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  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/05/2008 10:06:30 PM

    40YearR

    Look below Scott I responded. Davis took 35K he was a lobbyist that is what he is paid to do. He did not need to lobby dems they were in line to vote no on re-regulation. 17 Republicans crossed over with the dems. That is probably what the 250k was for.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:54:19 PM

    And "wilsan", tell me about the $250k Freddie donated for the R convention.

    • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 10:05:07 PM

      You know more about it than I do, so you tell me... And if you use NYT, or this rag, as sources, well, hehehe, that is not much creditability to go around. And also tell me that nothing was donated to the Democratic convention? And, as I recall... How much did Franklin Raines, The Democrats man, rake in from bad loans? Shouldn't he be investigate too?

      For a "40 Year Republican" (LOL!) you sure have forgotten a lot of interesting facts... especially if you are REALLY a Republican interested in what Democrats do.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 10:04:26 PM

    John Dough, Ok, you didn't lose the election because there was a backlash against the smear machine that smeared McC before he sold out to the propaganda machine.

    And Davis didn't receive millions in lobbyist fees to lobby against regulation.

    You're just victims of that nasty rad-lib press.

    That's how to build a better party.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 10:01:33 PM

    Gee Scott, We'll tell Obama that you prefer the unsubstantiated, anonymous emails, so he's got to rush over to let you hold it in your hands.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/05/2008 10:00:47 PM

    I'm not saying that at all Davis did take money that was what he was paid to do he didn't need to lobby any democrats they were all in line with a no vote on re-regulation. They needed 17 republicans and they got them stopping it in it's tracks.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:59:11 PM

    Yeah, As I got it about 20 Dems got donations aggregating couple hundred thousand, and McC was on that list too.

    Now tell me about the $35k/mo. that Rick Davis got to lobby against regulation, and about the $250k Freddie donated to the R convention.

  • Posted By: scott63 @ 11/05/2008 9:57:35 PM

    for chirst sake obama just show us your original birth certificate not a scanned copy online with fonts that didn't even exist in 1961 and the father who is called african which he would not have been called in America in 1961 he would have been black or negro and all us right wing loonies will go back to chasing ufo's ;)

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/05/2008 9:56:26 PM

    Pales in comparison to what they gave the dems but keep in mind that 17 republicans did jump ship after being lobbied by dem lobbyists maybe this is what the money was for.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:48:41 PM

    "wilsan": I'll take the word of Greenspan when he said "we" trusted those looters to "regulate themselves".

    • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 9:55:05 PM

      I would trust a 'real' Bi-Partisan investigation... But some Democrats will be going to jail, probably, so it will never happen.

      Ya know, as I recall, Obama was #2 on the Fannie/Freddie Campaign Donations list...

      You will NEVER hear that from Newsweek.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/05/2008 9:54:13 PM

    Greenspan is th one who talked Clinton and congress into de-regulation. He was the idiot who started it with his artificial low interest rates and deisre to de-regulate and trust the banks. At the same time the dems were pushing hard to increase minority and lower middle class home ownership via Freddie and Fannie and a host of other lenders. Then came interest rate increase, $4 a gallon gas and people could not affrod to make their payments on their mortgage ARM's . This brought down home prices as foreclosures loomed and the whole thing snowballed.
    Bush gets the blame but he didn't have the votes to re-regulate. Blame lies n Greenspan and the dems in congress.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:52:43 PM

    "wilsan" So you're saying that Davis did not take up to $35k/mo. from 2000 and right up to while he was McC's campaign manager, to lobby against regulation?

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:33:58 PM

    John Dough:

    Here are some facts for you.


    "Nowfor" continues repasting that the cause of our problem is a law decades old that encourages loans to qualified low income people.

    Alan Greenspan said the cause is that an entire financial system was built outside of regulation; "we trusted" these self-interested looters ???to regulate themselves???. Credit Default Swaps resulted. They increased from $106 trillion in '02 to $531 trillion under R stewardship.

    The legitimate news has reported that Fannie and Freddie paid many millions to McC's campaign manager, Rick Davis, who received up to $35K/mo. from Fannie and Freddie from 2000 to while he has been McC's campaign manager.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html and http://www.newsweek.com/id/164732/page/1

    Trillions were looted from our economy because the Rs allowed it. The Rs, including McC's campaign manager, are in the pockets of big money.

