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  • Posted By: deb01wag @ 11/02/2008 10:41:06 PM

    American Gandhi, Barack is not. But it is true, people are voting based on what they hope Barack is. I just pray that many will wake up and realize that hope is not something you vote for.

  • Posted By: ObamaYesWeCan @ 11/02/2008 10:31:19 PM

    This moronic scumbag Samuel J. Wurzelbacher "Joe the Plumber" had his AZ driver license suspended

    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323

    Wurzelbacher, who lived in Mesa in 2000 and had an Arizona driver's license, had his driver's license suspended by the Arizona Department of Transportation Motor Vehicle Division on May 4, 2000, following a nonpayment of a court-imposed fine for civil traffic violations, according to court records.

    ...owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes, according to public records, still owes more than $700 to the Mesa court system.

    Records show he was cited for failure to stop at a red light and for failure to provide proof of insurance on Feb. 9, 2000, in a black Dodge truck at the intersection of Dobson and Baseline roads in Mesa.

    After failing to pay his original fine of $627.50 issued in March 2000, his license was suspended and the fine was handed over to a collection agency along with a 16 percent surcharge. The now-resident of Holland, Ohio, still owes $727.90 to the Mesa Municipal Court, according to court records.

    Hopefully the collection agency will break both of his legs so he'll never be able to walk nor work ever again. This typical Republican scumbag deserves it.

    http://obamaoursavior.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: pmcs @ 11/02/2008 10:19:06 PM

    World's public enemy #1 & 2 = W. and Dicky.

    World's most irresponsible people = people who voted W. and Dicky into Whitehouse.

    World's most ashamed people = people who voted W. and Dick into Whitehouse TWICE.

    Paulson should fire all Bank CEOs.

    World's most hated job = Bank executives and high-ranking Bank jobs. They all should be put in jail.

  • Posted By: life2go @ 11/02/2008 9:23:45 PM

    I started out this election process (over a year ago) really liking alot of the things I heard about Obama and a lot of what I saw. But it has been him and only him and his actions that turned me away (not his color). Three things really did it for me.

    1. Him going overseas with all his rallies over there, talking to them. Absolutely turned me off. I could understand going and meeting the other politicians, but the huge rallies he held....made me feel like he was going more for a WORLD LEADER position rather than running for the American Presidency.

    2. REMOVING THE AMERICAN FLAG...HE DOESN'T NEED A SYMBOL. IF HE IS RUNNING TO BE MY PRESIDENT THEN THE AMERICAN FLAG IS HIS SYMBOL. The American Flag represents alot, and some of our history isn't great, but if you don't feel that you still live in the best country with all our freedoms (aleast while we still have them) and that you aren't proud of our flag....THEN LEAVE. And if you are running to be my COMMANDER IN CHIEF, then you better damn well, respect and have no problems with displaying it WITH PRIDE.

    3. And this isn't necessarily him personally, but the whole thing. I am sick and tired of having the race card shoved down my throat. I'm tired that I keep getting told that somehow Reverend Wrights, Bill Ayers, etc... are somehow acceptable. That I am suppose to accept that Rev. Wrights hateful, racist and mean words and attitude are okay and understandable, that I have to understand where he is coming from....WRONG...AIN'T BUYING INTO IT. Mean and hateful is just plain mean and hateful and it is never acceptable from ANYONE FOR ANY REASON.
    At first I even respected how he dealt with Rev. Wright, I understood his comment that he was like family and that you don't just up and turn your back on family. Goodness knows we all have skeletons and people we love that do questionable actions, that we don't agree with. Wouldn't necessarily want the world looking at my life through a microscope. Where he lost me was thinking that I was dumb enough to think that in over 20 years of their relationship that HE NEVER KNEW THAT SIDE OF HIM. And that somehow I was suppose to be UNDERSTANDING

    Bill Ayers again, hateful and yes, by our definition now a terrorist. One that still doesn't feel bad for what he did and wished he'd done more. Somehow I'm suppose to ignore these facts and that Obama has had numerouse questionable "friendships, working partners" with more than just 1 or 2, not sure what to call them. And then he wants to claim IGNORANCE of their beliefs and thoughts...especially after 20 years...again..NOT BUYING IT.


    I'll take the Veteren POW and a hockey mom over 2 MORE LAWYERS running this government...Thank you.

