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Short-Circuiting the Vote

Tuesday's election will be the most technologically advanced in American history. But will it be the most reliable?

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  • Posted By: mckimberley @ 11/06/2008 3:01:58 PM

    The way the internet was used to mobilize a ridiculous amt of volunteers was unbelievable in this election - and hopefully a sign of what we can expect in service/volunteering for their communities from this younger generation that got out and helped elect Obama.

  • Posted By: life2go @ 11/05/2008 9:19:28 PM

    My problem especially with this election...is that in a way it doesn't stand up to everything we are told as an American. We are told and even Obama said that every vote counts and is important. But I can tell you that that is not necessarily how some people felt. The election was called before some states had even closed their voting. Basically telling them that THEIR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER OR COUNT. So they just walked away. Didn't matter who their vote was for, their vote still didn't matter.

    Feels like a big lie.....I'm not the only one that feels that way.

    • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/06/2008 11:51:33 AM

      That is true once the electoral vote reached 270, I thought it interesting the entire state of Florida became irrelevent before the results were announced in that state.
      But all the votes leading up to that point were very important. life changing I would say.

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/05/2008 9:09:00 PM

    George Soros finally got what he wanted! I have a feeling that his influence is going to extend well beyond the campaign stage. Everybody was touting what a great campaign Obama was running. But he wasn't running it. It was running him. With enough money you can buy anything. You can buy extreme order. George Soros is going to continue coddling Obama through his presidency to make him look good. He will likely be in contact with foreign leaders, buying their cooperation and easing their fears. The Democratic take over of congress was probably engineered long in advance. This also makes Obama's job easier and insulates him from the tough issues that presidents have to deal with in terms of senate battles between Republicans and Democrats. George Soros likely bought Obama an Army of advisors to answer any and all questions. Remember Soros is the financial genious that made his money off of the securities markets. He may have even had a hand in crashing the stock market to favor the Democrats just before the election. There is no way that the most unqualified presidential candidate in history got to where he did without such massive help. Some have speculated that after Obama won the Presidency, the media would turn on him and the honeymoon would be over but there is a broader agenda. Soros is buying up all of these newspapers that are endorsing Obama which is an attempt at a Socialist propaganda state. He will likely retain his control over the large media networks as well. What is the price Obama pays for having his ego stoked? An agenda that makes George Soros the grand puppet master of planet Earth!

  • Posted By: gugamaral @ 11/04/2008 9:24:47 AM

    Why americans don't pay better attention to the way of Brazil electoral system counts its votes??? What a shame USA!!!

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 4:29:18 PM

      We admit our Democracy/Republic is an imperfect expirement.
      It did give us Bush twice and we have had to suffer through it. BTW Petrobras is a great stock. There is a lot about Brazil that rocks.

      • Posted By: gugamaral @ 11/04/2008 9:43:17 PM

        Well, our brazilian model is also far from being that perfect, actually we live with a lot of imperfection around us. Lesson for all... perhaps looking for perfection has to do with breaking the resistance to new experiment!
        We, all over the world, just hope to this great nation of United State of America that the outcome of this election brings some real positive change.

  • Posted By: ObamaYesWeCan @ 11/04/2008 6:47:54 PM

    WITH INSURMOUNTABLE LEADS IN ALL THE POLLS, THE QUESTION IS NO LONGER WHO WILL WIN, BUT HOW BIG OF A LANDSLIDE OBAMA WILL WIN BY: 90%? 80%? 70%? HENCE, IT CAN ALREADY BE DECLARED THAT OUR SAVIOR, BARACK OBAMA, HAS WON AND WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF OUR NEW OBAMACA NATION.

    THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND DEDICATION. WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY SMITED THE UNBELIEVERS AND OPENED THE ONE AND ONLY GATE TO HEAVEN. GOD BLESS US, GOD BLESS US ALL.

    THE ONLY THING LEFT IS FOR MCCAIN TO DROP DEAD OR CONCEDE ALREADY. WE HAVE WON FOR THE GOOD OF THE WHOLE WORLD!

