONS. this si what we do here... Dems criticize the Rep candidates, the Reps criticize the Dem candidates....you no like, don't read, don't come here. 4) You have nerve criticizing Nins and I both..this is freedom of speech for everyone
                here, not only you. You wantr to air your opinions but resent anyone else doing the same. I think you are the one who is childish. Goodbye and good luck, by your attitude, you will need it.

                PS sorry my post was longer than intended.

                • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 3:46:59 PM

                  I rest my case you show what your are in this one and your other ones. I have a lot of nerve. Sorry this is a free country and not everyone is going to like your air-headed opinions.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/31/2008 10:56:43 PM

                    No, not everyone is going to like my opinion and I accept that. This is how it is here on this site, we all voice our opinion because it is freedom of speech. You accuse me of having I posted bad comments. What have I posted that was so bad? Perhaps I have called Sarah Palin a dummy a couple of times or McCain a wife cheater or I called a poster ignorant.... Can you actually point out to me the bad things I have posted because I honestly don't recall them.
                    As for your accusation of what I am, what am I? You don't know me.

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:01:32 PM

            And what is the problem with that? Nins has made her decision. Should she be ashamed to speak of it?

            • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/30/2008 4:17:25 PM

              You did not read my post obviously. She was claiming to be objective. I was pointing out she was not. Certainly is her right to have whatever opinion she wants.

              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:31:44 PM

                Sure she's being objective. Let's look at a few objective facts:

                1. McCain's voting record matches Bush's agenda 95% of the time.

                2. Bush's agenda has left us with twice the debt he started with. That's a big failure, in any objective sense.

                3. McCain has run over 90% of his ads negative. That means he really only has something to say about HIS policies less than 10% of the time. Reason? See #1 & #2.

                4. Sarah Palin has been censured for abuse of power. She can't say enough nice things about Rev Muthee, a man who objectively made his name by ruining the lives of single women in Kenya for his own benefit.

                McCain is nothing more than a continuation of the failed policies of Bush, with the added bonus of a religious freak as a VP.

                • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 7:20:55 PM

                  Howl, you're howling. and you're spinning. Like a top. Both candidates run negative ads. McCain's is nowhere near 90 percent. Palin didn't abuse her power as Gov. The assho!l she fired should have instantly fired the so-called trooper for tasering a 10 year old and for drunk driving. Apparently, you, along with the "panel" that found Palin had abused her power, agree that it's okay to taser children and drive drunk. In the end, she broke no laws and acted within her authority.

                  Yes, and you're about as objective as left wing extremist askplus.

                • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/30/2008 5:28:42 PM

                  Pretty objective.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/30/2008 5:27:28 PM

        And all this time I thought you were the partisan, name-calling, bully. Must be every one's imagination. Why is it you guys don't correct HolyRoller, Icyeyes, Concerned Canadian, daytrader and the rest? Unless of course you believe and feel what they post.

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 9:49:35 AM

          I am supposed to be impressed by this?

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/31/2008 2:50:57 PM

            Yes, listent to Ask Plus, he's the expert who has placed you on the list with all the other undesirable bloggers who are known for causing trouble and are known for having made racist comments..

            • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 3:44:00 PM

              You lady and Ask Plus are terrible liars. I defy you to find one post where I have made any racist statements. I will tell you one thing. This kind of trashing of others is beyond contempt. I also would like a list of any posts were I said anything that could be worse than what you all routinely post. Is this the type of smear jobs we can expect when Obama comes into office. Most likely. Watch out everyone here they come!

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/31/2008 10:46:12 PM

                Paproudmom, we are not liars. We have been here for 8 months, we are experienced. Also, I did not say you are a racist! I said that the names Ask Plus pointed out to you in his comments to you, are of posters who are troublemakers or have made racist comments.

        • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 9:46:19 AM

          Nonsense. Enough said.

  • Posted By: Conservative-Liberal @ 10/30/2008 10:55:33 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NK2sFJebGc

    Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the Alaska Independence party confirming that Sarah Palin was once a member of the AIP. The clip is long, you can skip to 6:00 in to hear the reference to Palin.


    "Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There's a joke, she's a pretty good looking gal, there's a joke goes around we're the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town -- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -- she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won't go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

    Clark goes on to talk about the need for AIP members to "infiltrate the major political parties".

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/31/2008 1:19:55 AM




      Sarah Palin has never registered, but has spoke in front of the group like she does with all organizations that have conferences on behalf of the state of Alaska as its Governor.

      Todd, Palin was registered, but only to attend a conference at one time (see below)

      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

      RE: The Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)

      UPDATE September 3, 2008 Noon ADT

      FYI:

      It has been brought to our attention that there is a COUNTERFEIT SITE now up on the net. This site is a FRAUD and has infringed our copyright. We are presently seeking legal recourse.

      * Candidate GOVERNOR Sarah Palin was NEVER a member of our party.

      * TODD Palin was registered as a MEMBER, BUT NEVER PARTICIPATED in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.

      We had SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE ATTEND THAT CONVENTION and NOTHING OF NOTEWORTHY STATUS TOOK PLACE outside of nominating the most conservative candidate up to that date to ever run for Governor of Alaska. That candidate was the sitting Lt. Governor, Jack Coghill. This man was one of the authors and signers of the Constitution of the State of Alaska.

      Still have questions? Contact Lynette Clark, AIP Chair. A link is available on the AIP site to dispatch an email if you so desire to.

      - The Alaskan Independence Party

      http://www.akip.org/


      • Posted By: Conservative-Liberal @ 10/31/2008 5:22:01 PM

        As I said in another comment, in August I was still considering McCain ... on Sept 2nd, I did some searching on Palin, one link took me to AIP's site ... and I found several postings regarding her past membership and current dealings with the party ... less than a week later, the letter from the chairperson you mentioned was the only thing that could be found, making me think maybe I had misread something ... still, it seemed odd that even the mere mention of her speaking at their conventions seemed to have disappeared with the exception of the comment in that same letter ... did you take the time to go listen to Dexter Clark's speech? The paragraph posted above this is directly from that speech ... changing a website is easy, but uncut video is a hard fact to dispute. The speech also gives some insight into their movement, they make sense for where they are and what they want (although having their founder being born and raised in Kansas makes you wonder how he could say "I'm an Alaskan, not an American.") One thing that can't be argued (especially since they admit to it), they're exceptionally anti-American ... I don't think we could afford to have someone from their party in the White House ... House of Representatives or Senate maybe, but no higher. Sorry

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/30/2008 11:06:40 PM

      For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news...

