Long Live U.S. Imperialism

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  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 10/31/2008 10:28:19 PM

    This extremely flabbergasting mentality of the US imperialism.

    It is precisely the unnecessary American military adventurism and intervention that largely contributed to the current US financial turmoil, inevitably dragging down the global economy to shambles.

    Does the world really need a cop?

    Granted that it does, it needs not be the American cop -- the once mighty law enforcers have outlived their usefulness. Perhaps, a well coordinated UN police force may be the one capable of doing a better job.
    (Tan Boon Tee)

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/01/2008 9:19:55 AM

      The United Nations is a corrupt joke. I do not know of one nation that will just hand it's security over to the blue helmeted force. Besides, those blue helmets and berets often have American heads under them.
      Laugh if you wish at the comeuppance of Bush, but do not assume his time's end means America is down, hardly. Obama is not a limp-<Expletive> nor is McCain. Both get that American power is both necessary, and desirable. The difference is in the willingness to use it and where.
      We do spend more on defense than the next several nations in line, cumulative, and we get quality people and equipment. We have a professional force.
      We also have some very corrupt contractors who have not done well by us.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 10/31/2008 4:24:14 PM

    It's either imperialism or traffic cop, not both.

    Is our aircraft carrier in Japan because we insist that it be there (imperialism), or because theJapanese asked us to be there (traffic cop)?

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/01/2008 8:54:36 AM

      It is in our national interests to be there. Until the worlds economies are off of oil, we have to keep those routes open. There is a few hundred years of hate amongst themselves that is tamped by our presence. When we show up with 2-3 carriers, we can take out the military forces of any country on earth.
      There are people who won't understand how unhinged things will be if we just unilaterally walk away from what we have been doing, until the effects cause them to starve. Then they will blame the military for not preventing it.
      Peace will not just merrily break out the world over. Billy Joel sang "We didn't start the Fire." He was right.
      Re read the article critically. This is part of the cost of a world commercial system.

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 10/31/2008 4:37:44 PM

      The George Washington is replacing the Kitty Hawk, a conventional powered carrier that is being decommissioned. That leaves only the Enterprise, which is nuclear, as the only non-Nimitz class carrier in the Navy main fleet. The US had Kitty Hawk permanently stationed in Japan prior to this, so it is a swap, not a new assignment. The main objection from Japan was that of nuclear power. Officially, US surface ships do not carry nuclear weapons.

      • Posted By: visitor @ 11/01/2008 8:19:17 AM

        BS, BS, and more BS...........

  • Posted By: davidwayneosedach @ 10/31/2008 6:56:27 PM

    What good is having the world's most expensive and strongest military if there is not a war?

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 11/01/2008 7:36:37 AM

      Why do we have the world's most expensive military if there is no war? Good question. The answer is that having overwhelming force prevents war. When the President wants to project US influence anywhere outside of the US he sends the carriers in the article. We can't tell for sure, but very often the prescence of a carrier strike group off the shore convinces two or more other parties to settle their differences without war. I have heard on educational programs where a carrier might go an entire 6 month tour in the Gulf region without dropping a single bomb from any of its 80 aircraft. But those 80 aircraft overhead keep the bad guy's heads down so that the ground troops are safer and more effective. They save lives and keep the number of US boots on the ground way down. We have the military to keep the peace. The price of allowing a war to happen is far more than the price of the military buildup.

      • Posted By: visitor @ 11/01/2008 8:20:14 AM

        BS, BS, and more BS...........

  • Posted By: Logan Lewis @ 10/31/2008 4:43:00 PM

    Whoa, whoa, whoa......Sorry, Holly but "probably" doesn't cut it when it comes to killing and costly wars. I think that taxpaying Americans need real reasons why the majority of the US budget for the past few years have been spent on the Iraq war. And Gulf War I was Gulf War I....1992. This is not the same world and Iraq was NOT the same country militarily or financially. The US fought the spread of communism by economic means and not war. So what, exactly, were the urgent reasons to declare war on Iraq? Why did we go so quickly? Why not heed the warnings of other superpowers? Are we that intelligent and bold and they so ignorant and weak?

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 11/01/2008 7:17:33 AM

      To Logan Lewis: when it comes to killing and costly wars probably is all that a country may have. We fought the same country, with the same leadership, and the same power structure in Gulf Wars I and II. The US fought communism by using the economic cost of military buildup, so it was a real war. Those were Russian MIGs and Russian SAMs in North Vietnam, with Russina military advisers. So there was a real shooting war along with the nuclear cold war. Why do we go so quickly? We do so because if we wait for my 'probablys' to become your 'certaintys' the cost becomes much, much higher. And the cost of the Iraq war, in terms of both human lives and percentage of the national GDP, is dirt cheap relative to past wars. Our current casualty total in Iraq is equal to about the casualty count of 6 HOURS at the battle of Antietam. Why do we not heed the warnings of other superpowers? Because we think for ourselves.

