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  • Posted By: Paela @ 11/10/2008 12:32:56 PM

    We are getting a clearer picture of Obama each day, especially in the foreign policy arena. It points to arrogance, weakness, and dishonesty:

    Obama met with Iraq's Maliki in July 2008 and began or tried to negotiate with him BEFORE he was president.

    In July 2008, at the same time the Bush administration was negotiating a still elusive agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, OBAMA TRIED TO CONVINCE IRAQI LEADERS IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, GEORGE W. BUSH, SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO ENACT THE DEAL WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL.

    A few weeks before the Nov. 4 election Obama threw conservative reporters off of his plane.

    In October 2008 VP candidate Joe Biden predicted an international crisis would be staged in 2009 to test Obama after he became president, and predicted that people in the U.S. would not like the way Obama handles it. FIRST TIME IN KNOWN HISTORY THAT A VP CANDIDATE HAS MADE SUCH A PREDICTION ABOUT HIS PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE.

    On Nov. 8, 2008, President-elect Barack Obama's private conversation with Poland's president created an international disagreement, with President Lech Kaczynski saying Obama promised to continue a missile-defense system and the transition office saying the Democrat made no such commitment.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:10:44 PM

      We are getting a clearer picture of Obama each day, especially in the foreign policy arena. It points to arrogance, weakness, and dishonesty:???

      I have three letter for you that fit your description: GWB

      • Posted By: Paela @ 11/10/2008 5:02:21 PM

        Obama's arrogance will eventually become so evident that it will disappoint even you. You'll find out that you won't be getting a monthly check for doing nothing but sitting in a cave and braying with your friends.

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 6:53:28 PM

          I run a successful business and I will be seeing to that. Bush supporters should be beggting for forgiveness. You are missing your chance to step up and be accountable and truthful with yourself and others.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 1:13:41 PM

      Still hanging on to the lies and distortions? Let's try a little guilt by association. That always turns a bottom feeder like you on. Which party do the Neonazi skinheads most identify with? The KKK? Would you rather be associated with a radical preacher and a terrorist twho did his dirty deeds when you were in the 3rd grade or with Sean Hannity, Dick Morris, Mary Matelin, Rush Limbaugh, John Hagee, Pat Robertson and on and on and on?

      The GOP party of hate is through. Not Now and not ever again will you mouth-breathers run this country.

      We've got the whirehouse, house, senate and soon the supreme court.

      You're done, stick a fork in yourself!

      God is Good and Life is Good.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:17:35 PM

        They are done!!! The little roaches are finished. Scurry away little GOP mouthpieces, the light is coming, run back to your dung heap and replenish for your next airing of your brainwashing sessions.

        • Posted By: Paela @ 11/10/2008 4:57:58 PM

          You can't come up with any facts so you turn to ad hominem invective. If the U.S. becomes a post apocalyptic cinder during the Obama reign you and your friends will sit in a cave and bray that it's Bush's fault.

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 6:50:48 PM

            Wow, that is really a stretch! Holy Sht! The sky is falling!

            After the last 8 years, Bush supporters should be asking for forgiveness not trying to use inneffective fear innuendo.

        • Posted By: Paela @ 11/10/2008 5:04:13 PM

          What did Joe Biden mean when he predicted an international crisis would be staged in 2009 to test Obama after he became president, and predicted that people in the U.S. would not like the way Obama handles it????

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 6:48:29 PM

            That was not the context, adn he said what conventional wisdom says, what people have know for years. Is that news/?

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 12:55:23 PM

      Wrong! Dick Cheney predicted more Terrorist Strikes against the USA when campaigning for Bush the second time around. Using the rhetoric to compare Bush and Kerry.

  • Posted By: O'HaraRichmondVA @ 11/07/2008 9:17:59 PM

    If the President-elects plan is to undue the economics of President Ronald Reagan...which has seen the United Statesenjoy an ever-expanding economy since1983...then he will be a failure as a leader and as President. The hyperbole of the media during the Bush years always omitted two essentail facts...that until recently the unemployment figures through this Administration averageda full poiont lower than during the clinton years...and Bush faced the economic implosion following 9/11. We all do wish our new President well...but our nation will not heal if the media keeps drum-beating about a past that they continue to lie about.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:27:16 PM

      Trickle down is a joke, got it yet??

      • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/10/2008 4:03:14 PM

        Actually 'trickle down' would be a bad joke as it costs so much from government and benefits so few, who simply don't need it to begin with. No, what 'trickle down' really is, is a fraud perpetrated to con the people, benefit the few and have pay back to the politicians. Not very funny at all!

