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  • Posted By: Sophia Gillani @ 11/04/2008 2:11:14 PM

    Willian C DeMuth, you are disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

  • Posted By: jwcannalte @ 11/04/2008 1:49:03 PM

    jklmn, Why is it that you must compromise your pro-life convictions in order to improve education, health care...etc???? That makes no sense! Seek to improve those areas to, but that doesn't excuse you from giving license to murder unborn babies.
    I give this challenge to all Democratic voters who claim to be pro-life. If you're truly pro-life, then you MUST make sure your political party knows that and understands that you won't continue to be a "blank check" vote for them each election cycle. Be a voice that says "I like you on other issues, but you're way wrong on abortion and this tragegy needs to end!"

  • Posted By: jklmn @ 11/04/2008 1:36:32 PM

    Thank you!!!! This is precisely why I remain Catholic. Jesus promoted and modeled social justice and we are called to do the same. I am certainly anti-abortion but there is more than one way to go about it. We are also called to be pro-life from conception to a natural death. This includes everything from just wages, affordable health care and access to education. Supporting life also means not engaging in preemptive strikes and unjustifiable war. Supporting life also means that we take care of the environment and build respectful relationships with other countries. I am proud to be Catholic and proud to support Obama!!! God has gifted him with leadership qualities that we desperately need.

    "We are called to act with justice, we are called to love tenderly, we are called to serve one another, to walk humbly with God."

    We have been gifted with free will. With that is the responsibility to be informed and actively involved while realizing we "are" the government. No system is perfect and no one person can be expected to "fix" everything.

    • Posted By: jazzmanjim @ 11/04/2008 1:48:25 PM

      The line from the Davis Haas song is nice but irrelevant.

      As Catholics we must look to the "Catechism of the Catholic Church". Our own personal opinions do not matter on matters of faith and morals.


      2272
      Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.


      2273
      The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

      "The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."80

      "The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."81

  • Posted By: Exordium @ 11/04/2008 11:38:53 AM

    KJC03:

    You assume that it's not? I'm agnostic, and life is still incredibly precious to me. I've been morally opposed to abortion ever since I learned what it was, and if I were ever to become pregnant - by rape, by mistake, by any means - I would never have an abortion, because the idea horrifies me. However, I don't want my own beliefs to ever dictate what another woman can and can't do with her body, which is why, in the end, I support abortion rights. If I had my way abortions would never happen - never NEED to happen - but since we don't live in that utopia, I believe women should be able to have the choice to control their bodies, whether they keep that baby or not.

    Life is always precious. But the life of the mother - and her mental well being - is precious as well.

    • Posted By: KJC03 @ 11/04/2008 11:53:23 AM

      No, I would assume that it is more precious for atheists. As an agnostic, you do believe in some sort of God, so you probably believe in the eternal soul, but athiests believe that it's "what you see is what you get." If this were all there was, then I would be even more focused on hanging onto it! Maybe re-read what I wrote.
      I respect your opinion. I don't vote based on abortion. I have my own beliefs, but I know that back alley abortions (which my great-grandmother died from) will happen no matter what. I think there are times when an abortion is justified, but I'd like to see some statistics on how many abortions are administered after a rape and how many are just birth control. Nowadays we have the morning after pill, which is administered with the rape kit, so there's no reason for someone to have to have an abortion after a rape.

      • Posted By: Pampam @ 11/04/2008 1:40:19 PM

        How is the morning after pill different from having an abortion? In both cases, you are ending the 'life' of a fertilized egg. The morning after pill just prevents the egg from growing any further.

  • Posted By: John_K @ 11/04/2008 1:35:59 PM

    Voter Issue Guide: 2008 Presidential Race

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  • Posted By: Trese_99 @ 11/04/2008 9:54:58 AM

    Matthew 7
    1Judge not, that ye be not judged.


    Whether you're for abortion or against it.. it is a personal choice. The mother who makes this choice has to live with it... not any of you passing judgment. And when her time comes she has to answer to GOD for her life choices not any of us...We will all be judged and held accountable for our individual life choices...

    Let he without sin cast the first stone.

    • Posted By: unityfirst23 @ 11/04/2008 10:00:51 AM

      well put

      • Posted By: jammalang @ 11/04/2008 10:22:56 AM

        According to this logic, any crime should be legal, leaving everyone to be judged soley by God after they die. Please don't use the Holy Scriptures in a perverse way to push an anti-Christian message. It is very offensive and insulting. It is equal to what the devil himself tried to do to Jesus when he tempted him in the desert.

        • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 11:13:37 AM

          The bible is not perverse.

          • Posted By: jammalang @ 11/04/2008 1:09:35 PM

            Of coures it isn't. Perverse means: "willfully determined or disposed to go counter to what is expected or desired; contrary." I would never call the Bible itself that. What I'm saying is that the poster is using scripture to bring across a message that is perverse to what the Bible actually teaches us. That is all.

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 10:38:35 AM

      Thank you Trese_99. Well said. No all of you bible thumping people, mind your own business and live according to the way the bible tells us. Do not bear judgement and love your neighbors as yourselves. God knows our heart, not you and will FORGIVE all of those who truly repent for their sins, MURDERERS and all. I suggest if you don't want to share Heaven with any murderers, you stay where you are because there will surely be plenty there who have asked for and RECEIVED FORGIVENESS.

  • Posted By: John_K @ 11/04/2008 1:31:13 PM

    Voter Issue Guide: 2008 Presidential Race

    http://www.afa.net/08VG/index.html

  • Posted By: PastorTerrence @ 11/04/2008 1:30:29 PM

    When does life begin? Where life is present, growth and development take place. Everyone knows this. Therefore, life begins with the multiplication and division of cells at conception.

    Now, why does anyone go to hell? I will let Jesus answer that one: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (John 3:16-19) and "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) and "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15) and "whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea." (Mark 9:42)!

    For people who claim to "believe" in Christ, you sure don't seem to follow Him or trust and obey His Word!!!! That is HYPOCRITICAL! You want everyone to be tolerant of your view, but refuse to be tolerant of those who disagree with you!!!! All are entitled to their own beliefs, but that does not make their beliefs or opinions legitimate. You may be sincere, but you are sincerely wrong!!! One day you will have to face God, with the blood of the unborn on your hands. Repent, turn from your sin, turn to the Lord Jesus and trust Him, obey His Word, and Love others (including the unborn) as you love yourself!!!! Ask yourself the question, "Do you wish you had been aborted?" If so, you do not know the Lord and His love is not within you!!! Admit your limited understanding, as I have, repent and submit yourself therefore to God before it is eternally too late! My love and prayers go up before the Father for you all!!!

  • Posted By: lucy2008 @ 11/04/2008 10:52:16 AM

    The religious right make their story about abortion to black and white. It is offensive to most of us who are moderates and have a different belief system. To talk about "souls" in a zygote or embryo by people who make their opinions guided by faith or the opinion of a priest or church- are guided by the words of man. This is why our founding fathers separated Church and State. In the end all agree that abortion should be rare, butthe path to make that so is narrowly defined by the evangelical right. If they opened up their minds, they will find that their are many paths to get to the same place. Understanding this will help the national conversation go forward.

    • Posted By: readre @ 11/04/2008 11:31:46 AM

      Since when do you have to be religious to be right? Talk about narrow-minded!

      Also, just a little history lesson since you seem to know a little about the separation of church and state.

      The separation of church and state is in reference to what King Henry the VIII did in England. He made himself the head of both the church and state. This gave the King the ultimate authority over everyone and he was able to impose his will in creating a national religion. Which meant??? no one was free to worship God in his/her own way. By creating separation of church and state, our founding fathers were acting to release people to worship God in the way that they choose, without restraint from government.

      Not to be confused with whether or not it's right to kill a child. Last time I checked, murder is still unlawful in this country, and that has nothing to do with religion. Or are you saying that it does?

      • Posted By: jdoo22 @ 11/04/2008 1:29:57 PM

        It is religious doctrine, not secular law, that says a zygote/fetus is a person. An unborn child. Whatever the terminology may be. The notion that abortion, especially first trimester abortion or taking the "morning after" pill is murder, is religious doctrine. Our Constitution states that you have the right to hold these religious views. It also states that you must allow me to hold mine. Or no religious views. It is the right of each citizen to make his or her own decision. Most Americans believe that a fetus in the first trimester of development is not a child and that a woman should have the right to decide what to do with her own uterus. However, I would defend your right to hold the opposite view from this majority, and to behave according to your beliefs. I simply don't want you to force your beliefs on me.

        This is our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence, our American idea. It has nothing to do with Henry the Eighth. Trust me.

