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  • Posted By: irish_mo8 @ 11/09/2008 10:18:46 AM

    it amazes me how people can retionalize women's right to abortion.  Do  Pro Choicers, who believe in God ,actually think  He looks down at a woman going through an abortion and says, ' good choice"?  With the moral degeneration of society, God has been replaced by "IDOLS' such as Money, Power, Reputation, Beauty and such.

    "Every abortion changes the course of History ". It's something to think about.

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 11/09/2008 10:15:19 AM

    Sorry for the typos...

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 11/09/2008 10:11:13 AM

    The ctistian right is one of the backbones of the nation. They are moral & patriotic. However,they must accept that USA is a secular state. They must accept that the scientific truth must be the guide for lawmaking.
    There is no lifemno "soul",no brain before the 12th week in pregnancy.
    So,there is nop issue,till that time...

    Politically,that issue is marginalising the Reps.
    Demographics don't help.
    America is in danger of returning to the post war Dem dominance,when the tax top rate was 70%...

  • Posted By: Gregorio @ 11/09/2008 8:19:39 AM

    Abortion is not "just another issue" anymore than slavery was "just another issue" during the Civil War. It is more important than the economy and any other issue. I guess slave owners could have said, " It's not slavery, it's an 'economic choice' ". Same logic as 'reproductive choice' and evil is still central to that choice.









    Over 3600 babies are aborted in the U.S. everyday!

    While you sit comfortably at your keyboard real blood is being shed. I think many 'pro-choice' advocates would change their thinking if they had to actually witness an abortion. It is a baby that is dying! No amount of rhetoric or eloquence will change that fact.

    The abortion issue will NOT go away until Roe vs. Wade is overturned.

    A newborn baby is no more able to care for itself than an embryo. Is not an embryo a child, deserving of the basic right to live, before it is born?

    We legislate many issues that are religious. Thou shall not kill; Thou shall not steal and so forth. Where is your indignation of religious meddling on these issues?









    While you sit comfortably at your keyboard real blood is being shed. I think many 'pro-choice' advocates would change their thinking if they had to actually witness an abortion. It is a baby that is dying! No amount of rhetoric or eloquence will change that fact.

    The abortion issue will NOT go away until Roe vs. Wade is overturned.

    A newborn baby is no more able to care for itself than an embryo. Is not an embryo a child, deserving of the basic right to live, before it is born?

    We legislate many issues that are religious. Thou shall not kill; Thou shall not steal and so forth. Where is your indignation of religious meddling on these issues?

    • Posted By: CAHeider @ 11/09/2008 10:09:18 AM

      Where did you get your figure of 3600 a day?

  • Posted By: LDM1982 @ 11/09/2008 9:33:31 AM

    I will NEVER give my vote to anyone who doesn't oppose abortion. You can justify the processand reason all you want, but I will never be okay with taking the life of an unborn child. With people standing in line to adopt children, whether here or abroad, would it be so awful to carry the child to term and have it adopted by people who desperately want a baby? Everyone seems to assume these "unwanted" children will be born to welfare mothers, and the snowball rolls from there. There are options.

  • Posted By: swimfast @ 11/09/2008 9:01:32 AM

    Why is it that Republicans want the government out of everything except for a womans uterus? Why is it that Republicans want every child born regardless of the situation but don't support SCHIP? As far as statistics go, I would be curious to see how many executed criminals came from a home that wanted and loved them. And, aren't wars responsible for innocent deaths as well? The best way to prevent abortions is to educate our children honestly and provide birth control. Until our country accepts this position, choice is necessary.

  • Posted By: dayshad @ 11/09/2008 9:00:42 AM

    THIS ARTICLE GIVES WORDS TO ALL MY THOUGHTS THIS WEEK!!!! I am an evangelical christian but could not vote for McCain. Yes, I have been pro-life since I was a teen (I am now 36). I voted in the primaries for Mitt Romney and not Mr. Huckabee going against all my other peers. There has to be a point where all issues should be laid out on the table and looked in a common sense order. Is the abortion issue number one in my mind this year? Not even close. I have not been thrilled with the Iraq war and was bewildered when I saw McCain's stance on the war during the primaries. That was the foremost issue in my mind. I definitely WOULD NOT have voted for Mrs. Clinton if she represented the democrats, but Obama was ok in my mind. And then the final straw was Mrs. Palin. I definitely think she was over her head in this arena. So who to choose, Obama's stance on the war and choice of running mate definitely prevailed for me.

