Counting On Wal-Mart Women

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  • Posted By: Dolmance @ 11/01/2008 6:23:44 PM

    The Republican's way back to being relevant is simple. They have to become honest. And they can't just cherry pick what they think they can get away with. They have to excise the entire antisocial, narcissistic and histrionic character disorders they seem to demonstrate and jettison them entirely. This will necessitate getting rid of the old guard and bringing in the new. And as an honest party, they'll have to lose their base - the super right wing Southerners still smarting over the end of Jim Crow and the Religious Right, because a party that panders to that crowd is dishonest by definition. So it's going to be a long slog.

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 11/01/2008 7:47:04 PM


      They do have to re-define their party, although I don't think they will. Here's the rub, the same demographic they are relying on used to be staunchly Democrat until the '60s and '70s. That voting block was lost as a result of LBJ support for Civil Rights and Roe v. Wade (as an aside, most people don't know that most Republican politicians DO NOT want to see it repelled - the last thing they want is that issue on the ballot again - since 85% of people support it). But Republicans have left their party be hijacked by very radical people which the growing number of youths and minorities in this country simple cannot identify with. I haven't seen a single Hispanic or Black person in the staff surrounding McCain and while I can understand that he (realistically) has to count on the predominantly White conservative vote, he is not helping himself with minorities while ignoring our issues. Even Bush knew better than that. Bush! This is do or die for the Republicans.

      It's like a pendulum, during the 1990s some left wing groups were allowed too much room and influence, even as a small "d" Democrat I couldn't relate to those people. In the last eight years the Republicans have shoved a far right wing agenda that has disenchanted people as well. For what I've seen, Obama is going to be socially liberal but govern from the center.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 11/02/2008 11:42:41 AM

        I voted for Reagan twice, and now consider it a mistake as it began the rise of the Bush Crime Family to presidential power. I was young and in the service.
        The Republicna party needs to be for something again. They have been against everything forever.

      • Posted By: TommyB53 @ 11/02/2008 11:13:52 AM

        No, they will not redefine their party, because whenever they lose they always say it's because they didn't do enough of what they got voted out for.

  • Posted By: grose314 @ 11/02/2008 11:19:49 AM

    This is an egregious activity when the party that has been elected to govern our country uses profiles based on socio demographic information only to portray its constituents as one dimentional segments of the population. This totally misses the point that its attitudes, world views and emotional ties that define the behavior of any individual when they vote for a president who will govern and protect the constitution of the country they love like every freedom loving American. Kudos to the Obama Campaign who is able to find a unifying goal and vision that everyone can identify with that hits at the heart of the core concept that makes the American Nation, one-vote, one voice amid the sea of voices but in unison is heard loud and clear across all nations, we will no longer be witness to the corrupt politics of the present regime! Its time for the change ! Goes to show the Republicans they can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the time.

  • Posted By: FrustratedReader @ 11/02/2008 11:16:03 AM

    The assumptions about Wal-Mart women both in the article and by the posters here are appalling. Perhaps someone should research just how many women working at Wal-Mart do have a degree and I am not talking about those in the management program. I am talking about Wal-Mart "associates."

    It's clear to see that some things haven't changed as we are still stereotyping women, Wal-Mart associates and by association those that shop there.

  • Posted By: DaveDiana @ 11/02/2008 8:34:54 AM

    So, are you saying there isn't any truth to the claims of media bias?

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 11/02/2008 11:10:51 AM

      No, there is plenty of truth to the claims of media bias .

      Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and conservative talk radio have been so viciously anti-Obama and anti-Hilary it makes me sick.

      They aren't content to just debate the issues, they engage in lies, slander, and character assassignation. In fact, they prefer those tactics to debating the issues.

      Their media bias, racial bias, and gender bias (except , conveniently, for Saint Sarah) is so blatant that the rest of us are stunned when we hear them say they think the media is pro-Obama.