    • Posted By: Republican be gone @ 11/10/2008 1:54:07 AM

      Look, I voted for Reagan in 1984 over national defense issues. But you have to admit, the big deficit stuff started with him.... and every republican president has made the national debt larger.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/08/2008 9:26:39 AM

      "If the President-elects plan is to undue the economics of President Ronald Reagan..."

      Actually, his tax plan is pretty much identical to Reagan's.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/10/2008 3:58:50 PM

    One last observation before letting go of the politics. As an ex-registered Republican who hadn???t voted for a Democratic presidential candidate between John F Kennedy and Al Gore (really then against Bush) I think it is objective to note that not only have the Republicans demonstrated a total disregard for their responsibility, throughout the Bush-Cheney presidency and all through the McCain-Palin campaign, but that now they are continuing their arrogantly self-focused mentality even after loosing badly, as if they have no conscience and assume that people are gullible and naïve pawns to be manipulated. This behavior is now seen in their irate faulting of each other, in the separate factions maneuvering for control, in their positioning to criticize and offer the Obama admin resistance and in their focus on presenting subterfuge to pressure the new presidency and to set themselves up for future elections, all of this without any sincere concern for the drastic and significant problems at hand or even for what the people think. The Republican Party has come a long way down hill as evidenced by their attitude over the last eight years and in continuing now, where they sociopathically pursue a private agenda for the benefit of Special Interests and a select few and just take the average American for granted in offering them only apathy, the costs and an abundance of subterfuge. The Republican leaders speeches that now challenge Obama to reach across the isle instead of their demonstrating some appropriate extension of cooperation; the ultra conservative core now condemning Obama without waiting and seeing; the continued touting of Sarah Palin by a conservative faction even after the whole world now recognizes her as an empty and unconscionably self-focused entity; their ignoring of their own proven faults that have cost us greatly as they simply attempt to continue their scare and smear tactics; all are just examples of their mentality that says they think they are above accountability and that people can literally be taken for granted. It is a shame but hopefully if a more moderate element focused on honestly and responsibly representing all of the people doesn???t take control, then the people will just continue to give them the message by rejecting them in the voting booths.

  • Posted By: oosfabra @ 11/10/2008 9:14:01 AM

    Obama was given a pass so many times by so many media outlets, it was a journalistic disgrace. The media was so anxious to see him win and to oust President Bush whom they had help demonize for years. It has reached the point where it is no longer even interesting to hear what is said on television because it is so predictably liberal. The media with very few exceptions is constantly pushing the gay agenda, pretending the innocent slaughter of the unborn doesn't exist, and casting those people with traditional Christian values as stupid or poorly educated. The pen is often mightier than the sword and unfortunately this sword wielded by the media has done much damage that is almost immpossible to reverse. Too many Americans take too much of what they hear or read as truth, never admitting to themselves that the media have an agenda that they are pushing. The media are really more "newsmakers" than news reporters. The media can make something the focus or story of the day, they can pretend it never happened or doesn't exist (for example; 1,000,000 abortions per year here in THIS country), or bury a story with two sentences on page 59.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:23:02 PM

      Let me let you in on a little secret: A huge number of Christians voted for Obama. People that understand many of the issues pertty well and are not led around by the media. You are in denial and very naive to think people are that stupid to follow the media as a whole. Yur ignorance insults my intelligence, and many peoples and you will be left alone in your little world of denial to be with the crowd that has been marginalized by people that possess hearts and minds, and can use both effectively.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:14:37 PM

      Bush was an outright disgrace! Nobody demonised that embarassment, he should have been impeached, and they cut him a break. Are you sad becase Rush and the mouthpieces did not sway the media? They are a thing of the past. They are little roaches that hide behind the microphone and when the light is shined on them they scurry away to the dung heap to replenish themselves for the next airing.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 10:14:52 AM

      Let's see if you can admit something to yourself.

      If the Conservative Republican is interested in outlawing abortion, can you explain why no legislation was introduced and no litigation filed, during the 6 year period between 2001 and 2006, when the GOP held majority in both houses of congress, the Whitehouse and Supreme Court?

      Let me suggest this answer. Is it possible those Republicans holding elected office would be deprived of the tool they use to excite their base, year after year and election after election.

      Another question. Wouldn't the abortion rate be reduced if the GOP recommended birth control devices, pills and condoms? Less unwanted pregnancies and therefore lass abortion?

      Do you really think just say no, is an intellegent approach?

      • Posted By: barfly @ 11/10/2008 12:32:36 PM

        Abstinence is a very unintelligent approach. Look at Palin's daughter, i'm sure she was told to abstain, but I guess she didn't. If she would have had knowledge of contraceptives, her pregnancy could have been avoided.

        • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 12:50:57 PM

          Those that preach abstinance cannot possibly believe it works. Just say no? Please! They just can't afford to be caught by their fellow Republicans saying so. To come out and promote condoms, for example, would be unacceptable. That would be the same, in their minds, to promoting unwedded sex. The results of this narrow-mindedness is more unwanted pregnancies and more abortions.

          Promoting "just say no" increases the amount of babies that are aborted. Ironically it's the right to lifers who are unknowingly promoting abortion.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 10:23:17 AM

      On traditional Christian values. Do you thinK it moral for a Church leader to bilk their flock of money they need just to survive.

      Just today, i saw Pastor John Hagee, give this sermon. He said, Elijah went to a widow's home in Isreal during a famine and asked her to give him her last piece of bread. Though she and her son were starving she gave him the bread. Then supernaturally her grain barrel and her oil barrel filled to the brim.

      The message isdesigned to press Christians to give even there last dollar to him. How on earth can one believe this dispicable man?

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/10/2008 12:25:08 PM

    There seems to be considerable concern and pressure for the incoming Obama administration to reach across the isle, which of course the Republicans would love even though they sure didn't do it themselves, yet, in the mean time, the Republicans all seem to be focused on blaming each other for their loss, with factions within the party positioning for control and then for resisting anything the Democrats may offer. Don't they realize that their aggressive and arrogant self-focus is what caused their downfall and that the people really want a responsible focus on the real and serious problems at hand? It is past time for the Republican leaders and conservative leaders to get over themselves and start acting like representatives of the people rather than just always pursuing their private agendas.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 12:32:07 PM

      Newly Elected House and Senate Members have already announced their intention to cross the isle.

      of course they'll have to because that where the seats they took from the party of hate are located.

      God is Good! Life is Good!

  • Posted By: janice springer @ 11/07/2008 9:45:12 PM

    this is truly disgusting....and blacks aren't racist and liberals aren't loons
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDEAYgm0Dv8

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 11/09/2008 7:45:11 PM

      How is this black schoolteacher racist?

      How does this paint a liberal as a loon?

  • Posted By: carlyboo @ 11/09/2008 4:40:11 PM

    President Obama, remember admist your life's accomplishments and adversities, you relied on the lessons learnt from personal experience and history. You are indeed a transformative figure for these unprecedented times. Truly such times are conquered by the audacity of hope.

  • Posted By: gauntnl @ 11/09/2008 3:56:52 PM

    Yes, lessons learned from the spirits of the past should help this President with the tough choices to be made, but I am saddened that Newsweek didn't capture the true picture of the past and present coming together in the tear-stained face of Reverend Jackson in Grant Park. That picture said it all. Please find it and publish that in a future edition of the magazine.

  • Posted By: heyitsmekelly @ 11/08/2008 1:03:13 PM

    President-Elect was asked a question if he has spoken with past President for any advice . I found some good advice from a past President that Obama should hear . The media also need to hear this advice . It just amazes me that words from the past still ring so true today !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces&NR=1


    Good advice evryone needs to hear !

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/08/2008 10:24:15 AM

    It is ironic to hear leaders from the conservative base criticizing the Bush-Cheney admin for excessive spending and irresponsible behavior, even accusing them of ???being too much like Democrats???. Several of these leaders now advocate that the Republican Party has to get back to Republican basics, as if Bush-Cheney etal were solely at fault, ignoring that the Republicans in congress, the Republican Party and yes, the conservative base too all strongly supported, even applauded and benefited from what transpired as it was happening. It is obvious that these conservative leaders are simply trying to blame Bush-Cheney and then once again manipulate public opinion. They apparently assume people are gullible and naïve and are always just sheep waiting to be herded. How can they continue to rationalize that they represent the party of Christian values when they lack any conscience for honesty? What the Republican Party really needs to get back to, what they got away from, a long way away from, is simple honesty ??? and boldly claiming to be Christian conservatives just doesn???t hide it!

  • Posted By: JCRocket @ 11/06/2008 6:19:47 PM

    Let me add my voice to the chorus of those proclaiming Senator Obama's victory as a proud and momentous moment in American history. Anyone, of any political persuasion, who was not moved as things unfolded Tuesday night, needs to take a hard look at themselves and their true motivations.

    There is now a much-needed window of opportunity for some real political unity in this country, something that has been missing for a long time.

    Four years ago, I disparaged those Democrats who vowed that Bush would never be "their President", would move to Canada, etc. While the Bush Administration can rightly be blamed for many of the problems of the day, it's also true that the intransigience of the opposition contributed significantly as well.

    Now the shoe is on the other foot.

