Roe v. Wade v. Kristi

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  • Posted By: reasonablemind @ 11/05/2008 6:40:44 PM

    A woman's right to choose should not even be a political issue. Keep your religion out of my rights to choose what I do with my body. Banning abortion would lead to more death - from unsafe, back alley procedures. If you don't like abortion then when you get pregnant then you can have the baby. Don't get an abortion if you don't want one, but what I choose is none of your business.

    • Posted By: SoCalLutheran @ 11/05/2008 8:44:03 PM

      It isn't about religion. it's about murder.
      Just because some people might be dumbasses, doesn't mean we should condone a form of murder.

      • Posted By: AnAmericanForFreedom @ 11/06/2008 12:04:32 AM

        So what if the pill fails? What if a woman is raped? What about incest of little girls by their fathers and brothers? Trust me, my daughter was a pill failure and condom failure baby during my non-fertile time... Just because I had the chance to abort doesn't mean I used it. What if my uterus had ruptured --before-- my daughter was born within the limits placed for legal termination? Would you want me to bleed to death so that I wouldn't commit what you consider murder? Luckily it ruptured later, in a hospital and we both lived. Sorry, letting yourself die sounds a lot like suicide... which is illegal by the way. Can't have it both ways.

  • Posted By: AnAmericanForFreedom @ 11/05/2008 11:34:34 PM

    So, following the scenerio from my previous comment... What happens if I don't report the loss of a "person" in my womb, is that improper disposal of a body? Will the father have to pay child support while this "person" is developing? Will not getting prenatal care be a crime of neglect? What if a desperate teen tries to self abort and succeeds? is that murder? Attempted murder for failing? All you pro-lifers! let me know!

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 11/05/2008 11:32:13 PM

    President Obama...wow, that has a nice sound to it...may not have the military experience, but I know that Colin Powell will help in the cause. And our U.S. military is very self-sufficient and can take names even without a President without the experience. President Obama is an expert in Law...he excels tremendously in this aspect...Harvard Law Graduate...have to know your stuff to graduate from there. And, ya never know, President Obama may finally get the EFCA rolling so all American workers can have dignity in the workplace again. We, as a nation, need to pray that our leaders wiil make wise decisions in these troublesome times. It took us quite a few years to get to this economic mess, it's going to take quite some time to recover from it.

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 11/05/2008 11:32:08 PM

    President Obama...wow, that has a nice sound to it...may not have the military experience, but I know that Colin Powell will help in the cause. And our U.S. military is very self-sufficient and can take names even without a President without the experience. President Obama is an expert in Law...he excels tremendously in this aspect...Harvard Law Graduate...have to know your stuff to graduate from there. And, ya never know, President Obama may finally get the EFCA rolling so all American workers can have dignity in the workplace again. We, as a nation, need to pray that our leaders wiil make wise decisions in these troublesome times. It took us quite a few years to get to this economic mess, it's going to take quite some time to recover from it.

  • Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 11/05/2008 11:32:02 PM

    President Obama...wow, that has a nice sound to it...may not have the military experience, but I know that Colin Powell will help in the cause. And our U.S. military is very self-sufficient and can take names even without a President without the experience. President Obama is an expert in Law...he excels tremendously in this aspect...Harvard Law Graduate...have to know your stuff to graduate from there. And, ya never know, President Obama may finally get the EFCA rolling so all American workers can have dignity in the workplace again. We, as a nation, need to pray that our leaders wiil make wise decisions in these troublesome times. It took us quite a few years to get to this economic mess, it's going to take quite some time to recover from it.

  • Posted By: AnAmericanForFreedom @ 11/05/2008 11:30:46 PM

    So... if a fertilized egg is a living person and has all the rights... will I go to jail if I unknowingly drink and inhale smoke, causing the possible death or deformation of said "person" in my womb? Unless you are testing every day, every week, you won't know when you are pregnant for an average of 6-8 weeks, meaning I will engage in a lot of bad habits. Will I go to jail? Will they take any of my live born children from me for neglect? abuse?

  • Posted By: LifeFirstAlways @ 11/05/2008 11:21:50 PM

    To those who like to say it is supposed to be the 21st century I ask... what is so different from those who ruled during the feudal systems of past centuries when they had the choice to kill any innocent adult, child or baby because they "owned" them, from those who think they have the choice to kill innocent (alive babies in the womb). Those who so chose to kill innocent life for what ever reason have not progressed into what the 21st century should be like. This is not so different than those who decided to kill innocent people in gas chambers in the not so distant pass. Life is life. That fact cannot be changed.

  • Posted By: LifeFirstAlways @ 11/05/2008 11:14:18 PM

    To those who say this is the 20th century.... yes it is ... then why do some continue to kill the innocent (live babies in the womb) and think we have come a long way from the feudal systems where many innocent (adults, children and babies) were killed for just being on the bottom of the the society totempole. Have those who do so really live with 20th century? Or are they just feudal 'kings' in different garments?