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 9:40:43 PM

      ObamaYesWeCan -- You are a fake!

  • Posted By: Quest_4_Best @ 11/04/2008 12:53:00 AM

    Why are we being besieged with information like this in virtually all U.S. media outlets . . . THE DAY BEFORE ELECTION DAY, when nothing can be done about it? When we fix the voting machine problem, let's fix the U.S. Media problem while we're at it. They screwed up the Iraq War coverage with their belated eurekas and now their aggravating the voting problem with yet another belated eureka and disclosure scenario. I have serious doubts as to whether this society has any learning curve whatsoever. This moron Newsweek login gauntlet for airing views can't even remember my Username and Password. It's imbeciles everywhere you look.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:28:42 AM

      Because they know this one can be stolen too. It won't be accepted by the nearly 80 million that will vote D that somehow the 54 million who voted R carried 270 electoral votes... but it is doable.
      BlackBoxVoting.Org
      "Hacking Democracy"
      There has to be such a wave of votes that fraud will be evident even to the casual observer.
      The last 2 Presidential Elections were certainly of questionable merit.

      • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 1:39:43 AM

        Braes-how can we get back our freedom to choose and the sanctity of our vote? Class action lawsuit? Any ideas?

        • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:56:06 AM

          We have to bury them in votes. Make the fraud so freakin apparent that congress will not accept the results and the election goes to the house.
          If the election is even close as a percentage in many states, it will just be fraud.
          Obama must not concede and walk off like limp-<Expletive> Kerry.
          In every state where an initaited act is lawful, get the law in your hands and find out how many signatures are required to get an Oregon style system on the ballot in each of 50 states. Make the law demand hand counts of votes. We have over 30 days from voting day to certify things, they can be counted in a couple.
          Election boards should contain a Jurist, and an equal number of members of each party that is in the contest, (or supporting/opposing a proposition, etc.)
          Put people in it and get machines out of it.
          As far as this election, I personally know from making calls that this state should go blue. None of the 'polling' data shows that but I live in the states one Republican area demographically. There are no R yard signs... etc.
          The R's started their sickest ads yesterday in our media market. That is obviously because they feel even this congressional district slipping away. (Arkansas 3rd)
          If you can watch the documentary "Hacking Democracy" you'll get the breadth and depth of the problem with machine tabulation systems. Every facet from the machines to the memory cards, to the tabulation computers is hackable and has been hacked already.
          They do it all right in front of you in the show from 2006.
          It will take an initated act of the people in states where that is a process of law to remove these machines.
          Expecting someone to do it for us is likely a foolish thing.
          (Southern Blue Dog D who voted Obama.)

          • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 2:05:38 AM

            I'm in Oregon and the mail ballot has been great but we have a lot of good people in government here and I'm not sure if we're using any of the questionable technologies. So the election system has to be changed state by state then? I did watch Hacking Democracy and I thought those Diebold machines were not being used anymore but I understand some places still are, good grief!

            • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 2:18:01 AM

              Yes good soul, they are in enough places to do the 'job.' The tabulating systems are also still mostly automated. I have a county by county map of where machines are deployed and it is strikingly similar to Karl Rove's 2006 electoral prediction map. (I'll be damned huh?)
              Stealing votes where you know you are going to lose by 10+ and stealing them from where you are likely to win by 10+ is not the operation. It is adding 9 votes average per precinct like in Ohio 2004 that wins the White House. I would hope that the campaign has a little left of those few hundred million for the costs of auditing every one of the counties in every one of the states that deviates from polling by 4% or the statistical norms for polling by service/location. Some are far more accurate and closer to 2%.
              If the youth of this nation do this old veteran proud, they will swamp the polls tomorrow and make theft detectable, obvious, and reversable.

              • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 2:23:35 AM

                Tomorrow hell, today. See, I am getting senile. It's freakin past midnight. I should be drunk and quiet by now.
                Vote today. All of you, even the ones who can't stand that I breathe, go vote.
                VOTE TODAY.

                • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 9:22:14 PM

                  I'll sure miss blogging with you, can I get a copy of that county map somewhere?