    • Posted By: Jess sandidge @ 11/04/2008 11:09:29 AM

      YES YES YES i love you..you hit the nail on the head..congrats

  • Posted By: iqdmt @ 11/04/2008 9:36:20 AM

    I don't think we can afford to vote one single issue. I causes poor choices and doesn't necessarily give us the best person for the job. I remember when Kennedy was running for office and was the first Catholic to do so, religion came to the table. Kennedy did say his religion would not interfer with his decisions. Religion should have no place in our choices for president. It should certainly not be a single issue and single issue voting has gotten us into a real mess. The real Christian extremists have evolved into somthing I don't even recognize. I was raised with the idea of tolerance toward my neighors and a code of ethics. You need those when you go to the voting booth. We are moving backwards instead of forwards. We can not afford to do this any longer.

    • Posted By: joyfulsong21 @ 11/04/2008 1:27:19 PM

      "Single-issue voting" absolutely has a place in every election. If you agreed with a candidate on every issue, but he/she had the opinion that we need to go back to slavery of blacks in this country, you would not vote for that candidate, would you?? Would not that single issue outweigh all others?? So your problem is not with single-issue voting, but with the issue itself. Don't try to tell me that this issue cannot outweigh all others.

  • Posted By: Staggslaw @ 11/04/2008 12:29:43 PM

    Christians do their best to follow the example and teachings of Christ, rather than base their entire theology on the Old Testament and Revelations. To some, killing even a two cell fetus is murder, notwithstanding abortion was common and legal in Christ's time, and He never mentioned it. To others, abortion is immoral, but so are myriad other sins, and they choose their candidates based on who bests represents all of their views. Christ taught us to feed the hungry, heal the sick, love our neighbors, including our enemies, to judge not others, including non-Christians, to not cast stones, to not try to predict His coming, but to live our lives as though it might be today. Both our major parties are majority Christian, and it is about time Churches stop judging Christians and others of differing views. Today may be the day.

    • Posted By: values @ 11/04/2008 1:24:34 PM

      To try to confuse the issue by saying one must either take a stand for the life of unborn child or for the safety and wellness of the mother and child is absurd. As Christians, we must take a stand for both.

      We will be judged not on how we did one or the other, but on both. And the judgement will not take place on November 4th.

      Only God and people will last for eternity. Jesus promised that he is preparing a place for us and that he is coming back for all that believe on His name

  • Posted By: jwcannalte @ 11/04/2008 1:23:17 PM

    The excuses many use to "justify" their vote for pro-abortion vote or support is shallow if we put it in context with the great evil of our day some 150 years ago--Slavery. Knowing now what you know about the evils of slavery and the great contribution to our society by black americans who were freed from that tyranny imagine your response to someone who said "personally I'm against slavery, but who am I to tell others not to own slaves". Or "It's MY plantation and no one should tell me what to do with it". Or "the slave is my property, so don't tell me what to do with my property". Or "There are many other evils to content with in the 1860's and slavery is just one of many moral issues, so I'm comfortable voting for a Pro-slavey candidate". Or "you anti-slavery folks are pushing your morals on the rest of us".

    How would those arguments play out today??? Probably not very good. And yet with the killing of the innocent unborn, those same lame and shallow excuses are being used today to prop up support for the evil of abortion. Perhaps 35 years of this have tired some people out and they want to stop the debate. But let's get to the nitty gritty....we are approaching 50 MILLION dead babies during those 35 years. Try and get your minds around that number...it's astounding and tragic. During that same period and often overlooked, Pro-abortion groups like Planned Parenthood have made BILLIONS of $$$ through this profitable business of killing the unborn. And ot think they get government money (our taxes) on top of that to spread their immoral agendas. We as pro-lifers have allowed the radical left and the media to make this a "pro-choice" (sounds nice, right?) vs "anti-abortion" (sounds mean, right?) issue. But let's be clear. We are pro-life.....not just "anti-abortion". The difference is important. We're not trying to meddle in women's lives for no reason. We are speaking out for and seeking to protect the other human being involved...the BABY!!! And this point needs to GROW...."it's about the baby, stupid". Pro lifers are a voice for innocent unborn babies who are being killed. Just like with slavery, the dignity and sanctity of human life is on the line. Whether a black slave or an unborn black baby, both deserve rights, freedom, and protection. And just like with the evil of slavery, TRUTH is on the side of the pro-lifers and with God's gracious help, one day we will see true justice and an end to this abomination.