  • Posted By: ecka0185 @ 11/05/2008 10:04:56 PM

    This person is a disgrace to Colorado and to Law students everywhere. This makes me disgusted to be a Colorado native and a Law student. This is supposed to be the 21st century in a Democracy not the 20th century is a totalitarian government. The day that one person decides that they have the right to tell all women what their rights to their body are that is the day that advances in women's rights have failed and been sent back to the middle ages.

  • Posted By: ecka0185 @ 11/05/2008 10:00:53 PM

    This person makes me disgusted to be from Colorado and a Law student. The day the religious right decides the rights of all women is the day that the past advances in women's rights are destroyed. This is supposed to be the 21st century NOT the middle ages.

  • Posted By: tigermom65 @ 11/05/2008 6:35:53 PM

    I find it quite interesting that in some states if a fetus dies as the result of violence against the mother
    ( including a car accident by a drunk driver) it is comsidered murder and that person is charged with, tried and convicted of murder.) However, if the woman chooses to have an abortion at the same stage of fetal development it is "just" and abortion and her right to do so. When Roe v. Wade went through we did not have the medical and scientific understand of fetal development we do today, nor the technology to watch and photograph fetal development. I also find it ironic that most ( not all) pro-choice people have told me that showing a woman seeking to terminate her pregnancy photos of fetal development and allowing her to see and ultrasound of her fetus is "too emotional". I myself had an abortion. I asked to see the ultrasound they were doing and was told that I couldn't. 15 years later I was devastated to see the ultrasound of my son. He was 4 weeks earlier in development and I saw his arms, legs and ribs, his heart beating ,and his face. When my husband and I got home I just kept lloking at those pictures and bawling. He thought it was happiness.
    Had I been allowed to see that ultrasound I would have walked out. Being denied that information was NOT giving me a choice.
    I have also heard too many women (and teens) say they could never carry a baby and then put it up for adoption. It is easier to just have an abortion. I call that the "I can give it away so I'll kill it" argument.

    It also angers me that a man has no choice in the fetus's being terminated, even if he says he wants the child and will raise it. That is also HIS child and he helped create it. If women don't want to be "forced" to carry and birth a child ( and I am not talking the rape, incest, life of mother cases) that is only partly theirs, then they should not have sex. Sex is a choice for the most part. When 2 other people are involved ( the father and the fetus he wants) that is not "just" your business anymore.

    • Posted By: SoCalLutheran @ 11/05/2008 8:39:56 PM

      I have thought about that first point since the Scott Peterson case. I don't get it either.

  • Posted By: modern_realist @ 11/05/2008 8:25:47 PM

    To the Pro-Choice: save the animosity and use that energy to lead the way for the pro-lifers to follow.. All that energy could be used to show how to care for the children who are here already. Make the pro-lifers hypocrits; they seem to forget the meaning of the phrase "sin of omission." By not helping those children living in bad circumstances and advocating more to be born into the same conditions while doing nothing to help, they are choosing their own damnation.
    To Pro-lifers: Please don't forget that you live in the United States of America. You have the right to voice your opinion; but you do not and never have had the right to legislate your beliefs. Use your voice in a more productive way. Teach children how to prevent pregnancy instead of telling them not to have sex. Choosing to keep the innocent ignorant of harsh reality hasn't worked yet, and i doubt it ever will. I think that your obsessions are unhealthy: you seem to think of the human body as a source of shame and guilt instead of embracing it for the beauty that God granted it.
    Also to the Pro-lifers: Though you want undeveloped cells to be considered life in everyone's eyes, why do you so disrespect the very Earth that God granted you? Why aren't you also advocating for the respect of ALL life on this planet instead of turning a blind eye to the evils that are being commited against the land? Or is it that you should really just call yourselves "Pro-Pre-Born Individual" people?

  • Posted By: lildiamond @ 11/05/2008 8:11:35 PM

    Oh byt the way, to Spacekatt, the reason that the words "fetal development" and "fetal termination" are used is because these are MEDICAL terms...and the words "fetal termination" are not used in medicine, rather abortion (the proper term) is used.
    But of course, the word "baby" or "child" is no a medical term either.
    Don't mean to be rude, but let's keep the rhetoric logical...

  • Posted By: NotCrushed @ 11/05/2008 7:20:47 PM

    600,000 women will have all of their rights and even their very bodies destroyed without any due process this year...and the choice to do this will be made by other women who say they have a right to do this because of where these 600,000 women live. No one will hear them scream. I live in a city of 120,000...5 TIMES as many women will be killed in this travesty of justice THIS YEAR than populate my entire city. But this constitutes only half of the slaughter. In total approximately 1.2 million pre-born men and women have been destroyed annually since the "right" for their mothers to do so was discovered by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade. Over 48.5 MILLION abortions in total since 1973. Can you even fathom what these numbers mean? So explain how would banning abortion lead to MORE death?

