Taliban Two-Step: Can’t Sit Down Yet

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  • Posted By: SassyFrassy @ 11/04/2008 10:23:57 AM

    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. but under the name of Liberalism they adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist Nation without knowing how it ever happened. --Norman Thomas Six time Socialist party presidential Candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU.

    WAKE UP AMERICA THE FREEDOMS YOU SAVE WILL BE YOUR OWN IS THE RIGHT CATCH PHRASE FOR THIS ELECTION.

    NOW the media says oh obama is okay because he was born in AMERICA.

    Well, we know AYERS was born in America too and he couldn't get himself elected as dog catcher even though he CLOAKS himself with the black movement..
    However, here is a man whose father is Arab and specified on his birth certificate. He was reared and educated and his religion is ARAB

  • Posted By: SassyFrassy @ 11/04/2008 10:18:16 AM

    TO the present OBAMA holds DUAL CITIZENSHIP for US and for KENYA. SINCE when does this mean he has the best interest of our country in mind? here is what is on his mind and we need to make sure we don't accomodate it. i would say his DUAL CITIZENSHIP is a conflict of interest which highly reveals the nature of his politics.

    Obama, Odinga & Kenyan Jihad
    by Kurt Schulzke on February 25, 2008

    Last night, I reported on Barack Obama???s active support of Kenyan candidate and Obama cousin Raila Odinga. What escaped mention was Odinga???s explicit plan to turn Kenya into an Al Qaeda terrorist incubator. A close analysis of Odinga???s MoU with Sheikh Abdullahi Abdi shows that ??? if Odinga had been elected as Kenyan president in the fall of 2007 ??? he would have made it impossible under Kenyan law for ???any Muslim arrested for or suspected of Terrorism??? to be tried anywhere but Kenya under Kenyan law.

    Kenyan law, in turn, would henceforth be exclusively Shariah law in ???Muslim declared regions??? ??? the ???coast??? and ???North Eastern regions??? of the country ??? see the map, below ??? now visited by hundreds of thousands of western tourists each year. [See Odinga, Abdi & Obama: Which Islamic MoU is real? for an updated, detailed discussion of two competing versions of the agreement.] Obama and Odinga supporters want to label as a ???lie??? the MoU version discussed here. However, the evidence suggests the opposite is true.



    It is no coincidence that this area of Kenya borders Somalia ??? for many years an Al Qaeda stronghold ??? site of the Clinton administration???s Bay of Pigs-redux, in Mogadishu, the event that serves as the basis for the movie Black Hawk Down. Also noteworthy is Kenya???s proximity to Tanzania, focus of much of George Bush???s efforts to save Africa and, arguably, where Bush is today most loved in the world.

    In these ???Muslim declared??? regions, the Odinga-Abdi agreement would outlaw ??? among other things ??? Farmer???s Choice, pork, other ???haram products??? and ???women???s public dressing styles considered immoral or offensive to the Muslim faith??? for all women, not just Muslims. At the same time, Odinga would establish a Sharia law court in every Kenyan ???divisional headquarters.??? One foreseeable result of these machinations is that Al Qaeda would be safe-havened in Kenya, free to foment mahem and terror around the world. Little wonder that Louis Farrakhan has endorsed Obama for president.

    The question every Democrat should be asking is how any American president ??? as Barack Obama seeks to become ??? could support a scheme so obviously designed to further the global jihad? Restated: With Americans like Obama, who needs Al Qaeda?

    Conservative Republicans face a related question: In light of this information, could you in good conscience not vote for John McCain in November if the Dems stupidly choose Obama as their ???daddy????

  • Posted By: Aditya Mookerjee @ 11/04/2008 3:06:23 AM

    it is meaningful, that Mr Nathaniel Fick, uses the meaning in the terminology, of his words, similar to the meaning in the words of a surgeon, who is discussing an operation. However, the meaning may not be required, as human beings can see themselves as being possessed of good reason, which is beneficial to all. I refer to the Afghan Taliban. Diplomacy is not cold calculation, as may be suggested by the relations The United states has with Cuba, or with Venezuela, for an instance. Diplomacy has nothing to do entirely with either the heart, or the head, but has its success on the basis of something more. That basis may be fate.