      • Posted By: visitor @ 11/01/2008 8:19:30 AM

        BS, BS, and more BS...........

  • Posted By: Logan Lewis @ 10/31/2008 4:15:28 PM

    I remember Kosovo and I remember the reluctance. I remember how desperately the Balkans needed the United States to come to their aid. I remember there was a REAL coalition of nations involved in the liberation of the Kosovo refugees. I also remember the "reasons" for the Iraq war and the arguments for it's commission. I do not, however, remember a validated need to remove Sadaam Hussein from power. On a list of oppressive leaders around the world, I doubt Sadaam would rank as high as some other leaders still in power. The world does not need a crooked cop patrolling the waters. It needs a cop with a conscience, not one masking it's intentions. And a real leader listens to those around him. As much as Americans devalue the opinion of the French, Venezuelans, Russians, and others; they are educated human beings who have a different and valuable world view. We must lead them to not be self-serving, a trait that many would not account to your average American.

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 10/31/2008 4:32:02 PM

      In reply to Logan Lewis and the reasons for taking out Saddam: I notice that while the WMD was not accurate, the rest of the world put up only token resistance. When Israel took out Saddam's reactor the world publicly objected, even the US, but everyone privately breathed a sigh of relief. Nobody cared whether Iraq had WMD, and nobody really cared that Israel attacked Iraq. And Saddam gassed the Kurd and invaded Kuwait. He showed no signs of regret or change after Gulf War I. That's a good reason to take him out. We were listening to the rest of the world, at least behind closaed doors. Venezuela, Russia and the others may oppose our actions in Iraq publicly, but they are probably happy to have Saddam gone privately. Even Iran has been much quieter than it could have been.

      • Posted By: visitor @ 11/01/2008 8:18:42 AM

        BS, BS, and more BS...........

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 10/31/2008 4:52:10 PM

        i think all of what you stated are your own personal opinions...i was terrified when we went into iraq, i had friends and family in the military, and now some are dead or missing limbs...you speak for yourself...

        most of the world is VERY VERY angry and disapointed with us...

        • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 11/01/2008 7:01:50 AM

          I created a misunderstanding. I did not clarify that I was speaking of governments, not individuals when I talked of 'everyone'. My apologies. I have lost freinds and family in wars, too. But, as the saying goes, freedom isn't free.

  • Posted By: pchgo @ 11/01/2008 7:35:32 AM

    To Mr. Caryl, I thought your article was very good, very simple and straight forward and logical, I have
    been saying the same thing for years since the Balkens War, At that time there was an excellent cartoon
    where four houses were standing in a row, one British, one French, one German and one Balken which was
    burning, the owners of the British, French and German homes were screaming "will someone the Americans to out this fire !!!! Yes you are absolutely correct, these nations states do not trust each other.
    I am sure our next administration will do a better job with trust and its policeing powers. Keeeo up the good
    work Mr. Caryl

  • Posted By: Uninterested @ 10/31/2008 5:57:49 PM

    Following the fall of the Roman Empire - and by empire I mean entire countries, people, assets, all placed under the direct control of Rome - the world was plunged into the Dark Ages. America has - far from it - gotten everything right, but then again, what would those highly critical of it yearn for, that Russia held this role, China? In the end, given all our blemishes and warts, the world can let out a collective sigh of relief in knowing that, given the alternatives, Americans took the initiative, paid the bill, took the criticism, as surely anyone in this role would, and kept the world "checked" while one by one nations around the world revert from communism, totalitarianism and all the other misguided "isms". It's easy game to find America wanting until your consider the alternatives.

    • Posted By: audie @ 10/31/2008 8:49:03 PM

      Having just spent 3 years living in Germany (which has a consistent $300-400 billion/yr trade surplus), I can assure you that not all nations have reverted to communism, totalitarianism, etc. I suspect there would be a great deal less of this America-is-the-greatest-and-only hubris in America if more Americans traveled and lived abroad. Probably you will argue that we made Germany what it is today, but its not 1930 now and one might reasonably argue after the murder and mayhem we have caused in Iraq, we've stared into the abyss and the abyss stared back. We do not have clean hands now.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/31/2008 10:06:45 PM

        Please return to Germany, schnell, Herr Douchebag

  • Posted By: MICKYmouse @ 10/31/2008 8:47:22 PM

    My suspicion is sometime early next year, the US will send troops to Dafur, a little late but oh well.

    Then we will send some troops and ships to fight pirates off of Somalia.

    Some troopt to Ivory Coast to help keep the peace there.

    Then the big question will be what to do about the civil war in the Congo and what side to support.

    Also, the World Health Org. has put out a nice report about the need for redistibuting some world wealth to the medical needs of poor African nations where life expectancy is appalingly short.

