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  • Posted By: realitycheck60 @ 10/30/2008 5:56:27 PM

    I'll assume most of you have already figured out that those voting for McCain are pretty much the religious zealots of America and are doing it because their priest, pastor, or whoever - told them to. If they all were color-blind, and only saw or heard the actual candidates with no outside influence - then McCain would get about 8 votes (mostly for Palin cuz she is actually a pretty hot mama for her age).

    It's unclear to me how ANYONE can want another 4 years of the same cr*p we've had for the last 8. I guess there's always some ardent Bush fans that would drink spiked kool-aid if he asked them to..... or die-hard Republicans that would vote for a moose if that was the candidate...

    but to benivarius @ 10/30/2008 5:15:13 PM - you said - If you are willing to believe in witches, aren't you gullible enough to believe absolutely anything? If Jesus said, "Give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" why does she spend so much on clothes and hair?

    I don't think you should critisize people for believing in witches if you're going to believe in God and Jesus. They're both far-fetched but there's probably more proof of witches than there is of God.... (no offense meant to God if he's out there)

    • Posted By: perfect7 @ 10/30/2008 8:17:35 PM

      How is it that because those who believe in Almighty God are Zealots It wasn't that long ago in this country that hatred for Christians was a very small part of the fabric of America You are just looking for someone to hate

  • Posted By: red1001 @ 10/30/2008 6:17:35 PM

    I grew up in that tradition of Pentecostalism, too. They are people who are afraid of everything and everyone, and they are always defining themselves against others: they are always looking for enemies and judging themselves against these supposed enemies.
    They have an extremely contradictory worldview, in that they want the end of the world to happen so that Jesus will return, but they are terrified that it may actually happen. They yearn for some mythical "good old days" when men were men and women were women and there were no problems in the world (and that's a time which, of course. never existed).
    So I understand the difficulties most people have in trying to understand this movement. After all, if you want the world to go terribly wrong and end up in the battle of Armageddon, but at the same time you are scared to death that it may actually happen, you would tend to stand for some pretty contradictory suppositions!
    If they truly had faith in God, they would not worry about anything. If they truly believed that God was in control of the world and the future, they would not care who was elected President or anything else. But they are extremely paranoid, that more than anything else this indicates the lack of faith they have in their own religion. That, more than anything else, makes them dangerous.

    • Posted By: perfect7 @ 10/30/2008 7:58:42 PM

      Your problem is you grew up in a tradition and not a relationship you are very confused about christianity and its role in america I am in my 40's and can tell you when I was growing up we did confuse men and woman their were problems but their was a greater sense of morals than we have today so it was a better time my parents never worried some freak would kidnap and torture me-by the way Jesus said for us to be salt and light in this world not to hide The Bible says evil exist because good men do nothing we have a obligation to God be involved in the government so confused and ungodly people are not the only voice

  • Posted By: perfect7 @ 10/30/2008 7:50:38 PM

    Why is this a story? Because she believes in praying to almighty God I have news for all you anti-God liberals our country was founded on Christianity all of our Colleges were missionary training schools we used to be one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Our government still starts every day with prayer to the one true God not allah or muhummed if the liberal media was not biased this would not be a story

    • Posted By: Conservative-Liberal @ 10/30/2008 7:54:22 PM

      The problem seems to be more that she doesn't pray for God's will, rather she prays that God bends to meet hers.

  • Posted By: perfect7 @ 10/30/2008 7:36:16 PM

    Why is this a story? this story just shows the anti-God liberal media out to destroy sarah palin why do they hate her so much because she prays and asked God for wisdom our founding fathers and our current senate open every day with prayer to god not allah or muhammed, why don't you do a story on obama's church and faith? or I forgot he is the media's love child

    • Posted By: Conservative-Liberal @ 10/30/2008 7:44:19 PM

      The problem seems to be more that she doesn't pray for God's will, rather she prays that God bends to meet hers.

  • Posted By: Conservative-Liberal @ 10/30/2008 7:41:22 PM

    After her comment to the effect that "on Nov 5th, America will see that God's will has been done," what's she going to say in the event of a loss ... that God wanted Obama in office or the devil was stronger than God?

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 10/30/2008 7:32:08 PM

    For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html

    McCain Financially supporterd Khalidi and is now trying to tie Obama to Khalidi, though McCain himself was Closely tied to the Palestenian and backed him withover 400,000 $$$
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    The McCain camp gambit comes after conservative writers have repeatedly pressed for media outlets to write about the rather tenuous connections between Obama and Khalidi, an outspoken advocate for Palestinian rights.