  • Posted By: ObamaYesWeCan @ 11/03/2008 8:00:45 PM

    This moronic scumbag Samuel J. Wurzelbacher "Joe the Plumber" had his AZ driver license suspended

    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323

    Wurzelbacher, who lived in Mesa in 2000 and had an Arizona driver's license, had his driver's license suspended by the Arizona Department of Transportation Motor Vehicle Division on May 4, 2000, following a nonpayment of a court-imposed fine for civil traffic violations, according to court records.

    ...owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes, according to public records, still owes more than $700 to the Mesa court system.

    Records show he was cited for failure to stop at a red light and for failure to provide proof of insurance on Feb. 9, 2000, in a black Dodge truck at the intersection of Dobson and Baseline roads in Mesa.

    After failing to pay his original fine of $627.50 issued in March 2000, his license was suspended and the fine was handed over to a collection agency along with a 16 percent surcharge. The now-resident of Holland, Ohio, still owes $727.90 to the Mesa Municipal Court, according to court records.

    Hopefully the collection agency will break both of his legs so he'll never be able to walk nor work ever again. This typical Republican scumbag deserves it.

  • Posted By: trogers @ 11/02/2008 2:07:55 PM

    We will never be able to kill enough members of the Taliban to make a lasting peace in Afghanistan. We can beef up our forces and win every battle and as soon as we withdraw, the Taliban reasserts control. The only solution is to divide the country into one Afghan state defended and supported by us, and another run by the Taliban without any help or interference from us. Give them the territory near the Pakistan border which we can not control anyway. Let the rest of Afghanistan develop under our protection. We are going to be there for a long time no matter what happens. We would still be in a position to respond to any attacks on our strongholds. It would be better to stabilize part of the country than continue sending in more troops in an attempt to stabilize all of it.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/02/2008 3:12:55 PM

      I disagree. The Taliban aren't a very strong enemy and can be toppled, and need to be. Unlike most of our so-called "enemies" for the last eight years, they aided in a very serious act of aggression against us that cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars. It's not safe

      What we can't do is wage a wasteful war like we have in Iraq or like the Soviets did in the 1980s in Afghanistan. We need better intelligence with native Arabic speakers, small-scale operations by highly trained elite forces, and economic development of the area (that last part is actually going all right, as I understand it).

      Afghanistan hasn't been the war breaking the bank for us. Iraq has. We need to end the war in Iraq immediately, begin a pullout of most troops and send some of the rest to Afghanistan.

      Ending torture policies would be a great idea. I think both candidates have committed to that?

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/02/2008 5:09:16 PM

        Will you be willing to write Obama and the UN and politely ask them to suspend any resolutions and sanctions against Iran? They'll be worthless, of course, as they were with Iraq, because silly old Bush won't be around to enforce them. That way, Obama can walk away from any conflict, as he voted to do with Iraq without all that twelve-year, 17 resolution hassle! The downside? Nothing to concern you... Iran will have its nukes and Israel will likely be be history. No costly war for us though, and look how happy Europe will be now that we've caved to their wishes as Clinton did when we were getting our asses kicked by Al Qaeda!

        Now, all we have to do is step aside when Russia wants to park its warheads in Venezuela....

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/03/2008 10:24:09 AM

          And by the way, I personally believe economic sanctions are the *best* way to deal with Iran. How can you argue with me when you don't even know what my views are? You're just arguing against some utterly fictional "pacifist liberal" you've cooked up in your head to be a target whenever you find someone you disagree with.

          But it makes sense in terms of your foreign policy - don't actually find out what the views of your opponents are, or find out about their positions - treat them all with suspicion and hostility regardless of what they actually believe. Right?

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/03/2008 12:35:33 PM

            Sanctions didn't work with Iraq, why would you think they would work with Iran? Why won't they work? Oil. Lots and lots of oil. North Korea had starvation, so resolutions and sanctions yielded pressure that ultimately worked. Not so with Iran. Besides, Ahmadinijad will find a way to bribe and influence the corrupt UN, just as Hussien did. Even Kofee Anan's own son was implicated in the corruption!