  • Posted By: jebachman @ 11/09/2008 8:23:26 AM

    This issue is absolutely killing the Republican party. It was a non-issue in the campaign this year because a high turnout was expected and the electorate is overwhelming pro-choice. I know there will be many persons who will disagree. My answer to them is two words: South Dakota. McCain won South Dakota with 55% of the vote. The same percentage that voters rejected outlawing abortion , except for rape, incest and the health of the mother. I have made numerous posts regarding this issue and it is rather pointless. I am the father of 5 children, all with my first and only wife. She had to terminate a pregnancy because the baby's bones were so brittle, it would not have survived birth and she could have bled to death. In situations such as this, who does the pro-life movement want to make the decision? The same goes for rape. It is not a question of numbers because it does occur. So is there an exception for health or rape? If there is and the rapist is found innocent, do you charge the victim and the doctor with murder? The only answer is this country must have faith in the woman and her doctor that they will make the correct decision. I realize it is not perfect, but what is the alternative? I know someone will reply the alternative is millions of babys being killed. Most Americans can distinguish between a baby born alive and a fertilized ovum.

  • Posted By: EYFF @ 11/04/2008 8:33:06 PM

    Who will speak for the unborn?? Who will support our graying population?
    Death is big business: war, murder, abortion, funeral, etc.
    Each group has its plausible arguments, justification and platform.
    We all agree that killing and death are bad and/or sad.
    When a female found herself with an unwanted pregnancy what solutions can society offer her??
    Is legal killing of her unwanted unborn her only option?
    Millions of childless American couples are trying desperately to adopt children in the US, Africa, Asia, Europe, Australia, etc to complete their families.
    If a woman does not want her baby surely these families would love to have the baby.
    It could be cheaper than Federal funded abortion clinics for the Government to provide the necessary prenatal facilities as sanctuaries for the women and for the unwanted unborn to thrive, grow and to live then given to some couple to nurture and love?
    It is not charity but economic to ensure that the country is constantly rejuvenated and always have a high percentage of young productive workers to support our pensions, social security, our tax systems, defense, etc.
    Why should we be divided as prolive and prochoice?
    Let us unit and insist that the government give these women with unwanted pregnancies a more palatable option. A choice that would benefit society and not pressure women to kill part of themselves which they do not want!
    Am I spitting against the wind??

    • Posted By: Kaviaq @ 11/09/2008 8:19:57 AM

      Your comments ignore the fact that the pregnant woman has to go through a 9 month pregnancy and then give birth in order to give the child up for adoption. While some women are willing to do this, a woman who became pregnant by accident is probably not going to be willing to risk her health with a pregnancy and birth, not to mention everyone she knows cooing over the prospective new arrival when all she wants is for it to go away. Society still has no place for these women and it would be a hard road to travel. Some women are strong enough to go through with it, many are not. Many women who become pregnanat accidentally are emotionally fragile and couldn't possibly go through a public pregnanacy; many are physically unsuited to pregnancy and could be risking their lives. That is why it is THEIR decision and not OURS.

  • Posted By: Gregorio @ 11/09/2008 8:14:02 AM

    Abortion is not "just another issue" anymore than slavery was "just another issue" during the Civil War. It is more important than the economy and any other issue. I guess slave owners could have said, " It's not slavery, it's an 'economic choice' ". Same logic as 'reproductive choice' and evil is still central to that choice.









    Over 3600 babies are aborted in the U.S. everyday!

    While you sit comfortably at your keyboard real blood is being shed. I think many 'pro-choice' advocates would change their thinking if they had to actually witness an abortion. It is a baby that is dying! No amount of rhetoric or eloquence will change that fact.

    The abortion issue will NOT go away until Roe vs. Wade is overturned.

    A newborn baby is no more able to care for itself than an embryo. Is not an embryo a child, deserving of the basic right to live, before it is born?

    We legislate many issues that are religious. Thou shall not kill; Thou shall not steal and so forth. Where is your indignation of religious meddling on these issues?









    While you sit comfortably at your keyboard real blood is being shed. I think many 'pro-choice' advocates would change their thinking if they had to actually witness an abortion. It is a baby that is dying! No amount of rhetoric or eloquence will change that fact.

    The abortion issue will NOT go away until Roe vs. Wade is overturned.

    A newborn baby is no more able to care for itself than an embryo. Is not an embryo a child, deserving of the basic right to live, before it is born?