  • Posted By: grose314 @ 11/02/2008 11:09:30 AM

    Its an egregious activity when an entire party of our 2 party system behaves and uses their "intelligence" to profile their constituents and describe them in socio-demographic terms without thought to their attitudes and emotional reasons for choosing a president to run the government that they believe in as freedon loving Americans like everyone else! Unlike The Obama campaign, that has found a unifying goal and vision that elevates the individual to that concept that is the cornerstone of the American Nation, one vote - one voice - that counts amid the sea of voices but in unison, it is heard loud and clear to all nations that America will not succumb to the corrupt politics of the last regime any longer !

  • Posted By: FloridaSun @ 11/02/2008 11:07:55 AM

    I guess I fit the McCain's description of a Wal-Mart woman because I do not have a college degree and make less than $60K. The only thing is I do not shop at Wal-Mart, I do not in any way relate to Sarah Palin nor would I want to, and I voted for Obama 3 weeks ago and that label sounds totally degrading. I think McCain fails to realize that women are smarter than he thinks they are and giving them a disparaging label is not going to get him more votes - he clearly does not respect women given his past actions and comments.

  • Posted By: jpetersx2 @ 11/02/2008 10:50:17 AM

    I think the fact that McCain calls women in this category "Wal Mart women" is reprehensible. I hold two degrees from Texas Tech University and have never had a career that paid more than $60,000. Not even close! There are MANY professional women with college degrees who shop at Wal Mart. We shop here because we are struggling to save every cent that we can in this economic disaster brought about by the McCain/Bush economic policies of the last eight years. Once again, McCain proves that he is out of touch!

  • Posted By: BlueTexan @ 11/02/2008 10:49:53 AM

    Wal-Mart Women...how degrading, regardless of education, salary, or whether you shop there or not.

    Pigeon-holing groups of people like that is perhaps one of the worst ways that McCain's pollsters and campaign advisers screwed up. They got a pretty spokes model wearing Chanel to spew soliloquies to all the Joe Six-Packs and Hockey Moms (who probably now also fall into the Wal-Mart Women category), and now they're shocked that, gasp, even "little-women" who don't make a lot of money have enough brains to see through the muck.

    Rather than campaigning as if our country were in the worst shape it's been in almost a century with people truly suffering because of it, they continue to use the Bush model of campaigning with catchy slogans and talking down to people. It's as if they don't realize that the majority of educated people - both men and women - don't make that much money a year (at least here in Texas). They are putting a lot of people in that category, and with or without the money and education they talk about, that term is degrading.

    I never had a real problem with McCain (aside from not agreeing with most of his policies), until this campaign. It has been run with the attitude that Americans are either gun-toting hillbillies or America-hating liberals. The days of neatly categorizing large groups of people like that are over. It's time for the Republicans to take a note from the Obama campaign and plan a little more intelligently in 2012 - at least if they want to get the vote of some of the "lower forms of life" they can't seem to hold onto this go-around.

  • Posted By: tae34 @ 11/02/2008 10:45:02 AM

    Bravo Eleanor Clift. Great article and keep it coming. Time to renew my subscription to Newsweek!! I wonder if Adam and Eve were Republicans...After the first sin,Adam blamed Eve and God( for giving him Eve) and Eve blamed the serpent. And to this day,few people want to look in the mirror for their problems,especially the Repugnicans. I only hope that Obama is up to the task of fixing the overwhelming damage done to this nation and its reputation by Bushco and the Republican Taliban

  • Posted By: Omnius @ 11/02/2008 10:35:05 AM

    Excellent article Eleanor! I was laughing when that internal McNasty campaign memo got leaked as I knew it was just another lie to prop up a losing campaign and give their foolish faithful a feeling of false hope. Maybe the Wal-Mart women were seduced by the siren song of Tinkle Down economics the past 28 years but I think that now they've seen the light that it only gave them the wrong kind of Golden Shower. I bet they're pretty mad and disappopinted at being lied to for so long and now they're going to srike back on Election Day by voting for Obama.

    Nope we're witnessing thankfully the end of Ronny Raygunz's Great Right Lie about how giving the rich and greedy big tax cuts they don't need or deserve helps out those below them. It's about time for some proper government regulation to stop the corporate robber barons from stealing us blind while piling up massive debts for future generations to struggle paying off.

    Hey watching you on MSNBC tv right now with Alex Witt. I so can't wait for Tuesday night and watching Mcnasty and his little Twisted Sister concede to the landslide victory for Obama/Biden.

