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  • Posted By: march21 @ 11/04/2008 7:28:59 AM

    You probably haven't seen the statistic that so many african-american babies are aborted that the race itself is going in the hole. Barrack hasn't told his constituents that after saying he's more pro choice than Hilliary. People who are democratic and republican in both cases very few actually know the facts about our society so they vote ignorance. How lazy have we become to quit listening. How many problems have arose since the Ten Commandments have been taken out of school. There were no school shootings in the fifties. How stupid to think a nation can survive without Jesus in the decision making process.

  • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 6:25:34 AM

    These right wingers crack me up. What my wife does with her body is none of your business. And, if life is so sacred, why then at 18 years old, (still a child), do we hand them a gun and tell them to go die for a group of people thatd cut our throats for what we have in our pockets? I dont think 5 of them is worth even one of our kids, even a right wingers kid.
    The old double standard, religious hypocrisy in action.

    • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 6:55:36 AM

      the 18 year old with a gun volunteered and was trained to go up against the guy who would kill him as soon as spit, and he volunteered to do it so that you can continue to whine in freedom.

      • Posted By: ProudWomanProfessional @ 11/04/2008 7:20:20 AM

        Yes, so far they have volunteered, and thank God for them. BUT... McCain and his crew will be the most likely to reinstate the draft. Then it's the GOVERNMENT sending your child to be killed.

        Is it right that we have a fighting force redeployed two, three, four and even five times? Is it right to take people who thought they were signing up for the NATIONAL Guard (as in protecting the homeland, if needed) to a foreign country in a real war, for several deployments yet deny them the basic veterans benefits that the regular forces receive? Is it right to have 50 year olds serving on the front lines under that little gotcha the present administration came up with?

        Bush, the fundamentalists have had eight years to run it their way. And oh, what a whopper it's been.

        • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 7:27:50 AM

          ARMY National Guard. And the contract says that you can be deployed in to engage enemies of the American way of life, both foreign and domestic. If you read that and sign the paper anyway, deployment shouldn't be a surprise. And as for McCain reinstituting a draft? Doubtful. Obama's the socialist. I think if he imposes a draft he should be the first name on the list. I am actually terrified of a commander in chief who has never worn combat boots himself.

      • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 7:10:15 AM

        Sorry vacreeper, this war has nothing to do with our freedom...learn to read, you may actually educate yourself.

        • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 7:16:38 AM

          I was talking about him serving in the military in general, not this war in specific. If you are naive enough to think that your freedoms would still exist if our military was not so assertive - even when we're wrong - then perhaps you need some educating yourself. Think of the fun Osama Bin Laden could have had with us if he hadn't been forced into hiding post 9/11. Might he have attacked your neighborhood next? A bunch of dumb kids with guns are a big part of the reason he didn't. Show some appreciation rather than bigotry and ignorance.

          • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 7:22:29 AM

            I fully believe there is a threat in the middle east. Thats the scarey part of screwing around with a battered broken country in a war that your precious president himself declared "mission accomplished" 6 damn years ago. While we are feeding his ego with our children lives and 10 billion a month, we are ignoring Iran and Korea. You think Iraqs a threat? Weve killed it, wed better regroup and quit screwing around, or there will be a problem in your fron yard.

  • Posted By: lilady2008 @ 11/04/2008 7:22:04 AM

    On abortion, regardless of "law" we still have robberies, murderers, and women who are beaten daily. Even if you got a small moral victory of it being illegal there would be 100 times more illegal, inhumane abortions. Are there not bigger issues we should worry about? We don't always agree with our parents views on certain issues does that make them not worthy of our love? This world needs a little more "God like" understanding and alot less condemning.

  • Posted By: wanker42 @ 11/04/2008 7:21:38 AM

    The United States is one of a very few democracies which has not legislated this issue. As a result, elections become corrupted by this divisive debate. When the Republicans had a monopoly on power, from 2002-2006, why did no one in the 'moral' party suggest such legislation? They could have passed anything! Moreover, why has no one on either side of the aisle called for a national referendum on the issue? Both sides are afraid of the outcome!

  • Posted By: agnstheflow @ 11/04/2008 6:53:50 AM

    If a woman throws her baby out the window is it her choice? Obama's freedom of choice act says the baby can be aborted up until 9 months! Where is the line drawn to tell us when the lump of flesh growing inside us turns into a human baby when if when killed, the person doing the killing deserves the death penalty? (like in so many cases where people are throwing to the ground, stomping, even microwaving their babies in the news these days)
    What if.....a couple wants to have a baby to love and take care of has a baby a week early. At the same time a teenager comes in at 8 months and two weeks and doesn't want her baby. Are there physical differences between a baby who will be loved and a baby who isn't wanted?
    There is a blind madness in this country. Have we lost our humanity? I think it's a spell. We all need to wake up from it right now. If at least for the missing taxpaying workers who were aborted 20-30 years ago. Maybe we wouldn???t have the economic problems we are having today if there weren't missing a portion of our taxpaying population!

    Do you think the killiing will end here? Or are gas chambers in our future?

    • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 6:56:54 AM

      Just curious, how many minority babies have you adopted?

  • Posted By: joey25 @ 11/04/2008 6:33:05 AM

    Just because something has a heart beat, doesn't make it human silly. Fetuses are not sentient, which is why I have no moral problem with abortion. This might sound mean, but it's like removing a wart you don't want. It's alive, but it's not "human".

    Nice article.

    • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 6:47:09 AM

      So we would have to assume that you have never taken biology? Because if the DNA is human after birth, and the DNA does not magically change in the birth canal, then the DNA of a fetus is also human. By the way, EKG readings on preterm babies say that they are sentient too. Babies aborted fewer than 18 weeks post conception (barely into the second trimester) have active brain function, and respond to painful stimuli. If only they could scream...

  • Posted By: lagata @ 11/04/2008 6:44:22 AM

    I, for one, am grateful and relieved that abortion has not played a major role in this campaign because as a political issue it has done little other than divide this country and make it virtually impossible for good people on both sides to work together for reforms that will actually have an impact on the number of abortions performed in this country - namely, health care reform.

    Just a couple of days ago, the NYTimes ran an article titled "Women Buying Health Policies Pay a Penalty" (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/us/30insure.html?ref=health) and it was about how women may pay up to 50% more for health insurance than men, largely because of the costs related to women's reproductive and childbearing capacities. Does this strike anyone as a "pro-life" or even "pro-child" situation? Universal/single-payer health care for all Americans would probably do 100 x more good in terms of reducing abortions in the U.S. than any legislative restrictions passed in the last 30 years, and yet every self-described "pro-lifer" I know rails against "socialized health care" and "government intrusions" (as if some fatcat politician telling me what to do with my body isn't a "government intrusion"!) and has voted against politicians who support meaningful health care reform. As far as I'm concerned, when anti-choice activists take to the streets to demand universal health care for men, women and children - or AT LEAST demand that for-profit health insurance companies stop charging women more for having babies - then, and only then will they have earned the title "pro-life."

  • Posted By: usersuz1 @ 11/04/2008 6:41:58 AM

    The abortion issue is back where it started: in the churches, and that's where it belongs. Good people can differ on subjects like this, and it has become clear to enough folks in the anti-abortion movement that they have been used by the Right, coldly and with calculation, to achieve a political objective. All their efforts to make this dogma the law of the land have alienated them, isolated them, from the political mainstream and stiffened the opposition, that's all. Whether you stand on one side of the argument or the other, to be a one-issue voter makes you incredibly vulnerable to the manipulative element, which in politics is legion. Case in point: we have fundamentalist Christians, including right-wing Catholics to thank for the disastrous eight years of George Bush, and they know it. Go ye, and sin no more!

  • Posted By: sawyernathan @ 11/04/2008 6:39:06 AM

    Abortion is no longer even an issue; if Bush and the Republican's thought it was so important why didn't they have something done about it when they had control of congress when he was President. Also, if my memory serves me correct we have a Republican Supreme Court right now and huh they are not overturning Roe V. Wade. So this is not an issue the Republicans do not want this issue to go away they use it to prey on the poor christian vote just like they use the issue of gay marriage.

  • Posted By: jehuck @ 11/04/2008 6:37:19 AM

    1.5 MILLION babies a year are legally aborted in this country! That's 40+ MILLION since Roe vs. Wade. It's time to wake up to this infantcide in America. Obama fully supports any and all types of abortions, partial birth (yes the baby can be killed at full term as long as it's not completely out of the womb), late term abortion, etc. and voted against saving babies who survive abortions, 4 times I might add.. It's time to wake up the reality of this issue in America!!

  • Posted By: jehuck @ 11/04/2008 6:32:16 AM

    Approximately 1.5 MILLION babies are aborted each year!!! = 40 MILLION+ since Roe vs. Wade. Guys and gals, it's time to wake up to the reality this infantcide. Obama is a strong advocate of abortion rights, even partial birth abortion with no term limits, and he has voted against saving an aborted baby that is still living outside the womb, 4 times I might add. What is this world coming to???!!!

  • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 5:41:17 AM

    All religion aside: I work in the medical profession. Medically speaking, a life exists when there is a heartbeat to sustain it. The unborn human baby has a heartbeat at eight days post conception. By the time the average woman learns of her pregnancy, her child's heart has been beating 150-175 time per minute for 3-4 weeks. Anyone who looks as an unborn child as a nonliving thing has either not carried a child or chooses dehumanize the "fetus" for the sake of convenience. And as for the doctors who know better? I say only this: "First, do no harm..."

    • Posted By: peaceshalom @ 11/04/2008 5:56:10 AM

      Isn't life over when there is no heartbeat and no brainwaves? A heartbeat to sustain it? an 8 day old fetus heart can sustain the life of the fetus? I'm not saying that abortion is acceptable, but I do question the open endedness of the defination of life existing.

      • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 6:05:08 AM

        A fetus or an adult human that has a heartbeat will continue to grow and thrive unless an external force act upon them. Abortion is by definition an external force. If you take something that has a heartbeat and act on it in such a way that the heartbeat stops, even my four-year-old would tell you "You got him dead." Isn't that murder?