    We legislate many issues that are religious. Thou shall not kill; Thou shall not steal and so forth. Where is your indignation of religious meddling on these issues?

  • Posted By: Elovena @ 11/09/2008 7:48:00 AM

    How weird that a doctor actually thinks that because a woman cries when asking for an abortion that she is regretting the whole procedure already? Of course it is a difficult decision and tears are more than understandable. I bet that everyone can be turned into a pro-choice, in right circumstances. I have two daughters and I am pro-choice. It is responsible to have an abortion in some circumstances.

  • Posted By: Orchard @ 11/09/2008 7:45:25 AM

    I'm anti-abortion. In the past, I received every Right-to-Life mailing that screams statistics in my face and talks about the other side (THEM) as "pro-death". They've polarized this in such a way that they're preaching to the choir. And that choir gives a lot of money. But is it helping, say, the family with three kids and a working mother who thinks she can't have another baby because she'll lose her job? Are we trying to help these unwanted children when they're shuffled into the foster system? Nope, We're just condemning everyone who has an abortion, throwing some money into the coffers of Right to Life so they can send out more glossies, and then we ignore the folks down the street who need help. I know people who adopt these kids that would've been aborted, and I know people who help these families so that they're able to keep the baby. And I don't give a damn how they vote, because they're living what everyone else is blabbing about. You're not "pro-life" if you're sitting on your butt saying, "what a shame." That costs you nothing.

  • Posted By: Wsevolod @ 11/09/2008 7:29:34 AM

    Carried to its logical conclusion, utilitarianism will also apply to the aged, the sick, the handicapped and others who by their demise will have great benefits for the greatest amount of people. If you kill them early for the benefits, you will then kill them later. I know many Alzheimers at the nursing homes I see that are fairly 'non-sentient'. Ready to do in all the grandma's and grandpas?

  • Posted By: redbloodedamericangirl @ 11/04/2008 7:06:41 PM

    If you are in favor of abortion being legal, then at least have the honesty to concede that it is morally wrong, and that you believe that a woman's mere preference ought to trump any of society's interests in the welfare of unborn children. I disagree strongly with that view, but find even more damaging the adoption of the lie that a human fetus is not, in fact, a human, but simply a collection of cells.
    Finally: to compare, on a moral plane, the freeing of slaves to the desire of a women to kill her unborn child is perhaps the most offensive comparison I have ever encountered. For some reason, I don't think giving a woman the freedom to copulate irresponsibly so that she can surgically remove her offspring is showing her much respect at all.

    • Posted By: abc321123 @ 11/07/2008 6:10:44 PM

      I am in favor of abortion being legal, but I do not find it morally wrong.
      "...that you believe that a woman's mere preference ought to trump any of society's interests in the welfare of unborn children"
      I believe that the the woman's mere preference ought to trump any "right" the undeveloped z/e/f in HER has, not the z/e/f-s inside the women of the rest of society.

    • Posted By: gigispen @ 11/04/2008 8:07:00 PM

      I am not prepared to assert that abortion is morally wrong. I am not God. I leave those judgments up to him. Sorry you don't understand that. Not my problem.

      • Posted By: most people supported slavery when it was legal @ 11/04/2008 8:19:02 PM

        but you are prepared to assert that holding a 'pro-life' stance is morally wrong?

  • Posted By: readre @ 11/04/2008 9:29:00 AM

    I wonder if people realize ??? we are no longer only talking about the ???unborn.??? Obama does not even oppose live-birth abortion, whereby the baby (in one instance, ½ pound, 10 inches long living for eight hours) survives the abortion and is then left to die. Aside from the abortion, he even opposed an act that would protect the live infant. (Senate Hearing on H.R.4292, The "Born-Alive Infant Protection Act of 2000.")

    • Posted By: anthonyva @ 11/04/2008 9:46:02 AM

      only because it was already a law on the books so they were trying to manipulate the vote by adding that in...it was unecessary for the "live-birth" abortion feature of the bill for two reasons - 1. aas i said, there was already a law in Illinois protecting this. 2. Doctors, by LAW - under their hypocratic oath - MUST save a baby who is alive after an abortion.

      Learn the facts and you will not have these issues.

      • Posted By: readre @ 11/06/2008 3:37:57 PM

        Also, that is not the reason that Obama himself gave as his reason for opposing the bill. Are you the voice in his head that he doesn't know about?