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html

      McCain Financially supporterd Khalidi and is now trying to tie Obama to Khalidi, though McCain himself was Closely tied to the Palestenian and backed him withover 400,000 $$$
      ------------------------------------


      The McCain camp gambit comes after conservative writers have repeatedly pressed for media outlets to write about the rather tenuous connections between Obama and Khalidi, an outspoken advocate for Palestinian rights.

      Specifically, National Review writers want much more attention paid to the association, given that the LA Times has reported that Khalidi lavished praise on Obama at a farewell party in Chicago at which Bill Ayers was also present. (Other writers have accused Khalidi of being an aide to Yasser Arafat, a claim which Marc Ambinder and Ari Berman have suggested is not credible.)

      In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

      During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

      Big Note: A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

      The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."

      Of course, there's seemingly nothing objectionable with McCain's organization helping a Palestinian group conduct research in the West Bank or Gaza. But it does suggest that McCain could have some of his own explaining to do as he tries to make hay out of Khalidi's ties to Obama.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/31/2008 3:10:16 PM

    paproudmom-I replied to your comments to me. Read if interested. Thanks.

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 3:59:45 PM

      You have my answer.

  • Posted By: the right answer @ 10/29/2008 1:55:06 PM

    Sadly, religon is generally just superstition in practice. It is a tool of those in power and preys upon man's fears. It resists progress and truth. It divides and demonizes. There is virture in truth, not in faith.

    • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/29/2008 2:12:21 PM

      I don't know when people will get it...

      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 2:34:08 PM

        Obviously you don't get it.

        • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/29/2008 6:34:01 PM

          God is Dead - Nietzsche

          • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 6:42:08 PM

            Maybe to you?

            • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/29/2008 7:58:16 PM

              to many others... I just can't be convinced to believe in something of which no hard proof exists...

              • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/30/2008 10:26:01 AM

                Ah, my angry Dark Angel, we meet again.....(just picking with ya)....trying to figure out where you are coming from. I think someone along the way has given you a bad dose of religion.....which I totally understand. I stand back and look at some of the so-called christians and I get why the world views us (and yes I am a Christian) the way you do. One question though in relation to your comment....you don't see air yet you breathe. How can we prove it's existence? Can't see the wind yet the American Flag blows in it? Help me?

                • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/30/2008 1:26:07 PM

                  I understand your argument, but it is not the idea of God or the issue of faith that gets some people. For many people who are religious, maybe just not Christian, but Jewish, Muslim, Hindi, or what have you, it is the feeling that they are not free to practice in this country. When people come on this site and say things such as- this country was founded on Christian values- it is difficult to feel that when we talk about God, or talk about religion, especially when politicians talk about God and religion, they only mean in the Christian sense. I personally feel that this would not be such an issue if the words of the Bible were not interjected so often in stump speeches; it alienates people, even moderate Christians who do not live their lives by the Holy Scripture- at least I know it alienates me. I do not identify with the people that live their life word for word by the Bible, and I often feel as if I am being persecuted for not doing so.

                  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/30/2008 1:59:22 PM

                    It is true that our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. That does not mean that over time the religious affliations have remained the same. Hopefully this country stays as it once was - a place where people can pratice their faith free from religious persecution. That means all faiths. That said as a Christian I believe that Christianity is the true faith. This is not said to upset anyone. That is only my personal belief and it does not and should not interfere with anyone else's religious freedom. I am sure if you ask someone of another faith if they believe their religion is the true faith they would answer yes. Why belong to something you don't believe in. Many people on this post show contempt for either religion or a particular denomination. Probably most have never set foot in a pentacostal church. I am a Lutheran but have been to a pentacostal church as well as other fundamental churches. While it is not my preferred way of worship, most postings are so way off the mark in their criticism as to be absurd. For christians of other denominations it might be good to visit and get to know these denominations. You may actually leave with a different impression. Then you can have an intelligent discussion. For those who do not believe at all I'd say if you want to have the right not to believe give others the right to believe.

                    • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/30/2008 2:19:58 PM

                      When you say that you believe your religion to be the true religion, that is fine, because you feel that you are just keeping it to yourself; but multiply your belief by several million and you got a very loud voice saying that it is the true religion. It makes it very difficult for people that are not on the same wave length to have conversations of this topic, or even to have conversations such as abortion or gay rights, without interjecting religion. For many people, these issues have nothing to do with religion, but for about half this country, it does. Now you may not fall under this category, but there are quite a few people who not only feel that their religion is the true religion, but that their religion should be that of others as well. I have to say, though I do have my own religious beliefs, I do not consider them to be the truest form. I do not see how I can when there are so many people out there that differ from me. Who am I to say that others are wrong, just as much as who are they are to say that I am? If the ultimate goal is to live a peaceful, prosperous, and healthy life, what does it matter who we pray to and under what title? And I think it is for this reason that when we have articles like this that raise the question of a politicians religious beliefs, people get all up in arms- they fear that they will not have the peace and protection to practice as they please if someone in such a high office has the opportunity to interject their faith in the everyday lives of Americans.

                      • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/30/2008 3:34:22 PM

                        For me, again just personally, I cannot leave my beliefs at the church door. I try to apply them to my life everyday. Failing miserable quite often. It would be hard to me to be believe in something as important as my faith in a luke warm way. People of other faiths who feel similiar may understand. I am more than happy to have a conversation with people of other faiths as well. Hopefully this will not stop the discourse between people.