    Specifically, National Review writers want much more attention paid to the association, given that the LA Times has reported that Khalidi lavished praise on Obama at a farewell party in Chicago at which Bill Ayers was also present. (Other writers have accused Khalidi of being an aide to Yasser Arafat, a claim which Marc Ambinder and Ari Berman have suggested is not credible.)

    In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

    During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

    Big Note: A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

    The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."

    Of course, there's seemingly nothing objectionable with McCain's organization helping a Palestinian group conduct research in the West Bank or Gaza. But it does suggest that McCain could have some of his own explaining to do as he tries to make hay out of Khalidi's ties to Obama.


  • Posted By: karo1958 @ 10/30/2008 7:30:20 PM

    Don't forget, Obama had no reason to take issue with his party's positions, because during the Bush Administration, what was right for the country was pretty much the opposite of what Bush wanted.

  • Posted By: LeahBSN @ 10/30/2008 4:28:12 PM

    Sarah Palin has a right to practice her religion and worship God as she chooses. There have been several presidents who were practicing Catholics who did not come under this type of scrutiny. The Catholic faith has several religious rites that could seem strange to those not familiar with their beliefs. At least at this church they are preaching the Bible and not spouting political retoric and anti-American propiganda as was Obama's church.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:45:05 PM

      Actually, at that church, they were falling all over themselves (especially Palin) to praise Rev Muthee, a man who made his name ruining the lives of single women in Kenya for his own glorification.

      She does in fact have the right to worship as she sees fit. We, however, have the right to make fun of her for it, and drag the nastiness that goes on in that church into the light of day.

      Deal with it.

      • Posted By: realitycheck60 @ 10/30/2008 6:11:39 PM

        I keep hearing this "ruined the lives of single women" line over and over. Pls explain. Does he force those clitoral mutilations on women, or what?

        • Posted By: Conservative-Liberal @ 10/30/2008 7:28:18 PM

          Actually, it was only one woman that was reported ... he informed others in the Kenyan village that this woman was a witch and responsible for their recent hardships, they in turn ran her out of the village .... with the threat of death if she didn't leave ... do a little search, would be easy to find.

    • Posted By: kaj_pagan @ 10/30/2008 5:44:12 PM

      Name one president besides JFK who was a practicing or non-practicing Catholic. Let me save you some time...there aren't any. Look up the definition of "several' in the dictionary and try again.

      • Posted By: realitycheck60 @ 10/30/2008 6:08:05 PM

        I'd take JFK to lead us right now!! and regardless of religious beliefs, I think Obama is JFK reincarnated as a black man.

        Besides, JFK believed in dinosaurs. At least he was a realist.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/30/2008 4:50:38 PM

      I am a Roman Catholic and I have never heard of witch exorcism being practiced during church services until now with Sarah Palin. It's completely backwoods and crazy...she belongs on that silly show, the Beverly Hillbillies.

  • Posted By: miriamac @ 10/30/2008 6:04:02 PM

    This is terrifying. Those who believe that their worldly success is blessed by God are capable of monstrous acts.

  • Posted By: Kamanos @ 10/30/2008 4:12:36 PM

    why are there so many crazys in this country?

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/30/2008 5:19:31 PM

      I just hope we don't have the most per ca pita.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 10/30/2008 1:21:53 PM



    Even committed Republicans who support McCain are asking themselves if they really would take the risk of putting our country into Sarah Palin's hands. Many prominent Republicans, including Colin Powell, have said that Palin is not prepared to be Vice President. Being VP requires a depth of knowledge on national and international issues. Palin is ignorant of these matters. And being President requires great intelligence and a clear-eyed world view, one untainted by religious fanaticism. Look at the mess we got with the under-qualified Dubya, and even he seems smarter and less fanatical than Palin. McCain is 72 years old, with high cholesterol and high blood pressure; his father and grandfather each died of heart attacks at age 72. McCain's Vice President HAS to be ready to lead. And by lead, I am not referring to a full speed charge into Armageddon.

    For those of you who don't know, Palin belongs to a fundamentalist church that believes the end of the world is near: that war, financial distress and famine will kill off the sinful non-believers, and that when this holocaust occurs all good Christians will be taking refuge in Alaska. Furthermore, her church conducts witch hunts -- they actually use prayer to locate "witches" in their community, then publicly brand them as witches, and hold them responsible for everything that goes wrong in town. (Honestly, I think the long winters must be getting to their minds.) You can go on YouTube and watch videos of Palin participating during sermons like this. She stands on the altar facing the members. The congregation stands with outstretched hands, trancelike, speaking in tounges while the priest prays to "keep Sarah safe from all forms of witchcraft."