            It's unrealistic to think history won't repeat itself with Iran. And you mentioned a pacifist liberal I've cooked up? Hardly. Obama voted to walk away from Iraq after 17 resolutions over a 12 year period. He will do the same with Iran.

            And we already know Obama's views. He wants to sit down without preconditions with a third world idiot like Saddam Hussein. Ahmadinijad won't listen to Obama, as he is bent on having nukes. You think Obama's slick orator skills will get Iran to shut down it's nuke program and stop calling for Israel's destruction? Dream on!

            • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/03/2008 2:13:47 PM

              "Sanctions didn't work with Iraq, why would you think they would work with Iran? "

              Iraq was impoverished. Saddam's regime was toothless, not the U.N. Their people couldn't afford to buy toilets for their schools.

              So of course, we pick one of the most impoverished nations in the world to invade, and promptly sacrifice our own prosperity in doing so. To respond to your idea about walking away from Iran and Iraq - I think it's a great idea. I think that the people who think the Iraq War was ever justified are condoning acts of torture made under false pretenses. I think that anyone who thinks that blowing six hundred billion on a failed colonial state is incompetent to advocate policy regarding our national finances.

              I consider Obama's record on Iraq to be one of the best I've seen. We never should have gone to war there. Afghanistan yes, Iraq no. Iraq has been a useless and bankrupting war that's been a failure in every sense of the word that's meaningful.

              • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/03/2008 6:19:19 PM

                Saddam's regime was not "toothless". How do you think he manipulated the UN for twelve years? They became corrupt under him! If the UN had so-called teeth, how do you explain one useless resolution after another for twelve years? You're naive enough to leave third world mafioso's to their own devices and think all will be well. I am not. You have the same views the League of Nations had with Hitler... Over thirty million people lost their lives because of this attitude. Iran is dangerous. Their leader hates Israel, and claims the holocaust never happened! Yes, there is a choice, and fortunately, there are people who remember and won't look the other way.

              • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/03/2008 2:23:01 PM

                And by the way, every time we shut up and leave Ahmadinejad alone for awhile, his people start to notice that the economy is falling apart and his popularity drops. Every time we rattle a saber at them, it inflames a national sense of pride and his support as a "tough guy" who can stand up to the West goes through the roof. If we really want him out of power - the SAME as with Iraq - then we leave the sanctions in place until his regime becomes toothless. If we want him to become a national hero, then we keep threatening him.

                The choice is yours, really.

              • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/03/2008 2:16:07 PM

                Typo: "I think that anyone who thinks that blowing six hundred billion on a failed colonial state is incompetent to advocate policy regarding our national finances."

                Correction: "I think that anyone who thinks that blowing six hundred billion on a failed colonial state was a good idea is incompetent to advocate policy regarding our national finances."

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/03/2008 10:02:09 AM

          Go hate, hate, hate, respond to everything with violence, and get yourself blown up if you really want to. I've responded to so many of these "you coward" kind of posts that I just can't take the time anymore. I have few doubts about my own bravery and courage and you're certainly not going to change that.

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/03/2008 12:45:34 PM

            I didn't say you were a coward. However I think you're completely mistaken about Iran... It's not hatred to understand how to deal with these people! If the UN hadn't behaved like a toothless poodle gnawing on Hussein's ankle for twelve years, that whole, corrupt mess could have been over and done with inside of six months instead of a dozen years. Why bother to waste the world's time with pathetic resolutions and sanctions if they're not going to be enforced? One of your party members, President Clinton, tried every which way to deal with Hussein, the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and look at the results. Please, tell me what Obama is going to do differently with Iran than he did with Iraq, which, by his vote, was to walk away?