  • Posted By: 3Rivers @ 11/04/2008 1:22:51 PM

    The problem is definition itself. Our legal system generally defines what is there. Contracts all over the country define almost everything discussed within. But the state religion, if you will, takes the preposterous position that the fetus is the property of the mother first and has no relevant definition of himself or herself, or certainly no definition that confers on him or her human rights. While the law does not define what a fetus is, it doesn't matter, because it effectively empowers the mother (maybe in opposition to the father) to place whatever value she wants on the possession within her. She can love and nurture it prenatally and postnatally, or she can treat it as garbage and eliminate it and throw it in a can, showing it has no value at all -- to not only her, but to us, the rest of Americans. What else in our legal system is treated so cavilierly and not defined, as a matter of legal or state policy? This is reminiscent of the Dred Scott decision, perhaps the Supreme Court's low point of all time if Roe v. Wade is not, in which the justices actually said a slave is primarily another's property and only secondarily a human being. How can there be much real movement when one side says the unborn from the time of conception on are children of God fully worthy or our nation's rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and the other side says, it's up to you women to decide whether that which is inside you has any value or no value. In fact, a woman can do both. Imagine a woman who gets pregnant and schedules an abortion because she decides her fetus has no value, but before she can she has a conversion, and sees the fetus as a person worthy of care. This is systematic madness, and I think deep down, everyone knows it it their guts, and so does God.

  • Posted By: 3Rivers @ 11/04/2008 1:18:16 PM

    The problem is definition itself. Our legal system generally defines what is there. Contracts all over the country define almost everything discussed within. But the state religion, if you will, takes the preposterous position that the fetus is the property of the mother first and has no relevant definition of himself or herself, or certainly no definition that confers on him or her human rights. While the law does not define what a fetus is, it doesn't matter, because it effectively empowers the mother (maybe in opposition to the father) to place whatever value she wants on the possession within her. She can love and nurture it prenatally and postnatally, or she can treat it as garbage and eliminate it and throw it in a can, showing it has no value at all -- to not only her, but to us, the rest of Americans. What else in our legal system is treated so cavilierly and not defined, as a matter of legal or state policy? This is reminiscent of the Dred Scott decision, perhaps the Supreme Court's low point of all time if Roe v. Wade is not, in which the justices actually said a slave is primarily another's property and only secondarily a human being. How can there be much real movement when one side says the unborn from the time of conception on are children of God fully worthy or our nation's rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and the other side says, it's up to you women to decide whether that which is inside you has any value or no value. In fact, a woman can do both. Imagine a woman who gets pregnant and schedules an abortion because she decides her fetus has no value, but before she can she has a conversion, and sees the fetus as a person worthy of care. This is systematic madness, and I think deep down, everyone knows it it their guts, and so does God.

  • Posted By: PastorTerrence @ 11/04/2008 12:22:15 PM

    CatJax (response 1)

    The issue being discussed here is the murder of millions of babies during the past 35 years! A true Christian can and will not skirt this fact. It is not just fetal tissue. Animals are not created in the image of God. As for believing in God, James 2:19 says, "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." You can believe and still not trust in the Lord, repent of your sin, and obey His Word. Deuteronomy 30:19 states, "This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live." Which is a more important issue, the economy or abortion? Is money more important than blood? Yes, John McCain had an affair on his former wife, and he admitted at the Saddleback Civil Forum that it was his greatest moral failing. However, he and his ex-wife are on good terms and she is supporting his campaign. It was alleged by the National Enquirer (a supermarket tabloid) that Sarah Palin had an affair, but there has been nothing of this published by credible news journals. However, doesn't this reflect the character of our nation today! 50%-60% of married couples admit to having commited adultery at one time or another. Romans 3:23 tells us, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," and verses 9-12 state, "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 1:17:44 PM

      Funny how that supermarket tabloid was correct about John Edwards. I guess they only report the truth against Democrats.

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 1:01:51 PM

      You, my friend, are why individuals turn away from God alltogether and I have read in the bible that that is a sin as well.