  • Posted By: tda12345 @ 11/02/2008 7:36:25 AM

    Do not speak for me and do not underestimate the disgruntled Hillary supporter. We have not been polled because we are not answering the phone. Perhaps the women in the Party leadership have fallen in line but not the rank and file. I will continue to be astounded by the treatment of a highly qualified female candidate by the media and the Party leadership.

    • Posted By: TommyB53 @ 11/02/2008 10:20:48 AM

      So, in your anger over the way you perceive Hillary was treated during the primaries, you are prepared to support someone who will maintain a corporate war machine that has needlessly killed thousands and robbed the U.S. Treasury of billions of taxpayer dollars and given them to the no-bid corporations that are Cheney's buddies (socialism)? You're willing to see more young American men and women sent to their deaths because you're angry over Hillary? The surge has not worked, m'am. It has been made to appear to work because we are now giving over 9,000 insurgents regular monthly checks not to shoot at us (more socialism). We are renting a temporary lull in the violence without any restrictions on what these insurgents can spend all this money on, or guarentees on what they won't do against us once the money flow stops. And you're willing to vote for this because you're angry over Hillary? Why? Because you have the same plumbing she does? I implore you, m'am, to take a step back and take a look at the big picture and realize the fallacy of such a position, especially if you might be a mother with children. I don't know you but surely you must be smarter than this. The other day, I saw a mother with two young boys wearing a McCain/Palin sweatshirt. I thought to myself it was rather like a mother hen wearing a sweatshirt that says "Tyson" on it. McCain may not be a neo-con, but here is no way the neo-con war mongers have agreed to support McCain unless he has agreed to do their bidding once elected. Is that what you want? Is it worth the needless deaths of more Americans and Iraqis just so you can get over your personal anger?.

    • Posted By: debradebra @ 11/02/2008 7:58:22 AM

      Feel free to be astounded. But voting for an anti choice Republican woman will in no way honor HIllary's run for office. She fought for choice and freedom of speech and all those silly freedoms that the GOP has been chipping away. She asked that you vote for Obama. it's still your choice obviously but I don't know what voting for the party that ran against her will do for her or our country.

  • Posted By: MTR1973 @ 11/02/2008 10:14:53 AM

    I think it's interesting that 44 years after Goldwater, the tired GOP tactic of blaming the media is still in use. If the media is truly that biased towards the left and has been for so long, what does it say about the ineffectiveness of the GOP to fix it? Their lame attempts at "leveling the playing field" - FOX "News", Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter - are so far to the right that nobody takes them seriously, and rightfully (no pun intended) so.

    And those of you who claim that the press doesn't report on Biden and Obama's gaffes are seeing/hearing what you want to see/hear and ignoring the rest. The Biden quote on Obama being "tested" was not only widely reported in the media, they chopped off the second half in which Biden extolled Obama's 'spine of steel' because it made the quote less sensational and, for the most part, a circuitous compliment gone awry.

    Could it be that McCain got more negative press because he said and did a hell of a lot of REALLY stupid things? The Palin selection has proven to be the biggest of his stupid decisions, but less because of her clear incompetence for national leadership as for his complete and utter lack of vetting her. Then we have the hate-mongering campaign tactics, his shocking behavior in light of the economic meltdown, etc etc.. honestly, had there been anything terribly positive to report on, it would have happened, but he made a string of bad decisions and was never able to get out of response mode when the repercussions to those decisions came to pass. And don't even get me started on the ridiculousness of Joe the Plumber - even the most idiotic among us are tired of McCain campaigning as though we have much of ANYTHING in common with him. When you turn some unknown idiot into your campaign idol and he is almost instantly too busy securing an agent, a book deal and the pursuit of a recording contract that he's too busy/distracted to show up at your campaign rally, does it make a ton of sense for you to in turn publically laud him as a hero?

    If McCain had run a viable campaign with serious concern for serious issues while at the same time sidestepping the ridiculousness that has embroiled his campaign, it might have been a different result. That's not, however, the way things went down, and to blame the media is a juvenile attempt at maintaining the comfy but dangerous status quo of searing denial that too many in this country have wrapped themselves in for far too long.