  • Posted By: hemi @ 11/04/2008 4:05:26 PM

    Man am I glad it will be over tonight. I can't stand to hear you right wing nutjobs fear mongering or the Obama change mantra anymore. Hopefully it will be a landslide so that there is no question about its validity and everyone to shut the hell up!!!

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 4:43:57 PM

      Shut up? Now now... likely one side will be very angry and begin Punditry tomorrow. Rush Limpbone will be getting his pills back on and talking more fertilizer than would be required to grow a mountain of biofuels. Glen Beck will see this as a sign of the end times, and go out Latino-hunting naked. Rudi will be found drunk in the bottom of a stairwell, smelling of elderberries and talking about 9/11 to no one in particular. Mike Huckabee will be on Fox trying to set the stage of the Huckabee/Palin theocratic ticket in 2012. Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter will get over the stigma and sneak in for a gay marriage. The remaining national Republicans will be doodling on napkins in between tears/vodkas, and remembering what a gavel felt like.
      Several will still try and explain that their downfall was all the fault of a few black kids somewhere. (Acorn, Sub-Prime, "That One")
      Oh and my party, they may just wake up with one hell of a hangover, and 30 years of conservatism to clean up after. If you have ever seen zoo elephants, giving one a 30 year head start before sending in the clown with the shovel makes for a very very sad clown. I have every reason to believe they are going to get what they want, good and hard. The Nation may just blow the Adult Swim whistle and hold them accountable. 60 Senators does that. Anything less and you will have sniveling passive agreeive types like Liebermann to deal with, who will try and claim they are making decisions based on principles... which for Joe means backstabbing. (Come on America, give me 64-5 D's so I can have old Joe kicked to the curb... He's a slimy bag of goo, with no chance for that marriage with Duncan Hunter.)
      I think the slamming will continue long after the election.
      I know I will have my mud to sling.

      • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 9:08:33 PM

        Hi Braes--where did you get that Diebold map, can I get a copy? I see your state is being given to McCain.

  • Posted By: austin c @ 11/04/2008 9:22:39 AM

    If the outcome of the general election agrees with the polls' prediction, Obama will be the biggest benefactor of the recent economic meltdown. He was able to gain big lead by placing all the blame to the lack of regulation by W. Bush and McCain. In many of Obama's speeches, he never mention the notorious subprime loans as the root cause of the mess, which resulted in trillion dollars worth of bad loans in the financial system. The fact is: there is a long history of subprime lending as a part of government sponsored welfare system, i.e. the great society programs by LBJ , Community Reinvestment act, Clinton's cabinet member push for less restriction on subprime loans, ACORN served as an enforcer of subprime loans, fannie and freddie are all more Demorcratic than Republic favoured

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 12:54:01 PM

      I'm a white as can be from a predominately white state with a middle class job who had so many 'sub-prime' offers pouring into my mailbox daily that it's clear to me the only people who benefited from this mess are the brokers who made deals and the bank executives who got big bonus checks then walked away rich. It wasn't just a Reb or Dem issue, it was non-partisan greed pure and simple.

  • Posted By: FREETHINKINGAMERICAN @ 11/04/2008 3:39:02 AM

    Thousands of lawyers, flawed voter lists, and machines we don't trust: is this any way to run a democracy?

    iNDEED.
    It is a source of some wonder and incredulity to me that the world's richest country, able to send a man to the moon, cannot organise an election process properly at the most basic, nuts-and bolts-level of recording and counting the votes in an efficient, transparent and honest manner.
    If America, the world's richest country of only 300 million people that prides itself on being the "city on the hill" cannot do hold an election efficiently and honestly, how can it have the nerve to expect a country like China of 1.3. billion people to hold democratic elections?

    And what is the point of having a two year, biliion dollar election campaign if at the end of it people cannot rely on on having their vote reliably recorded and counted?

    In the end, holding a truly free and fair election, like sending a man to the moon ( and having an honest and efficient financial system) is a matter of political will - which seems entirely lacking in the banana republic that is the US today.