  • Posted By: steven tomski @ 11/04/2008 5:56:12 AM

    Christians should read Frances Beckwith (Cradle Catholic, turned Evangelical Professor and former President of Evangelical Society, revert adult Catholic) for cogent religious and non-religious reasons for opposing abortion. He is a preeminent scholar.

  • Posted By: kimme051 @ 11/03/2008 10:28:42 PM

    the trouble with religious people backing a republican is that then they are saying that the lies, war mongering, greed, evil preventing of social programs and all the other evil, are all tied to el Jesus. they can't have it both ways. they want to put their hands into some girl's body and tell her what to do with her private business and then turn around and rape the world in god's name. shame shame





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    • Posted By: focus123 @ 11/04/2008 12:00:12 AM

      Your comment, kimmeo, is a sweeping generalization. I am a Christian, who opposes abortion, senseless wars, greed, mammoth government and socialistic economic policies. However, I'm voting for McCain - not because he's perfect or has all the answers, but because his voting record and experience is more closely aligned with my core beliefs. No Christian ties insanity to Jesus. Raping the world is done in the name of sinful men. The message of Jesus Christ is a message of life. That will never change.

      • Posted By: peaceshalom @ 11/04/2008 5:52:38 AM

        While I agree that the message of Jesus Christ is a message of life, when does that message of life become politicized? When did Jesus become a poltical juggernaut? When did Jesus become pro-war, pro-government, pro-corpoation, pro-America? The fault of the Religious Right is not in opposing abortion, it is in seeking power and politicial influence in this world. Jesus said that his Kingdom is not of this world, he said to give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's, Paul says that our citizenship is not on this planet. Christians are selling Christ out in Christ's name. Jesus is not an American, he is not a Republican or a Democrat, he does not see racial or political lines, but he sees Children that he suffered seperation from his father in order to save. Stop invoking his name in the political field. Stop taking and using his name in vain. Pray for our leaders, but stop putting religious titles on them when they are doing a secular job.

  • Posted By: Bernermom @ 11/04/2008 5:37:31 AM

    I'd like to see the Right to Lifers put their money where their mouths are: ban hunting, ban testing on live animals, go vegetarian. Or change their label to Right to Human Life Only.

    • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 5:45:47 AM

      Don't let it confuse you. It IS the right to human life. The Bible says the man is made in God's image. When you destroy a human life, you in very simple terms killing something that is sacred. Also in the Bible is the killing of animals both for food and sacrificial purposes. As for animal testing - I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't address that one. But the Bible was written as a guide for living, not a tool to win political arguments.

  • Posted By: citizen dug @ 11/04/2008 5:44:37 AM

    "...mean hearted rhetoric"?
    Why are pro-life voters so often viewed in this way? Why is such viceral concern for the unborn so repulsive to those who choose to ignore this silent segment of humanity? If these unborn beings are human this is a human rights issue. How many mentions of: Darfur, the Congo or old- African- ladies -who -live -in -the -Boston -projects has Senator Obama made in his eloquent speeches? What about cold, calculated and callus campaigning to maintain political expedience? Isn't that "mean hearted"? And oh yes, the so called "rationale" makes me mad.

  • Posted By: Bernermom @ 11/04/2008 5:36:05 AM

    I'd like to see the Right to Lifers put their money where their mouths are: ban hunting, ban lab animal testing, go vegetarian. Or change their label to "Right to Human Life Only".

  • Posted By: standup @ 11/04/2008 5:31:24 AM

    It's simple, it's murder. Obama has been quoted as "Ready to sign the FOCA bill". Why wasn't this openly discussed. It will lead to wholesale abortions. Why didn't the Public hear a lot about this. I am saddened to I see Catholics attending Sunday Mass with Obama stickers on their bumpers.

  • Posted By: standup @ 11/04/2008 5:25:53 AM

    It's simple. Abortion is murder

  • Posted By: Dolmance @ 11/04/2008 4:42:11 AM

    Fortunately, the majority of Americans have risen from their political torpor to take back the country from the crackpots who've been running around like horses in a china shop for the last several decades. And they really can't believe it's true. But finally, the tap is off for that constant infusion of judicial sadists that Bush Jr. and his father packed the court with during their awful tenures. And all it took was the hideous spector of an oilman (Bush) and a sociopathic tobacco executive (Rove) and Mr. Halliburton (Cheney) to finally get the people off their rear ends and go vote. The Republicans are being run out of town on a rail. The Religious Right sunk McCain, and the next Republican candidate for President who kowtows to that gang of bigots is going to get sunk too.

    • Posted By: vacreeper @ 11/04/2008 5:12:37 AM

      What a mix of scrambled idioms and empty invective. If you expect the rest of your democratic audience to understand that, you may want to utilize a dictionary. Preferably an English one.
      As a military member I shudder to think that the possibility is very real that my job and indeed my life could soon be controlled by someone who has never worn the uniform. Everyone is so worried about Joe the Plumber. What about the soldiers who live paycheck to paycheck while we defend Joe the Plumber's rights to complain?

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