All this talk about your rights to your body... i agree with you, now don't be a hypocrite... give those same rights to the unborn child, they don't want you messing ( killing ) with their body...
Abortion hasn't been a central debate in the 2008 campaign. But that doesn't mean that its opponents feel any less strongly about it.
All this talk about your rights to your body... i agree with you, now don't be a hypocrite... give those same rights to the unborn child, they don't want you messing ( killing ) with their body...
Who are you or ANYONE else to dictate what I can or cannot do with MY body?! All the overcrowded prisons filled with violent and despicable criminals all point to pro-CHOICE. Decades of studies have proven that violent criminals are victims of child abuse and that there is no rehabilitation. And you want to bring more of them into the world?! Religion has NO BUSINESS in politics and any church donating to political campaigns should be TAXED. Separation of church and State. Keep your opinions to yourselves and hands off MY body and MY mind.
does your unborn child have the same rights you have...? the right to choose what is done with there body. our logic is warped...
I agree with you.
Does that give me a shot at the body?
Bojack - I'm signing off. Your ridiculous quotation of constant scriptures is getting old. You state no substance to your point and think that quoting pages of scriptures backs you up on your point. What don't put something of substance out there like websites that woman can visit if they are contemplating an abortion; counsel sites, etc. Your scriptures are just a mere way of hiding behind doing something about the problem. You are like your precious republican Presidents, they say they are Pro Life, get voted in by all of you "Pro Life" supporters but yet, time and time again, they DO NOTHING about it. I don't have to back that up with scripture, 35 years of history proves itself. You don't want programs to educate people, your republican Presidents don't want to provide funding for it and allow it to be taught so therefore, more and more abortions will happen. Sounds like they don't really give a crap to me. It's easy to say you're ProLife and stand behind your scriptures, but the end, you are all the same, you blow smoke out your mouth but do nothing about it.
Bye! You claim to be a Christian and hate scriptures.... you celebrate the 35 years of abortion and cannot support your stance on this issue with any scriptures. You say what about this and that and swallow the whole camel.......Selah!
It doesn't matter. Everyone is pro life. There is a big difference between being pro life and feeling like the government should have any say in such a personal matter. To vote or not vote based on how they feel personally about this is silly. It is far too personal an issue to think that the government can dictate right and wrong. Certainly the government can't be our moral compass on much of anything. As we've seen, they are dirty and ugly and corrupt.
Corrupt and dirty enough to allow infanticide. Great government!
Weren't you the one who said you were an atheist? How can you have such a hard stand on the issue without believing it is a religious issue?
You don't have to believe in god to believe killing 40 million children is a bad idea.
Well I would say you do when babies are a creation and blessing from God and not apes.
Then you have never seen my nephew!!
Dutchman - You must be a GW supporter and he is going down in history as the WORST President ever. He has done nothing he said he was going to do and certainly, nothing to appease the Pro Life supporters. He is as corrupt as they get.
I've supported much of what GW did. I can't imagine supporting a socialist obama. Leave socialism to europe. I say find american solutions to american problems.
Like we can't tell. And what have you done to change things?
I go to work every day. I married my wife 25 years ago and kept my wedding vows. I raised my son to be a man. I teach children how to read and write. I pay my taxes. I pay my bills. I even follow most of the law of this land. I like to think I'm part of the solution rather than a part of the problem.
I still don't see where you've bothered to do anything about it other than take care of yourself.
Interesting part of your statement....you follow most of the laws. So in other words, you are practicing the Freedom to Choose. Oh that's right, you choose not to believe in God but I haven't seen anyone judging you or dooming you to hell.
That's hard to do when we're too worried about Iraq and all their problems.
I'm not worried about iraq, Saddam is dead and they have the first democratically elected government in 10,000 years.
And they are still fighting and want us the heck out of there. Why was it our business to take Suddam out? Why aren't we in Darfur worried about all the hannis acts those people are enduring and all of the babies who are being murdered. Your argument makes no sense. Iraq is not nor was it ever the only hannis country out there who didn't practice democracy. Maybe that's why your party doesn't put too much concern into the issues you care about because they are too worried about being the police to all the other countries around us. Quit blaming the democrats for Roe v. Wade being enacted. That's been 35 years ago and since then, the republican party has had plenty of chances to do something about it and has failed to do so. Why do ya'll keep blaming the democratic party for it. Why don't you get angry with your own party and make them stand true to the promises they keep making you and breaking.
and your doing what to make a difference in the lives of these childeren???
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yea, thats what i thought now be quiet and step off of your soap box please.
I teach children to read.
Wiilan C Demuth. You disgust me. You are horrible. I hope if you ever WANT to have children, it will not happen for you.
I have plenty and if I need more I shall make them.
Doesn???t anyone have the courage to admit to be Pro Abortion anymore? I don???t mean Pro Choice, but Pro Abortion?
The benefits of abortion are reduced crime, reduced pollution, and reduced global warming. It is all good.
If someone does not want their children, please do us all the favor and abort them.
As for the idiots who blather on endlessly about the rights of the unborn, spare me the malarkey! If you actually cared you would be working to provide for the thousands of missed opportunities we already have populating our prisons, rehab clinics and mental institutions.
Darwin???s principals are GLORIOUS!
That was the promice. The reality was increased immigration from poor countries with cultures alien and sometimes hostile to our own. We didn't accomplish anything by killing 40 million of our own children. We just made room for someone else's children.
Oh NOO, not the alien sub humans. Your right, we should abort them and only keep our good christian aryan children!
Whether Willian C DeMuth's comment was being serious or not, I do have the courage to admit that not only am I pro-choice, but I am pro-abortion. Why are people so afraid of this term? Many pro-choicers are pro-choice and anti-abortion (because they still feel like it's morally wrong), but I don't think abortion is morally wrong. I support abortion, that makes me pro-abortion as opposed to anti-abortion. So no, I am not "pro-abortion" in the (incorrect) sense that if a women is faced with an unwanted pregnancy, we should force her to abort- that is called "anti-choice," something that is more closely aligned to the "pro-life" platform. Whatever she does is up to her.
But there ARE benefits to abortion, as the comment said: abortion are reduced crime, reduced pollution, and reduced global warming. So if someone want to have an abortion, I do not give a damn.
Say you were a lifeguard. On one side of the pool there are 10 kids drowning. On the other side, there is 1 kid drowning. You only have time to make it to one side of the pool. You're not sure what to do. Either you save the 10 kids and let the 1 kid die or save 1 kid and let 10 kids die.