                        • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/30/2008 5:38:37 PM

                          I guess what I am trying to figure out from someone like you or like NPeters, is if you feel that the Christine doctrine should dictate the future of our constitution. By that I mean, and I will focus on the hot ticket subjects: abortion and gay marriage. On the one hand I do understand how people feel very passionately about these subjects due to their religious beliefs, on the other hand I understand that people (like me), feel that these are social, medical, and scientific issues that are separate from religion. The country will continue to debate which side they really fall on for eternity- that is, unless we can get someone so far to the left or so far to the right in the White House, who would actually make it legal one way or the other. For the record, I do not feel either McCain or Obama would touch these issues with a ten foot pole their first four years in office, not in the state the country is in right now. Having said that, I know Obama says that this should be left up to the state despite his pro-choice leaning, and I know McCain has said that this should be left up to the state (also, historically, with knowledge of his pro-choice leaning) but then comes Palin, who I would argue to say, begrudgingly says that this should be left up to the state. If Palin, or insert anyone that is rather very conservative leaning, were to be President, do you feel it is appropriate to make changes to our law based on personal religious beliefs. Again, as I always tend to wrap up my arguments, that was the point of this article, and I guess why I felt the need to add my two cents. Because for me, I know people like you and I will always differ, but as long as there is someone even handed enough not to actually make any grand changes in the White House regarding these issues, we can continue to debate. But I do feel Palins history shows religion to be a very large aspect of her life, and as you said, you try to never leave religion at the church door when you leave, but I feel that in politics at least, you kind of half to.

                          • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/30/2008 9:59:00 PM

                            I cant leave my religion at the church. Thats not what my relationship with my God is all about even though I will not shove it down anyones throat. I only want the same freedoms and foundations that this country was founded on for the children that will come behind us. Make your own decision about what princples we were founded on b/c I dare not state my belief. Policy effects principles no matter how you look at it and I just as soon fight for what I believe than give in to what anyone believes.

                            • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/31/2008 10:02:40 AM

                              Okay, you need to clarify something for me, because it seems that your initial statement that you would not shove your religion down anyones throat, to some degree at least seems to contradict what you say in the end that you would fight for your beliefs and not give in to what anyone believes. Are you saying that your beliefs should be weighed heavier than others? And also, do you feel that it is appropriate that policies be changed to reflect a Christian agenda? Because I would argue that if someone like Palin were in office, and hypothetically, if she were to make gay marriage and abortion illegal on the basis that it is against her faith, that you would be okay with it. But the reason neither of these items has not been outlawed is because at least 150 million people do not agree with Palin and her supporters. But going off on this hypothetical example, if she were to outlaw gay marriage and abortion, it would be shoving Christianity down the throat of many millions of people. And that is just where it starts. So even though you do not leave your religion at the Church, you are not making policy decisions that affect my life, so I have no problem with that. I value that religion is such a large part of your own life. But religion is a very minor aspect of my life, and you may look down upon me, or hate me for it, but the fact remains that there are millions of people like me who really would prefer that religion be left out of all policy making decisions. And for the most part they have been. Abortion, for the most part has not been made illegal (though you have seen the backlash of what Bush has done by millions of people in the country) and gay marriage has not been outlawed either. It seems that you support faith based decisions because you would benefit, but what about someone like me. How is that fair to myself and my family? You get to live your life based on your Christian values, and I applaud that, but why should I have to conform to the way you live?

                              • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 11:26:46 AM

                                Reading this I do not understand how you believe that no one can fight for their beliefs or that it is shoving it down people's throats. Everyone has the right to stand up for what they believe in. As long as they do it in a respectful manner and allow others the same rights. I am sorry but in your world nothing could matter because it might offend? This is confusing to me. For instance if I believe it is wrong to allow children to be preyed on by anyone I would offend pedophiles. So therefore I could not stand up for that because that would be shoving it down someone's throat. This is an extreme example to try to explain where I am coming from. Sometimes you have to offend people.

                                • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/31/2008 3:37:57 PM

                                  I really think you misunderstood me here. I did not say that people should not fight for their beliefs. That is essentially what you and I are doing right now; it is healthy and American to do so. And as you well know, I have offended many on this site, as have you- we have offended each other- and again, I do not feel that there is anything wrong with this. Trust me, I am a particularly un-politically correct person, and I am not put off by being offended. And I will say that the pedophile example was a bit off the mark, extreme to say the least. If you are insinuating that I support the freedom of pedophiles, you have grossly misjudged me. In my original response I stated that I felt that discourse like this is what is best for trying to figure out issues like these. What I took issue with was if a political officer with very strong religious beliefs were to remove that discourse from the American people, from the congress, and implemented a Christian agenda that did not involve a vote. Cheney and Bush have abused our constitution several times during their tenure, and I have grave concerns that Palin would repeat this. And I would support the many millions who would stand up to fight for their beliefs if she were to do this. Where I think we are missing each other on this particular subject is not that I feel we should not offend one another in order to have our voices heard, but we should not be in a position where our political leaders stop listening and re-write the constitution based on a belief that is only backed by a segment of our population.

                                  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 3:58:37 PM

                                    No I was not giving that example about you at all. I never would think that. Sorry if it sounded like I was.

                          • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 8:22:24 AM

                            You and I have a difference of opinion on faith and how it works. For instance were the christians and people of other faiths wrong when they imposed their views on others when they stood against slavery, denying equal rights to women and minorities, or when they corrected hate speech, helping the poor, etc. They are all examples of people living out their faith. You cannot separate a person from their belief system. I do not in anyway feel imposed upon when I realize that others have different faiths. As far as gay marriage or abortion it is up to society to define what is appropriate or not. You seem to feel it is perfectly ok for your values to be considered on these issues. But others can't have a voice if they come to a different conclusion. Or is it wrong if there conclusion is somehow formed by their faith. Then I go back to my first point. Much good would never gotten done. You cannot cherry pick when a person's faith can be used and when not. As far as being a Christian, Christianity is not a club where we constantly get to change the rules if we don't like them. While I may not take the Bible literally I believe in total it represents my beliefs. If I did not I would not call myself a Christian. Also we as a nation were founded to allow freedom of religion. That does not mean hiding it so it never offend anyone. I am offended by the notion that it is not my right to be who I am because someone may not like it. That is the a form of oppression in the guise of us all "getting along". As though offending no one is more important than doing good or being right. On abortion when society goes too far, as deemed by the majority, then usually there is a correction. You may not like that but if it is done because that is the majority will of the people then our republic system of government is working. Sometimes the majority will is what I agree with and sometimes not. That is not oppression it is democracy.