    • Posted By: Romero @ 11/02/2008 10:11:34 PM

      I really do not think it would have mattered what Mr. Obama would have said about his association with the people he associated with, most people and most possible you would have still not supported him. In politics facts are blown out of proportion. For example, I have worked with community organizers in my community who are nationalist radicals from places that happen to be part of our territory. I do not agree with their logic and line of thinking, however I have worked with them. I would never consider running for a polictical position, because there would be many (like yourself) that would not believe that I did not share these peoples sentiments. So please do not give excuses for not supporting Sen. Obama, vote as you please and do not give any excuses, because they fall on deaf ears. You have not made a convincing argument against Sen. Obama. All you have is very poor circumstancial evidence. I have lived in this country just about all of my life (I am now 62 years old), servied during the Vietnam War, and I do not put a flag on the lapel of my coat. I carry my patriotism in my heart., I do not have to prove to you or any one else my patriotism.

  • Posted By: hasdatruth @ 11/02/2008 9:26:58 PM

    It is absolutely beyond my understanding how a person can live in these United States, a melting pot of ethnicity, and still be a racist pig. I don't think it would matter how well qualified Senator Obama is to those who dislike him just because he's black. Far be it for this racist society to be led by the very race that has experienced the most oppression. The world outside of the United States is very different . The rest of the world is ethnically diverse and relatively free from the type of supremist racism that exists in the US. So I think the best thing people can do it to get over themselves about Obama being black because he WILL be the next PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 11/02/2008 9:24:38 PM

    It's just a really good thing that other country's can not vote in the United States Election!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Vote McCain/Palin 2008

  • Posted By: life2go @ 11/02/2008 9:19:48 PM

    LAST THING I WANT is ANOTHER PRESIDENT THAT WILL DO NOTHING. He talks good, the world seems to like him...but he feels like another Clinton to me. Say the things that are going to make people FEEL better, not do anything that will upset the other countries...a people pleaser. Especially as President I believe you have to be willing to make the hard (and unpopular decisions), I don't think Obama is up for it. You can't live life walking that PC
    It took the terrorists over 3 years (from everything I have read) to PLAN THE ATTACK???all right under Clintons Administration. I will agree that we didn???t finish the first job before going into Iraq???I never said I agreed with everything (when or how) that Bush has done. There have been mistakes made.
    1993
    Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
    1995
    Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
    1996
    June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
    1998
    Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
    2000
    Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
    2001
    Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)
    And if you look close you will see a reoccurring pattern of WHO..carried out these attacks and CLINTONS ADMINISTRATION DID NOTHING. If he had done something in his 8 years, we shouldn???t be here today.

  • Posted By: life2go @ 11/02/2008 9:15:22 PM

    I get tired as an American being told somehow that it is a bad thing. Why is it that we ourselves and the rest of the world seem to judge us as ONE. Yes, we are one country, but we are also individuals, with our own thoughts and beliefs and being able to disagree is one of the best things we have. We are allowed to disagree with each other and even the President...and yet we put weight into other countries opinions of us. Countries that if you disagreed with the President you could end up in jail or worse, that as a female you have no rights. Isn't it a sort of GLOBAL PROFILING. After 9-11 we (Americans) got hammered for automatically being suspicious of anyone of middle eastern decent, or if someone said that they were a Muslim. We were told that we shouldn't group and automatically assume anything of any one individual, because of course not ALL MUSLIMS ARE EXTREMIST OR TERRORIST. Not all Germans are Nazis. And yet, they (heck the world) judges us as one huge group and most of it is negative...we are called warmongers (for protecting ourselve) and the list goes one. And for whatever crazy reason we have allowed this to continue. What were we suppose to do after 9-11? We had already had the barracks bombing, the embassies, the first WTC and the USS Cole and our government barely batted an eye? . Maybe it is time to pull back, all the way back, leave the rest of the world alone and see how they like it without our money (can't happen realistically, but it might be nice). See that part of the US they don't mind. You can't invite or want someone to help you and then turn it around on them and tell them to mind their own business. You can't have it both ways, and so yes, sometimes you have to take the bad with the good. Humans aren???t perfect...mistakes get made.

  • Posted By: rpelley @ 11/02/2008 9:11:00 PM

    Democracy is too important to be left to those who refuse to research the facts and take their responsibilities to vote on the issues that matter most to them. Your mother was/is still right: DO YOUR HOMEWORK...THEN VOTE!!! My choice was clear, as is my conscience. I have never felt better about a vote in my life!