  • Posted By: kayell @ 11/03/2008 4:15:51 PM

    Blissful ignorance and fear seem to be the hallmarks of an America voter. No wonder, Bush was "elected" twice.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 11/03/2008 2:34:30 PM

    To all of the conservatives out there who think that Obama is a flaming liberal, I would like to remind you of what he did when he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. The Law Review President gets to name ten individuals to write articles for the Review, and these ten people get to control the content of the publication. All of the minorities and the liberals thought they finally had it made, that Obama would appoint ten left wing editors. Instead, Obama appointed three conservatives, three liberals and four moderates. That year the Law Review was critically acclaimed as the best run and best written Harvard publication in decades.

    So when he wins in November, conservatives don't have to freak out. Obama is a centrist and will appoint a balanced cabinet full of active people who will really get things done. Kind of like the way our multi-cultural society is supposed to be. And exactly what we need in this time of economic crisis.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 11/03/2008 2:29:09 PM

    Obama has 63 Nobel Laureates working on his policy team. They are developing a plan to push America back to the top. Who is responsible for McCain's planning? Americans would be shocked to find that Douglas Holtz-Eakin is the sole person responsible for planning McCain's policy for America's future. Holtz-Eakin is also McCain's economic advisor, filling two full time positions on McCain's team. How can one single man (an economist) be responsible for developing a viable technology plan for our future?

    Obama has an enormous pool of the most intelligent, talented men and women in America working for him. Soon, they will be working for us: for you and for me and for America.

    And let's not forget that the McCain campaign spent more on Palin's makeup artist than it did on it's foreign policy advisor. When you pay your makeup artist DOUBLE what you pay your foreign policy advisor, it is time to start examining your priorities.

    You look just fine without makeup, John. And Sarah is young enough not to need any. So cut the crap, and start paying some good ECONOMIC ADVISORS so you can have a fiscal plan to present to America. We're in the middle of a huge global financial meltdown, and you are worried about hair and makeup? PLEASE start worrying about the middle class, John. Please.

  • Posted By: factsearcher @ 11/03/2008 12:41:06 PM

    Taliban Two-Step: Can???t Sit Down Yet
    Everyone's talking about talking to the Taliban. But before we jaw-jaw, there will be more war-war.

    Can someone tell that to Obama before he decides to sit down and talk to these people? PLEASE!!!!

  • Posted By: stanekzai @ 11/03/2008 11:44:18 AM

    Taliban are cancer cells that are mutated by pakies to feed on US/British/Afghan etc lives. As an Afghan I can assure you all that, we the Afghans will never forget your help and salute to every family and other US citizens who has lost their loved one's life or got injured while fighting for our causes. However if pakies stop supporting Taliban and meanwhile close their borders to Al-Qaeda members I strongly believe that no one will die and Taliban won't keep on growing. To me it seems like that Iran and pakistan are bound together to topple US Afghan efforts to make the area democratic, where everyone respects freedom and can live freely. Regards

  • Posted By: stanekzai @ 11/03/2008 11:43:42 AM

    Taliban are cancer cells that are mutated by pakies to feed on US/British/Afghan etc lives. As an Afghan I can assure you all that, we the Afghans will never forget your help and salute to every family and other US citizens who has lost their loved one's life or got injured while fighting for our causes. However if pakies stop supporting Taliban and meanwhile close their borders to Al-Qaeda members I strongly believe that no one will die and Taliban won't keep on growing. To me it seems like that Iran and pakistan are bound together to topple US Afghan efforts to make the area democratic, where everyone respects freedom and can live freely. Regards

  • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/03/2008 10:58:37 AM

    Of course the extremist are not interested, all they want to do is kill. You can either try and sit and talk to them and wait for something to hit us or stay on the offense to protect us. Proactive vs reactive. Proactive has proven to work here at home and we know what happened when sat around and waited. You don't talk to these people. They don't care to.
    Obama claims he did not know his aunt was here illegally, please..you are very blind if you beleive that. Just another example of why you can't trust this guy. He is the scariest person we have ever seen running for anything in this country. He will kill America if elected in all shapes. You add in Pelosi, Reid, etc and the liberal super majority..god help us.

