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  • Posted By: AKAmomcani @ 11/04/2008 9:40:03 AM

    The arguments to convince Christians to vote against their pro-life convictions are rediculous. Let the child live, and THEN debate the healthcare and other needs. There are hundreds of resources out there for support and assistance. There are millions of people looking to adopt , and they are able to take care of the "needs". There isn't just a desire for "white babies" , DaineSM, or else Americans wouldn't be flocking to places in Asia and South America to adopt. Many of the inter-racial holds from adopting black babies come from blacks, who don't want their babies being adopted by whites and "losing their black identities". They would rather abort them,.. and for those whites interested in keeping the number of blacks in control, abortion clinics in black neighborhoods fit their agenda perfectly.

  • Posted By: Spvd @ 11/04/2008 9:37:06 AM

    The repubs had years to outlaw abortion. Instead they have and are continuing to milk this issue for all it's worth. Remember Santorum. Had the repubs outlawed abortion, they would have voted themselves out of political power.

  • Posted By: prolifeconservative @ 11/04/2008 9:35:59 AM

    The reason that Christians are opposed to abortion is because it takes away your first fundamental right as humans (not only Christian humans, but ALL humans) the right to life. Once you take away your first right, all other rights fall as well. This IS why our society is in such ruin...not because of the current administration, but because of the initial court rulings on Roe vs Wade (and it more so began with the overturning of the 1873 Comstock Law saying that ALL forms of contraception are illegal then followed by Roe vs Wade in 1973)...it all began here and we can track it in history. To say that you are a pro-choice (pro-death) Catholic is contradictory because the basis of the faith is to protect life in all stages and to protect our fellow Catholics from this destruction...you cannot turn your back on this teaching.

  • Posted By: Spvd @ 11/04/2008 9:35:07 AM

    The repubs had years to outlaw abortion. Instead they have and are continuing to milk this issue for all it's worth. Remember Santorum. Had the repubs outlawed abortion, they would have voted themselves out of political power.

  • Posted By: readre @ 11/04/2008 9:34:30 AM

    And, if live-birth abortion is okay, why do we have laws that prosecute women who give birth and then promptly throw their unwanted newborn into a trash can? What???s the difference? Where???s the logic?

  • Posted By: allydo791 @ 11/04/2008 9:33:51 AM

    Great speech by Archbishop Charles Chaput on a Catholic's political responsibilities. Very informative.

    http://www.zenit.org/article-23964?l=english

  • Posted By: AmberJ3569 @ 11/04/2008 9:33:46 AM

    Great article. I am happy to know see published what I have known for years, there are many of us Pro-Choice Catholics out there. We need to focus on the lives of the people who are born, not the unborn. We call our fallen troops "collateral damage". While many are opposed to the war, few are out actively protesting it. What about all the abused children who are killed every year? they are just a blurb on the news. We

  • Posted By: Tweetie @ 11/04/2008 9:33:44 AM

    We had a discussion last week with some members of a church. They will vote for McCain/Palin because they are anti-abortion. That's the only thing that counts in their eyes. If people think like that, they are closing their eyes for the real problems this country is facing:. How can they be anti-abortion but say "yes" to the killing of thousands of innocent people and soldiers in a war like Iraq? How can it be okay if millions of people over here suffer from the bad economy, from healthcare not availabe to them? How can they, as Chrisitians who supposingly follow the 10 commandments, support a McCain/Palin ticket with a campaign full of lies, hatress, dishonesty? I will never get people like this!!!

  • Posted By: redboi5042001 @ 11/04/2008 9:33:26 AM

    Christians and I use the term lightly are so concerned about the unborn but care little or have no compassion for the children who are living. Children are beaten, abandoned, hungry and no one stands up for them or says they have "RIGHTS". Love the living

  • Posted By: mechancete @ 11/04/2008 9:31:31 AM

    I had an abortion. I do not regret it. The doctor at the clinic did not encourage me to make that decision. She made sure that was the choice that I wanted and said that if I chose not to, there were programs and people that she could get me in touch with that would help with the pregnancy. She told me that I had time and to make sure that this is what I wanted because there was no reversing it if I changed my mind tomorrow. I thought about it. I did it. Five years later, I still feel it was the correct decision. Fyi, this doctor was at Planned Parenthood and she made sure it was right for me by offering information for going either way and not pushing my decision.

    And for anyone who says that a doctor would encourage an abortion because they make money off of it, abortion is one doctor visit, pregnancy is many plus a lifetime of visits for the child. Abortion does not make financial sense for a doctor.

  • Posted By: march21 @ 11/04/2008 7:44:39 AM

    babies were not killed in the millions until this century chief.

    • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 7:52:59 AM

      I would imagine march21 that (of course), you havent adopted any of these precious minority babies your so passionate about saving. You know, giving them a good home so that they dont break into your home in 15 years and steal your stereo for drugs. Then youll blame it on lack of parental supervision...lol
      Well, heres your chance, adopt one today!
      No, you say? Hmmm...Ill take "Who is part of the problem instead of part of the solution," for 200 Alex.