    A 40 year republican

    • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 9:46:23 PM

      LOL!

      Well, so-called 'Republican 40 years',you are staying true to form. You quote the New York Times and Newsweek s 'Legitimate' news sources.

      These two rags are about as far in the Tank for Obama as can be crawled in to. If those are you sources, I'd hate to see what you consider 'bad' sources.

      Don't you think it's kinda funny that the Democrats don't want to 'investigate' the sub-prime loan situation? now when have you EVER known the Democrats to pass-up a circus situation? Waxman has about 400 investigations going last I heard... And NONE of them ever come to anything. But he doesn't have to do anything... His rich Hollywood constituents just want to use Government money to pursue their liberal dreams.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/05/2008 9:46:20 PM

    You will notice I said nothing about un-doing the election I said if he is not an American citizen then Biden should be sworn in

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:44:53 PM

    John Dough: A what has that got to do with Obama's birth certificate or why our economy tanked or why we dicided it was necessary to vote out the party that blew it?

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/05/2008 9:42:35 PM

    Again a copy is just that produce the real thing if it is not an issue. Why seal it for 25 years

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/05/2008 9:41:13 PM

    40YearR

    World War II ended in 1945 and we are still in Germany, Japan, France and a host of other countries from that war. When WWII ended it took years to get Europe back on it's feet and we "footed" most of the bill even for our former enemy combatants. A lot of human loss was suffered in re-building those nations too. Now they are still our allies and friends despite the fact we disagree on some issues.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/05/2008 9:02:02 PM

    One has to wonder about all this criticism of the MSM and comments that it's the fault of the MSM that Obama was elected.
    America faces debt that will take generations to overcome.
    Two wars that are costing $500,000.00 per minute every minute of every hour of everyday.
    28% of Americans are now under the poverty level.
    Healthcare that ranks 37th in Industrialized nations.
    A survival rate of newborns that ranks 27th in the world.
    An outgoing President whose parting gift is to remove the protections of the clean water act; the man doesn???t even believe we deserve clean water.
    I could go on of course but it was not the MSM who gave America the problems we now face and the horrendous job of cleaning up the mess.
    It was the Republicans.
    The fact is those who "blame" the MSM would like everyone to be as ignorant as they are and are protesting the availability of news based on fact rather than opinion and I doubt that will ever change it requires one to grow up.

    • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 9:29:52 PM

      RO,
      You are absolutely wrong on the MSM.

      The media 'frames' the view of current events. When the media 'distorts' events in the framing, distorted perceptions, discussion/debate, and eventually actions are all that come about.

      A free, honest, and responsible media presents all major sides of issues. A biased & lying media presents just one side of an issue.

      Newsweek chooses to present just one side... Shameful, unprofessional, and bad for the country. That is why this rag is loosing circulation. I hope it goes out of business.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:40:10 PM

        "wilsan": Trying to win an election with lies, smears, propaganda, very bad for the country.

        Trying to blame others for one's mistakes: Denial

        A 40 year republican

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 9:36:19 PM

    You're wrong again John Dough, the photos include one of the certification of authenticity.

    "We are all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own set of facts". John Adams

  • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 6:08:05 PM

    Folks, a little more reasoning as to why many of us are very angry:

    We think that this election was stolen by the "In the Tank for Obama Media". We believe that the many major news sources deliberately slanted & biased their news coverage to favor Obama. This slant & bias took the form of more coverage time for Obama, and more positive spin for Obama by a factor of about 3:1 I am sure that you are aware that this has been measured, and reported.

    'If' this election had been covered fairly, then 'the will of the people has been done'. It wasn't covered fairly, and now, we are very angry.

    Newsweek was in the forefront of this bias, slant, and spin, along with MSNBC, NBC, CNN, NYT, and Time Magazine.. I think ALL of these so-called 'news organizations' should be profoundly ashamed for the disservice they have done to this country by lying for a politician.