    Could you REALLY feel comfortable knowing that a woman who holds these beliefs would have the power to declare war and deploy nuclear missiles?

    • Posted By: mcdeere72 @ 10/30/2008 2:41:16 PM

      Do you really want to try and go this route? A canindate's religion? Nothing you stated was backed by any facts. You've got alot to post if you're going to back up this religious sermon on Palin's church.You don't want us to bring up the religion, (Rev. Wright), that Obama was attending for how long?

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/30/2008 5:16:23 PM

        Actually Palin and her pastor said pretty much the same thing in a video of her speaking in her church. it us on the net.

      • Posted By: kaj_pagan @ 10/30/2008 3:16:42 PM

        Last time I checked, Obama didn't stand in front of the church and accept the laying on of hands in prayer for money and political power. Someone explain to me why her actions are not reprehensible

    • Posted By: mcdeere72 @ 10/30/2008 2:30:20 PM

      You can't even be honest on this board. Posting things where you say you look at things objectively is not very smart when right after that you're posting all you can against McCain/Palin.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 4:02:47 PM

        Objectively speaking, Palin is a whackjob. I actually feel bad for McCain, for having the GOP saddle him with that freak.

  • Posted By: benivarius @ 10/30/2008 5:15:13 PM

    Is Sarah Palin really lying if she just doesn't know what the heck she is talking about?

    Can anyone think of anything more un-American than speaking at the Alaskan Secessionist Party's meetings?

    If you are willing to believe in witches, aren't you gullible enough to believe absolutely anything?

    If Jesus said, "Give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" why does she spend so much on clothes and hair? And she's only donating the clothes she wore at the CONVENTION, by the way.

    If Sarah Palin honestly believes that "God is guiding her career and will help the voters of this country make the right choice on election day, " if she loses does that mean that God wants Obama to be president?

  • Posted By: wendydk @ 10/30/2008 4:26:02 PM

    Here are the answers to all the Obama smears using various trusted non-partisan sources. Investigate for yourselves before believing anyones version of the facts.

    Rezko: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

    Ayers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp

    Rashid Kahlidi: http://jews4barack.com/react/?p=23

    Are three former Fannie Mae executives economic advisers to Obama?
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_three_former_fannie_mae_executives_economic.html

    Is Obama's brother really dirt poor in Kenya and living on a dollar a day?
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obamas_brother_really_dirt_poor_in.html

    How many times did Obama vote PRESENT as a state senator and why?
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_many_times_did_obama_vote_present.html

    Obama???s relationships with corrupt Chicago politicians
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/guilt_and_associations.html

    NRA ads regarding Obama violating second amendment right to bear arms
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

    Jerome Corsis The Obama Nation
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html

    Obama wants to teach sex ed to Kindergartners?
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html

    Obama plans painful tax increases for working families
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html

    Context Included: Obama on Iran
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/context_included_obama_on_iran.html

    Did Obama write that he would stand with the Muslims and that he nurses a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity toward whites?
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html

    Did Hamas endorse Barack Obama?
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_hamas_endorse_barack_obama.html

    Claims that Obama is a Muslim, attended a Wahabi school in Indonesia, took his Senate oath on the Koran, refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and is part of an Islamic plot to take over the U.S.
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

    Barack and Michelle Obama spent $450 on lobster and caviar at the Waldorf at taxpayer expense
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_michelle_obama_spend_450_on_room.html

    50 Obama lies and counting
    http://jews4barack.com/react/?p=9

    The Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan Controversies
    http://jews4barack.com/react/?p=21

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/30/2008 4:59:12 PM

      Hi Wendy,

      I should have checked before copying your post to this site. I thought it was great and wanted to sharethe info. My bad! LOL

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/30/2008 4:52:26 PM

    I copied this post from another NSWK site. This poster took the time to pretty much list links debunking all of the BS that has been spread about Sen. Obama.

    But, as I replied to her the types of individuals who continue to spread these obvious lies do not care about facts or truths. But this is great!

    Posted By: wendydk (October 30, 2008 at 4:15 PM)
    Here are the answers to all the Obama smears using various trusted non-partisan sources. Investigate for yourselves before believing anyones version of the facts.

    Rezko: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

    Ayers: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp

    Rashid Kahlidi: http://jews4barack.com/react/?p=23

    Are three former Fannie Mae executives economic advisers to Obama?

