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  • Posted By: PAuser531 @ 11/06/2008 12:39:40 PM

    Sorry, but McCain did not pick up steam in PA during the last few weeks of the election. He ran too many negative ads to count here in my home state, but the polls always had Obama with a double-digit lead and guess what? Obama won PA by 11 points. McCain was dreaming.

  • Posted By: JAGER100 @ 11/06/2008 11:48:17 AM

    actually no....sarcasm only applies when the person speaking understands of what they speak, twists it well and leaves other bright, engaged individuals understanding the intent and the depth of the pithy remark. I feel fine understanding that you are less than a genius and that stupid is a word you clearly understand. But keep up the great effort. You will get there!

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 12:27:50 PM

      Nope...that's good satire IMO. Actually satire and sarcasm are neutral terms. It can be executed either poorly or cleverly. Still feel stupid ...right?

  • Posted By: drenn73 @ 11/06/2008 12:26:50 PM

    The irony about the so called biased Media is a direct result of conservatives desire of deregulating the media. We went from hundreds of independent voices in the press to a small handful that will be bought an sold depending on ratings. The fact of the matter is that our news media is fractured into small niche's owned by corporate America. And corporate America will do anything for a dollar...so if the public leans more liberal then they too will provide services that appeal to that demographic. Anything for a buck, that's what is wrong with today's conservatives...the republicans really miss Buckley....

  • Posted By: drenn73 @ 11/06/2008 12:23:59 PM

    The irony about the so called biased Media is a direct result of conservatives desire of deregulating the media. We went from hundreds of independent voices in the press to a small handful that will be bought an sold depending on ratings. The fact of the matter is that our news media is fractured into small niche's owned by corporate America. And corporate America will do anything for a dollar...so if the public leans more liberal then they too will provide services that appeal to that demographic. Anything for a buck, that's what is wrong with today's conservatives...the republicans really miss Buckley....

  • Posted By: JAGER100 @ 11/06/2008 11:39:00 AM

    Back atcha PBPACE. The Keating facts

    McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.

    Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because of screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him,
    McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

    McCain was not convicted of any crimes, though the Senate concluded that he exercised "poor judgment." (Furthermore, he got off on some charges by a technicality -- that he was still in the House when he took those vacation trips, and so the Senate couldn't prosecute him. The House concluded that THEY couldn't prosecute him because he had moved to the Senate.)

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 12:22:18 PM

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but "Back atcha" what? Please read the post to which I was commenting. Please tell me if my information was factually incorrect. Thanks.

  • Posted By: Cannonball @ 11/06/2008 12:17:41 PM

    How is Obama too left of center on taxes? Just what position on taxes is center?

  • Posted By: Lucille @ 11/06/2008 12:17:26 PM

    The BIG mistake was that McCain, the centrist we loved, lost himself to the right in this campaign. There is no way the real McCain would have chosen Palin. After that choice, he became exactly what he shunned: a "far to the right" Republican who uses scare tactics and mob mentality techniques to further their agenda. He only returned when he made the intelligently spoken, passionate speech of defeat. I was almost sorry he lost.

  • Posted By: Lucille @ 11/06/2008 12:15:47 PM

    I think the BIG mistake was that McCain, the centrist we loved, lost himself to the right in this campaign. There is no way the real McCain would have chosen Palin. After that choice, he became exactly what he shunned: a "far to the right" Republican who uses scare tactics and mob mentality techniques to further their agenda. He only returned when he made the intelligently spoken, passionate speech of defeat. I must admit, was almost sorry he lost.

  • Posted By: Overlooking @ 11/06/2008 11:30:26 AM

    To Pbpace:

    Don't know what your point is. Even though Obama did not win the majority of the white vote, he still won the Presidency. That should tell you something--especially about the diversity of this nation and why people who think and campaign like you helped the Republican party lose this election.

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 12:07:49 PM

      Actually I voted Liberterian. Thanks for assuming you know the way I voted and for whom I campaigned.

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 12:06:15 PM

      Look at the post to which I was responding. I was making a factual statement. No "point" being made (as is often the case with my posts).

