Chrysler, R.I.P.

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  • Posted By: relocatedramsfan @ 10/31/2008 5:26:10 PM

    Of course Chrysler is doomed. Anyone who has worked in the home improvement industry could have told you that when Nardelli became CEO. See there used to be this home improvement industry leader named Home Depot,. Well they appointed Nardelli CEO one day. Let's just say that more than one Lowe's executive has said that Nardelli as CEO of Home Depot was one of the best things that could have ever happened for Lowe's. Home Depot started it's decline and all the time Lowe's became more and more of a powerhouse.

    When Chrysler goes belly up just keep an eye out for where Nardelli ends up next. If you own stock in that next company, as soon as they pull out the chair for Nardelli, sell that stock otherwise it won't be worth much later.

  • Posted By: k48103 @ 10/31/2008 5:19:51 PM

    GM's plan is inefficient and not in the taxpayers' interest.

    GM borrowing gov't $ to get Chrysler's already borrowed $ for operating capital? Why not just get the operating capital loan direct from the gov't?

    Also, how does GM's plan benefit taxpayer when it appears to increase job losses and decrease competition when GM has no use for most of Chrysler. Cerberus can breakup Chrysler (as will GM) and sell (rather than mothball) pieces directly to firm's that value them and keep more employed. Many, including GM, value Chrysler's minivans and Jeeps. Some, like Renault/Nissan, may value the new pickup line and dealer network. A few, like Chinese and Indian auto manufacturers, may value the car lines and dealer network.

  • Posted By: BLUEDUSTER @ 10/31/2008 5:16:47 PM

    another question, what happens to all the employees at the THOUSANDS of chrysler dealers?

  • Posted By: BLUEDUSTER @ 10/31/2008 5:12:22 PM

    this is a farce. GM is the dying dinosaur of a company here, not chrysler. other than the vette, nothing in the gm line-up has been truely a new platform in years. their engines outside of the LS series are junk. they owe more in pensions than they can ever pay. what is wrong with this picture? GM is the company that needs to die.

  • Posted By: k48103 @ 10/31/2008 4:55:44 PM

    GM's plan is to borrow gov't $ to buy Chrysler so that GM may use Chrysler's borrowed $? What happened to delevering?

    Why doesn't GM just borrowed $ for operating captial, then Ceberus can sell-off Chrysler's bits to the highest bidder? Several (including GM) would likely bid on Minivans and Jeeps. Some (Renault/Nissan, but not GM) would bid on pickups and dealer network, and a some (Chinese firms, but definitely not GM) may even value the car lines.

    Why should we fund GM's purchase in Chrysler if it maximizes job losses and decreases competition?

  • Posted By: Who-R-You @ 10/31/2008 4:33:05 PM

    I am puzzled as to why everyone wants to write Chrysler off so quickly. With around $10 billion in cash, they seem to be doing ok compared to GM, hence the reason GM wants to purchase the company. So if the merger never happens and things remain the same Chrysler still has close to $10 billion dollars, and what does GM have? Chrysler stated this past week that it is resizing itself to realign with the changing economic problems. The company still has viability to it. Never count these guys out, there is a scrapiness to them that remains even though ownership has changed over the years. The issues with the union will work themselves out and the industry will change, but one thing remains the same: People still need Automobiles to get to and from work.

  • Posted By: WalkerUSA @ 10/31/2008 4:25:15 PM

    Dear vstillwell,

    You folk blame the politicians?

    It isn't Republicans or Democrats or Greenies or Libertarians. Our society is made up of selfish, cheating, self-serving hedonistic hypocrites, including you. You think "everyone for themselves" was only going to happen in New Orleans after Katrina?

    You ain't seen anything yet - this will take years to clean up and if democracies around the world survive at all it will be a much different world by 2020.

  • Posted By: hbrand @ 10/31/2008 3:48:57 PM

    I think it is crazy to blame the unions. They weren't the ones who designed bad cars. And why shouldn't workers be able to band together to negotiate with corporations, which are nothing more than other people banding together to share the risk. Seems like you need to find another scapegoat. American car makers built lousy cars that fell apart by 100K miles, not generally so with Toyota, Honda etc.

    • Posted By: txxcc @ 10/31/2008 4:19:01 PM

      My father was a union employee at GM for 20+ years - now retired. So I have some direct basis for my response. As the world changes, so must the products that we all need and buy. Typerwriters gave way to word processors, and word processors to printers, and printers to electronic documents. At GM, unions force an infamous thing called the Job Banks program - which basically provided 98% of ongoing pay to idled workers. Furthermore, the union limited the amount and type of factory automation that could be utilized. My father was a tool maker - ie, he made the molds and dies that are used to stamp out parts. During his career, he had to dismantle robots and other automation systems because the union complained that they violated work agreements.