It's called utilitarianism, guys. Greatest happiness for greatest amount of people. When it comes down to it, I would save the 10 kids. And in the lifeguard example, each kid has the same legal rights, has a life that is equally as valuable as anyone else. Just, on one side of the pool, there are 10 of those, and on the other side of the pool there is 1. And in abortion, it comes down to a nonsentient being with no legal rights vs. impact on society (which contains many ALREADY BORN persons).
I like this person.
I am also Pro beer, perhaps we can be friends?
You are why we can't get anywhere. You are disgusting and I hope you don't have kids and never are able to reproduce.
You are evil.
Jesus forgot to love the little fetuses
All the fetuses of the world
Red and yellow Black and White
Flush them down the toilet out of His sight.
Jesus doesn???t love the little fetuses of the world.
Jesus did nothing for all the fetuses
All the fetuses of the world
Red and yellow Black and white
They are meaningless in His sight.
Jesus did nothing for all the fetuses of the world.
Jesus abandoned all the fetuses
All the fetuses of the world
Red and yellow Black and white
They are meaningless in His sight.
Jesus forgot all the little fetuses of the world.
I think all of you who call yourselves "Pro Life" should quit using the democratic party as your scapegoat and take your issues up with your Republican party. Until Obama was voted into presidency, I didn't seen any of you protesting on the White House steps with your abortion signs, scriptures, and insisting that the President you voted in who stood on that platform and called himself Pro Life and vowed to do something about the issue, holding him to his word. Now that Obama is President and he is "Pro Choice", you all come out to call him a murderer and anyone else who supported him a murderer. If you want something done about the only issue you seem to care about because you obviously don't care about the homeless rate, all of the unemployed americans, all of those losing their homes, etc., etc., start attacking your republican party and hold their feet to the fire to do something about it. You're getting nowhere by blaming the democrats for the problem. You have voted in plenty of republican presidents who all said they were Pro Life but dang if I saw any of them go any further than that. So why isn't your problem with them. They are the ones who are suppose to support what you believe in. You're going to get nowhere with us who believe in Pro Choice for whatever reasons and are just blowing smoke in the wind in trying to do so. Take your scriptures, your signs, your literature, etc. and take your issues to your own party who has vowed to do something about it but for 35 years hasn't. And since none of them support any programs to help fund awareness, counseling, etc., be prepared to have the shoe on the other foot when people blame you for all the endless deaths that will occur not only to the unborn but also to the woman who are choosing to have abortions in the back allies. And when you succeed in taking away a woman's right to choose, be prepared for us to lobby to have your rights taken away. Such as the right to bear arms since so many unnecessary murders are occurring more and more everyday (look at the 8 year old boy who just murdered is father and friend just because he was mad at him). Your freedom to choose to hunt. I'm sure there are a lot of animal activist out there who believe that trophy hunting is nothing more than an unncessary killing of an animal. Your freedom to choose your religion. The freedom of choice does not just apply to one issue involving a woman, it applies to many of us who are free to choose everyday how we live, dress, express ourselves. Take away one right to choose and you'll succeed in having all of our rights dictated by the government which all of you already say Obama is going to do anyway.
Things to look out for under the Obamanation Presidency...
(1). If elected president, Barack Obama has promised to repeal the federal Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, which currently means states cannot be forced to recognize homosexual marriages that are legal in other states.
'Now if that happens, that will be like removing the dam and same-sex marriage will flood across the country, notwithstanding the fact that a state even has a constitutional amendment,' he contends. 'A state will be required to recognize either Massachusetts or California or some other state's same-sex marriage law. That means same-sex marriage will literally rush across the borders of all 50 states.'
(2). Obama promised Planned Parenthood 'The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom Of Choice Act.' Obama's top priority as president will be a law to reinstate partial birth abortion? Eliminate parental notification? And force taxpayers to fund abortions. This would also eliminate all laws banning abortions in the United States.
(3). Barack Obama will sign the Fairness Doctrine into law which will silence the voices of Christian Radio Stations if they do not allow opposing views against the bible. This law will require someone to speak out against the bible on the same station (giving their opposing views of the bible) and that radio station would have to pay for it themselves. This will cause budget issues and shut down many talk radio stations leaving many people in the dark from hearing the gospel???.. truck drivers, taxi drivers and those whose jobs keep them from attending church on a regular basis.
(4). Barack Obama will sign the Hate Crime Bill which would make it a crime to even speak out against homosexuality within the church walls or even in regular conversation. This will stifle the voices of the saints of God to call homosexuality a sin and will threaten them with fines and even putting them in jail.
(5). Barack Obama will raise taxes on not just the rich but poor as well and will cause this country to go into a Depression. This will divide the nation and cause many to loose their jobs and companies to either go overseas or raise their prices to get the same profits. Obama has already said that Coal Companies will go bankrupt under his economic plan. He even said this will cause the energy prices to skyrocket in the United States. If this happens then the whole world will feel the effects of the economic crisis of the United States.
(6). The fabric of Capitalism will be replaced with Socialism therefore causing or suppressing ideas and productivity within the United States. When production fails and people loose their enthusiasm our GDP will plunge.
(7). Barack Obama will not defend the rights of Israel and will cause a split of the country with a radical Islamic terrorist organization.
(8). Universal Health Care will be implemented into the system and will cause the United States to go deeper into debt. People will not have private insurance and those who have it will abandon it in place of free healthcare. This plan will fail because the cost will far exceed what anyone will expect. Hawaii (the home state in which Obama was born) recently did away with Universal health care because of the reasons stated above.
(5) doesn't make sense; we're already there and this is because of the "W" not Obama. He was just elected last night. How can he cause something when it's already come to pass. This is what makes these arguments ridiculous. And it's McCain that supported greatly keeping our jobs overseas. Geez.
Comment: (5) doesn't make sense; we're already there and this is because of the "W" not Obama.
I suggest you read comment number 5 again???. We are not in a Depression and haven???t even gone into a recession according to the definition of a recession. Many experts state that it is only an economic recession when GDP growth is negative for two consecutive quarters or more. However, for all practical purposes a recession starts when there are several quarters of slowing but still positive growth. Often a quarter of negative growth will occur, following by positive growth for several quarters, and then another quarter of negative growth. Also if you think that President Bush caused this economic crisis ???.. You need to research the real cause of this economic mess and I will debate it with you.
He was just elected last night. How can he cause something when it's already come to pass.
Yes he was just elected and if you are not in it (Depression) He can cause us to go there, so my statement is just my opinion on what I think where America is headed with Obama.
This is what makes these arguments ridiculous. And it's McCain that supported greatly keeping our jobs overseas. Geez.