                            • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/31/2008 9:50:46 AM

                              I think you may be misunderstanding what I was saying. My previous comment was a question and not an assault on your religious views. I do agree that we should all be free to practice our religion, whatever it may be, and to whatever extent. My question was that given that this country grants each citizen the right of religious freedom, should our constitution be changed to reflect a more Christian agenda? While it is true that the majority of this country is Christian, it seems that making this type of change would be going against what our country stands for. You also make the statement that one cannot cherry pick when a persons faith can be used and when not; well I agree to a large extent, but more so that when it comes to politics, I do not feel that any religious beliefs should be involved at all. Another point I would argue is that though eventually religion may have been used to stand against slavery, fight for equal rights, and correct hate speech, historically, when we go back to the origins of slavery in this country, inequalities between men and women and minorities, and hate speech, the Bible was often used to justify these actions. But I think in the end, we are both getting at the same thing. You write that sometimes the majority is what you agree with a sometimes not- that is democracy (I am paraphrasing of course)- and I totally agree with this. So we are on the same page about one thing at least, but where my concern continues to rise with Palin, is that she has shown herself to be someone without a very confident grasp on our constitution, and someone who has historically had a very strong relationship with her church. For some of us, who are very, very moderate Christians, or of another denomination, her religious affiliation is of concern. We are concerned that democracy will no longer rule, and what instead will occur is the infliction of oppression in the way of injecting Christian rule into common law.

                              • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/31/2008 11:01:33 AM

                                We seem to agree on much but I still believe it is actually dangerous to withhold any value/moral judgments out of decision making. Let's take the religion out of it for a minute. Many values people hold are universal across religious/non-religious lines. For instance many of our laws are based on the value judgments. Without these values I don't think you have a complete perspective. I think you would find this country is more split down the middle on the abortion question. So either way it goes someone will not be happy. I don't believe limitations on abortions would be a bad thing. Others may disagree. As far as Palin, from everything I have read, she never imposed her religious beliefs while in office. I believe that will continue. It kind of reminds me of what I have heard about the fears people had about John Kennedy, and none came to pass. As far as being a christian, all christians must decide how much they let their individual faith influence them. For myself, during different phases of my life my faith has been weaker or stronger. From my own experience a stronger faith brings a richer life. Others may see it differently which again is their right.

                                • Posted By: fccFH @ 10/31/2008 3:23:02 PM

                                  You should first understand that I do have morals and values, they are just not faith based. To me, it is simply good judgment- things I learned from my parents, who also are not very religious people. I think in general people know right from wrong, and this did not derive from any scripture, it is just common sense. But I think we will just agree to disagree on the origins of this. And I guess we have both answered each others questions on this issue. It is left to be seen, if Palin becomes VP, or anything else, what will happen. I just cannot allay my fears, the same ones I had with Bush, that though he was a governor, he had an average background in the corporate world, and not a very stellar record as governor, and I did not feel he was up for the job for president. I do not want this to relay into an argument over who is more prepared, Obama vs. McCain vs. Palin vs. Biden- we have been there, done that. But my concerns remain the same, that I personally feel Palin is not ready for this position, and like Bush, as he is very religious, or at least interjects God in many of his speeches, going as far as saying that God told him to become president. I have concerns that she will only continue his path, if not exacerbate it. But I guess we all just have to hold our breath, wait, see- and pray.

                  • Posted By: NPeters @ 10/30/2008 3:22:45 PM

                    I hate the feeling of people being alienated. I???ve heard that from several different bloggers and that???s not what Christianity is supposed to be about. It is a free country to believe in any god, God or religion that you choose. I do not want anyone else???s god pushed down my throat anymore than you want my God pushed down yours. I am one of those who lives their life by every word of the Bible. I make no apology for that. I do, however, make an apology for those who feel the need to bible-thump everyone who does not agree with them. As stated to another blogger ???Mr. Dark Angel???, I try to live my life by praying for the unbeliever daily and living my life in a way that they will see The Living God lived out through me. God Bless.

              • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/29/2008 10:57:31 PM

                That is where faith comes in.

                • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/30/2008 4:26:10 AM

                  The term faith is very convenient... When the inadequacies threaten your argument you so conveniently cover it up with 'faith'...

                  • Posted By: paproudmom @ 10/30/2008 8:10:33 AM

                    Your comments show that you really don't understand faith. It is not convenient it is hard. It is strength in a world where taking the easy road is common.

                    • Posted By: AzraelDarkAngel540 @ 10/30/2008 8:53:36 AM

                      I take the more logical road... One which actually makes sense to me... I don't need someone from high above to tell me what is right and wrong, I do something because it is intrinsically good in itself and because by doing good one achieves a harmony and balance..

    • Posted By: Alegria7 @ 10/29/2008 2:10:19 PM

      Your statement is not logically sound. How can you say there is no virtue in faith? Perhaps you are not aware of what exactly faith is. If God is the Almighty God of the Universe, you really believe he would ask us to just, have faith? With no evidence? Science has in many cases proved God, answered prayer in ALL cases proves God, Historical evidence and documentation proves God...there is so much you are obviously COMPLETELY unaware of. I pray you learn about it soon.

      • Posted By: the right answer @ 10/29/2008 2:46:37 PM

        It appears we disagree on what proof is. Please see my post on the scientific method. You have no real proof. Rather than pray for me, just educate yourself

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/29/2008 2:42:09 PM

        Is that another way of saying: You're stupid if you don't have God? Sounds a little insulting. But that's what the religious say.