      So given the cost structure imposed by the unions and the manufacturing infrastructure, GM and its Detriot counterparts were best suited to make trucks and SUVs. And they made very good products - despite direct competition from Mercedes, BMW, Infiniti, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus and even Honda. Its no coincide that all of Detriot was good at trucks and SUVs - they were basically limited to that category. The rest of their product lines actually lost money.

      It is interesting to note that all of Mercedes, BWM, Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai plants in the US are not unionized by choice of the emplyees themselves. The best way to achieve job security is by having a healthy, profitable company. And allowing that company to utilize technology available to gain a competitive advantage. Yes, in some cases, factories that make an obsolete product will be closed or retooled, and some employees may be furloughed. But that is far superior to having the entire company go down.

      No doubt that the management of the US car companies, at least today, are quite enept. But it is the union workers that screw the cars together and that aspect of quality - while improving - is also not at the level of the competition. Again, union agreements make it very hard to fire workers for cause. My father complained bitterly that non skilled and just plain lazy workers were protected by the system. The unions pushed to too much for too long and the bill is now due. Unfortunately.

  • Posted By: WalkerUSA @ 10/31/2008 4:16:42 PM

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    It is sad but all things must end; unfortunately in this show "the fat lady has sung, changed her clothes and left the building".

    We need to retool more than the automotive industry - America is watching it's fall, in color and on cable and the elected leader will not be able to change a thing.

  • Posted By: WalkerUSA @ 10/31/2008 4:15:47 PM

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    It is sad but all things must end; unfortunately in this show "the fat lady has sung, changed her clothes and left the building".

    We need to retool more than the automotive industry - America is watching it's fall, in color and on cable and the elected leader will not be able to change a thing.

  • Posted By: retired2002 @ 10/31/2008 4:10:13 PM

    It is all a management problem. Management has not looked over its shoulder to see what the competition is doing. If it can give out big union settlements and compete, then OK. But if the competition is closing in, then management needs to sharpen its pencil and tell the unions that it cannot afford the demands. It is management that gives the unions their power as they have the money. (The man who has the gold makes the rules.) Management lately has been rolling happily down the road not minding their business and assuming that they can pass the costs along to the customer. The customers are finally getting wise and are saying no!!! Now the difficult part is how to back track with the Union to get everything balanced again. One of the problems lately is that management has been squeezing its engineers with no raises and reduced benefits with the idea of saving money to the point that they cannot attract good talent to redesign new cars. Now what do they do? It is all a management problem in that they have not been watching their business and they even get bonuses for their lack of awareness.

  • Posted By: retired2002 @ 10/31/2008 4:09:49 PM

    It is all a management problem. Management has not looked over its shoulder to see what the competition is doing. If it can give out big union settlements and compete, then OK. But if the competition is closing in, then management needs to sharpen its pencil and tell the unions that it cannot afford the demands. It is management that gives the unions their power as they have the money. (The man who has the gold makes the rules.) Management lately has been rolling happily down the road not minding their business and assuming that they can pass the costs along to the customer. The customers are finally getting wise and are saying no!!! Now the difficult part is how to back track with the Union to get everything balanced again. One of the problems lately is that management has been squeezing its engineers with no raises and reduced benefits with the idea of saving money to the point that they cannot attract good talent to redesign new cars. Now what do they do? It is all a management problem in that they have not been watching their business and they even get bonuses for their lack of awareness.

  • Posted By: backwhen @ 10/31/2008 3:37:53 PM

    Wish there was some way GM could be kept from canabalizing Chrysler.

  • Posted By: Vote Now @ 10/31/2008 1:23:14 PM

    orn is just another invented issue.
    All the group does is register new voters . They pay people 8 bucks a hour a help people
    fill out registration forms and then turn them in. By law they are required to turn in ballots people fill out that dont seem credible. But they seperate them from the normal ballots and inform election officials when they turn them in. As a example If somone fills out a ballot that says donald duck they still have to turn that ballot in , but since there really is no donald duck and no one to show up and vote with a id that matches that registration on election day . It will zero effect on anything and all this is is a waste time
    Also all ballots acorn marks as fishy are also investigated and checked against state records to make sure they are real people if not they are thrown out.
    It not fraud and no one can vote without proper ID
    So let move on to something that matters like the fact we are going in to the next great depression
    and that mccain says he doesnt understand the economy
    Can we talk about the war, the national debt <11 trillion>, The housing market, the job market,health care,global warming.
    Are things so great we need to invent issues like acorn ?
    or is it the gop has no answers to the mess they have created in the last 8 years?
    Let talk about things that will improve our lifes and not something no one cares about.
    And let throw out the poeple that created this mess
    they dont deserve a chance to make things worse
    Please vote early election day will be a mess

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 10/31/2008 2:13:12 PM

      What does this have to do with GM and Chrysler?

  • Posted By: Anticrisis @ 10/31/2008 1:17:55 PM

    Dig deeper - there's a lot more to this story

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