Ok I have heard your rhetoric now prove the above statement that McCain supported keeping jobs overseas. And then tell me how many jobs went overseas because of the NAFTA trade agreement that President Clinton passed. So out of all of my arguments you choose on that you didn???t read carefully to give a correct refute to. Now of course this is just my opinion based on Obama???s past actions. There are eight points that I said would happen and this is if Obama doesn???t change his plans that he himself said he would do. So I predict his own actions will cause the following eight reactions.
(1) Barack Obama will raise taxes on not just the rich but poor as well and (2) will cause this country to go into a Depression. (3)This will divide the nation and (4) cause many to loose their jobs and (5) companies to either go overseas or raise their prices to get the same profits. (6) Obama has already said that Coal Companies will go bankrupt under his economic plan. He even said this (7) will cause the energy prices to skyrocket in the United States. (8) If this happens then the whole world will feel the effects of the economic crisis of the United States.
I don't know where you came from, but no your points don't make sense. But like you said they are your views and not mine. Our ecomony is the worst its ever been since the 1960s. Thousands of jobs have already been lost, my husband being included in there, the nations are already divided and I could go on. If George W. did such a wonderful job then why didn't McCain want to be associated with him and why have the experts said that one of the main reasons, the votes went away from McCain was because of the economy. And I read plenty of articles regarding overseas countries respecting yet not wanting Obama to be the next President because they were afraid he would take the jobs back to the US and their economy would then suffer and they believed that McCain would allow them to stay put. I haven't seen George W. bail us out of anything and there are PLENTY of Americans suffering. No jobs, no insurance, no 401k. I don't just think this, I'm one of the Americans going through it. The only thing the government gave us was $200 a week for unemployment and no insurance unless I wanted to pay $900 a month for COBRA! My calculations would have left us $100 in the hole with no one to bail us out. And a nation divide? Look around, we are surely divided. There is plenty of division on this one site alone. This did not start with Obama.
So my points don???t make sense to you because you cannot effectively refute them???.great debater you are!
I???m truly sorry for your financial situation that you and your husband have found yourself in today and wish and pray that you situation will change in the near future???
Now I do understand your hopes and frustrations under this current administration but to blame this economic meltdown solely on McCain or Bush or the republicans is to be deceived into believing that it was their policies alone that caused this economic meltdown. We will be here all day showing evidence that it is both democrats and republicans who are at fault here.
As for McCain distancing himself from an un-popular president is just command sense and blaming him for the economy just shows peoples ignorance about who cause this problem in the first place. No fault of McCain???s but he is feeling the wrath of the people???.although misdirected in my opinion but none the less wrath has been administered.
You quote what others believe McCain would do but give no references to back up or substantiate your quotes. This makes it hard to prove the validity of your statement and thus making it unbelievable
Bojack - First of all, I did not place the blame on McCain or republicans for the meltdown of our economy. I feel that we all play a part in how our country is run, democrats or republicans. It's more republicans than not that place all of the blame on democrats. I have the absolute upmost respect for McCain and was one of the ones who teetered on the fence of voting for him or Obama until Palin came along. There were plenty of republicans who teetered on the same fence and went the opposite direction. McCain absolutely did distance himself from Bush and how you can refute that is beyond me. All of this is moot at this point anyway and we could continue arguing this for many years to come. Democrats/Republicans, I don't care who you are or who you're for, we should just all agree to disagree and find a way to get along. We have republicans, democrats, uneducated, educated, well off, well not, losers, winners within my family, but that doesn't mean I love them any more or any less and certainly do not judge them for every decision they make that I may not agree with. Peace out.
So your convictions were put to the side when McCain picked a pro-life running partner???. Okay good choice you made their to sell your birthright for a piece of bread and lentil soup???. And as for me refuting that McCain distancing himself from president Bush???. Check my post again???. McCain has always distance himself from this president in how the war was being conducted and run by his party???. But you have been so much Obamanized you cannot see this.
Your comments don't even make sense.
LOL.... right and you are debating what? If you don't have anything to debate go back to your rocking chair .....
Isn't that where you are? In your rocking chair, typing quotes out of the bible? I feel certain you don't kow them by heart because your heart seems to be cluttered with hate and self righteousness.
Are you judging me Cat?....LOL.... I wouldn't care if you did or not... my problem with people like you is that you never back up what you say with scripture and when I use them you want to condemn me.... so it would seem that you are the one who is spilling out hate without knowin the word of God.... and even when it is quoted to you.... you reject it and go off your own mis-guided principles of justification of murdering the unborn.... only one father was a murderer from the beginning and it is whom you pay almage to when you defend the so-called choice.....
There you go again, calling me a murderer. I haven't murdered anyone you friggin idiot. Nor would I. Just because I believe a woman has the right to choose what she wants to do with her own body does not make me a murderer and I'm sick of you throwing that word around. You probably believe we are justified going into Iraq so I guess I would call you a murderer because I don't believe we had any right going in there. But that's my opinion, right just like yours is yours so back off me questioning my belief in God and calling me a murderer. I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING TO YOU WHATSOEVER. Believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.
I said you support a murderer.... but I understand when you identify with one who does such things you would take it personal....God is all about life and as scriptures (you know the ones that you hate) pointed out to you to choose life you still choose death. This false concept that it is just a woman's decision on whether or not she destroys the body of another human being is getting old. It is not her body that she is causing harm to even science has shown this yet you insist on questioning my intelligence....
It is funny to me that this whole topic is on the abortion issue and yet when confronted with facts and the truth you always try to justify the actions of killing the unborn by throwning up the Iraq war issue! So with your line of reasoning since we go to war ,we can kill the unborn?
No my point with the Iraq war is you're okay with murdering those innocent people who are over there for nothing more than payback but yet are so adamant about not killing an unborn child. What's the difference?
I support a man who is pro-choice. He is not calling for the murder of any babies. Once again, if you want to take away a woman's right to choose, be prepared for all rights to choose to be taken away. You can't just hold it to one issue simply because you believe it shouldn't be allowed for a woman to make that choice for herself. And as far as bringing up the war in Iraq, it's funny how all of you republicans who support Pro Life want to avoid the subject. Murder is murder, whether it be in a womb or on the ground without cause. Again, take your scriptures and your issues to your republican President that you voted into office because he stood for Pro Life but did nothing about it the issue and quit blaming the democrats for the problem. At least this President believes in funding programs and supporting programs to counsel woman before they make the choice rather than saying "I'm Pro Choice" and leave it at that. Your republican Presidents/Candidates say that they are "Pro Life" and that's as far as it goes. As far as trying to help the problem by providing funding, support, sex education in schools, they simply do nothing. That's been proven over and over now with every Republican president voted into office. They say they're Pro Life to get your vote and then do nothing they say they would. So, I would say your beef should be them since you voted for them on this issue that seems to be the only issue you care about. We have other problems other than this issue that need to be dealt with. Like economic, unemployment, etc. Do you not think that until these problems are addressed, more abortions will occur now more than ever. And who got us into this mess? Your President W. And I know, you'll blame in on the Clinton era over 8 years ago, but that argument just doesn't work anymore. Your President W didn't come into office with a trillion dollar deficit but actually came into office with a balanced budget and a surplus. So consumed with getting back at Suddam, he took our country down economically because all of our money is being spent in Iraq. And for what, pay back and nothing else. So yes, I call that murder too and all of your republicans seen to be just fine with it. Hypocrites if you ask me.