      • Posted By: the right answer @ 10/29/2008 2:39:35 PM

        Seriously, a religious follower accusing me of not being logical! Guess what, you cannot provide ANY evidence to support even the existence of god, let alone the tenents of whatever superstition you follow. Anecdotal stories (I prayed the sun would come up and it did) are not evidence. Also, the sun does NOT revolve around the earth, the earth is not flat-nor is it only 7000 years old. We don't need old wives tales, we need reason. Don't pray for me, just educate yourself

  • Posted By: Falalalala08 @ 10/31/2008 10:41:12 AM

    I think it is interesting how most of the comments on here discus either taxes and other economical issues, or people pushing 'religion on others.' When this article has nothing to do with either. This article blatantly makes fun of Sarah's former beliefs which we must admit---if it made fun of a Muslim or Jewish person's beliefs, this article probablywould have been deleted from public view after much uproar. Madonna can display an upside down cross on her stage during performances, but if the same kind of disrespect were shown to the Star of David she would never hear the end of it.

    Why does it matter that she believed this?

    And if someone criticizes her for believing witchcraft exists, are they not turning around and criticizing people who practice pagan beliefs?

    • Posted By: talkback @ 10/31/2008 3:48:09 PM

      Matthew 5:44
      But I say to you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute yo

      Matthew 10:21-23, 36


      And brother will deliver up brother to death, and father his child; and children will rise up against their parents and put them to death.
      And you will be hated by all because of My name. But he who has endured to the end, this one shall be saved.
      And when they persecute you in this city, flee into another. For truly I say to you, You shall by no means finish the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.
      And a man's enemies will be those of his household

      1 Peter 3:14, 16-17


      But even if you suffer because of righteousness, you are blessed. And do not be afraid with fear from them, nor be troubled,
      Yet with meekness and fear, having a good conscience, so that in the matter in which you are spoken against, those who revile your good manner of life in Christ may be put to shame.
      For it is better, if the will of God should will it, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 10/31/2008 2:27:51 PM

      This article does discuss Christianity, and Sarah Palin's beliefs, in a condescending and patronizing way, and that is inexcusable.

      And in general, I don't care what a candidate for executive office believes or doesn't believe. What I DO care about, however, is whether or not any candidate can govern without pushing their beliefs on others.

      Palin's comments about banning books, creationism in the schools, and her staunch anti-abortion rhetoric lead me to believe that she is all about forcing her beliefs on others.

      While McCain, Obama and Biden are also Christians, nothing in their rhetoric leads me to believe they will want to force their beliefs on others. Palin, however, is different - I believed that even before reading this.

      Nothing in this article has changed my mind, even if the article is poorly and arrogantly written. On the contrary, it has strengthened my fears that she is driven by her religious beliefs, rather than uplifted by them.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 10/31/2008 1:59:42 PM

    This article and others keep referring to republicans who say Sarah's strength is that she connects with folks.

    She does not connect with me or "the base" of the republican party I joined 40 years ago.

    She and the name-calling vituperative people she draws to rallys and to these blogs, disgust and scare me.

    "alreadydecide": Your use of the bible to consider yourself "righteous" is the kind of thing I mean.

    Obama is a better Christian than you, because he does't use the bible to try to elevate himself over you, or to call you names.

    My image of "Sara's Base": Pitch forks, torches, and several teeth in their heads.

    A 40 year republican

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 10/30/2008 8:25:44 PM

    The only bad guy Obama didn't associate with was Satan ...or maybe he has and we haven't found out yet. !!

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 10/31/2008 1:22:32 PM

      The only Devils I've ever known were white. Idiots.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/30/2008 10:23:58 PM


      Obama is a follower of Saul Alinsky's philosophy (of community organizing) that was published in Alinsky's book (Rules for Radicals) which he dedicated to Lucifer!!!!

      Lest we forget at least an over the shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical. . . Lucifer

  • Posted By: alreadydecided @ 10/31/2008 12:46:22 PM

    Proverbs 29:27 27 The righteous detest the dishonest; the wicked detest the upright.

  • Posted By: Falalalala08 @ 10/31/2008 11:20:07 AM

    cannon: and i dont listen to her, thats not my point.

    if this bothers you, just look the other way and dont pay any attn to it

  • Posted By: Falalalala08 @ 10/31/2008 11:17:58 AM

    Since Obama is apparently a christian too, i guess we shouldn't vote for him either since he may base his moral beliefs and therefore decisions on something he believes a higher power approves of.

    also, for those who say klu klux klans, hitler, etc., were christians, thats like saying every muslim is a terrorist which we know is far from the truth.

    dont blame God for humans being hypocrites. no matter what you believe you will always stray away and never stay perfect on the course, but you should always try.

  • Posted By: cannonbll @ 10/31/2008 10:53:53 AM

    Madonna isn't making public policy decisions that affect every citizen in this country. If you don't like Madonna turn her off and don't go to her concert. If Palin gets her fingers on the buttons she is potentially making decisions that affect every single citizen of this country for certain, and a great number of citizens in other countries. If you have already displayed an inability to seperate your religious views from your public policy (ie; it's god's will to put a gas pipeline across alaska) then you shouldn't be anywhere near the most powerful public office in our country. Plain and simple. Any mis-direction the right wants to throw up is massively insufficient to cause me to believe any other way. ie; our country was founded by christians. To that I say so what. Those christian deemed it necessary to seperate church and state .... and NO WHERE in the constitution of the country do we deviate from that. Religion is a personal matter, I hope that it shapes the ethics and morals of our leaders, but in no way should it ever enter into politics as some kind of fact.

  • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 11:16:27 AM

    Jesus and Witches? The mainstream media are so transparent. Newsweek, along with rest of the MSM, can't keep their eyes off of Palin with articles like this one attacking her hair, makeup, shoes and religion. At the same time, they dismiss anything about Obama that Obama tells them to dismiss, simply by way of him dismissing it himself.