    • Posted By: ft_wayne_voter @ 11/05/2008 9:34:28 PM

      I' m 32 years old, and for as long as I can remember elections have been littered with yammering on about media bias. Fox News is far from the "fair and balanced" it claims to hold so dear, just as MSNBC is comfort food for us on the other side. As far as the negative spin on the McCain campaign, all I can say is nobody watches a train running smoothly down the track, but a trainwreck is something that's makes for compelling tv. The McCain/Palin ticket was a calamity that just couldn't get out of its own way. And don't even get me started on Joe the Plumber. McCain is the one that gave us his last name during debate number three, then blamed Obama for the ensuing media circus that surround Joe. Even though Joe proved to be a fraud for the most part - not making the kind of money he insinuated, invoking things like socialism and agreeing Obama's election would lead to the death of Israel with no kind of justification or knowledge of the issue, etc. - McCain kept bringing him up day after day. That's not negative spin - that's lousy campaigning, and the media just happened to be there.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 6:32:47 PM

      "wilsan" you're hallucinating. I've been an R for 40 year, and never voted for a Dem 'til Obama.

      I was not confused by the news. I was outraged by all of the lies, distortion, smears and propaganda.

      Anyone who's been on these blogs for the last few days will attest that these have been the main reason why I'm on this site, and why I would have voted to anyone to oppose where the R party has gone.

      The second reason I have been stating is that the extremists have now become "the base".

      There are many like me, wilsan, and I expect you can be assured that the R party will win few important elections while people like you are "the base".

      You scare us all, and you compel us to protect ourselves.

      A 40 year republican

      • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 6:50:05 PM

        No problem at all, 40yearR.

        Change your registration please - If you feel more at home with the Democrats, then you should.

        The Republicans are going through the housecleaning process. We will clean up our Party's bad players, and get back to Principles, ethics, and integrity. Frankly, we drifted quite a ways from that. And now we're cleaning out.

        The Democrats have NEVER done a house cleaning. They just keep re-electing their corrupted politicians, or bring in someone entirely new that hasn't been too corrupted yet. The cumulative effect is going to be disastrous. Again: The Democrats were blitzed back in 1994 because of corruption - and guess who's back?

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 7:02:04 PM



          I've been away a few minutes "wilsan". I was copying your posts to include with my letter to the RNC explaining why I and so many others crossed party lines and voted for Obama.

          They will see why the R party is shrinking. If they have any sense, they'll clean house like William F. Buckley chased all the extremists out before.

          'Til then, you delusionals can sit there occupying an ever-shrinking party, and try to persuade each other that it's the press' fault.

          A 40 year republican

          • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 7:13:21 PM

            You expect ANYBODY to take this seriously? LOL! This is getting weird. At least mrzoid seems rational.

            OK. I spent this morning drinking coffee, eating donuts, with a couple of dozen Republicans... now, tell me more about your RNC contacts. how many signs did you put out this election? letters to the editor? money donated? coffees held? Phone calls made?

            Obviously, I am wasting time on you. good night.

            And PLEASE, go change your registration. We're building a better party, but we're only as good as the people that join us.

            • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/05/2008 7:21:38 PM


              "wilsan": If you and your posts are representative of the other "couple dozen republicans", you spent your morning with, you're not going to build a better party.

              Anybody smart enough to do that wouldn't be blaming the press for this loss. Many prominent Rs have already recognized what I've said: the smear propaganda machine chased away us moderates. Either you and your fellows are reinforcing each other, or you didn't listen well.

              Your statement that I am not welcome in you company is the kind of thing why the R party will keep shrinking.

              Blame it on the other guys, it's easier than facing up to one's self.

              A 40 year republican

              • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 11/05/2008 8:08:18 PM

                eating donuts - that's your problem.

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 11/05/2008 7:42:17 PM

          Wilsan, you stated "The Republicans are going through the housecleaning process. We will clean up our Party's bad players, and get back to Principles, ethics, and integrity. Frankly, we drifted quite a ways from that. And now we're cleaning out."

          You, yourself, admit that the GOP has sustained damage from the inside to the outside. BUT, you blame the MSM for your party's loss. There may have been media bias ( I don't think there was much), but do you think that you're the only one who saw the demise of your party?

          Kiddo, Republicans were tripping over themselves to get away from the trainwreck. From the Palin pick, to McC's lack of solutions, to his allegience w/ BUSH and his failing doctrine.....it all spelled disaster.