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 1:00:57 PM

      With all due respect Pasor, are you saying that because I believe and let's get this straight, I believe a woman has a right to choose that I am not a true believer? If that is the case, then I guess all of us can give up on our faith in God and doom ourselves to hell and the only ones who truly believe that a woman must carry a baby no matter the cirumstance, outcome, etc. are the only true children of God. Is that your message? What I believe is that we answer to one God and that our judgment day will come through him. My research shows me that only Palin truly believes abortion should be outlawed alltogether. If this was the true belief of all the republican Presidents, it would have come up on their agenda at some point during the tenure of Presidency which for as long as I have been able to vote, it never has. Roe v. Wade has been on the books for 35 years. So I will be sure to pass on your message to my bestfriend who was brutally raped by knifepoint and beat to the point of almost being unrecognizable on Mother's Day of all days that she will in fact be going to hell because she made the choice to not have the baby (yes, she did become pregnant) and she had a 4 year old daughter at the time who she didn't get to spend that Mother's Day and chose not to have the baby and explain to her 4 year old daughter that it was not conceived out of love but yet, a violent crime and therefore, would be giving her half brother or sister away.

    • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 12:26:09 PM

      The religious hocus-pocus has no business in politics. Thats what we are supposedly fighting against in the middle east, you know the war you right wingers love so much against the fanatics?

  • Posted By: PastorTerrence @ 11/04/2008 12:23:48 PM

    CatJax (response 2)

    "Do you consider yourself to be a good person? Most people do. However, most of us differ as to the definition of "good." The Bible says that God is good, and the Ten Commandments are His standard of goodness. So, we will look at God's Law . . . With a tender conscience, ask yourself if you have obeyed the following:
    1. You shall have no other gods before Me. (Have you always loved God above all else?)
    2. You shall not make yourself an idol. (Have you made a god in your mind that you're more comfortable with, a god to suit yourself?)
    3. You shall not take God's name in vain. (Have you ever used God's holy Name as a cuss word?)
    4. Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy.
    5. Honor your father and mother.
    6. You shall not murder. (God considers hatred to be as murder).
    7. You shall not commit adultery. ("Whoever looks upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart" Matthew 5:27-28; this also includes sex before marriage).
    8. You shall not steal. (Have you ever stolen anything? ??? the value of the item is irrelevant).
    9. You shall not lie. (Have you lied even once? Including answering these questions).
    10. You shall not covet. (Have you ever jealously desired what belongs to others?)
    The Bible says that God will punish all murderers (abortionists), rapists, thieves, liars, adulterers, etc. He will even judge our words and thoughts. On Judgment Day, will you be found to be guilty or innocent of breaking His commandments?
    Perhaps you think that God is good, and will therefore overlook your sins. But it is His goodness that will make sure that murderers, rapists, thieves, liars, etc. receive justice. He would be a corrupt Judge if He turned a blind eye to injustice. Have you kept the Commandments?"

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 1:05:50 PM

      Pastor Torrence - I never said I wasn't a sinner. We ALL are. I DO NOT believe in abortion; however, I also do not believe that is MY right to judge anyone for the choices they make. Simply put. My point with McCain/Palin is that they are not above sin either so who is anyone to cast stones at another person for whatever his positions or anyone's else may be. You can't believe in one commandment and not uphold the others, i.e., thou shalt not commit adultry. Don't quote the 10 Commandments to me Pastor, I am very familiar with them. I find it hard to believe that you are without sin, yourself, so do not cast your stones at me.

  • Posted By: PastorTerrence @ 11/04/2008 12:53:45 PM

    Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1).

    Does this mean we are never to judge? Certainly not, for Jesus also said: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

  • Posted By: GoSarah @ 11/03/2008 3:12:56 PM

    No way can a God-follower support Obama. No one who has done any research on the man can support him. Mean-spirited, divisive? You wanna see mean spirited and divisive? Check out the people he hangs out with, has been mentored/taught by and thinks like. Yeah, we tend to get emotional when it comes to killing babies, shame on us! This election is a joke. The media is a joke. That intelligent educated people liike those who read Newsweek would vote for this terrorist is a joke. A very very sad joke. Thus begins the new civil war.

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 10:57:10 AM

      Are you kidding me? I absolutely believe in God and am proud to vote for Obama. Maybe you should go check your facts and research the people you are voting for. Palin goes with the AIP and her husband sits on the board. McCain screws around on his wife because she's not the same (because of a horrible car accident she was in while waiting on him) and leaves her for the beauty queen he's with who was let go from a medical board who supplied needy people with prescription drugs because she was stealing them for herself. Palin too also screwed around on her husband. And you're telling me they are more godly than me? You dont' know me, so don't judge me. That's like saying only the godly people are voting for McCain/Palin. You are a complete joke if you believe that. And Palin believes a woman should not have the right to choose even if she conceives a baby through a horrible violent act but yet believes in murdering the beautiful animals God put on this earth. HYPOCRITES!