    The next four years could be the best thing that has happened to Africa in the last 500 years.

  • Posted By: Uninterested @ 10/31/2008 5:49:08 PM

    Following the fall of the Roman Empire - and by empire I mean entire countries, people, assets, all placed under the direct control of Rome - the world was plunged into the Dark Ages. America has - far from it - gotten everything right, but then again, what would those highly critical of it yearn for, that Russia held this role, China? In the end, given all our blemishes and warts, the world can let out a collective sigh of relief in knowing that, given the alternatives, Americans took the initiative, paid the bill, took the criticism, as surely anyone in this role would, and kept the world "checked" while one by one nations around the world revert from communism, totalitarianism and all the other misguided "isms". It's easy game to find America wanting until your consider the alternatives.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 10/31/2008 5:43:17 PM

    The genocide in Darfur first broke out in 2004. What was Congress doing? They were trying to create a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage. This whole idea of the US as a tough cop is nonsense. Our military is in shambles because of our ill-advised foray into Iraq. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a mad-man but we have committed a genocide there presumably to prevent a genocide. Does that make sense? We did intervene to try to prevent a genocide in Bosnia - although I have real problems with the decisions to bomb Beograd which was carpet bombed by the Nazis in 1941. (The Nazis conducted a genocide against the Serbs, with help from the Croats.) However, from my own trips into Croatia and Montenegro credit should go to Clinton's peace keeping team , including Ron Brown. (Dubrovnik even has a little museum in Ron Brown's honor.)
    Truth told, if we want to be a"cop.", then we'd better find a way of paying for it. That;s the reason that Obama's tax plan makes more sense than McCain's. Secondly, we need to stop starting wars - or siding with one group of political or religious fanatics - something we've constantly done in the past. We also need to empahsize mediation over military interventions. Finally, as Clinton stated, "we need to provide the power of your example over an example of our power." In other words, we need to set a good role model.
    For the last few weeks, McCain and Palin have engaged in a shamless display of racial hatred. They have attacked Muslims, Arabs, African-americans, people with funny names. Their rallies resemble cross between a KKK cross burning and an anti-Semitic rally in Central in the 1930's.
    A few weeks ago, according to a report by David Niewart in the Huffington Post, a group of Palin's fans conducted a group interview for a press crew. They not only used the shameful n-g word to describe Obama but they also attacked Muslims, African-Americans and Arabs. The press crew recording this display of bigotry was from al-Jazeera. How does this display of intolerance resound in the rest of the world? Just recently on Newsweek.com. I've read reports of attacks on Christians in both India and Iraq. Already the hatred and intolerance generated by the McCain and Palin campaign is spreading elsewhere. What will happen once Palin and McCain are elected?
    Truth told: if we want to be the world's cop and prevent genocides, we'd better elect Obama and his Democratic allies. If we want to banish hatred and intolerance in the rest of the world, we must begin at home

  • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 10/31/2008 4:51:07 PM

    "The United States was short on cash long before this latest crisis hit, but that didn't stop it from continuing to build up the world's most formidable military".

    Yes. Perhaps the author doesn't recognize this as part of the huge economic problems we are facing now. Even so, my argument may be less with the author's thesis than with his headline. Serving, or trying to serve as "the world's cop" isn't imperialism, if the author's suggestions of that service... deterring piracy, putting a stop to a genocide in progress... are the model. Imperialism is the building and maintenance of empires, which is to say, projecting force to compel other nations to submit to your will. Imperialism is inherently aggressive, and implies territorial expansion and/or projection of force for the purpose of seizing resources and enlarging ones military power, while the activities the author described are inherently defensive, meant to deter aggression or to stop it.

    The apparent point of Caryl's essay, as opposed to its title, seems somewhat more reasonable, if he means only that there are sound reasons to maintain a competent military... but if Caryl contends that the United States would be wise to continue devoting as MUCH of our wealth and energy into military force as we have done the last few years, I'd have to disagree again. We could accomplish more with far less waste if we followed Eisenhower's advice (at long last) and put a rein on the military industrial complex that has so distorted...even corrupted...our government.

  • Posted By: BigJoeRice @ 10/31/2008 4:37:30 PM

    We're broke. Unless a militaristic regime takes over the US, and Mr.Obama looks like the quintessential milquetoast so not much chance of that happening, then when given the choice of guns or butter, people will choose butter and let the rest of the world police themselves. The British tried that world policemen thing and look where it got them - broke - same as us.

  • Posted By: BigJoeRice @ 10/31/2008 4:37:18 PM

    We're broke. Unless a militaristic regime takes over the US, and Mr.Obama looks like the quintessential milquetoast so not much chance of that happening, then when given the choice of guns or butter, people will choose butter and let the rest of the world police themselves. The British tried that world policemen thing and look where it got them - broke - same as us.

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