  • Posted By: DianaRo @ 11/03/2008 2:07:42 PM

    I think that whichever candidate wins this election, global poverty needs to be one of the top issues on the agenda that he has. According to The Borgen Project:
    $30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
    $540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 2:40:43 AM

      If they cut current operations in Iraq, 120bln/year. Once they cut off the filthy contractors, you may get even bigger savings, without cutting any core function of the DoD.
      The greatest threats to civilization are from where the least civilization exists. Food security is cheap.
      I almost got sick when I saw that the UN relief aid in the Congo showed up with trucks of soap and Jerry cans for fuel. We need to make sure that the food gets to people. I was in Somalia, as a Blue Beret GI. You can not always feed all of the people all of the time, and you can not stop people from trying to kill you when you are feeding them, or their enemies.
      There is risk in aid delivery. You can not let the mission change into headhunting, even if it is the head of a genocidal killer, warlord, or other miscreant. Even when we had a much better image abroad, aid delivery was always tough. 1/3rd of the world goes to bed tonight without provisions for tomorrow.
      We can't fix it overnight, but we can try.

  • Posted By: lmhnw @ 11/04/2008 2:04:05 AM

    Could you tell me what is so "flawed" about lever machines? They are simple, hard to make errors on, and it's easy to verify that they are recording correctly. The biggest problem is that the votes are tallied immediately, so you can't remove any or trace them back later.

    I also don't see why it's taken so long for people to realize that printing out a receipt in no way guarantees the accuracy of vote tallies on electronic machines. Anyone who knows anything about programming should realize that what is printed on the receipt can easily be different from what is recorded internally. Let's all go with paper ballots, and optical scanners if you want a quick tally.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 2:20:44 AM

      The old lever machines only have one problem, no one makes them anymore.
      They worked perfectly, lasted nearly 40+ years a piece, and required almost no maintenance.
      Try and find a mechanical typewriter, manual calculator, adding machine, etc.
      They worked.

  • Posted By: mihertz @ 11/03/2008 11:46:10 PM

    I am one of millions of Americans who believe the last two presidential elections were stolen.
    It could very well happen this time again.
    How many times can we watch our country be stolen away from us before we lose our composure?

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/03/2008 11:47:56 PM

      The fact that partisianship is played by county officials who are entrusted with the vote is the biggest problem with getting a fair count.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:32:12 AM

        I might disagree. Most of them are hapless folks at the mercy of equipment well beyond their technical ability to monitor, and the systems are protected under trade secrets laws.
        Think top down. The fact that we elect people who couldn't count change at a diner to count votes a few times a year is a choice. Ours here are a little better than that extreme slam, but I have seen those people in registrars offices.
        The ghost is in the machine.

        • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 1:42:36 AM

          Harris of Florida in 2000 and Blackwell of Ohio in 2004?

          • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 2:10:39 AM

            Yes both corrupt as hell. Not any argument at all.
            Steele however had a guarantee from Diebolds CEO to deliver Ohio to the GOP in 2004. The ghost is in the machine.
            The machines are chosen and run by different levels of government in each state, differently. The GOP congress in 2002 used HAVA to shove tons of machines into places that couldn't operate a TI-95 calculator to solve an Algebra problem. The machines are totally dishonest and I do not trust them at all. There have been reports already of touch-screen systems miscounting votes. One even bombed on Oprah for goodness sake. Now you KNOW she didn't vote GOP. She is telling people to check their votes before closing it out.
            In the 2004 election, a dumpster diving operation proved Diebold Systems was recieving payments from a Republican party group.
            The answer is as the Oregonians provide, a mail in ballot system, where you get ballot information well in advance. I would also want manual counting, in public.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:00:56 AM

      I believe it. Please have anyone who wants to watch the documentary "Hacking Democracy" on HBO On Demand which is available on satellite and cable.
      This election must have a tidal wave of votes to overcome systemic fraud. It is top down fraud, not bottom up. No one but the companies have control of the elections.
      Check out Blackboxvoting.org, the lady is a hero.