Bojack get off the scriptures. People don't have to quote scriptures to prove who they are and back up anything. Most people who run around quoting scriptures are just hiding behind them. You're an idiot and think you know everything and so far you haven't proved to me you know jack.
First of all I had no convictions, I live in complete peace knowing that God knows my heart and I know where my heart stands. As for not voting for John McCain just because he was "Pro Life", that was not the only issue I had an issue with. I also have an issue with being in a country and bankrupting our government for the sake of getting back at one individual because Daddy Bush couldn't do it. And to have another President come in and say he's going to stay in here. I don't think so. Not to mention the fact, I had to weigh in heavily on the fact that he is as old as the hills and could have stroked out or died before his four years was up and then we were left in the hands of Palin. I don't think so. We have a whole lot of issues before us now thanks to your President which did nothing for you as far as your abortion issues go but he sure has sacrificed a whole lot of our American lives and Iraqi lives for the sake of getting even because all of his initial reasons turned out to be lies. So, no I didn't go against my convictions for the sake of voting Obama, I am very comfortable with it. I figure he can't do any worse than where we are now and at least he does stand for promoting and funding programs that may help in preventing abortions in the first place unlike your choice of President McCain who voted every time against any such programs. Oh yeah, he voted 90% of the time with Bush. Seems to me that they talk out of both sides of their mouth.
Thank you, but I don't need your prayers. Especially when you are judging me and calling me a murderer because of my belief in a woman's right to choose. The Lord has heard my prayers and has answered all of them and we are fine. Our needs have always been met through his mercy and love and I have not needed any handouts. We learned a very valuable lesson of needs and wants and am proud to have been able to pass that lesson on to my children. My point of even mentioning that you is I know that my Lord and Saviour loves me as he continues to bless me everyday and I have always been told I have a very discerning spirit and thus, I have not been convicted of my beliefs to date and will gladly take my chances on Judgment day before him. God knows my heart beyond the shadow of doubt and he knows that my heart is not full of hate, but his love. Again, I do not believe in abortion but rather the Freedom to Choose. If you want the government to take away one right to the Freedom of Choice than expect to have all rights to Freedom of Choice taken away. You cannot think for a minute you are so special that you can judge a person according to their choices and scream and holler for their Freedom of Choice to be taken away because of your beliefs and expect to keep yours. it doesn't work that way. I am sure you make choices everyday that many people would not agree with and would like to see stop, but the fact is it is your choice to make and not ours. I have no idea what religion you are and don't really care, but there are some out there who believe that their religion should be the only religion of choice. Would you like the government to make that decision/choice for you?
First of all I never called are judge you as being a murderer???. Your own conscience is convicting you because nowhere in my post did I say this to you???.
Secondly it doesn???t matter if you think you need my prayers or not it is God who receives prayers and not you???. If my prayers are inline with the will of God he will hear them??? and it was a prayer that you and your loved one would do better and find yourself in a state of recovery from your financial crisis. So I think and know that according to scripture this is what God wants for you and your family???
3John.1
[2] Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Your statement fails to convince me that you have a discerning spirit and to leave it up to a chance that you would be right only shows you are sensual and not discerning through the Spirit of God. You are suppose to know the word of God and speak bodly concerning those things of God and not leave it to chances that you maybe right on judgment day. Discerning means to know the differnce between what is right and wrong??? How can you do this? By rightfully dividing the word of God??? which you have failed to do in any of your post??? so I say once again, ???show me where in scriptures that it says it is a woman???s right to chose and I will show you many scriptures where you are wrong.
How can you say that you love God and hate those who are created in His image? You say you don???t approve or believe in abortion yet you will not speak out against it as being the evil that it is. You just say that it should be a choice and when press to say whether that choice is evil or not you say you shouldn???t judge others actions??? yet scriptures tells us that we will judge angels and you are failing to even stand up and say that this is wrong. You straddle the fence with your lukewarm attitude and no doubt you haven???t read and taken to heart the meaning of these scriptures..
Rev.3
[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
2Tim.4
[1] I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
[2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Deut.30
[19] I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
As for the government making the decision for me on the choices that I have or don???t have ???. They do everyday making laws especially does that give my tax dollars to abortion clinics???
The real question is what religion you are claiming to be!
Quit standing behind your scriptures and get out there and do something for these children who have been born only to be thrown away into the foster care system and streets. Come on Dutchman, put your money where your mouth is. Don't think God won't ask you what good works you did here on earth to help these innocent children. I don't think he'll be too concerned about how well you knew his scriptures. Anyone can throw scriptures around. Action means more than words and I have failed to read what you've done to be "PRO ACTIVE" in standing behind your belief. I only read that you had one biological son. No mention of any other kids you've taken in whose mothers chose to have them only to throw them away. Could it be, you're only PRO ACTIVE to the ones still in uterine since they don't know what suffering means and therefore, that gets you off the hook of helping them. Funny how you basically accuse me of not practicing what I preach but I don't see much practicing out of you either other than practicing your bible.
It amazes me that you call yourself a Christian and support a pro-abortion agenda and then claim that you help those who are living like you are doing some great deed yet don???t speak out for those who are killed. Your justification for this is that they will be thrown away in the foster care systems so God understand if we kill them so that is why I???m for a woman to have the choice???..GET REAL!
As for anyone throwing around scriptures comment???.. I have never seen you post a scripture showing that your actions against the unborn are substantiated with your practice of silence. When people give you scriptures you trample upon it like the swine do???. It is because you are a pseudo Christian and believe that turning a blind eye to injustice and doing works that God will just wink at the bloodshed that is going on in this country. And if you knew anything about gifts in the church then you would know that everyone is not called to do the same thing but those who are gifted in that area are called.
You are far from being a Christian in my opinion especially when you haven???t presented one scripture to back up your stance that you have taken and when someone does present scriptures you scream like a demon possessed person not wanting to hear the truth of God???s word???..