    If McCain had a damaging tape sitting at the LA Times, they would find a way to realease it. If McCain even had a passing association with an abortion clinic bomber, there would be multiple Newsweek articles delving into the issue. If he had been mentored by a racist maniac, they would run it into the ground. Instead, all of this is dismissed and deemed unimportant by the MSM. Nesweek did do an article on Wright, mainly discounting the relationship and giving every reason it could of why McCain shouldn't attack Obama over the issue. Pretty much the same for Ayers. But again, they have no problem spending a boat load of time and resources hammering Palin's wardrobe and religion.

    It's blatantly obvious that Palin is used as a diversion to knock her and McCain down, which at the same time diverts focus away from having to report on anything that might hurt their darling!

    Very transparent.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/30/2008 12:11:54 PM

      Too bad McCain doesn't take this time to roll out his plans. You know the ones that the experts say will not work anyway. The ones you won't even talk about. Especially health care and economy. So, instead McCain said: let's make up a newspaper cover-up and call him socialist - that's the ticket - since we don't have one. And where were you when they picked on Michelle Obama, the preacher, the flag pin, his father, his mother, his grandmother and all those made up associations? Perhaps you were on the "He's not one of us" tour. The 4th can't get here fast enough - and have you seen the youth turn-out? They are voting this year.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 12:19:56 PM

        Plans AP, McCain has plans??? That is news to me! Lol!

        • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 12:56:12 PM

          Yes. He has plans. But unlike Obama, he doesn't plan to "take it from those who have earned it, and give it to those who have not." Unlike Obama, he doesn't plan to take us into socialism. And unlike Obama, he doesn't plan to "break free" from the constraints of the Constitution."

          • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/30/2008 1:49:26 PM

            What were McCain's plans again?

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 2:05:03 PM

              President Bush's.

              • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 3:38:22 PM

                As McCain said, if he wanted to run against Bush, he should have done it four years ago.

                • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:19:17 PM

                  He can do it right now. McCain has followed Bush's lead 95% of the time. That's close enough, thanks.

                  • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 7:34:47 PM

                    He's republican. What's he supposed to do, oppose him 100 percent of the time? Of course he's going with overall republican issues... but he still opposed Bush 10 percent of the time, which is 10 percent more than the most liberal man in the senate, Obama, did. The only time Obama would buck his own party is if he could make it even more socialist than it already is.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 8:26:14 PM

                      You know that Obama is not a Socalist! McCain injected that big fat lie out of pure desperation. See, now me, I would never support a desperate candidate!

                      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 8:45:35 PM

                        Candidates that make 'take it from those who have it and give it to those who don't" and ""break free from the constraints of the the Constitution" statements, tend to make me thing they're socialist.

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 11:50:35 PM

                          What is your opinion on the 700 billion bailout? Mine is that the govt. bailing out private banking instituitions is considered Socialism. Pres. Bush, a Rep pushed for this bailout. O and M were relutctant to support it even though they did.

                          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/31/2008 10:23:25 AM

                            The gov. bail out was ugly, but necessary to prevent economic collapse. Money was not given to citizens directly. The "spread the wealth around" statement Obama made is totally different. Obama will now decide how much money I need to keep of what I earn, and he will decide who and how much to give it for those who have not earned it.

                            And his "break free" from the constraints of the Constitution statement is disturbing at best. Americans want their Constitution interpreted, not changed!

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 4:30:28 PM

                  Too late for him. McCain supported the president's policies 95% of the time and the voters know it. And darn it Vypurr, my post to AP looked so good....I thought I had the last word you know and then you had to go spoil it by posting this, lol!

                  • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 6:59:46 PM

                    Lol... but you have to remember McCain opposed Bush 10 percent of the time... that's 10 percent more than Obama every said no to his own party.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 7:26:49 PM

                      Maybe so, but Obama's party is not the one the American people want out!

            • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 8:46:47 PM

              Go to McCain's site and have a look.

              But of course you won't.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 2:04:05 PM

            Really? Hmmm. McCain took Pres. Bush's plans. He has none of his own and everyone knows it. Embarassing.

            • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 8:52:07 PM

              He has not, Pia. And with all due respect, how would you know? You haven't even been to his site.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 11:47:07 PM

                Vypurr, I do know McCain's plans. I watched both debates and the town hall meeting and I did not like what he said..in fact what he did say wasn't much anyway. He was too busy being disrespectful to Obama and acting like a mean cranky man.

            • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 2:14:55 PM

              Of course he has his own. As McCain told your candidate in the last debate, if Obama wanted to run against George Bush, he should have do it four years ago! LOL!

              Go to McCain's site and you can get educated.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 2:25:51 PM

                Thank you, but I will pass McCain's site. No interest. I have more than I need and want from Obama.

                • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 3:37:37 PM

                  Even I have been to at Obama's site to see what he had to say. I don't agree with the direction he wants to take us, but at least I learned about him from his site and listened to some of his speeches.

                  It's how I made my choice.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 8:15:20 PM

                    I made my choice during the primaries.

                    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 8:47:55 PM

                      But you did so without ever even looking at McCain? Once again, even I did that with Obama.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 11:34:08 PM

                        I made my decision during the primaries that I was not going to support a Rep. candidate for president. It had nothing to do with McCain.

              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:18:20 PM

                McCain's voting record matches Bush's agenda 95% of the time.

                So I guess Obama really IS running against Bush...or at least a very close approximation of Bush.

                • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 8:49:50 PM

                  Obama's liberal voting record closely matches Bill Clintons. Well, I guess that means Obama is running against Bill Clinton and his tax lie, or at least very close.