  • Posted By: JAGER100 @ 11/06/2008 11:28:30 AM

    John McCain is an incredible man and a true American. Sarah Palin is a joke. I wanted to vote for him and ended up having to vote against the prospect of her. Sad really.

    • Posted By: TerriT @ 11/06/2008 12:02:45 PM

      Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. When I heard McCain refer to Joe as an "American hero" and when he said, "When I go to Washington, I'm taking Joe with me" I knew it was over for me. No question that I could even consider giving him my vote. And I've always liked John McCain, too.

  • Posted By: TerriT @ 11/06/2008 11:05:06 AM

    What struck me during the election night speeches were the crowds. McCain's crowd, hand-picked to attend, booed when Obama's name was mentioned ....several times. Obama's crowd, huge, whoever-wanted-to-be-there-was, were quiet and respectful during McCain's speech, even giving up a smattering of applause here and there. Now, I would have expected Obama's crowd to be more in-your-face raucus - they were younger and more diverse and after all, had just seen a landslide in. But they weren't. THAT is the type of campaign Obama ran - and that is his strongest leadership quality. He makes people want to be the best they can be. He doesn't lower his ideals to meet the crowd's ... he brings the crowd up to his ideals. And McCain/Palin could not do that. They ran a smear campaign, laced with fear. And Palin appeals to that which is the most base within all of us, me included. McCain self-destructed and if you can't run your own campaign, then you certainly cannot run your country.

    • Posted By: brt929 @ 11/06/2008 11:51:35 AM

      You could also add, that when ever the crowds booed at an Obama event- He would tell them not to do that, just make sure they voted. By contrast, Sarah Palin enjoyed whipping her crowds up into a mob mentality. I've read that Obama had several death threats that coincided with Palin's speaking engagements.

  • Posted By: cooleye @ 11/06/2008 12:05:28 AM

    I agree with the author. Conservative era has come to end in terms of economics. Palin would have been a fool of a Vice President. McCain would have gotten my vote for sure if he had not picked a hockey mom who doesn't know her US history For truth be told- You are an idiot. Income taxes already spread the wealth- thats how roads are made and bridges are built. OBAMA08- End of stupid hateful bigot redneck republicans!

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 11:40:42 AM

      I think it's called sarcasm genius...feel stupid now, don't you?

  • Posted By: maddymappo @ 11/06/2008 11:37:51 AM

    I agree. McCain could have made the argument that Obama was well meaning, but had exposed himself to bad influences, and did not have the experience and judgement a this point. If McCain took an understanding approach instead of condemning stance, he would have seemed more of the uniter he said he was, and also he would not have jeopadized his own slogan "country first" which became sort of laughable when he ran around appearing to do anything and say anything to win at all costs.

  • Posted By: JAGER100 @ 11/06/2008 11:33:39 AM

    Kirk44 you are such a classic "Pub". We all got a chance to sit by and watch 8 failed years of Bushonomics come crashing down. Wah Wah my guy lost because the media didnt treat him fairly. What a joke. The media didnt mount a tragic image of a campaign. The media didnt select Sarah Palin who was sure to be a liability and a distraction. And the media didnt create the RNC and McPalin campaign gaffs that fed the late hight shows. The media didnt flub the debates making McCain look like someone who either didnt understand or could not answer a question. I wanted to vote for McCain. He lost me with Palin. You want your party to get back on track. Stop hating, bashing minorities, gays, anybody not right of Attila, and start showing leadership. And not what we got from 8 failed years of Bush either.