As for you confusing me with Dutchman???. No offense taken ???. I???m nor confused like you and will not confuse you with a real Christian???. Pseudo
I don't need scriptures to back me up. The only thing you do is hide behind your scriptures. Read Psalms and Proverbs. God doesn't care about how many scriptures you quote pal. I do a whole lot of good works for a whole lot of disadvantaged people and I don't need to quote you scriptures. You are so funny to question me as a christian and acting the way you do and daring to cast the stones you have. You are the classic example of "do as I say and not as I do". I have yet to hear of anything you've done to help the children who are alive and living on our streets. Like I said, you must only care for the ones in uterine since all you will have to do to help them is quote scriptures. I'm guessing you sit in a chair with the bible in your lap, looking up all the words in the concordance only to retype the verse word for word and not having a clue what it means. You can quote anything you want but just because you read it one way doesn't mean five other people won't read it another. But of course, I'm sure you can refute that too. Until you start doing something for the kids who are living outside the womb and need help, don't preach to me about the ones who aren't. You words are doing nothing for them either.
You have to be either very young or lack common sense.... I see that you are worried after the children are born and not before they are born.... don't you know that you are treating the symptom instead of the root of the problem? Having respect for oneself and others will go a long way in preventing unwanted pregnancies, abortions, homelessness, abuse children .....etc.... one cannot keep on treating the problem without addressing the root cause.... The root cause is lack of respect for oneself and others, lack of morality within the community and family, missing fathers in childrens lives as seen in the following scriptures....
Mal.4
[5] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
[6] And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
It is easy to give someone something to eat, wear, and love them..... but when you teach them to do this to others is more important than what you will ever do for them... This comes with personal responsibility which you never seem to want to talk about in any of your post.... your position is to make excuses for others not being responsible for their own actions. You think that you are doing right by taking care of the ones that are here but have no love for the ones that didn't make it through selfish reasons... You have missed the whole point in the commandment, Love thy neighbor!..... even the unborn are your neighbors and they will be with me in heaven and know that I spoke out against the killing of the innocent..... what about you?
Okay Mr. Prophet and how are you going to change things? Are you kidding me?
Here are a few scriptures in Psalms and Proverbs why don't you read them...
Pss.119
[11] Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Pss.139
[13] For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
[14] I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
[15] My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
[16] Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
2Kgs.8
[12] And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
Pss.94
[20] Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
[21] They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
Pss.106
[37] Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
[38] And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
[39] Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
[40] Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.
Prov.6
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Isa.59
[7] Their feet run to evil, and they make hast to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
You have to be the typical Catholic who thinks that quoting scriptures makes you more Godly than others. Why don't you go quote the scriptures to all of your Priests who are out there molesting little boys. I don't need scriptures to back up who I am. Thanks for your advice though.
I'm not a Catholic as you believe and you do need scriptures because what you support and claim to be doesn't line up with scriptures....
Pss.119
[11] Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Pss.139
[13] For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
[14] I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
[15] My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
[16] Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
2Kgs.8
[12] And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
Pss.94
[20] Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
[21] They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
Pss.106
[37] Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
[38] And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
[39] Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
[40] Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.
Prov.6
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Isa.59
[7] Their feet run to evil, and they make hast to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Oops, called you Dutchman. Funny how I got you confused with an athiest. My bad.
I certainly don't claim to be the religion you are because my heart is not filled with hate and certainly does not judge one for what they believe is right or wrong. I think the God I serve has commanded me to love my neighbors as I love myself and says that the man who follows his own ways and only listens to himself is none other than a fool who will sure succumb to death. "Do not avenge your neighbors for vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord". If you need the exact scripture, let me know and I'll be happy to lead you to it. But as much as you quote, you should know it.
I live in peace. I know my heart, I know my spirit and I do not have to justify my opinons, beliefs or anything else to you or anyone else for that matter. Think what you want, quote all the scriptures you want, but I bet we'll meet one day in heaven and we'll see who was guilty of what. This is not the only issue out there that needs to be dealt with and that's been proven for 35 years since it's never been touched until it comes to running for President and then, it just falls to the waistside again never to be mentioned. Take this up with your party and see what ya'll can get done about it. It does no good arguing your position with any of us who believe in Freedom of Choice. Your energy is definitely wasted on this site quoting your scriptures. Why don't you go to Washington and make your President do what he said he would do before he leaves office. He's running out of time. He is a believer isn't he? Must not be if he didn't bother to stand by his word and repeal Roe v. Wade. Better yet, adoption is too expensive for you, then why don't you go out there and put your money where your mouth is and foster some of those kids that have no homes or families. I don't seem to recall you mentioning any of those kids you have living with you from foster care. Only want to cast stones at those who are taking a different position than you. Do you not think God will ask what you did to be proactive while down here on earth if you were so concerned about his children being murdered other than run your mouth.
You do not know what you are talking about. First of all I am tired of hearing people complaining about things with George Bush. That means you people with your cell phones, flat screen tv's, HD cable etc. You do not know how good you have it!!!!!!!The change Obama is talking about will make it so you cannot afford to have those things because jobs will be lost with the capital gains tax increase on big business an big business increasing prices on us to pay those taxes. Also, the ones who can still afford TV, radio, cable will have what you watch controlled by Obama. America, you got what you asked for. Most of you people complaining about George Bush were to young to remember what it was like when Jimmy Carter was the president.
I complain about Bush, and I was alive when Roosevelt was president.
Then you ought to know that this Fannie Mae started up under his administration and he made the Depression last longer by expanding the government.....
Excuse me....you scream at me and say I don't know how good I have it. Yes I do have a cell phone for work/safety reasons. I do not have any plasma tvs and/or big screen tvs for that matter. I do not drive a fancy car, I drive a Toyota mini-van. Not that it is any of your business, but my husband was one of the millions who lost his job and after one year and 2 mths. finally got another one making substantially less money with less benefits. He has no insurance, my two children have no insurance and because I work for a very small firm, I cannot afford to put them on my insurance. We had to use all of our retirement 401k monies because the only thing we received from unemployment was $200 per week and they would offer us COBRA insurance for $894.00 per month just for my husband, not insurance for children. We had our telephone turned off and learned out to eat very frugally. Now you say I have it made under this President? You don't know what you're talking about and you certainly don't know who I am. Look around you and see that our country is going down from YOUR President's mistakes. He is going down in history as the worst President ever....LOOK IT UP!!! I guess you don't watch the news to see all of the companies going out of business, all of the unemployed sitting in the welfare lines. Don't preach your precious W crap to me. You got what you asked for in 2000/2004 and if we take you down with Obama, OH WELL, get over it. Pay back is hell.