          • Posted By: FlyingScot @ 10/30/2008 3:27:18 PM

            After the past 8 years the mere mention of the word Constitution by a Republican supporter is blasphemy. Also, what Obama proposes may be slightly more socialist in tendency than what McCain proposes, but it is still a far cry from true socialism. And finally, you claim that Obama intends to take away from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not, but McCain intends to take it away from those who don't have it, and give it to those who have it all already. As a further note on that point, who are you to say who has or has not earned their money? Is it the blueblood whose daddy paid for him to go to Harvard or Yale and who by virtue of not having to work to support himself or his family can idle his way to an advanced degree, giving him a free ride to executive offices? Or is it the working class stiff who had to give up on his dreams of going to college at 18 so he could work 40 hours a week, plus overtime when available, because his parents could not make ends meet in this Republican sponsored recession?

            • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 4:11:10 PM

              Blashphemy? Really? Your opinionated diatribe is just that. Get a clue! 10 percent of tax payers already pay 70 percent of the taxes, and 40 percent of Americans already do not pay any Federal Income Tax at all!

              And so Bush had help getting through Yale, like every other student did, including Obama. But because you hate him, you hold that against him? Please!

              And who am I to say who earns their money or not? LOL! If Obama is taking it from me and giving to someone else, that's pretty much a no brainer!

              And cut your moronic bullsh!t that the republicans caused all of this recession. Your dem pals have their filthy paw prints all over this mess, beginning with fat boys Barney Frank and Chris Dodd for stopping the McCain and Bush legislation they proposed several years ago that could have reigned in Fan/Fred and averted this mess. The dems are dirty as hell with this.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 3:53:27 PM

              Excellent, thank you.

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 12:46:39 PM

        Picked on Michelle Obama? You mean mentioned... they "mentioned" her "I've never been proud of America until now" remark, they "mentioned" the flag pin, they "mentioned" Wright and gave every reason for McCain not to bring it up. No way has Newsweek or any of the MSM looked into Obama's questionable issues the way the have Palin.

        And yes, I've seen the youth turn out. Obama knows they're too you young to remember the big Clinton tax lie that got him into office 16 years ago. Of course, he reneged and instead gave us one of the largest tax increases in history, retroactively! Last year, both Obama and Biden voted to raise taxes on people making 42K, but this year of course, we're going to be different! Yeah... just like with Clinton, that'll happen! In the past week, Obama has already changed the "Envy Class" benchmark from 250K to 150K... it's the same pattern as Clinton. It's what democrats do!

        You go right ahead and lose 50 bucks on the replay!

        BTW, Obama's disturbing statement of "breaking free from the constraints of the Constitution" should be enough to keep anyone from voting for him, tax lies or not.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 10/30/2008 1:16:14 PM

          Oh come on, they did way more than just "mention" it! It was ran into the ground for months and months! Palin and Cindy McCain "mentioned" that comment of Michelle's at every rally and public appearance until people got sick of hearing it! For the record, which I'm sure you already know, Michelle's quote was taken way out of context. She said "For the first time in my adult life, I'm really proud of my country BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE HOPE IS FINALLY MAKING A COMEBACK." Conveniently left the last part out, eh? I'm a white woman in my 20s and I wholeheartedly agree with her statement. I love this country but we have some very very dark moments, even recently, that hold me back from being truly proud. Bending the rules of what constitutes torture, denying gays equal rights, holding back scientific research on stem cells based on religion...sickens me and makes me decidedly NOT proud.
          As far as flag pins...what silly drivel. Personally I find flag pins, shirts, and other ostentanious displays of faked patriotism tacky and distasteful (outside of the 4th of July). I love my country dearly but don't feel the need to adorn myself with flags to make it known. I fly a flag at my house, that's it. I show my patriotism, much like Obama, in serving my community and trying to better the lives of those in it, voting, and overall being a productive member of society.
          I'll concede that the investigation of the Ayers connection was warranted. That, at least, has some value--these out of context quotes and stupid flag pins do not.

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 2:02:55 PM

            I'm talking about the MSM. Other than a passing, mild interest, the only place you heard any of Michelle's comments (other than mentioning on the MSM) was on Fox or other conservative media. How many articles like this one nailing Palin have you seen on Obama here at Newsweek? None or almost none. However there seems to be one just about every day here about Palin. And this isn't about flag pins... it's about lopsided media support for one candidate over another. The MSM were behind Obama in the Primes, and it took the gang at SNL to finally call it to America's attention! And whoever "they" were that called Obama unpatriotic, it wasn't NW or the MSM!

            • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:15:39 PM

              A possible reason for that is that the stories involves were either inconsequential, or they were crap.

              Fox had its chance at Obama, and they failed. Now it's Palin's turn. Politics is tough, wear a hat.

              • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 7:31:07 PM

                Oh well, excuse me! Obama exclaims any possible derogatory story about him is crap! And of course, you agree! Once again, end of story.

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/30/2008 1:03:03 PM

          Sorry. They bashed Michelle and called her unAmerican. That's not a mention - and you know this yet lie anyway. But you're seemingly not that smart or not that in the know - or you have a really bad memory. the problem with bloggers like you is that you refuse to understand what the popular feeling is and how it got that way, nor do you acknowledge how mean-spirited you have been.

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 2:04:03 PM

            Can you please show me where Newsweek and the MSM called either of the Obama's unpatriotic?

            • Posted By: summer4077 @ 10/30/2008 3:24:23 PM

              Fox News. Enough said.

              • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 3:45:19 PM

                Exactly. The MSM supports Obama. That was the point to my original post. You rarely see the kind of Palin bashing by the writers here at NW or any other MSM.

                • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:16:56 PM

                  And Fox supports McCain. Now, you can hardly blame us if McCain was unable to win the media over.

                  Perhaps next time you should nominate something other than a rage-filled old man who can't handle the media.

                  • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 6:16:56 PM

                    Let me see, In the tank for Obama... MSM = CBS, NBC, ABC, almost every major paper in America, MSNBC, NPR, CNN.

                    In the tank for McCain... Fox

                    Stop spinning.... the MSM has always been in the tank for the Dem party and you know it.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 12:58:30 PM

      "Jesus and Witches? The mainstream media are so transparent."

      By her own admission, she gushed all over a Kenyan with hunter that made his reputation by destroying the lives of single women in Kenya.