      • Posted By: RegularJoe @ 11/04/2008 8:23:14 AM

        I'm not really sure why others haven't responded to this, because it's not that hard to do. The answer is in fact "none", because abortion has made the number of unwanted babies who survive to birth rare. There are far more parents who would like to adopt than there are available children. If Roe were overturned, that would change, and we who oppose abortion would, in fact, have a slightly higher obligation to care for them -- which we would manage easily, considering we already run virtually all of the orphanages & children's homes, food pantries, and other benevolences in the country.

        But all of that misses the point. If I say that you shouldn't kill your 5-year-old, does that obligate me to adopt him? Of course not! When you drive a car, you take responsibility for mistakes you make. When you shoot a gun, ditto. Likewise, when you have sex you assume the responsibility if a child is conceived.

        But have no doubt: people of faith who have always provided for the unfortunate will continue to do so, and would consider caring for children -- rather than having them killed -- a "high class problem."

        BTW, I wish I could hang around and debate this with you. You'll have the last word, because I have to get to work. All you McCain folks out there, don't assume the polls are right. VOTE!!

        • Posted By: DianeSM @ 11/04/2008 9:28:59 AM

          Oh hell no!! There isn't a waiting list for afoptive parents because there are no kids to adopt, there is a waiting list because they all want white babies. The older kids and minority kids get nothing!

  • Posted By: Andrea555 @ 11/04/2008 9:26:34 AM

    I pray you are right jazzben. (Sorry, I had not seen your posts regarding the Freedom of Choice Act.) I am heartsick over this act because it will not only bring about a return of unrestricted partial birth abortions, but it may bring about a return of unrestricted partial birth abortions at public expense. I will not willingly pay taxes to kill babies. That is a violation of my religious liberties.

  • Posted By: Peanut Santiago @ 11/04/2008 9:25:39 AM

    My very religious Catholic grandmother had 3 daughters...and then 3 abortions for what she admits were financial concerns and not wanting a big family. This was back in the late 1940s and were obviously illegal abortions. *** Little ol' "heathen" pro-lifer me...has 4 kids and 0 abortions...and now I am too old. *** Go figure.....

  • Posted By: RegularJoe @ 11/04/2008 8:26:15 AM

    floridacadman >>...adopt them when theyre born...have ya done that yet?

    Easy answer: John McCain has!

    Beyond that, I'm not really sure why others haven't responded to this, because it's not that hard to do. The answer is in fact "none", because abortion has made the number of unwanted babies who survive to birth rare. There are far more parents who would like to adopt than there are available children. If Roe were overturned, that would change, and we who oppose abortion would, in fact, have a slightly higher obligation to care for them -- which we would manage easily, considering we already run virtually all of the orphanages & children's homes, food pantries, and other benevolences in the country.

    But all of that misses the point. If I say that you shouldn't kill your 5-year-old, does that obligate me to adopt him? Of course not! When you drive a car, you take responsibility for mistakes you make. When you shoot a gun, ditto. Likewise, when you have sex you assume the responsibility if a child is conceived.

    But have no doubt: people of faith who have always provided for the unfortunate will continue to do so, and would consider caring for children -- rather than having them killed -- a "high class problem."

    BTW, I wish I could hang around and debate this with you. You'll have the last word, because I have to get to work. All you McCain folks out there, don't assume the polls are right. VOTE!!

    • Posted By: MotherOfOne28 @ 11/04/2008 9:23:29 AM

      You are kidding me with this crap right.."There are more parents who would like to adopt than there are available children" . What world are you living in? There are so many starving children around the world who would love to find a good home. where are these people who would want to adopt? why not go adopt some of those? Why bring a child into this world, if you cannot take care of it (though contraceptives are quite cheap), God forbid this child is adopted and abused....(happens quite often).

      I am a mother of one and I could never imagine my life without my little girl, I thank God for her everyday. Women who had to make the difficult choice of having an abortion, I am sure they had a reason for doing so, whether good or not. The christian thing to do is not judge them for this decision, but help them to come to terms with it if they need help.

      I would never want to impose what I believe on someone else, therefore I think everywoman has the right to have an abortion if she wants. She is the only one who will have to asnwer to God for her decision not you.

      Like you I work as well, but I had to take a few mins. to reply to right wing crap.

      Obama/Biden will win and make the change America so needs (unless the election is rig then we are all screwed)

    • Posted By: Peanut Santiago @ 11/04/2008 9:17:35 AM

      There are PLENTY of babies and kids to adopt...they just did not come out perfect.

  • Posted By: dlcdd1982 @ 11/04/2008 7:55:08 AM

    Obama is FOR Partial Birth Abortion. Check it out for yourself and see how barbaric it is. Then you decide if you want someone who has such a low regard for innocent life running our country. Be very careful!!

    • Posted By: 1truechristian1 @ 11/04/2008 9:20:25 AM

      Low regard for life includes sending soldiers to be maimed and tortured while their families struggle financially all in the name of oil.