  • Posted By: Glenno @ 11/02/2008 7:52:16 PM

    Americans are so easiely manipulated. Acorn is the biggest threat to America?

    America has invaded two countries, threatening Iran with nuclear strike, bombing Pakistan and Syria, America funded the Georgians genocide against South Ossietia, America is number 53 in the world in free press, a corrupt empire with 13 trillion in debt, a dollar in collapse, building missile shield in Europe, organised coups in Ukraine and Georgia.

    But no no, Acorn; a voter orgainisation is your biggest threat to democracy!!!

  • Posted By: abe4600 @ 11/02/2008 7:28:20 PM

    The only way we can judge the two candidates is to look back the their campaign in the last two years.

    1) Who runned the most disiplined and well orgnized campaign?

    2) Who handled the economic crisies whith steady and careful approach?

    3) Last but not least, look into how they picked their VP.

    Irrespective of your party, you should look beyond race or age and pick a candidate based on they intelligence and judgement.

  • Posted By: cduff83 @ 11/02/2008 7:14:51 PM

    Thank you for bringing truth! I hope all of us will seek the truth on the candidates, issues, and how a society and world can function the best possible way with the best leadership in office- one's who are truthful, honest, have integrity, selflessness, and care about people, this country and this world.

  • Posted By: Glenno @ 11/02/2008 7:07:26 PM

    The world looks at the American election, because American aggression affects the rest of the world.

    Now that BBC and other European media are broadcasting the evidence from the Georgia conflict, they change their position and state the fact that it was Georgia that commited war crimes. When can we expect the same from american "free press"?

    I dont think we will see much of a difference; republican, democrats... all fascists. The world must start to reject the american empire.

  • Posted By: MissouriDemocrat @ 11/02/2008 6:10:34 PM

    The level of discourse here is discouraging at times. I'm a Democrat, and I'm not exactly a fan of Joe the Plumber. But I disapprove of the use of terminology like "Joe the Republican scumbag". I don't think Obama, who makes a point of trying to find dialogue with his opponents, and remain civilized despite the differences of opinion, would approve, either.

    Then there is cduff83, with his hate-filled, grammar- and syntax-busting, diatribe and name-calling. Makes me wonder what kind of educational system is left over in the US. But cdfuff83, for the record, when you accuse Obama of wanting to sell the US to "foreign investors", maybe you should consider what 8 years of Bush have done: the United States is deeply, deeply in debt to Communist China and a number of other Asian countries which keep buying up our bonds to keep our budget running. This amounts to several hundred billion dollars every year.. If China calls in those debts, then Americans will wake up one day to a prospect of higher taxes just to pay the Chinese off. No wonder Bush looks the other way at all the human rights and political abuses by the Chinese communists. Eight years ago, the US was running a budget surplus and starting to reform Social Security. Now, we have to worry about China and other Asian countries continuing to buy up our deficits. This is probably a bit too deep for cduff 83 to understand. But it's one of the reasons, beyond the greed of the capitalists on Wall Street, why our economic system is now in such deep trouble.

    • Posted By: cduff83 @ 11/02/2008 7:04:07 PM

      Actually, it's not too deep for me to understand, but thanks.

    • Posted By: cduff83 @ 11/02/2008 7:02:48 PM

      Actually it's not hate buddy, I appreciate your concern though, but it's the fact. Study Obama's agenda and his affiliations, educate yourself. I don't agree with everything Bush has done, I know our country is in debt to China and other's. I hope we have a candidate that can actually take the country away from the reliance on foreign nations, but Obama has many ties to European socialist leaders and their agenda- that is an unbiased fact. Actually I am probably more educated than you on many issues, maybe not all though. You have hate by attacking my intelligence and you have very ignorant remarks. The U.S. is full of too many ignorant people, Republican, Democrat, independent, wealthy, poor, middle class, etc.... I agree there are very many greedy people in this country and world and not enough who are generous and willing to actually make a change in this civilization. This country is so debt ridden, but so is our individualized society; consumer debt, due to borrowing personally more than each of us can afford and buying on ignorance of wants, are responsibilities each of us that have done this have to face. The greed of capitalist and big business that screw people is ridiculous as well, and does contribute negatively to the problem. Before Bush was in office, Clinton was in power and the economy, social security system, economic system, and education system were not better only because of him, there are many factors. I hope people will truly educate themselves on the candidates, the issues, and try to not be ignorant, myself included. The ignorance of our nation is our downfall and socialism is not the answer, capitalism has many greedy culprits, but what about small businesses who can thrive on capitalism and also create jobs. European socialism is the worst for this country, if we want to remain free in many ways, especially with personal freedoms. I hope the right candidate will be elected on Tuesday, one who will truly make a difference.