  • Posted By: tinaweha @ 11/02/2008 1:34:49 AM

    Walmart women don't understand tax structure and how higher taxes will affect them.

    • Posted By: skywoman03 @ 11/02/2008 10:11:46 AM

      How ignorant of comment was that? What you makes you an expert on what "Walmart Women" think or know?

  • Posted By: buddydog @ 11/02/2008 10:10:31 AM

    If the press has been overwhelmingly in favor of covering Obama, it's because Obama has had more to say on the issues. McCain has been the light hearted break, kind of like watching a humorous commercial. He has nothing more the people want to hear, so he just runs laughable attack ads that a moron can see through.His plan for leading the country excludes most Americans in favor of the wealthy and the religious right, which got old really fast. Who wants four more years of Bush except the people who voted for Bush the last two elections.

    People are tired of slaving for the wealthy and getting less and less for their efforts. Being asked to do the work of two or three people, less time for their families, bad health, stress and less benefits..., it goes on and on. McCain is one *** away from a heart attack and many thinking people are afraid of having an Evangelical Ayatollah in the White House. This isn't the fifteenth century. We'll all be required to have a big statue of Jesus in our bedrooms, no doubt outfitted with a camera in its eyes to make sure we are only having sex with in the parameters of a one man one woman marriage, using the missionary position and no birth control. Citizens with other proclivities will be burned at the stake.

  • Posted By: Logans_mom @ 11/02/2008 7:41:34 AM

    Geraldine Ferraro, who had nothing good to say about Obama during the primaries, has even endorsed him. McCain has just been endorsed by Dick Cheney. The choice is clear, America.

    • Posted By: skywoman03 @ 11/02/2008 10:07:52 AM

      Dick Cheney endorsing McCain! SO WHAT! I would expect for Cheney to endorse McCain, they are cut from the same corrupt cloth!

  • Posted By: Sassy Lady @ 11/02/2008 10:06:39 AM

    If the GOP wants to save their party, they need to look into the "mirror of flaws" in themselves. It has become an "all-white" and predominantly "old and bald" group of seniors with a few rednecks and evangelicals thrown in. Pointing fingers at the media doesn't solve anything. They no longer "look like America". That's not the media's fault; the GOP did it to themselves.

  • Posted By: abadreview @ 11/02/2008 9:59:51 AM

    Yeah...um...screw Wal-Mart. I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign is aware of the White Trash vote, and the fact that McCain/Palin are their idols. It won't stop Obama from winnikng by a landslide. Just as McCain's campaign people have screwed up every aspect of this campaign, they are wrong about this as well. Worst campaign in many years.

    OBAMA/BIDEN 08
    YES WE CAN CHANGE THE WORLD

  • Posted By: P.M. @ 11/02/2008 9:49:20 AM

    We have had a long stretch of the Republican policies of trickle-down and deregulation... It has failed and cost the middle class in this country dearly. No matter what McCain now says, he has always been a champion of deregulation and the public knows it. So, with the exception of the hard-core Repulican faithful, the country is ready for someone to change the standing policies. This is what is going to hurt the Republican party this election. The numerous failures of the present administration have just added nails to the coffin.

  • Posted By: dobejudj @ 11/02/2008 9:41:06 AM

    It is not sexism when Wal Mart women (I shop there does that count) want a smart, knowledgeable, honest, woman as an official. Heck, I want a woman smarter than I am in government positions rather than trying to figure out the job description of VP. Pretty sad that she said she would take a job and does not even know what that job entails. Even Wal Mart women (and shoppers) are smarter than that!

  • Posted By: Sedona Bound @ 11/02/2008 9:39:46 AM

    I would be what is considered a "Wal-Mart" woman, although I detest having to spend what money I do make there.
    McCain is a Republican and as far as I'm concerned, the Republican support of corporate greed over the years is what got us in this mess in the first place.
    His choice of Palin as a running mate is frightful! It doesn't appear she could run Alaska and the thought of her being President should anything happen to McCain if he were elected President makes my hair turn white!
    Oops - off to Wal-Mart for some inexpensive hair color!

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