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_three_former_fannie_mae_executives_economic.html

    Is Obama's brother really dirt poor in Kenya and living on a dollar a day?

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obamas_brother_really_dirt_poor_in.html

    How many times did Obama vote PRESENT as a state senator and why?

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_many_times_did_obama_vote_present.html

    Obama???s relationships with corrupt Chicago politicians

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/guilt_and_associations.html

    NRA ads regarding Obama violating second amendment right to bear arms

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

    Jerome Corsis The Obama Nation

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html

    Obama wants to teach sex ed to Kindergartners?

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html

    Obama plans painful tax increases for working families

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html

    Context Included: Obama on Iran

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/context_included_obama_on_iran.html

    Did Obama write that he would stand with the Muslims and that he nurses a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity toward whites?

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html

    Did Hamas endorse Barack Obama?

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_hamas_endorse_barack_obama.html

    Claims that Obama is a Muslim, attended a Wahabi school in Indonesia, took his Senate oath on the Koran, refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and is part of an Islamic plot to take over the U.S.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

    Barack and Michelle Obama spent $450 on lobster and caviar at the Waldorf at taxpayer expense

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_michelle_obama_spend_450_on_room.html

    50 Obama lies and counting

    http://jews4barack.com/react/?p=9

    The Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan Controversies

    http://jews4barack.com/react/?p=21

  • Posted By: TheWildDove @ 10/30/2008 4:49:27 PM

    I personally don't care who believes what as far as politics are concerned. However, at a time when we're in precarious situation globally do we really want a fundamentalist helping to guide our foreign policy with Arab Islamic countries? That's where the whole thing factors in for me, we need someone who's tolerant, and, from the looks of the videos, Sarah Palin is not that person.

  • Posted By: Gobama2008 @ 10/30/2008 4:48:39 PM

    What century is this? Oh yeah, I remember. No thanks, Palin & McCain...
    Obama/Biden '08 !!

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 10/30/2008 4:42:03 PM

    McCain Camp Buses in 4,000 Kids for Ohio Rally

    A local school district official confirmed after the event that of the 6,000 people estimated by the fire marshal to be in attendance this morning, more than 4,000 were bused in from schools in the area. The entire 2,500-student Defiance School District was in attendance, the official said, in addition to at least three other schools from neighboring districts, one of which sent 14 buses.

    link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/mccain-camp-busses-in-sch_n_139300.html

    link: http://washingtonindependent.com/15946/mccain-camp-buses-in-4000-kids-for-ohio-rally

    MCCAIN BUSES IN 4,000 KIDS FILL CROWD JOE No Show

    link: http://www.heraldextra.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,3/func,view/catid,21/id,405230/

    JUST SAD LOL!

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 10/30/2008 3:52:42 PM

    After hearing McCain and Obama speak, after watching Palin and Bidden and after noting the RNC and DNC positions it is hard to understand anyone having any doubt as to what the right choice is. Unless someone was active in the Republican Party or extremely wealthy, and even then, it is hard to imagine anyone being able to rationally justify voting for McCain-Palin. Their arguments are empty as they only offer unfounded and exaggerated scare and smear tactics that are easily debunked with the truth, while on the issues they just state generalities, heavily embedded with the I pronoun, without any specifics or substance or even any real hope. In contrast, Obama clearly states his positions with detail and defines his objective as being to benefit the middle class, which then ends up benefiting everyone, while he concentrates on we, us and you. The difference is obvious as being a McCain-Palin rationalized ???more of the same??? focus on benefit for Special Interests and a select few, arrogantly and deceptively pursued or with Obama-Bidden in finally turning things around and really focusing on straightening out the economy, ending the war in Iraq, putting al Qaeda out of business and addressing our many and drastic domestic problems and needs, to the benefit of everyone. McCain and Palin are stuck having to patronize their major supporters and then they just can???t do anything for the majority of Americans, can???t do anything but ???more of the same???. McCain wants very badly to be president before he retires and Palin just wants all of the attention she can get, for both of them it is just all about them. No doubt that Obama has an ego too but his seems to be strongly motivated to make a positive difference and with Bidden being much the same.

    • Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/30/2008 4:34:31 PM

      Obama/Biden is the obvious best choice. Even the children know. One child asked who will be drafted if the war in Iraq continues for 100 years?... That's a good question.

  • Posted By: TruthForward @ 10/30/2008 4:25:39 PM

    The days of sucker subprime home and business loan, and bank deregulation are almost over. Vote Obama!