Don't let this guy get to you. He obviously has not mastered the simple ability of recognizing the obvious. That our country has invaded another country that was not a threat to us, and that this situation costs our country billions of dollars a month, seems perfectly logical to this guy. Why should it be a problem for W to squander away the budget surplus that the previous administration left for him? And what exactly has Jimmy Carter done since his time in the White House? Oh yeah, that's right. He just builds houses for poor people. And how many times has he been to the Middle East to mediate peace agreements since he as President? Guess he is not so useless afterall.
*since he was President*
Since you do have a computer, you may want to look on MSN at the headline Unemployment Highest in 14 Years. Read the article....240,000 jobs lost just in October. The highest seen since the last recession in 2001 (oh yeah W was President then too and the democrats didn't have control then). Even Ford Motor Co. is contemplating shutting down its plants. And we're not in too bad of shape yet, huh? Going to get worse after Obama, huh? I don't think so.
I think I just watched Joe the Plumber the other night on your precious Sean Hannity show get thrown under the bus for being on welfare. He was almost speechless afterwards. Jobs are already being lost all over the place and businesses are going out, Wall Street is a mess, so I'm not sure there are going to be any jobs to be lost under Obama. The most of us are already unemployed. And you say we have it made?
How do you know all of this is going to happen. You are just blowing republiican smoke.
You are a complete wacko.
Thanks.... that really convince me that you are right...... If you cannot debate what I posted then go back in the house and sit in the corner.....
Hmmm, 1-4 sound pretty good to me. 5 and up were off topic so I'm ignoring them. It is silly to think of homosexuality as evil or immoral. I have lots of homosexual friends and they are just like everyone else. They have careers and cars and homes and families. So I am glad we finally have a President who will stand up for their INALIENABLE RIGHTS. I am also pro-choice in the loosest terms. I think children should be educated about birth control and programs should be in place to make teens understand just how life altering such a "mistake" can be. That way less women will have to make the difficult decision of what to do with an unwanted pregnancy.
Oh, but it's ok to murder already born children, teens, and adults, because you can go to confession and be absolved! What rubbish and poppycock. Lisa, you need professional help.
You want real perversion? How about all those pedophilic catholic priests??!! Kindly keep your hypocrisy to yourselves.
President Obama said that he would be everyone's president and that he would try to earn the trust of those who did not vote for him by listening to them. Well, I voted for him because I feel he has a tender heart and as an answer to many prayers he will not neglect his own conscience. This is a time of high resolution and high expectations, not high-mindedness but practical considerations and personal accountability. It is a time when we may rightly expect it from politicians, financiers, drivers and every other adult with a brain. The penalties of drunk driving are rightly escalating as they are responsible for killing/maiming and ending/severely hampering the existence/potentail of lineages! The law demands they are held accountable for their choices that led to tragic consequences upon innocent parties. It should also follow that we hold men and women, who out of like carelessness or disregard, choose to end a perfectly good life for the sake of their own convenience. There were steps they could have taken to prevent conception if they were acting responsibly. A girl here had 3 abortions before she was 20. What is wrong with this picture? No wonder mothers are now killing their own children--they have no regard for LIFE!
Many couples desire children and their right to the pursuit of family happiness, but are unable to produce them themselves. There are healthier and happier solutions to unwanted pregnancy.
Did you enjoy your voting privilege? I did! How would you have felt if someone came along and shoved you out of line and told you you couldn't participate? You'd be pretty mad. Consider that only a small fraction of what a spirit feels when they learn their body is terminated! Oh you want proof, documentation, testimonials, evidence? Like an old football player/movie stiff hiding from murder conviction through semantics! History tells of countless individuals born into suffering who overcame and accomplished amazing achievements. A mother here was talked out of an abortion 20 years ago and said her 'unwanted son', now in med school has been the single-most greatest blessing of her life! Our greatest national treasure is children. Think about this, the reason why minorities are now the majority is because their people continued to have children and raise families. Heritage is something you pass on but means nothing if it is denied a rightful heir!
So your prayers have been answered! It is amazing how you go on and talk about hte pitfalls of abortion and elect on who is pro-abortion.... your priorites seemed to be mixed up to me... just my opinion.... and now you make excuses for not bring children in this world because we might neglect them.... so your answer is to murder them? You are straddling the fence and pretty soon it will split down the middle if you don't stand on one side or the other......Selah!
Bojack - Get your facts straight, he is not PRO ABORTION, he is PRO CHOICE just as McCain stated he was early on the race. Both said that they did not believe in "abortion" but did believe in a woman's right to choose. It's all about Pro Choice, not Pro Abortion. The only people making it a Pro Abortion issue is you. If you want the government to tell a woman she does not the right to make a decision that pertains to her own life and believes the government should have the right to make that decision for her then quit saying that Obama is going to be nothing but a dictator, because you are essentially asking the government to dictate to a woman what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You DO NOT the right nor should you to tell a woman if she is brutally raped or a 12 year old girl is made to become pregnant by her brother, uncle or father, that they have to follow through with the pregnancy when that experience could be more devastating to them than the procedure itself. Who do you think you are to feel like you should have that right. And ya'll are so quick to quote the scriptures but tell me, if you have a daughter or granddaughter and she gets raped and decides that the pain of the violent act is too hard to bear through a pregnancy and makes the decision to not go through with it, am I to assume you will turn your back on her and cast her into hell? If so, I would sadly have to reconsider the bible as my way of life knowing that this is where you base your facts and way of living from. If God intended the only commandment to be "thou shalt not kill", we would only have one commandment and not ten.
Old argument.... so he is pro-choice .... meaning that a child has a 0% chance with him in chosing life......hmmmm sounds like a death sentence to me... this is someone who said that he wouldn't want to punish his own daughter with a pregnancy.... so if this is how he views his own grand-children then how do you think that he would care for those others than his own? .... that question is already answered in his voting record..... He is PRO-ABORTION period!
Research your own facts too please. In 1999, John McCain himself said that Roe v. Wade should NOT be overturned and during then Presidential race said that although he did not believe in abortion, he also did not believe a woman's right to choose should be taken away from her. I heard it out of his own and via the internet. Whether he changed that statement to appeal to all of you, I don't know. But there is a reason why it wasn't an issue during this Presidential campaign. Funny how a big percentage of Catholics voted for Obama and you don't get more Pro Life than them. I also believe they are starting to see the bigger picture. Let's take care of the ones who are here and do our part to educate them, nurture them, love them, suppor them and maybe they won't have to make these choices. May I ask what you are doing in that respect? Before you ask me, I financially support homeless shelters, Boys & Girls Clubs, Foster organizations and St. Jude's. I also have several screwed up kids in my own immediate family who I take in and care for and mentor to and love and show affection to and am happy to see the difference I've made in their lives, as well as they parents' lives. I would be glad to open my home as a foster home without any assistance from the government if the government would leave them there and not have me get so attached only to have see them ripped out and sent back again to their parents who's rights come before theirs and I suspect a lot of people don't do it because of that fear. So as I said previously, I will take my chances before God on Judgment day for believing a woman has the right to choose and not you. I don't feel it's my right to take any of your Freedom of Choices away either. If you feel so passionate about your position, why don't you come up with a solution to prevent the need for abortion.