  • Posted By: lefsaboy @ 11/05/2008 2:05:02 PM

    The writer of this story shows themselves to be nothing more than part of the media herd - deluded and out of touch. I suppose you think you are within a 1000 miles of being unbiased too.
    Obama won for a number of reasons, none of which had to do with the quality of his campaign or the lack of quality of McCains. He won because a whole lot of incredibly uninformed voters decided showing disapproval for George Bush was more important than voting for someone who knew what they were doing. Go ask an Obama voter why they voted for him. I have. I have asked many in fact and not a single solitary one did or even could when prompted name a single thing Obama has done or a single qualification or a single policy that would make him qualified to be president. the bulk said something negative about Bush, threw out "change", and smiled stupidly throughout.
    The second reason for his win is a national press that is an utter disgrace to it's profession. Never has a press corp, including the dim bulb who wrote this bit of vapor, so blatently and openly drop all pretense of objectivity or professionalism and side with a candidate. Obama didn't need all of that money, he had all of you abusing freedom of the press to the point of being painful. You hid his faults, with held information that would've shown him in a poor light, and promoted him relentlessly in glowing terms. Had John McCain associated with a domestic terrorist he would've been burned at the stake. You gave obama a pass. Had McCain gone to a church even slightly similar to Wrights church for a single sermon much less for 20 years, he would have been crucified. You gave obama a pass. The list goes on and on. You are a disgrace to the country and your profession.
    All this an obama only won by 7% points. he should've won by 30%. What a joke. If the press is the guardians of truth and our freedoms, we are doomed

    • Posted By: gigglinggirl @ 11/05/2008 2:20:56 PM

      I guess you really don't know that much about your own candidate, do you. Did you know that McCain had to distance himself from Minister Hagee because of racist remarks? And that Palin nearly got involved with an appearance with him before the campaign re-arranged that? But that is all baby stuff in the big picture. Did you know that John McCain personally lobbied Congress to go easy on Lincoln Federal Savings and Loan, and his buddy Charles Keating....and was called before a Senate subcommittee to explain under oath why he injected himself in a situation that allowed Keating to continue to fleece investors, and two years later resulted in the collapse of the Savings and Loan, meaning multi-million dollars of losses for those people with their money in Lincoln Savings???? Oh yes, and that Keating had paid for McCain and his entire family to go to the Caribbean on vacation for free???? Or that he supposed Graham/Leach/Bliley, which, along with other deregulatory rulings like the repeal of Glass Steagall, made banks able to get into the securities business; allowed banks to leverage at 40 to 1 (it had been 12 to 1) before that....and that Phil Graham (the architect of Graham/Leach/Bliley) was one of the people McCain mentioned as one of the people he would rely on as President to guide him with respect to the economy??? Oh yes...as for your scoffing at the margin of Obama's victory, it is the largest since LBJ!!!!!!!! (That was 1964 - 44 years ago!) Most people think that is historic....Reagan or Bush would have flipped out to win by 7%. It's only you, the "know-it-all" that can both get your facts wrong, and act arrogant while doing it.

      • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 11:32:50 AM

        "Graham"'s name is atually spelled GRAMM. At least learn to spell his name correctly if you're going to attack him.

      • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 11:31:04 AM

        What racist remarks did Haggee make? ..please explain.
        McCain was exonerated of any wrong-doing in the Keating affair.
        Reagan won by double digits in 1984. Mondale won one state that year.
        You might want to check your facts before you post here.

      • Posted By: DaveB in AZ @ 11/05/2008 6:23:19 PM

        Shortly after the Glass Steagall Act was put into place in the early 1930 - one of the two authors wanted it repealed because it was considered as having gone to far in the regulatory direction. It was changed in 1999 by Gramm-Leach-Bliley because it was found that even safety mechanisms have significant downsides. The GLB Act did not make banks go to an unreasonable leveraged situation any more than low interest rates and easy mortgages made people obtain mortgages that they could not afford.

    • Posted By: willowbrook @ 11/05/2008 3:24:27 PM

      Thanks for telling it like it is!!! I just hope things don't go as bad as they potentially will in the next 4 years when the rest of the country "discovers" just what they voted for.

      • Posted By: gigglinggirl @ 11/05/2008 4:06:41 PM

        Yes, we really need to worry about the next four years. After all, life is so perfect right now. Two wars, neither going well, our reputation in the crapper, de-regulation helping that "demolish the financial system" plan right along, the American auto industry on the verge on extinction, a President who only pokes his head out of his hole when he has to, a VP who thinks listening into American's telephone conversations - even those of servicemen talking to their wives is okay, and claims the VP isn't part of the Executive Branch - yea....we're really going to miss these "good ole days". :(

    • Posted By: forloveofcountry @ 11/05/2008 2:23:02 PM

      Thank you for your writing. I, too, have been appalled at how many potential red flags about Obama were overlooked by mainstream media. If Obama's "redistribution of wealth" plan takes affect, there is really no incentive for anyone to work hard to earn a good living. Why work hard to have your money taken away from you to give to someone who is on welfare? I believe in helping those in need, but why does it always fall on those of us who have worked very hard to get what we have...I came from nothing and have not been handed anything...I worked for it, and so should everyone else!