  • Posted By: MissouriDemocrat @ 11/02/2008 6:08:01 PM

    The level of discourse here is discouraging at times. I'm a Democrat, and I'm not exactly a fan of Joe the Plumber. But I disapprove of the use of terminology like "Joe the Republican scumbag". I don't think Obama, who makes a point of trying to find dialogue with his opponents, and remain civilized despite the differences of opinion, would approve, either.

    Then there is cduff83, with his hate-filled, grammar- and syntax-busting, diatribe and name-calling. Makes me wonder what kind of educational system is left over in the US. But cdfuff83, for the record, when you accuse Obama of wanting to sell the US to "foreign investors", maybe you should consider what 8 years of Bush have done: the United States is deeply, deeply in debt to Communist China and a number of other Asian countries which keep buying up our bonds to keep our budget running. This amounts to several hundred billion dollars every year.. If China calls in those debts, then Americans will wake up one day to a prospect of higher taxes just to pay the Chinese off. No wonder Bush looks the other way at all the human rights and political abuses by the Chinese communists. Eight years ago, the US was running a budget surplus and starting to reform Social Security. Now, we have to worry about China and other Asian countries continuing to buy up our deficits. This is probably a bit too deep for cduff 83 to understand. But it's one of the reasons, beyond the greed of the capitalists on Wall Street, why our economic system is now in such deep trouble.

    • Posted By: cduff83 @ 11/02/2008 7:02:10 PM

      Actually it's not hate buddy, I appreciate your concern though, but it's the fact. Study Obama's agenda and his affiliations, educate yourself. I don't agree with everything Bush has done, I know our country is in debt to China and other's. I hope we have a candidate that can actually take the country away from the reliance on foreign nations, but Obama has many ties to European socialist leaders and their agenda- that is an unbiased fact. Actually I am probably more educated than you on many issues, maybe not all though. You have hate by attacking my intelligence and you have very ignorant remarks. The U.S. is full of too many ignorant people, Republican, Democrat, independent, wealthy, poor, middle class, etc.... I agree there are very many greedy people in this country and world and not enough who are generous and willing to actually make a change in this civilization. This country is so debt ridden, but so is our individualized society; consumer debt, due to borrowing personally more than each of us can afford and buying on ignorance of wants, are responsibilities each of us that have done this have to face. The greed of capitalist and big business that screw people is ridiculous as well, and does contribute negatively to the problem. Before Bush was in office, Clinton was in power and the economy, social security system, economic system, and education system were not better only because of him, there are many factors. I hope people will truly educate themselves on the candidates, the issues, and try to not be ignorant, myself included. The ignorance of our nation is our downfall and socialism is not the answer, capitalism has many greedy culprits, but what about small businesses who can thrive on capitalism and also create jobs. European socialism is the worst for this country, if we want to remain free in many ways, especially with personal freedoms. I hope the right candidate will be elected on Tuesday, one who will truly make a difference.

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 11/02/2008 6:54:36 PM

    The world will be alot less excited when the media comes down to earth and starts reporting the truth. Obama, along with his democratic buddies in Congress, personally and professionally advocated for a residential housing policy favoring forced sub-prime lending, which subsequently resulted in massive defaults and foreclosures, leading to your loss of significant equity value in your home, to the point that it destabilized your banks, which panicked the stock market, which wiped out your savings.

    Look and listen to Obama for yourself. Obama in this video, addressing his community activist work and his work representing ACORN in litigation against the banks and relating to the Community Reinvestment Act, and addressing the failure of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae as those actions relate to the destruction of our economy by causing the current real estate and subsequent financial crisis, states that, and I quote:

    "Subprime lending started out as a good idea, helping Americans buy homes who previously could not afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories, and spread them out among investors and around the country, as well as around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky, and more diversified."

    Acknowledging the catastrophe, but as apologist for the Democrats, Obama then offers this justification.

    "The original idea was a good one, which was, lets see if we can distribute risk more broadly, and make it easier to provide loans to people who otherwise might not be able to get one."