    Yes We Can

  • Posted By: LDJ Alabama @ 10/30/2008 10:16:31 AM

    Today's Informal Survey. How will you vote America? Will you cast your vote for:

    The Socialist or Communist candidate?

    Or

    The Capitalist Candidate

    See definitions below:

    Socialism: Stage between capitalism and communism. In Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism, marked by pay distributed according to work done rather than need.

    Communism: The Marxist-Leninist version of a classless society in which capitalism is overthrown by a working-class revolution that gives ownership and control of wealth and property to the state

    Capitalism: A free-market system. An economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit

    PLEASE VOTE HERE:

    1.
    2.
    3.

    • Posted By: LDJ Alabama @ 10/30/2008 10:55:27 AM

      Might as well throw in definition 2 of SOCIALISM:

      Socialism 2: A political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles.

      • Posted By: HAL--- @ 10/30/2008 11:07:03 AM

        For all you noobs screaming "socialist" i guess you are all against the US postal system as well. It is state run isn't it? How about Social Security? I guess all those seniors without 401Ks should just fend for themselves too huh?

        • Posted By: LDJ Alabama @ 10/30/2008 11:50:30 AM

          Yes, I will concede that point. To some extent America does have some socialistic views and/or ideologies. But I'm okay with a 'REASONABLE TAX SYSTEM' that's setup primarily for maintaining law & order in this great nation. In other words, I???m okay with the way it is now. The let the Free Markets do the rest. As taxpayers, we need to demand that Big Gov. does its job of providing the necessary and proper oversight of Big Corps. Otherwise ... we get the MESS that we're in now due to greed and corruption. Right?

          • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 10/30/2008 12:04:16 PM

            The tax system was set up to maintain law and order? I thought the tax system was set up to fund government.

            How is it that changing the tax code to give relief to the middle class is socialism, but government bailing out the banks is not?

            How is it that in a free market capitalistic country, we can talk about bailing out General Motors, but we can't talk about preventing millions from losing their homes to foreclosure?

            The truth is these "labels" have ceased to have any meaning. We haven't been a true free market capitalist society for decades, and we have coexisted with some socialism for those same decades.

            Rather than fling empty words at each other, we would be better served figuring out what will work best for the largest amount of people and hurt the least amount of people as we move forward, regardless of what label we decide to pin on it.

            Or perhaps another way to say it is - the only labels we should be working to avoid are poor, hungry and homeless.

            • Posted By: LDJ Alabama @ 10/30/2008 12:40:50 PM

              The tax system was set up to maintain law and order? I thought the tax system was set up to fund government.

              RESPONSE: I'm assuming that it was setup for various important Gov. functions, including Federal and Local Law Enforcement, Fire, Schools, Library's and other important social programs. Although fiscally, I'm a conservative, I do believe that Social Security is very important. And! I'm not even eligible of SS. I have a private retirement system. Nonetheless, I look at the Big Pic!

              How is it that changing the tax code to give relief to the middle class is socialism, but government bailing out the banks is not?

              RESPONSE: I totally opposed the bail-outs!!! In fact, I wrote my local senators and congressman regarding my personal feelings on CORPORATE WELFARE. IT'S BS!!! I say out with current NeoConvicts, down with the Democrooks, and in with the Maverick Team!

              JOHN MC CAIN / SARAH PALIN '08!!!

              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 1:05:24 PM

                "I totally opposed the bail-outs!!! In fact, I wrote my local senators and congressman regarding my personal feelings on CORPORATE WELFARE. IT'S BS!!! I say out with current NeoConvicts, down with the Democrooks, and in with the Maverick Team!"

                McCain voted for the bailout.

                • Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/30/2008 4:18:17 PM

                  So did Obama. Neither liked the bill, but both candidates voted for it to prevent economic collapse.

            • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 10/30/2008 1:04:37 PM

              "The tax system was set up to maintain law and order? I thought the tax system was set up to fund government. "

              Cops, firemen, and the military. Regulatory agencies, etc.

              So, yeah. Law and order.

        • Posted By: bojack27 @ 10/30/2008 12:05:34 PM

          Which Seniors do you mean? The one that have paid into the system or the ones that President Carter allowed to collect money from without being citizens or ever paying a dime into the system?

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 10/30/2008 12:15:42 PM

        Yeah we know Goldwater 1964 socialism. In his day however it was called manipulation. The party says - let smear with old ideas, and let the really ignorant followers pass it on. It can't possibly be true - but they'll say it anyway without even blinking. The fun part is that they won't even know it.

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