  • Posted By: spacekatt @ 11/05/2008 6:51:05 PM

    I guess it is easier to use phrases like fetal developement and fetal termination. Why not just call it like it is and say child developement and child killing if that is what you believe.I realize that you pro-choice people don't care but the truth is the truth. Abortion is nothing more that legalized child killing and if that suits you then live with it. I'm sure it probably doesn't bother you one bit.

  • Posted By: tigermom65 @ 11/05/2008 6:38:59 PM

    I apologize for the numerous typos. Just had 2 teeth pulled and kinda looped right now ;)

  • Posted By: S_Angele @ 11/05/2008 6:31:59 PM

    I firmly believe in Roe v. Wade. It is the woman's right to choose what she does with her body in regard to if and when she engages in sexual intercouse, as well as if and when she chooses to carry a pregnancy to term or to have an abortion.

    That said, those who cite that women should keep their legs closed need to follow their own advice and keep their d**** in their pants. And should the unthinkable happen and the choice to abort is taken away from women, and they are forced to bear unwanted children, then the men that they slept with should (upon proof of conception) be forced to pay child support, open an savings account for college, as well as assuming all responsibilities for insurance and medical bills for the next eighteen years of the child's life.

    Pro-lifers do not get it. All they can do is rant and rave about one singular aspect of the potential for human life. Let's not even get into the discussion of whether or not the fetus has life-threatening genetic defects or not--because women choose to abort then as well. It is selfish, narrow-minded reasoning on the part of an outsider to force unwanted and unsolicited judgement on a situation that is not his or her own.

  • Posted By: SallyJo @ 11/05/2008 4:54:43 PM

    To emiceek:
    And that comment should be directed at men as well...if they don't want children they should tie a knot in it dumb ***, Otherwise be prepared to accept responsibility for moments of passion.

  • Posted By: modern_realist @ 11/05/2008 5:09:13 AM

    Question to pro-lifers: if you are whole-heartedly devoted to your cause, the sanctity of life, why do you seem to forget that life continues after birth? Why are you spending so much of your time rallying around the unborn when you could first be cherishing the lives of those who are here already? And what do you consider 'life' after birth? When a child is unloved and unwanted what kind of life is in store for it? When that child will be more prone as it grows to narcotic abuse to fill the emotional void you've forced upon it; when that child will never know real joy because it's neglected and abused. Why aren't you rallying around protecting the ones we have already and giving them a chance to flourish? You give so much money to organizations who do next to nothing with that money to affect the world these children exist in right now. How much do you want to bet that the advertising companies employed by these 'non-profits' to stir up discontent are owned by the people running the organization you're donating to?
    I've heard the argument: "That child could be the next EINSTEIN!", but that's a genetic crapshoot, isn't it? Consider this: the next Einstein is already here and never being given the chance to develop because he's sitting in a poorly funded school in the heartland of America. And instead of trying to change this and give him a chance to live up to his potential, you're shouting slogans and sowing division around him. You talk constantly of the 'potential' of the unborn but never of the potential of who we've already got.
    Consider also: all the money donated to these non-profits who 'represent' your Christian worldviews could be doing real work in the world ending hunger and child abuse. Why don't you work to bring back dignity to those people? "The unborn don't have a voice for themselves!" Well, apparently neither do the children we already have; they've been crying for your help for decades and you've gone too deaf from all your shouting to hear them.

    • Posted By: hval @ 11/05/2008 4:51:15 PM

      What in the world makes you think I don't devote my time and money to kids that have already been born? You can be pro-life and give to needy children as well. What have you personally done lately for a child in need, born or unborn? You seem to be in awe of the power of the dollar. If you were a volunteer, you would understand that for children in need, the greatest gift is your personal time, attention, and advocacy. If you honestly think Catholic and Christian organizations around the world are not doing this work, you are sadly misinformed. I have seen it with my own eyes here and abroad, Christians dedicating their lives to needy children in orphanages and poor communities. They are not doing any shouting, so maybe you've never heard them. Perhaps you should write one of them a check this very minute if you have no time to contribute in your own community.

  • Posted By: shewolf @ 11/05/2008 3:57:01 PM

    Whether you like it or not,it is OUR bodies and OUR choice! This is also a medical issue,between a patient and her doctor,and is not the government's business. I also agree with knorton,as to the pro lifers focusing on all the unwanted children. I also found it a interesting thought that since life ends when the brain waves are gone,what about when life begins?

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