      • Posted By: readre @ 11/06/2008 3:34:30 PM

        Really? Give me the bill number - I will gladly look it up. In previous responses, I have cited hearings and Senate bill numbers. Where are yours? There are no laws on the Illinois books that I have found regarding LIVE-BIRTH abortions - only partial birth.

  • Posted By: secretballot @ 11/04/2008 9:08:50 AM

    Anyone that feels partial birth abortion is ok should never be president...Obama supported this horrific act as an IL senator

    • Posted By: readre @ 11/04/2008 9:15:33 AM

      He also opposed the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act of 2000" which would protect infants born alive from premature medically induce labor.

      • Posted By: anthonyva @ 11/04/2008 10:07:35 AM

        you see this is the problem - you see everything black and white and rarely research the things you spout out - obama opposed the legislation because there were already laws on the books that protected live birth abortions AND Doctors, by law- they take a hypocratic oath - MUST save a baby born from an abortion if they are still alive - so stop taking everything to it's extreme and realise that there are multiple reasons for a politician to vote no on a certain bill - generally because they do not believe in the additions that have been added to that bill or because it is an unnecessary bill, as was the case here - because that was already on the books.

        • Posted By: readre @ 11/06/2008 3:29:44 PM

          NOT TRUE!!! If you're interested in the truth, try doing your own research. Obama said he opposed this bill because it did not contain a pre-birth neutrality clause. LIE!!! Guess what? Not only did it contain the pre-neutrality clause protecting RvW (in-uterin fetus), he wrote the the clause that was inserted into the bill - then turned around and voted it down. There is no law in IL against live-birth abortion, only partial-birth. Get educated first before you argue against the truth.

  • Posted By: bhlanger @ 11/05/2008 3:22:53 PM

    Catjax...please give me a few facts.. Please tell me what percentage of abortions are performed on victims of rape or incest. I think you will find that only a very small percentage of abortions fit this catagory. Most abortions are nothing more than a form of birth control, which is sad considering that a human life is being taken.

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/06/2008 9:22:53 AM

      I don't feel I need to give you a percentage because regardless if it's one percent of twenty-five percent, that one percent deserve to make their own decisions for their own life and we have no right to take that away from them. As far as fact, my best friend, who is married to a very prominent sportscaster, (my point is she was not in a low income neighborhood before you through that at me) was brutally raped by knife point to the point of almost being unrecognizable on Mother's Day of all days. She was making a last minute stop to pick her mother something up for Mother's Day and had simply turned her back to lock her vehicle when she was snatched into a van and brutally raped. She did not get to spend that day with her 4 year old daughter or the following week. She did become pregnant, is a Catholic and made the decision not to have the baby for various reasons I won't get into. This man also prevented her from wanting a second child due to the fear of not knowing if she would come down with aids or not. This man is still free to make his own choices, including the choice to invade the privacy of a woman's body and I take it very personal that any of you would call her a murderer and say that she will be Judged by God and denied entry through the Gates of Heaven. She still suffers from this violent crime today and says that had she not made the decision she did, she would probably have committed suicide by now which is also a sin according to the bible and would not be here today for her wonderful husband who supported her in every step and beautiful daughter. There is your fact.

      • Posted By: catjax @ 11/06/2008 9:31:56 AM

        I meant "throw" and not "through". Typing too fast. Forgive the errors.

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/06/2008 9:30:18 AM

      I also feel I have wasted too much time arguing this issue and my position and am fairly ashamed of myself for having done so. So, I will continue to do what I do as far as supporting all of the unwanted children who are alive and breathing out there by financially supporting their needs through homeless shelters, the Boys & Girls Club and St. Jude's. I have plenty of screwed up children (not my own) within my own immediate family who I bring into my home to mentor and love and show them affection and I am proud to say that I see a difference in their lives, as well as the lives of their parents who through no fault of their own were raised by screwed up parents who were able to make the choice of being selfish, crappy parents. And if I wasn't so afraid of the laws protecting these screwed up parents and ripping them out of my home only to send them back again, I would be happy to foster these unwanted children even witout the assistance of the government if that meant they would have one inkling of chance at being loved. But as we've all seen, their parents also have rights which come before those of the children. So please do not throw scriptures at me and/or the bible, because God lives in my heart and I will take my chances on judgment day before him and not any of you. Can I ask what you're doing to change the problem other than casting stones?