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 11/03/2008 1:00:00 PM

    Funny how, despite Pennsylvania being such an important race, Newsweek took down their story on it yesterday after Obama's comments about his plan to bankrupt the Coal Industry surfaced.

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 1:34:07 AM

      Maybe you conservatives fear underhanded tactics since that's how your party operates, in psychology it's called 'projection'.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:38:31 AM

        Like that Texas trash who kicked her own a$$ and blamed it on an Obama supporter?
        That was the true 'jump the shark' moment in lowball sleaze.

  • Posted By: america2 @ 11/03/2008 1:42:09 PM

    What we have to do is INCORPORATE the WHOLE DAMN GOVERNMENT. America2inc.com Take Stock In America 2.0, Inc.

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 1:37:30 AM

      I thought it already was the United Corporation of America.

  • Posted By: Dreamtime @ 11/03/2008 2:28:10 PM

    It's with utter amazement to see how the USA votes for a president. It's no wonder that the standing of the USA in the world has been crumbling away. Apart from the total disrespect the Gop and its candidates have for their own countrymen and the Rovian scare tactics they apply to their subjects makes Guantanomo bay no surprise. Most of the Americans still do not understand how the global village is interlinked and still believe they can cry out my country first and hang on to the outdated principle of patriotism, which forms the stumbling block to solve most of the world's crisis. The level of superficial and abstract references republicans are voicing day in day out with abstract slogans like low or no taxes has not only lead to trillions of deficit but have been false promises by their candicates in every election since world war II. The total disrespect they show for their own people by choosing governor Palin as VP is really amazing and just her little over excited schooltrip wave shouldn't deserve any respect by the world.. The USA, socalled the most dominant and modern power on this earth, that militarily intervenes right around the world does not seem able to organize an efficient and unified voting system for its country. No wonder Bush was elected in a most shameful way and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And now after eight years beating around the bush we see people who have to endure two to ten hours waiting time to vote and must either be designed to drive people into total apathy for the political process or discourage making the trip to the booth. It's an utter shame and unacceptable and the world must be frowning and wondering why should this country dictate us on morals and democracy while it cannot organise a simple voting system in nowadays technology. It appears that 50 different countries are voting while the rest of the world holds its breath whether this archaic system delivers another proud military man to lead the world into other battles because he claims that he has been tested. But the total negative nonsense he delivers either shows he suffers from selective amnesia or he lost his factchecker notes. Maybe they should have debates with candidates connected to lie detectors so the people can rest assured that while they are wiping away the tears with the flag they can trust their emotional choice. No wonder every speech of an American president finishes with the expression may God bless America. Surely the GOP isn't going to steal another election. Maybe I should pray too.

    Rudy Heep

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/04/2008 1:35:48 AM

      We can only hope with the two battleground states that gave the election to Bush (Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004) having thrown out the crooked Secretaries of State we can have a fair count.

  • Posted By: Dreamtime @ 11/03/2008 2:30:47 PM

    It's with utter amazement to see how the USA votes for a president. It's no wonder that the standing of the USA in the world has been crumbling away. Apart from the total disrespect the Gop and its candidates have for their own countrymen and the Rovian scare tactics they apply to their subjects makes Guantanomo bay no surprise. Most of the Americans still do not understand how the global village is interlinked and still believe they can cry out my country first and hang on to the outdated principle of patriotism, which forms the stumbling block to solve most of the world's crisis. The level of superficial and abstract references republicans are voicing day in day out with abstract slogans like low or no taxes has not only lead to trillions of deficit but have been false promises by their candicates in every election since world war II. The total disrespect they show for their own people by choosing governor Palin as VP is really amazing and just her little over excited schooltrip wave shouldn't deserve any respect by the world.. The USA, socalled the most dominant and modern power on this earth, that militarily intervenes right around the world does not seem able to organize an efficient and unified voting system for its country. No wonder Bush was elected in a most shameful way and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And now after eight years beating around the bush we see people who have to endure two to ten hours waiting time to vote and must either be designed to drive people into total apathy for the political process or discourage making the trip to the booth. It's an utter shame and unacceptable and the world must be frowning and wondering why should this country dictate us on morals and democracy while it cannot organise a simple voting system in nowadays technology. It appears that 50 different countries are voting while the rest of the world holds its breath whether this archaic system delivers another proud military man to lead the world into other battles because he claims that he has been tested. But the total negative nonsense he delivers either shows he suffers from selective amnesia or he lost his factchecker notes. Maybe they should have debates with candidates connected to lie detectors so the people can rest assured that while they are wiping away the tears with the flag they can trust their emotional choice. No wonder every speech of an American president finishes with the expression may God bless America. Surely the GOP isn't going to steal another election. Maybe I should pray too.