Candidates will change their position on a lot of issues as both have done??? but it is the voting record that counts and John McCain has voted consistently against abortion and Obama has voted consistently for abortion. The real issue here isn???t what people are saying but what they have done. Speaking of changing his statements to appeal to someone ??? Barrack tried to transfer himself into this angel of light but those who are rooted and ground in scripture can see straight through his hypocrisy.
Many people who go to church don???t even read the bible and especially Catholics. The real problem is that if you don???t have a heart for the unborn then you will not have a heart for those who are poor, un-educated and single mothers???. These are just fruits of the problems in society the real root is a moral issue.
The solution to abortion is to embrace morals that transfer into the choices one make to live a godly life. When you make excuses and blame others for the choices that you have made and justify the killing of the unborn as rights then you have failed morally to uphold the fundamentals of Christianity. So all those who say that they believe demonstrate their un-belief in what they practice. As for what I???m doing in regards of in respect of helping others??? telling them the truth goes a longer way than anything anyone can do??? and demonstrating this comes in many fashions??? I have been involved in a prison ministry, teaching bible classes, being a good father figure to my daughters and grand-daughter, helping fund the needs of the community through my church, give consistently to the work of God which have out-reaches in ministries all over the world. But who really cares about what you or I do??? just like it says in
And funny how he couldn't even adopt one of those American babies who all of your preach are wanted by so many people. He went outside the country to adopt. Go figure.
Get you story straight.... he (John McCain) didn't go outside the country to adopt.... his wife was outside the country and felt compassion towards the child and brought her home and they adopted her.... neither was seeking to adopt but circumstances lead them to do so....
Even so. His wife is a multimillionaire. Couldn't they do something like adopt children from America and provide them a good home. Instead of just saying we're Pro Life and leaving it at that. Words mean nothing; actions do.
I have one question for you. For a woman who has had an abortion for whatever reason and realizes what a mistake she has made and genuinely repents for her sin, is she forgiven? Just curious as to how you stand on this?
Of course she is forgiven! The real question is .... does a women ever come to the point that she forgives herself? When she does this she will have peace because God has already forgiven her for this sin.... just as he has forgiven me for my sins..... but we must accept His forgiveness in order to receive the peace of God....
As a matter of fact, yes. My bestfriend who was brutally raped by knifepoint almost to the point of being unrecognizable has never questioned her choice even though extremists like you believe she should have just went on and suffered the events of that day everyday for nine months to carry the baby. Easy for you to say and judge, you can't have kids. It's just perverted men who feel they should be able to invade the body of a woman and then people like you say too bad, you must carry it anyway. So what if the woman ends up committing suicide because the pain is too bearable? No one wins then. But you all have the right to condemn her and tell her what to do? I think not. If that's the way it's going to be and Freedom of Choice should be taken away from a woman then EVERYONE'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY and we should all live under Government laws. I hope like anything your daughter and/or granddaughter are never faced with being brutally raped only to have a hannis father like you tell them they have to carry the child and live everyday of the event until it's born. Or, what if they say screw you, I'm going to make my own decision because that's my right. What are you going to do or say then? I guess you'll be childless because I can't imagine you would stand by them with your hard stand on the issue. Hats off to ya Pal.
Yes you are right. John McCain has voted against abortion and EVERY PROGRAM OUT THERE TO PREVENT IT.
Every program out their to prevent it! GET REAL..... he voted to stop every procedure that aborts the unborn and Obama has voted against EVERY PROGRAM TO PREVENT IT.... even the case of babies being born alive under the Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA).....
For one thing, he hasn't stopped anything. Abortion still exists. He says he is Pro Life and that's it. He votes and/or stands for nothing that will aid in the one day prevention of abortion. Get your facts straight. Both he and Bush have voted against any programs, measures, etc. that would aid in woman being able to make a different choice other than abortion. So what they say they're Pro Life. They don't go any further than that. Sorry.
1Cor.13
[3] And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
So what if you do this and are not sound in the doctrine of Jesus Christ, then our work would be in vain. If you have love / charity it will require you to speak the truth and not wink at sin or make excuses for evil.
You can take your chances on judgment day to think that you are standing right with God yet you cannot even show one scripture to back up that it should be a woman???s choice if a child should be brought in this world or not. Get Real! Show me one scripture and I will switch sides and be the strongest advocate for a woman???s so-called choice. But when you take such a stance and have no substance to back it up with but only your misdirected belief that you are pleasing God then you are deceiving yourself. Here is a scripture to say what they are doing is evil???
2Kgs.8
[12] And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
Now show me where it says it should be a woman???s choice! You can try to portray a godly view of this situation all you want but the truth is that you and others are out of line in condoning this infanticide and worshiping of Molech passing your sons and daughters through the fire???.Selah! You and others are not worshiping God as you think and need to wake up out of your sleep of willful ignorance and read the scriptures and rightfully divided the word of Truth???..
In regards to that woman who had three abortions by the age of 20. What would happen if she had had those children? This woman clearly would not be a responsible mother and a benefit to society. All three children would be on every welfare program imaginable. Most likely these children's lives would have been spent in and out of Children's Services.
Is perversion possible in a pluralistic culture? On the face of it abortion is the most perverted act possible, made easy by modern medicine. Followed closely by LBGT marriage, it shocks the sensibility of culture. However, we live in a modern democratic, pluralistic culture in which perversion is protected. The only unacceptable act in America today is speaking the words I speak. Murdering your children is perverted, wedding a person of your own gender is perverted, and the reaction of many will be that I am perverted for writing this.
I don't believe that the writings and speeches of the Enlightenment were designed to bring us to this point. It is an unintended consequence. However, the Enlightenment 'freed us' from thinking about God. Freedom has become license to be and do anything. Holiness is eradicated from the public discourse. Our nation is now humbled by being financially cut off at the knees. Unthinkable that we would see the failure of our 'scientific' approach to culture. But here we are. There are consequences for perversion, we have perverted a culture and now we'll live with the consequences.