      • Posted By: ad_p @ 11/05/2008 3:40:54 PM

        I agree with you. I also came from nothing. After years of hard work, saving bit by bit and a little opportunity, I managed to own a small business and eventually a gas station/convenient store. I wouldn't want our government come in and take most of what I make and decide on my behalf how it should be spent. That decision should be mine. Besides, if I work hard for the money, I should be the one keeping it and let me decide what social causes I want to give money to.

  • Posted By: kirk44 @ 11/06/2008 11:24:55 AM

    Wow, the election is over and the bashing of the Republican Party continues. Still struggling to connect the dots on how Obama appeared "presidential" sitting out the financial crisis. "The Unifier" even said he wouldn't contact Republican's to push for acceptance of the original bill because "I haven't had a lot of success" convincing Republican's in the past.

    I agree there are lessons to be learned, on both sides, to shape future elections. It appears the price of admission for a future presidential campaign is $1B and a "rock star" persona. That will certainly limit and discourage competent, capable leaders from pursuing the office. On the other side, once the "petals fall off the rose" on the Obama presidency the fickle press MAY return to balance in political coverage and give someone other than a far-left leaning politician a shot at the presidency.

  • Posted By: paulsp2 @ 11/06/2008 11:21:47 AM

    As an outsider (i.e. non American) it seems to me that historically the Democrats are possiblyi better at getting the economy in order simply because they are not so keen on a free-for-all system. I believe that Ronald Regan's penchant for deregulation of just about everything was the beginning of the economic troubles that America faces today. That's probably a strong reason for Obama doing so well.

  • Posted By: GrogInOhio @ 11/05/2008 2:16:56 PM

    As long as Republicans argue over strategy and tactics without ever realizing that it's their abysmally failed policies of de-regulating greed, an upside down tax structure and exclusion that America voted against, the longer they'll be a minority party. Sounds good to me.

    76 days till the end of the Bush administration.

    • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 11:20:35 AM

      Question...when the top 5% of wage earners pay over 50% of taxes, how is that upside down? When millions of poor pay no Federal Income tax how is that upside down? When millions of poor, who pay no taxes, are given tax credits...how is that upside down? I'm assuming you're stating that the rich pay too much in the way of taxes...correct?

  • Posted By: CONERNED PARENT @ 11/05/2008 2:21:27 PM

    THE ONLY REASON MCCANN AND PALIN DIDN'T WIN WAS BECAUSE THE MEDIA FAVORED OBAMA AND DID EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET HIM ELECTED AND DID EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO DRAG DOWN MCCANN AND PALIN. IT REALLY DISCUSTS ME THE WAY THEY MADE PALIN (SOMEONE WITH GREAT MORALS LOOK LIKE A STUPID DITTS AND OBAMA WHO DOESN'T HAVE A MORAL BONE IN HIS BODY LOOK LIKE THE "MESSIAH". IT IS MONEY AND THE MEDIA THAT WON THE ELECTION AND THE MAIN REASON HE WON WAS BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK - HOW MANY BLACKS VOTED FOR MCCANN? THOSE THAT DIDN'T SHOULD BE CALLED RACISTS!!!

    • Posted By: bigbluecady @ 11/05/2008 3:50:30 PM

      Concerned Parent: Whose parent are you? You can't spell correctly and then you lie about President elect Obama buying the election. Is that what Bush did 4 years ago? Palin isn't a good parent, because if she were her daughter would have gone to her before she got pregnant not after? She was so busy running the state that she didn't have time for her children especially her teen age daughter. We as parents hope for our children come to us when they are in need and her pregnant daughter didn't do that until after she was. And oh yea is the girl married yet? No I don't think so.................. And just in case you need the info concerning the media Fox News Network was against President elect Obama all during this long 2 year period. So the media either didn't like him or did. It was just a new thing for them to see a Black man take the chance and do this thing (you know run for Presiden). And oh yea Palin isn't a saint and she never will be. Her plan was and is to make this nation her plantation. Get your head out of the clouds and know that we as a country can't do any worse with President elect Obama then we are now under President Bush.

      • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 11:15:17 AM

        You're making fun of her spelling? That's funny. You're grammar and diction is atrocious.

    • Posted By: snow930 @ 11/05/2008 3:58:03 PM

      Sarah Palin made herself look like a stupid ditz. Have you seen the Katie Curik interview. My gosh lady. most of this county is white, and for whites to elected him in, that you tell you something. GET A CLUE!

      • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 11:13:08 AM

        Grammar check please. Also, Obama lost the white vote.

    • Posted By: snow930 @ 11/05/2008 4:06:14 PM

      Another thing Concerned Parent, they did not vote for him because he was a "Black Man" that's the way you see it because you are possibly racist. It did not matter what color the McCain's opposition was, I think America saw through his negative antics and chose wisely!

    • Posted By: snow930 @ 11/05/2008 3:56:32 PM

      Sarah Palin made herself look like a stupid ditz. Have you seen the Katie Curik interview. My gosh lady. most of this county is white, and for whites to elected him in, that you tell you something. GET A CLUE!

    • Posted By: byebyebushie @ 11/05/2008 3:06:21 PM

      I forgot, the money and the media are ok when they side with a republican, but when the shoe is on the other foot, its cry cry cry. Funny how that works.

    • Posted By: delighted Parent @ 11/05/2008 2:37:06 PM

      is Mccann's first name Tom? because I didn't see him on the ballot!

    • Posted By: egbertsouse @ 11/05/2008 2:40:11 PM

      Someone such as you, barely literate, and spelling challenged ("concerned" is a third grade word) shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

    • Posted By: FoxyDr @ 11/05/2008 2:34:53 PM

      It's amazing that people seem to overlook the fact that Obama was raised by white people and was never exposed to the black culture until his college years. 90% of blacks along with the vast majority of whites, hispanics, and other minorities voted for who they thought would do the best job running this country. While some blacks voted for Obama simply because he is bi-racial, many whites did not vote for him for the same reason. I am so glad that the world is beginning to look past the color of a person's skin and truly judge them for what they can do.

    • Posted By: jzzz @ 11/05/2008 2:33:18 PM

      Wow, you're supposedly such a strong McCain supporter and you can't even spell his name right?

    • Posted By: republady @ 11/05/2008 2:32:38 PM

      Amen!

  • Posted By: joead @ 11/05/2008 2:34:27 PM

    The voters did not vote against McCain, they voted against the Republican party. The Republican way of running the country is always getting the country into economic problems. Reading the history book will bear this out. The only way the Republicans have a good economy is thru the manufacture of war materials.

    • Posted By: **steve** @ 11/05/2008 2:39:54 PM

      Joead, you are right that the history books tell the story. True conservatism works, Reganomics works. Under Reagan We experienced great prosperity. I do agree that in the last several years the Republican party has not done a good job, because they have behaved like liberal democrats; and those policies don't work.

      • Posted By: doctort @ 11/05/2008 2:54:37 PM

        What are you talking about. Following the economics of Milton Friedman and Ann Rand, so called neo-liberal, Savage economics as it is called in other countries and reagonomics here has vritually destroyed the middle class in every country it has been tried (usually at the point of a gun or a dictatorship); south america, Russia, SOuth africa etc have all felt the gulf between rich and poor that friedman economics creates. Now, the same selfish myopic viewpoint of the past 28 years almost destroyed this country, left us with a bigger government, no manufacturing base to base an true economy on, and the rip offs of the banking industry. Look at the major depression of the 20's, promoted by coolridge and hoover's stance on the free market. It tools us years to get out of this one. Read Shock Doctrine by naomi Klien. This lays out the truth about the chicago boys.

        • Posted By: pbpace @ 11/06/2008 11:05:34 AM

          Connect the dots..define Reaganomics and how did it destroy the economy? How did Hoover or Coolidge create the depression? Did FDR's policies end the Depression? Why did our govt. turn away from Keynesian economics in the first place? Btw, it's Ayn Rand and not Ann Rand.

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