Roe v. Wade v. Kristi

A fertilized egg defined as a person. Just think, get your wife pregnant before New Years and claim them as a dependent before they are born. Oh, and the carpool lane. Any woman could say she's pregnant so she could drive in the carpool lane. Airlines could consider the unborn another passenger and charge a ticket. The implications and complications of this would be endless. Stupid idea! This measure should fail miserably.

it is time to speak clearly. a prolife stand means against war and death penalty and abortion.prochoice is a
matter of decussion over the situation I'm faced with.I can be "prochoice"and choose not to have an abortion.
I can't be "prolife"and vote for war and the death penalty.Clear enough?

Kristi Burton; thankyou for pushing this Amendment 48. Thankyou for taking a stand on abortion. The Church has fallen asleep. When the bill Roe vs Wade was being pushed the Church didn't believe that it would pass, we now know that we didn't fight hard enough. I was a little girl when that was pushed through Congress. Also I believe the reason why most women are up in arms about this is because they are made to believe that within them is a lump or mass of tissue in them,Women are made to believe that it is not yet a living soul. The problem that I have with this is that the only way a fetus can grow is if it is living. If it were dead it would not grow. There are women who want to have sex when they want it. That is their decision. But they must also take responsibility for their actions. God never intended for us to have sex outside of marriage. God told us in Genesis to be fruitful and multiply. He also said that a man was to leave his mother and father and Marry to become one. God has always promoted family. In the past weeks and years, there are those who want to undermine marriage. Marriage is sacred to God. It is not totally about having sex. There is more to marriage than that. Also there is more to having children. When a female decides to have an abortion, she is led to believe that if she has one, all of her concerns will have been taken care of. What she is not told, is that some time in her life time, she will learn the truth about abortions, many have become sorely depressed, some want to take their lives, some end up emotionally damaged, they feel what they did was wrong. And they cannot go back and change it. Abortion is expensive, the Dr.'s that do it aren't loosing anysleep over it. I wonder how many wives are affectied by this, when their husbands are murdering babies everyday and bringing home the paycheck. I wonder how many of them can live with the fact that their home was paid for by the deaths of fetuses, or that fancy car they ride in, or the clothes on their backs and the backs of their children. That the food they cook, they are able to do so, because of the amount of abortions that are done. You see abortion not only affects the fetuses or the women who have them. It should affect the families of the Dr.'s that perform them. Or the nurses that help the Dr.'s. They have an opportunity to tell the truth and they just look the other way. How Sad. So it is time for Amendment 48. And it is time for the Pro-Life movement to get on the bandwagon to help to get this Amendment passed. Best wishes.

Given that the original issue is how should we define "person", I think it is interesting that some people are just equating "person" with "human" and going on as they would have without the issue being raised.
I don't think you have to be a human to be a person, because as we look at fiction and science fiction, we often see examples of non-human beings which we would generally agree are persons. Mr Spock or ET for example. They give use a key to what we really mean by person.
Likewise, a human in an ireversible coma kept biologically alive is often said to be dead, and no longer a person. The real defining qualities seem to include an ability to be self aware, to make ones own choices, particularly moral choices, and to act upon them. We may find that some "animals" meet this requirement, but most do not. Likewise a fertilized egg, human or other, does not. The fact that it has the potential to develop into something that can makes it morally valuable, but doesn't entitle it to the rights of a person. And even if it did it is not obvious that would obligate the mother to let it use her body or risk her health. We don't for example compel people to become organ donors even though people who are undeniably persons die in the absence of it.
I think the real reason that some of the big anti-abortion groups aren't supporting this young lady is that they prefer to control the terms of the argument and feel sticking with "human" is better for their side. Talk of expressly defing a person will no doubt cause some people to actually consider the significance of the difference, People who now accept that because of DNA a fertilized egg is human will come to have new reasons for saying "So what?" The article doesn't answer this question, and I would be interested to see if the author of Prop 48 has even considered it beyond her hopes of trying to define Roe out of existence.

Wacknutness Whenever you think the limit to stupidity has been reached somebody sets a new standard.

I could never understand why some people (and you dear Kristi, so young) devote their lives interfering in people's private business, whom you don't even know. What a wonderful, religious Republican you are. Why don't you take all that energy and talent and get guns off the street. So when you have all those wonderful children they won't get their brains blown against the wall or that wonderful child could just shoot you. I but we forget, you need guns cause you like to go out and hunt for sport..

What if SHE gets raped? Then what?

it makes me laugh that republicans chant for less government for business then put laws over people bodies to govern what they can and cannot do.
deregulate business, regulate morality.
how very sick and sad, hypocrites, the lot of them.

Greenbrain... Totally agree if a fertilized egg is a child, there are laws to protect children. For example, all pregnant women must be fired from their jobs, as there are Child Labor laws to protect children for a reason. Any pregnant woman who smokes or drinks alcohol must be arrested, as it is criminal to give a baby tobacco or alcohol. Further, any man who has SEX with a pregnant woman is a pervert & must be imprisoned as a CHILD is involved in the act!!!