This would be a good time to repent from perversion, but I see little hope that the nation will do so.
Is it possible that our licentiousness has led to this humbling? We've done it all, embraced perversion
What I meant to say about the American Auto-worker is that Obama and other liberals, as well as Unions, have completely used these people to create a never ending cycle of dependancy on anyone but "self".
If a Christian truly analyzes Obama's rationale on most issues, you can come to the same conclusion as you do with abortion. On "Redistribution of Wealth": Making a poor person dependent on government, does not help them, it hinders their realization of their responsibility for their situation and makes them question their faith in God, also harming the children they may care for. Also one huge difference this year, in regards to abortion of "UNBORN" children vs. caring for children already born, is that Obama did vote against a measure that would protect or dignify the death of children who were "BORN" and left to die. That, to me, was a no-brainer for someone of faith or no faith. I'm not sure how much more plain it could get for the American Auto-Worker, but Democrats and Unions have made them over-priced for their industry.
Abortion will continue whether legal or illegal. I agree, it is a woman's decision, no matter what grumpy old men think about it. And, with the exploding overpopulation problem, I would think abortion would be the least of our worries.
Not only are they grumpy. Most are hypocrites,
Think about all the politicians that have affairs..is John Edwards the only one to get his pregnant? Why aren't there more love children out there?
Actually, Ronald Reagan abandoned his marriage to Jane Wyman when he got his mistress (Nancy Reagan) pregnant. Even the god of the Republican party had an issue with keeping procreation as only part of the marriage he was in at the time.
Personally, I think it would be useful if abortion proponents would at least be honest about Roe v. Wade. This isn't about a woman's "choice" and never has been. The woman made her choice when she decided to get pregnant. What Roe v. Wade is all about is giving a woman a politically expedient way to evade responsibility for her choice by destroying the life of another human being. In any other context, this would be called premeditated murder. Why not here? Why not be honest?
I believe that people who have made the conscious decision to have sex, should use reliable methods of birth control, including avoiding intercourse. But since women are more likely to be the victim of rape than men are, the ability to make the conscious decision is not always equivalent. Also, statistically, there are far single mothers as household providers than single fathers. Perhaps if there were more balance in this situation, your argument might hold more creditibilty. There are also other ways to satisfy sexual urges that do not have a possibility of resulting in pregnancy. Most adolescents have figured that out by now.
As I said in my earlier post, the Republican party better wake up. I have been pro-choice all of my life. I have been called a baby killer, Hitler and quite a few other names that are not fit to print. The pro-life movement simply can not understand how someone can be pro-choice, and yet not be pro-abortion. Everyone is pro-life until you know someone who must face a very difficult decision. When the health of the mother is at serious risk, there simply is no choice. But the issue is not how tragic the choice is, but who do you want involved in making this choice? What legislation do you draft? How many doctors must agree? What if the ultrasound tech made a mistake and the bones were not brittle? Do you charge them with involuntary manslaughter? This is a very horrible situation. As a result, I am very comfortable in leaving this decision to the woman and her doctor. I have faith that American woman do not get abortions because they have a headache or to fit in their prom dress. Thankfully, the people in South Dakota, as well as most the the persons in this country understand and agree with me.
Question then. What are you pro-choice about? What are you endorsing by your right to choose? What is the choice?
If it isn't ending LIFE....then I agree. But if the choice you are advocating will cause the end of a LIFE....then you have to be intellectually honest about it....you are pro-abortion.
You did not even bother to read my post so why bother with a response. I will only say I am the proud father of five children, all with my first and only wife. I simply believe God does not make every fertilized ovum at conception. If He did, in the case of rape, He is subjecting one of His children to a terrible ordeal.
This issue all depends on how you value life. I have to admit when it comes to a situation like rape, it is tough for me to say that a women should not have the choice to abort, but in most situations it is how you value life. The current culture we are in has taught very young kids that sex is ok, just protect yourself. It is rediculous. They were handing out condoms for god's sake at the democratice convention. So it starts there. If you have sex and get pregnant..deal with your mistake. It is very similar to this housing mess we are in. People all of sudden can't afford it and then want to not be held accountable. it is rediculous. Now with Obama we are possible looking at allowing babies not only to be killed after they are basically born, but alos then use them for science? Give me a break. What has this world come to. We are talking about a human life here.
This is what amazes me. You don't want abortions but you don't believe in preventing them either? How else are pregnancies going to be prevented if you don't promote protection and/or abstinence which by the way didn't work for Palin as we've all seen. If you don't educate people on protection, preferably abstinence, then expect more and more pregnancies which lead to more and more abortions. And you say Obama is just going to promote killing babies...where do you get this from? Yes he's pro-choice but he's not going to be calling for the abortions of any babies. You are so narrow minded. What he is going to do is promote and fund programs that hopefully will deter our children from making the mistake of having sex too early or out of context whatever you want to call it, and also provide a way for women who think that they're only way out is to have an abortion by making healthcare more affordable or counsel them on alternative plans for the child. Mr. McCain wasn't willing to support any of these programs and you're okay with him just because he says he's "Pro Life"? I doubt he ever intended to do anything about the abortion issue either (just like President W didn't do anything other than drop it by the waist side) so how would you have been better off with him since this is the only issue ya'll seem to care about? We've got to be able to do something to try and prevent the pregnancies if you don't want these needless abortions. Otherwise, what is your solution? Just tell a woman she can't do it and bam, it's done. I don't think so. It just leads to back alley abortions and then what do you have, a whole lot more lives lost than what we have now. Abortion is on the decline because of these programs so you want to vote for someone who wants to cut them out and end funding, just because he says he's "Pro Life". It doesn't make sense.
This site has moved me to do a little research of my own with respect to abortion. Although I do not believe in abortion, I do believe that it is not my right to decide what a woman should do with her own body. However, I have read quite a few articles on the issue and have found that abortion rates are at the lowest rate ever since 1976 mainly due to programs and education that are directed towards the prevention of pregnancy. I found this statement in the USA World News and have only included this part..."This study shows that prevention works, and that's what we provide in our health centers every day," Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood, said in a statement. "Planned Parenthood knows from daily experience that the best way to continue the downward trend is with policies that expand access to health care and real information. At the end of the day, Americans of all stripes believe that we need to do more to prevent unintended pregnancy and make health care affordable and accessible." My point is, Obama is about promoting and funding these programs. McCain was not. But you only choose to look at the small picture of who's "Pro Life" or whose "Pro Choice". You don't choose to look at the broader picture and vote for the ones who are actually for helping to prevent the problem itself. If you don't believe me, review their voting records yourself and/or search for yourself on the internet on either of their sites.
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