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/05/2008 9:07:09 PM

    George Soros finally got what he wanted! I have a feeling that his influence is going to extend well beyond the campaign stage. Everybody was touting what a great campaign Obama was running. But he wasn't running it. It was running him. With enough money you can buy anything. You can buy extreme order. George Soros is going to continue coddling Obama through his presidency to make him look good. He will likely be in contact with foreign leaders, buying their cooperation and easing their fears. The Democratic take over of congress was probably engineered long in advance. This also makes Obama's job easier and insulates him from the tough issues that presidents have to deal with in terms of senate battles between Republicans and Democrats. George Soros likely bought Obama an Army of advisors to answer any and all questions. Remember Soros is the financial genious that made his money off of the securities markets. He may have even had a hand in crashing the stock market to favor the Democrats just before the election. There is no way that the most unqualified presidential candidate in history got to where he did without such massive help. Some have speculated that after Obama won the Presidency, the media would turn on him and the honeymoon would be over but there is a broader agenda. Soros is buying up all of these newspapers that are endorsing Obama which is an attempt at a Socialist propaganda state. He will likely retain his control over the large media networks as well. What is the price Obama pays for having his ego stoked? An agenda that makes George Soros the grand puppet master of planet Earth!

  • Posted By: catjax @ 11/05/2008 12:14:54 PM

    I don't understand why it is so hard for you to understand that I and I believe I can speak for the majority of us DO NOT believe in abortion. However, I do believe in an individual's RIGHT to make their own decisions and the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE for whatever reasons they may have. If you believe in the freedom to bear arms which is killing just as many children, babies, etc., then you believe in the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. We have more weapons on our streets now than we ever have and why is that? Because of our right to bear arms which is supported greatly by the republican party. I don't see any of us who may not believe every single person out there should have a weapon and that they should be so easy for our children and convicted felons to get their hands on, calling any of you people murderers or holding you responsible. So you can't have your cake and eat it to. There are many, many children who are living and breathing outside the womb whose lives have been taken in vain and I don't see many of you standing at the courtrooms and prisons insisting that those responsible be held accountable. So why are you holding woman who choose to make a decision that is a personal issue to them and their family accountable for basically murder? That is nothing more than hate which is a sin of the bible if that is what you are basing all of your justifications on. So, why can't we just agree to disagree and why on heaven's earth, can't we all just get along and love eachother just as ourselves just as we have been commanded to do by our Lord and Savior. If you believe in the bible, then you also believe that NO sin is greater than another. So casting stones at one and judging them as if you are living a perfect life without any sin is just as much a sin as murder (if that's what you want to insist we're all about). Peace be with you all.

    • Posted By: bojack27 @ 11/05/2008 1:04:45 PM

      Instead of blasting you with statistics and scriptures to prove that everything you said in your post is wrong. I will just use basic reasoning to debate with on the validity of your claims / views versus my opposing views. When we establish when life begins then we can for sure say if abortion is murder or not. Some say that it begins at conception and other disagree. With this divide we find ourselve on the opposite views, beliefs and decisions on what we consider what is right and wrong concerning the unborn.

      With that said I will say this .... instead of trying to justify killing of the unborn (my opinion mind you) by looking at other evils of society and saying they are the same..... at least know the difference in the statistics each provide before posting..... your reasoning to me is unjustified to give a serious reponse due to the lack of insight in the subject of guns, abortions and their destructive consequences...

      • Posted By: catjax @ 11/05/2008 2:13:19 PM

        Yes thank you for not quoting scriptures to me because I am really tired of all of you using the bible to justify your views. I belive the ten commandment not only says "thou shalt not kill" but tells us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves and I don't see any of you doing that when you are all accusing your neighbors of murder when they simply believe in the Freedom to Choose. I am so sick of you people acting as though you do not commit any sins and are so quick to throw the bible at everybody. Again, thanks for not quoting your scriptures. I believe Pastor Terrence already did that.

        • Posted By: bojack27 @ 11/05/2008 6:07:12 PM

          I will use it to prove my point but decided not to use it in this case because my point can be proven without it just as well through simple reasoning.... if one doesn't choose then all they have heard is there responsibility

  • Posted By: ApolloKnowsAll @ 11/05/2008 1:53:54 PM

    Where was the abortion debate? You hid it. The media did not want to talk about Barrack's three votes AGAINST the infant born alive act (and one "present" vote).

    He is the most radical leftist president.

    Now you are starting to ask questions? wow. Will you ask anything about this candidate? Ever? Or are you too afraid of losing "most favored access" status with THE ONE?

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