      Sorry if that coming to light bothers you, but hey; reality has a liberal bias, these days.

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 3:32:44 PM

        How about a link to this "admission" please. And if she actually did, wouldn't this be in comparison to Obama praising Rashid Khalidi, the former mouthpiece for the Palestinian Liberation Organization that the LA Times is withholding?

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:13:43 PM

          http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gh7Lk46Oz-h8mWP35QuNXGRxkbmQ

          She had a real thing for this Muthee guy. You know how Muthee made his name? Victimizing single women in Kenya...ruining their lives for his own personal advancement. And Palin calls him "a godly man" (the least of her gushing).

          Nice, eh?

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 4:41:48 PM

            Was he a Libra?

            • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 6:12:54 PM

              LOL! What's that got to do with the price of tea in China???

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 7:25:16 PM

                Well, if he was a Libra.......my point is..they are heartbreakers...

                • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 8:40:23 PM

                  Okay... if you say so.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 11:10:53 PM

                    I do. Oops! Are you one? I'm scorpio.

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 6:12:07 PM

            Your link stinks. It's written by who the hell knows, with a map of LA on the page?

            Please, howl!

  • Posted By: melaine @ 10/31/2008 10:18:16 AM

    I believe that the mention of witchcraft in the Kenyan preacher's prayer simply reflects the cultural-religious beliefs of tribal Africans and how this world intersects with Christianity. I understand how this man would choose the wording of his prayer based upon his own personal experiences. If one believes in the God of Christianity, then you may expect for him to believe in the adversary (Satan.) Scripturally-speaking: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" Ephesians 6:12. As the prayer pertains to Palin, Munthee's mention of witchcraft may sympolize the spiritual wickedness and the rulers of the darkness of this world, not literally: Palin might encounter a physical person who practices witchcraft.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/31/2008 8:34:28 AM

    Wednesday, October 29, 2008

    Obama, McCain and Rashid Khalidi.

    John McCain's presidential campaign Tuesday accused the Los Angeles Times of "intentionally suppressing" a videotape it obtained of a 2003 banquet where then-state Sen. Barack Obama spoke of his friendship with Rashid Khalidi, a leading Palestinian scholar and activist.

    I guess some are tempted to file this under the category of "October surprise," a blockbuster the McCain campaign tucked away for a rainy day:

    "A major news organization is intentionally suppressing information that could provide a clearer link between Barack Obama and Rashid Khalidi," said McCain campaign spokesman Michael Goldfarb. " . . . The election is one week away, and it's unfortunate that the press so obviously favors Barack Obama that this campaign must publicly request that the Los Angeles Times do its job -- make information public."

    Poor Goldfarb. Unleashed on campaign stooge duty once again. From the Huffington Post:

    McCain Funded Work Of Palestinian His Campaign Hopes To Tie To Obama

    During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

    A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

    The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."

    It's a sign of last-minute desperation that the McCain campaign had to launch an attack that was so weak and easily refuted. Bet they kept a few things back from the wingnuts when they launched them into hyper-screech? (Other writers have accused Khalidi of being an aide to Yasser Arafat, a claim which Marc Ambinder and Ari Berman have suggested is not credible.) Of course, there's seemingly nothing objectionable with McCain's organization helping a Palestinian group conduct research in the West Bank or Gaza.

    TPJ: This is a non-story at best and a story where both sides cancel each other out with their own tenuous connection to this person at worst.


    ---End of Transmission---

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/31/2008 8:33:34 AM


    A former Republican Secretary of State and one of John McCain's most prominent supporters offered a stunningly frank and remarkably bleak assessment of Sarah Palin's capacity to handle the presidency should such a scenario arise.

    Lawrence Eagleburger, who served as Secretary of State under George H.W. Bush and whose endorsement is often trumpeted by McCain, said on Thursday that the Alaska governor is not only unprepared to take over the job on a moment's notice but, even after some time in office, would only amount to an "adequate" commander in chief.

    "And I devoutly hope that [she] would never be tested," he added for good measure -- referring both to Palin's policy dexterity and the idea of McCain not making it through his time in office. (Listen to audio below.)

    The remarks took place during an interview on National Public Radio that was, ironically, billed as "making the case" for a McCain presidency. Asked by the host whether Palin could step in during a time of crisis, Eagleburger reverted to sarcasm before leveling the harsh blow.

    "It is a very good question," he said, pausing a few seconds, then adding with a chuckle: "I'm being facetious here. Look, of course not."

    Eagleburger explained: "I don't think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reigns of the presidency. I can name for you any number of other vice presidents who were not particularly up to it either. So the question, I think, is can she learn and would she be tough enough under the circumstances if she were asked to become president, heaven forbid that that ever takes place?

    "Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be [pause] adequate. I can't say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year... well I hope not... get us through whatever period of time was necessary. And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested."

    The indictment of Palin was all the more biting because both she and McCain have held Eagleburger up repeatedly during the past several weeks as evidence that the Republican ticket has firm standing and support within foreign policy circles. (In fact, McCain conferred with Eagleburger by phone just this week, on matters pertaining to national security.)

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 10/31/2008 2:07:58 AM

    Agreed! Christianty has had a very bad past. But, I don't see them killing anyone these days, in the "name of Jesus". I think I will become a Muslim - kill myself and alot of infedels, and spend paradise with 70 virgins.
    I am very dissapointed with the Muslim community.

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/31/2008 8:29:47 AM

      CHRISTIANITY HAS A VERY BAD PRESENT....

      WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING ?

      I GET IT....BOB JONES UNIVERSITY AND LIBERTY UNIVERSITY....

      MAYBE ORAL ROBERTS UNIVERSITY


      WHCIH EVER YOU ATTEND....

      YOU'RE NOT IN REALITY.

      TIM MCVIEGH AND TED KACZYNSKI CALLED THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS ALSO.

      THE KU KLUX KLAN CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS TO THIS DAY.

      AN MANY OTHERS...

      GET REAL

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