    Yah, great idea. Economically unsound, but embraced by Obama. Listen for yourself. You cannot dispute the mans on words recorded live:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related


    Below is a link to C-SPAN video clips of the Congressional hearings at roughly the time McCains attempt at S.190. to fix Fannie and Freddie. See for yourself who said what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 11/02/2008 6:52:45 PM

    In the exchange with "Joe the plumber" Obama unintentionally revealed that he really is as radical as his early political mentors and acquaintances, Davis, Ayers, Wright, Khalidi etc., (gee, there sure seem to be a lot of them) and that he is into the failed economic policy of wealth redistribution. Now there is absolute proof. In 2001, Obama, the "community organizer" turned legislator, said in an interview:

    "And I think one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still suffer from that,"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

    2001 Chicago Public Radio Interview.

    Obama's tax and spending plans alone would be bad enough, but add Reid and Pelosi to the mix, with the three of them controlling both houses of Congress and the executive branch without any effective restraint, and you have something that should causes concern even among moderate Democrats.
    See Wall Street Journal: A Liberal Supermajority:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html

    Indeed, some democrats are publically saying as much. See Barney Franks comments on the news, including face the nation last week, stating essentially that Democrats in Congress intend to greatly raise taxes and go on a spending spree.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJGnSAlqjoU

    See http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23617.html

    Obama's ill-conceived programs will require him to tax, and his health care plan alone is a substantial hidden tax on all business, large an small. In reality, it does not really matter who he taxes, those taxes are going to be passed through the economy. He has to tax, because it is they only way he can pay for his massive social engineering experiments. Any first year economics student knows that taxation is a tool used to contract an economy experiencing inflation, because it reduces demand by reducing the amount of money individuals and businesses have to spend. It is contractionary, which is exactly what you do not want to do when the problem is that the economy is contracting already into recession. Like Hoover and FDR, Obama's plans will only make it worse for longer.

    See e.g. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/03/opinion/main4499465.shtml
    And
    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx


    The democrats failed social engineering policies in the housing market are what brought us to ruin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related
    Even Bill Clinton says so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE
    Obama and a supermajority of Democrats simply is not the change we need, nor is it change we can afford.

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 11/02/2008 6:50:40 PM

    Meanwhile, in the real world, there is the Court, and Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005),

    What does redistributive mean. Well, remember that it was the liberal Left-Wing Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court that brought us this little jewel, holding that the government could take your real property, like your home, not for public use like a road or school, but to give to another private individual, such as a political contributor or other party hack or interest group.

    Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States involving the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another to further economic development. The case arose from the condemnation by New London, Connecticut, of privately owned real property so that it could be used as part of a comprehensive redevelopment plan. The Court held in a 5-4 decision that the general benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified such redevelopment plans as a permissible "public use" under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the majority opinion; he was joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer

    The decision was widely criticized by American politicians and the general public. Many members of the general public viewed the outcome as a gross violation of property rights and as a misinterpretation of the Fifth Amendment, the consequence of which would be to benefit large corporations at the expense of individual homeowners and local communities. Some in the legal profession construe the public's outrage as being directed not at the interpretation of legal principles involved in the case, but at the broad moral principles of the general outcome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

  • Posted By: Penguin76 @ 11/02/2008 6:23:35 PM

    I really struggle w/ where anyone can still not see what has become of our nation from an opinionated global perspective. I hope this article helps connect the reason why we need to vote for someone who is progressive, optimistic, and emphatic in a way that includes all (as well as those beyond our borders). It's a global economy no matter how you spin the facts we are tied together. World opinion matters, largess of vision matters. After 7 years of America voting off of fear and divisiveness, it's not a negative outcome to vote for Hope, collaboration, and unity; not just within America, but around the world.

  • Posted By: DeBluHen @ 11/02/2008 5:56:41 PM

    cduff83: You need to get on a time machine and travel back to the Middle Ages, before the Renaissance and the 18th century Enlightenment. European socialism is NOT evil! Unbridled capitalism is evil. Look at what a financial mess it has landed the United Stated! And by the way, my European mother loves her health care!

    • Posted By: cduff83 @ 11/02/2008 6:22:53 PM

      Actually study socialism, capitalism, free market and fair market, then you compare history timelines, data, and interpret the better result for this country, I am not talking about greedy corrupt politicians and big business sob's. Socialism means more government control, wealth, and power, you take the time machine back through history and into the future --- do the math!

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