So Miss Kristi.... are you willing to care and nurture all the unwanted children. Most people who seek abortion do so out of humanity and consideration of what and how they can provide for this unexpected event. Having said that.... I am not pro abortion... I am pro choice. If abortion is not right for you. YOU have that choice. Why do you feel it necessary to choose what is appropriate in others live. (typical republican stance) Oh... and your next argument.... shall we say the UNBORN... well if it can survive at 8 wks gestation, it was the will of GOD and fate will not render it aborted. Your argument goes unheard and unwarrented. Life deals mistakes... in genetics, in values, in theory and in justice. Go Figure. And the answer to the first question I asked I can asure you would be "NO" that is not my responsibility. The problem I have with your argument... you are stepping on determinining what is the right of an indivudual. It is their choice and their repentence with "the supreme one" whether you call him GOD, Jehovah, or Allah. Why should you insert yourself in such a personal issue? An Idealog that wants to push YOUR value systems on Everyone instead on focusing on educating and preventing these types of things from happening. Poor thang. I can see better money spent on those living with needs like HUNGER, Lack of Healthcare, and appropriate Housing and Schooling.

My personal conviction leans towards Kristi. I am in the process of studying genetics, and the egg and sperm (gametes) are created even before the egg becomes fertilized (zygote). Creation processes of sex cells actually happen before the egg is fertilized. After meiosis and the forming of the zygote, then mitosis begins and the creation process for body cells happens so the baby can grow in the mother's womb. Since we do live in a free society, everyone posting may choose to disagree...this is just something I observed studying genetics.

It will mean that the birth control pill would be illegal, since the pill prevents implantation of a fertilized egg! The IUD would also be illegal. What are these people thinking?

If you oppose abortion, don't have one! To define "personhood" as occurring at the moment of fertilization is absurd. This is just another case of someone trying to prevent women for thinking for themselves and exerting rights over their own bodies! Please, do a search for what happens to pregnant women when the state insists that a fetus has more rights than the mother--forced C-sections, prosecution for still births, etc.

Ihope as much as you can hope that Ms. Burton's amendment never ever passes. That being said I do admire her for getting more to the heart of the issue then we have in 40 years of debating abortion. We have an epidemic of politically correct double speak caused by people trying to out think the opposition and not get caught on YouTube. The financial sector collapse was in part caused by this mode of thinking. Ms. Burton???s approach and enthusiasm is the correct way not only to debating this issue but the other issues we face.
Colorado please don???t vote this amendment in. Cells are not humans for one. Abortion prevents crime because a kid growing up with parent(s) who did not want them are more likely to grow up to be criminals. Crime started going down about 15 years after Roe V Wade. It is going up in part because in some parts of the country you have to travel long distances to get one thanks to anti-abortion terrorists.






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No Way, would I ever oppose my views onto someone else. With that said,

In my heart I don't beleive I have a right to tell another woman what to do with her body. If the Government changes the laws once again about abortion. It will lead to back street abortion, like it was many years ago.

Changing the laws will only help the people that are Pro-Life. If abortion was done in the first 3 months, I
don't see anything wrong with that. Or if the woman was rape or got pregnant by incest.

I say, Leaves these women alone. Their the one's that have to deal with what they did.. NOT YOU!

While I have never been able to decide exactly what I'd do in certain situations, it should be between a woman, her doctor and God what path she'll take concerning abortion. When I was in college, abortions were illegal and I knew girls in my dorm who had abortions routinely at some dark, dingy "lean-to" in the dirty party of town. Some were packed with gause until they hemorraged, some had coat hangers plunged into their vaginas and some were punched in the stomach by their "so-called" boyfriends. It was the most barbaric thing I've ever witnessed. One girl bled to death while sitting on the toilet, where her unborn baby was floating.
People can conjure up all of the Bible verses they wish about legal abortions, but those are people who have never ever been around any woman who actually had an illegal one. Pro-choice means that a woman has the right to choose. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SHE IS PRO-ABORTION. NO ONE IS PRO-DEATH TO ANY CHILD, BORN OR UNBORN. If a woman was pregnant and told by her doctor that her b aby would be severely retarded or have severe physical abnormalities, she'd be heartless to choose to give birth to that baby. A friend of mine gave birth to a baby girl, who was born with no arms, no eyes, is deaf has no esophagus and no kidneys. She didn't b elieve in abortion, so she elected to give birth to this little one. This child will never be able to get out of a bed...never be a human being. She cannot eat, cannot speak, cannot see, cannot hear . What would you do?

First of all - It is not a woman's body that we're talking here!

It is the body of a child inside of her that is the result of her making a consience decision to have sexual vaginal relations with a man. Therefore she did make a choice - and the choice was to follow through with the act of propogation of the human species. Therefore, a tiny human with a soul and a beating heart is now living inside of her - the babies Mother.

Abortion is the most extreme act of selfishness that one human can take upon the other.

God bless and Peace be with you.

First of all - It is not a woman's body that we're talking here!

It is the body of a child inside of her that is the result of her making a consience decision to have sexual vaginal relations with a man. Therefore she did make a choice - and the choice was to follow through with the act of propogation of the human species. Therefore, a tiny human with a soul and a beating heart is now living inside of her - the babies Mother.

Abortion is the most extreme act of selfishness that one human can take upon the other.

God bless and Peace be with you.

Until the Christian Right has adopted every last severely handicapped child, every crack baby, every HIV positive child out of foster care, I wouldn't even consider voting for this. This paves the way to return to the 1950s where not just abortion is illegal, but birth control is too. That people support this, scares the daylights out of me. There are already thousands of unwanted children. Why don't we care for them and THEN consider bringing more into the world?