          You can't blame the MSM "boogeyman" for that. You just admitted your own party flaws. You seem like an intelligent being...knowing this, why did you stay? Were you comfortable w/ McC's voting record on Equal Rights, Women's rights, the war, the economy.........?

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 11/05/2008 6:12:43 PM

      Dont forget the NYPost, WSJ, almost all talk radio, and of course FoxNews..... they were all totally spinning for Obama..... oh wait.

      • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 6:18:38 PM

        The Tank media was spinning for Obama when Hillery was in the race. Face it p the Tank Media WANTED Obama to win, regardless.

        Affirmative Action at the Presidential level?

        • Posted By: mrzoid @ 11/05/2008 6:26:49 PM

          Yeah, but only for Obama's 50% black part. Tiger Woods is actually not that good either, just the liberal media spin.

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 11/05/2008 6:40:58 PM

            Hahahaha!!! nice.....

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 11/05/2008 6:25:44 PM

          I'm trying to understand the connection between media bias and Affirmative Action. What does one have to do w/ the other?

          Also, is it fair to say that FOXNEWS, ALL of conservative talk radio, the NYPost, and WSJ wanted McCain?

          You can't have it both ways.

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/05/2008 6:09:56 PM

      How did you calculate that 3:1 factor?

      • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 6:16:57 PM

        Reported in a news article last week. Another one was a Pew Research center report, I believe.

        And believe it or not, I measured it myself. It's not hard, thinking for one's self... Get your excercise watch, and time the total coverage time for Obama; then McCain. Then subjectively determine positive|negative.

        Try it - it works! the thinking part, I mean...

        • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/05/2008 6:28:18 PM

          Why not sight those sources?
          And if you're being subjective. Maybe the one in the news more is the one who does something newsorthy more often. As for posotive vs negative, do you think they should have kept hush hush about things like the results of Palin 'n ethics commison report? After all - it wouldn't be fair to report the results if they're negative....

          • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 6:34:24 PM

            Nope - just balance it out... Like Biden's son being a lobbyist with questionable ties... and Obama voting with Biden to give Biden's son business. Sweet.

            And like Biden's past... as I recall, something like plagereism (sp) and other things...

            Just give it the same investigative time as palin. there is a lot there. They didn't shut Joe up for nothing.

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 11/05/2008 6:32:12 PM

          I agree that some of the MSM outlets favored Obama. BUT, so what? That could be b/c of a number of things. Ratings, the fact McCain had NO positive messages, their agreement w/ Obama's policies for the nation, the utter failue of the GOP platform for the past 8 years.

          Bottom line, the voters were informed on ALL sides of the issues. And, the VOTERS cast their ballots freely. Turning the MSM into the new "boogeyman" is undermining the VOTER'S will to make informed choices.

          MY gosh, McCain admitted, himself, that his campaign was beat by the superior OBAMA.

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/05/2008 8:50:44 PM

    George Soros finally got what he wanted! I have a feeling that his influence is going to extend well beyond the campaign stage. Everybody was touting what a great campaign Obama was running. But he wasn't running it. It was running him. With enough money you can buy anything. You can buy extreme order. George Soros is going to continue coddling Obama through his presidency to make him look good. He will likely be in contact with foreign leaders, buying their cooperation and easing their fears. George Soros likely bought Obama an Army of advisors to answer any and all questions. Remember Soros is the financial genious that made his money off of the securities markets. He may have even had a hand in crashing the stock market to favor the Democrats just before the election. There is no way that the most unqualified presidential candidate in history got to where he did without such massive help. Some have speculated that after Obama won the Presidency that the media would turn on him and the honeymoon would be over but there is a broader agenda. Soros is buying up all of these newspapers that are endorsing Obama which is an attempt at Socialist propaganda state. He will likely retain his control over the large media networks as well. What is
    the price for stoking Obama's ego? An agenda that makes George Soros the grand puppet master of planet Earth!

    • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/05/2008 9:34:10 PM

      Krohn...

      I don't know about George Soros buying up all the media (The Tank Media couldn't be any worse) I do know that Soros cheated Great Britain. Go google "Black Wednesday" and you'll see just how bad a player this character is. He fits right in with moveon.org, and the democratic crowd.

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