  • Posted By: Chuck Goodman @ 11/03/2008 8:27:10 AM

    We become what we are around. Our values, attitude and beliefs are formed by the people we associate with. We take on the drives and goals of those who teach us and those who aspire to specific aims that we are allied with.
    Ayres is a documented terrorist. Wright wants God to Damn America. Rezko cheated the American Public. Fleger has abhorrence for America. Franklin Rains cheated America.
    Acorn tries to bribe you and intimidate you to vote with and for all the above. And, the list of shady characters goes on and on and on.
    While McCain may not be your number one choice for President he will and has defended America. He is offering his life for America and has proven he would/will die for America. None of Osama???s associates would do that and they trained Obama.
    Don???t be duped by the pretty and empty talk. Obama allows his brother to live in a slum and his Dear Auntie to live in a slum. What makes you think he has any compassion for you when he ignores his own family???s basic needs?
    Think about that! Than vote from you heart as well as your mind

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 11/03/2008 4:57:06 AM

    Fight is not better way,
    it is not the solution of the problems,
    being faced by the world today,
    the best solution is the crisis is negotiation,
    with all the parties concerned.


    According to the reliable and dependable sources,
    efforts are being made creating conflict between Talban and Alqaueda,
    it would proved useless,
    as everyone know that,
    before invasion, United Staes demanded talban,
    for handing over Osama to them,
    but they refused,they lost a islamic states,sacrificed their lives,
    Osama was not given to ,
    so it is impossible they bow before the American conditions or stance.


    Acceptable way is that,
    the case should submitted to the king of Saudi-arabia,
    because all muslims of the world gives him due honoure ,
    as custodian of Mucca,
    the wholiest place for all.


    The first duty of superpowers of the world ,
    and the United Nations ,is to justice.


    Sultan Ahmed, faisalabad, Pakistan.

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/03/2008 2:36:16 AM

    Call me whatever you want - kill the tailiban before they kill us. Kill al-queda before they kill us. "Turn the other cheek" is a nice thought. As a parent, I won't do that!

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/03/2008 2:26:23 AM

    Yes, newsweak and osama.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 11/03/2008 12:12:02 AM

    The McCain Campaign:

    John McCain has proven himself in this campaign to be an angry low road politician who failed miserably to show himself to be a fair and decent individual, with the stature to rise to the Office of the Presidency.

    Leading a campaign that (even though major news orgs constantly debunked his ads) almost exclusively resorted to the constant barrage of outright lies, distortions, and the sleaziest of attack ads. Showing himself, instead, to be a little man, he displays a nasty, divisive and confrontational attitude with limited vision and dimension of thinking. He is minimally accomplished as a statesman and, as shown by his own actions, is conspicuously absent of the temperament and the diplomatic and leadership skills necessary to adequately represent and lead this nation in promoting international respect and cooperation on the future world stage.

    The United States can do much better than John McCain, On Tuesday, I am betting the nation will agree.

  • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/02/2008 5:30:31 PM

    Of course we can't sit down with the Taliban. Does the writer of the article actually believe that wasn't tried years ago? When will the world understand that colossal, third world idiots like Saddam Hussein, Ahmoud Ahamadenjhad, and the Taliban can't be reasoned with?

    The only thing they understand is the threat of overwhelming force.

  • Posted By: Harry Voyager @ 11/02/2008 4:53:57 PM

    Strongholds don't work against insurgancies; that's what we tried in Iraq when it all fell apart. You end up becoming a nameless faceless occupier, to which the people hold no loyalty. The way you deal with an insurgancy is you spread troops around into city-block level patrols. By living and working in close contact with the local populace, we build up trust and face recognition, and it is the insurgants that become the faceless killers. It's hard to hate someone when they've just pulled your kid out of a well, but that only happens if our troop are out there to do that.

  • Posted By: wendydk @ 11/02/2008 10:17:32 AM

    ABC Reports that in a conservative radio interview that aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said her First Amendment rights are threatened by reporters suggesting she is engaging in a negative campaigning against Barack Obama.

    Palin told WMAL-AM that for reporters or columnists to suggest that she is going negative constitutes an attack on her free speech rights under the Constitution, saying -If the media convince enough voters that this is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations, then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media.-


    If I hadnt heard her butcher the Constitution numerous times already, I might not have believed it!

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