  • Posted By: jazzben @ 11/04/2008 9:20:02 AM

    Abortion is a quantum leap away from other issues like environment, poverty, health care, etc. How can I have a "right" to health care, clean air, a living wage, if I don't have the more primary right to life itself?

    Kmiec's argument that pro-lifers can work on the state level failr, because Obama has already promised that, if elected, he will sign into law, immediately, the Freedom of Choice Act. This will eliminate any state or local restrictions on abortion on demand, right up to the last days of pregnancy.

    But I believe that in time a critical mass of American citizens will see this issue for what it really is, even apart from church teachings. It's a civil rights issue, pure and simple, and when enough of us see that the preborn are the violated minority of our own time, abortion will come to an end. How can the "right" to choose be more primary than the "right" to life?

    So I have hope.

  • Posted By: vatrekfan2 @ 11/04/2008 8:03:07 AM

    All the people who support, voted for and in any way help keep the killing of innocent babies legal will all be swinging from a noose when the revolution comes.

    • Posted By: unityfirst23 @ 11/04/2008 9:19:21 AM

      I don't believe in abortion but who are you to say that they will hang. each person is responsible for their own actions. further more this isn't up for debate this is a woman issue. my children were not planned and i had a child at 17 but he was not the mistake. the mistake was the government does not put out enough information for teens to better understand unprotected sex. there should more done to help our children. since this such a sin what do you think happen to pregnant unwed teens? do you think god has forgotten about them. i guess everyones believe is different. also how come everyone that says their pro-life forgets about the death penalty????? who are we to play god?

  • Posted By: cr8zyc00ter @ 11/04/2008 7:55:10 AM

    what about the rights of the Father.....it is their baby also and they don't even need to be informed when a woman deciedes to abort......if you don't want to have a baby you shouldn't be having sex, period.....

    • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 7:57:18 AM

      As long as there are boys and girls, theres gonna be sex. Nice try cr8zy, but your point is pointless.

      • Posted By: cr8zyc00ter @ 11/04/2008 8:03:53 AM

        I agree, but if you choose to have the sex then you need to deal with the results....with out killing the helpless baby in the process.......especially without having to talk with the Father or the parents if it is a minor that is pregnant.......

        • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 8:10:10 AM

          In a perfect world maybe, but we arent in it. People will have sex, married or not, grown up or not. The question is, whatcha gonna do with alll these kids your hell bent for leather on storing someplace until theyre old enough to rob you? Not one supporter of pro-life has said they have adopted a minority baby, not one.

          • Posted By: 1truechristian1 @ 11/04/2008 9:19:09 AM

            Are we saying that only minorities are having abortions?

          • Posted By: wifenmother4evr @ 11/04/2008 8:15:45 AM

            Wow, I'd have to venture to guess that you haven't spoken with every pro-life individual. I know many that have adopted "minority" babies. It just doesn't make sense to me that people try to soothe their conscience with statements like yours. Murder of a child is still murder of a child whether the child was wanted or unwanted.

            • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 8:26:39 AM

              Right, its always someone else that does the adopting or someone elses kid that gets killed in an unjust war. Typical republican right wing answer.

              • Posted By: wifenmother4evr @ 11/04/2008 8:35:11 AM

                In all honesty I didn't want to make my comment overly personal. Yes, indeed, we have adopted two "minority" children. We choose not to think of them as thus. They are our children and are part of our family. We would never put a label on them to feel as if they don't belong. floridacadman, you are not as informed as you think you are. You are just one of the many blind followers who got trapped in the rhetoric that plays on our American values...."freedom", "choice", "liberty". Alone they are all wonderful ideals that this nation holds to, attached to the idea of abortion they are truly evil. Hitler thought he was doing everyone a favor wiping out so many jews, elderly, christians, etc... just as you think you're doing the world a favor by killing off children who may or may not one day end up in a gang or addicted to drugs. Read the statistics, even kids in a two parent, loving home sometimes stray to those dark places. A person is a person, no matter how small. That you place insignificance upon certain individuals is your own sin you'll have to answer for.

  • Posted By: Andrea555 @ 11/04/2008 9:18:40 AM

    "Work on the state level for restrictions?" When Obama is elected President he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act as he has promised and all federal and state restrictions will be stricken down. From Section 6 of the text:" This Act applies to every Federal, State, and local statute, ordinance, regulation, administrative order, decision, policy, practice, or other action enacted, adopted, or implemented before, on, or after the date of enactment of this Act."

    There will be no working on state restrictions.

  • Posted By: faithshield @ 11/04/2008 9:16:58 AM

    Dear emmel: Morality has always, and will always, be legislated. The only question is whose morality will prevail. Abortion is not a morality issue. It is an issue of legality. In ancient Rome, Patricide was legal. A father could legally kill his offspring (for any reason). Today, we are saying that killing an unborn child is legal. In either case, one man's morality is another man's murder. What does your conscience tell you about killing an unborn child? I think, deep down, you know it is wrong.

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