      • Posted By: PastorTerrence @ 11/04/2008 12:44:10 PM

        The issue being discussed here is the murder of millions of babies during the past 35 years! A true Christian can and will not skirt this fact. It is not just fetal tissue. Animals are not created in the image of God. As for believing in God, James 2:19 says, "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." You can believe and still not trust in the Lord, repent of your sin, and obey His Word. Deuteronomy 30:19 states, "This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live." Which is a more important issue, the economy or abortion? Is money more important than blood? Yes, John McCain had an affair on his former wife, and he admitted at the Saddleback Civil Forum that it was his greatest moral failing. However, he and his ex-wife are on good terms and she is supporting his campaign. It was alleged by the National Enquirer (a supermarket tabloid) that Sarah Palin had an affair, but there has been nothing of this published by credible news journals. However, doesn't this reflect the character of our nation today! 50%-60% of married couples admit to having commited adultery at one time or another. Romans 3:23 tells us, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," and verses 9-12 state, "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

        (The rest of my responses to you, I will put in as new comments)

    • Posted By: rdaffron @ 11/04/2008 7:23:52 AM

      By your reasoning, a reader of Newsweek is a joke. Ergo, you are a joke. By your own reasoning, that is.

  • Posted By: unityfirst23 @ 11/04/2008 9:25:20 AM

    I don't agree with abortion but I will not stop a woman of her god giving right to chose. for all the pro-lifers out there that are against abortion, what about the death penalty? if you are against abortion but for the death penalty you are a hypocrite. Whats the difference? i am for both. I will not play god and isn't that what it's about? people are saying it's a sin? not everyone shares the same religious beliefs, people have their own minds. i also think its a disgrace to use religion in a presidential race. what has our country come to? we need to become one nation regardless of who you ar, your religious beliefs or what color your skin is. this 2008 and some people need to get with the program

    • Posted By: K1986 @ 11/04/2008 9:34:43 AM

      I think you are confusing abortion as a religious issue, but I assure you it is not. It is a moral issue... people who are agnostic can be moral! Furthermore, the death penalty and abortion aren't even comparable. One life is brought to an end by his or her bad choices.... the other was not given a chance... You're pro-choice, but the baby doesn't choose. Are pro-choice advocates saying that the only choice that matters is the mothers'? If anything, that's hypocrisy at its best.

      • Posted By: just_me 601 @ 11/04/2008 12:41:04 PM

        K1986--
        to paraphrase other pro-lifers, either all life is sacred and worthy, or none are. You are basically saying that a murderers life (if indeed they are murderers--how many people death row have been proven innocent?) is worth less than others, and to say that you start on a slippery slope.

      • Posted By: just_me 601 @ 11/04/2008 12:37:56 PM

        K1986--
        to paraphrase other pro-lifers, either all life is sacred and worthy, or none are. You are basically saying that a murderers life (if indeed they are murderers--how many people death row have been proven innocent?) is worth less than others, and to say that you start on a slippery slope.

  • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 11/04/2008 11:57:31 AM

    Barry doesn't mind killing babies, McCain does. There is your debate.

    • Posted By: catjax @ 11/04/2008 12:38:00 PM

      I actually just did a little research on this and found that neither candidate "believes" in abortion but rather does believe in a woman's right to choose. Even McCain. Palin is the only one I found who takes a hard stance on the issue and says that under no circumstances, rape, incest, etc., except for if a woman's life will be in danger of carrying the baby, should abortion be allowed and even if her own daughter had been raped, she would not allow her to abort the baby. I am assuming that this why the abortion issue has not been a "main" issue during this Presidential campaign nor was it pursued during the debates. I also do not believe in abortion but I also do not believe that is OUR right nor the Government's right to take away a woman's right to choose. If so, then ALL freedom of choices should be taken away as well or we are essentially discriminating against women. I seem to recall that Bush used this hard stance to gain all of the Catholic votes in 2000 and I know this because I come from a Catholic family who refused to even consider the other issues and voted for Bush for this sole reason only and what did he do? NOTHING! It hasn't been nor ever was even on his agenda. The only thing Bush did for any of us was take us right down the crapper.

    • Posted By: floridacadman @ 11/04/2008 12:02:10 PM

      Actually thats not up for debate, its part of their platform, but thanks anyway.

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