    Rudy Heep

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:20:45 AM

      Each State has rights, and those include running elections. The check is that the house does not have to accept the electors of any state.
      I would like all of the states to adopt an easily auditable format, like Oregon's.
      The theft of elections here has a long history. Read up on the Brooks-Baxter war in Arkansas over the Governors mansion.
      I believe the GOP stole 2 elections. Gore was blocked by a Republican court. Kerry quit instead of fighting.
      I do not believe the Democratic Party will just lay down this time. If there is a feeling that this election was stolen, you can count on backlash, political at first, legal, economic and otherwise thereafter.

  • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 11/03/2008 3:12:27 PM


    Democracy is best served by a #2 pencil and a paper ballot.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/03/2008 3:51:00 PM

    More and more disturbing stuff on Obama's past and his real intentions are just starting to surface.

    As I predicted over a year ago ..... Obama is a big fraud and America is being duped !!

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:13:12 AM

      Oh you mean the sleazy ads that GOP pacs are running in the last 24 hours?
      Low impact, we tend to hear worse when the Klan actually marches.

  • Posted By: thinkgra @ 11/03/2008 6:57:39 PM

    Please, please, please consider following Oregon's lead and switch the nation to vote by mail paper ballots. A month before the election, the booklets arrive. You have the chance to see who's running and what proposals are offered. See what they have to say for themselves and what arguments, pro and con are offered for the various propositions. Two weeks later, the ballots arrive. You have time to read everything, talk it over, and make your mark. You put it in the envelope, sign it, and either drop it off at the election board office or public library or stick a stamp on it.
    If you don't get your ballot in a timely fashion, you have time to call the Board or drop by the local office and get your registration straightened out. Yes, you have to prove you are a legal voter and show proof of residency.
    I was a poll worker in Maryland before moving here, and this is so much better. No muss, no fuss, no waiting in line, no having to make last-minute decisions based on partial information and guesswork. No missed day at work.
    Start a petition! Email your Senator! Go Ducks!

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:11:07 AM

      Your system should be the model. Arkansas is full of the machines, enough to give this very blue state a red tinge today. There is only one Republican elected to any major office, a Congressman. There are Democratic officeholders in all other state and federal offices, sparing a few state legislators and senators. (The Democratic Party holds super-majorities veto proof in both chambers in the statehouse.)
      If the state is red tomorrow, audit audit audit. If the machines can not be verified on every single vote, throw them out.
      Yes, Oregon's system would be an excellent replacement.

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/03/2008 11:39:25 PM

      As an Oregonian I can say it is a good alternative but some states still have reservations. I propose Election Day should be a holiday along the lines of Christmas where all business is closed so the hourly wage earners can take the time to wait in line without risking their jobs or their pay.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/03/2008 7:28:45 PM

      Yeah, sounds like a good idea.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/03/2008 7:17:19 PM

    Premier Election Systems - formerly Diebold Election Systems - makes the machines that service 80% of American voters, many of them fully electronic and exposed to the open Internet.

    These electronic machines use databases that even I could hack - so could anyone with enough experience in Windows programming.

    Demand a paper ballot if you can.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/04/2008 1:06:22 AM

      Diebold even makes the central tabulating systems and the GEMS software. Even when you use a paper ballot as I did, once it leaves the optical scanner, you are at the mercy of theives.
      With a few trillion at stake, and control of hegemonic power, what is a little vote rigging and disenfranchisement... Hell they have the blood of thousands on their hands and could care less.

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