    My Republican friends, always the first to proclaim their patriotism, now have the chance to truly show their patriotism - by uniting behind the new Commander-In-Chief, who was selected by the system that we all hail as the greatest on Earth.

    As I listened to Senator McCain's incredibly magnanimous concession speech (and heard the ridiculous boos and catcalls when he appealed for unity) it brought to mind the spectre of Robert E. Lee at the end of the Civil War, who called for his Confederate comrades to lay down their arms once and for all, for the good of America as a whole - at a time when many were more inclined to take to the hills and fight a protracted guerilla war that would have bled the Union dry. Many historians feel that without Lee's statements after his surrender to Grant at Appomatox, hostilities would have continued for years, and history would be far different now.

    I pray that the supporters of the defeated side today are able to swallow their political differences and rally behind the President-elect - and show that "Country First" was not just an empty motto on political placards.

    If the Bush Administration proved anything, it's that power and authority - be it political, military, or economic - is a finite resource, which is diminished each time it is used in excess, especially if used in a bludgeoning manner. The Obama philosophy of "yes we can" should be an improvement over the Bush approach of "because I can".

    But either way, anyone who digs in and roots for the President to fail because he's not "their guy" - whether it's during a Bush presidency or an Obama one - is, as far as I'm concerned, about as anti-American as you can get.

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 11/07/2008 1:34:54 PM

      JCRocket

      Well said

      • Posted By: midwesternwoman @ 11/07/2008 7:22:14 PM

        LIke Others responndingto this, I agree- an eloquent post.. it is true that we have to stand united. yes, many people are disappointed that Obama won, but every time we read a nasty, vengefuyl e-mail about the so called evils of Obama ,we are commiting a terrorist act. If we cannot stand united then we open ourselves to real terrorists who would seek to divide and conquer.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/07/2008 10:25:01 AM

      " The Obama philosophy of "yes we can" should be an improvement over the Bush approach of "because I can". "

      Outstanding comment.

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/06/2008 6:29:53 PM

      Than k you for such a well thought out post.

      • Posted By: Vivi @ 11/06/2008 7:03:56 PM

        Such an eloquent and intelligent post. I enjoyed the plays on words. I only hope the instigators and antagonizers lurking about bother to read and consider what you have written here. Very well done.

  • Posted By: Therese in NV @ 11/07/2008 10:42:25 AM

    What both of you idiots don't seem to understand, is Both Political Parties are to blame for the current economic crisis. We have a Republican Administration, with a Democratic Controlled Congress. Instead of both parties working together passing legislation two years ago, giving more government oversight to lending institutions; Republicans and Democrats have been fighting like children, not wanting either side to give an inch. Well, now we have a Democratic President, Democratic Controlled House of Representatives, and Democratic Controlled Senate. At the end of this first Presidential Term, the Democrats will have had almost Seven years of control over legislation. Democrats won't have the excuse of blaming inaction on Republicans. A point that will be driven home, during the 2012 upcoming campaign. So, Democrats, you think you can do better without bankrupting the country, well, it is time to put up or shut up!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/07/2008 4:55:49 PM

      Actually, we had the GOP controlling Washington for 6 of the last 8 years. The Dems came in in the final 2 years. Bush's speding priorities and incredibly inept policies have crippled out economy andour standing in the world. As well as tortured and killed the innocent, started a war under the cloak of a lie. The only real issue I have with the dems is that they are pussies, adn let Bush push them around with Terror politics, or terrorism that it used as a propoganda tool to bend the will of the congress. Those that didn't vote for the war I respect, the rest can *** off and that is a big piece of the pie.

      Lack of oversight and accountability led in a major way in where we are today. It was the GOP creed, so that cannot be swept under the rug. It will not be forgotten, even if you try and distract from the facts, it will never be forgotten.

    • Posted By: SexiGelRox @ 11/07/2008 12:38:31 PM

      Thank you for realizing that. I'm a republican and I'm not going to say that what Bush has ton is perfect, many believe it's far from it, but he's not the only one to blame.

      First every irresponsible person out there who got a house, when they really shouldn't have, it a good starting point.

      Next think. When did all of this forclosure and economy things really start to take a turn for the worst? My bet is you'll say right around 2 years ago. What happened two years ago? We elected a democratic congress! I'm not saying it is completely their fault either, but the House of Representatives is in charge of our money and how we spend it and what taxes are leveed! They could've gone a long way to pushing this problem into overdrive. Not to mention the constant childish behavior between the republican president and democratic congress I'm sure happened as well.

      Everyone in this country is to blame, and everyone will need to help fix it. No president whether dem or rep is going to fix this, unless everyone else does their part. The president can do what they want but if congress doesn't like it then there's no hope, same goes true for the reverse. And if the president and congress agree on something, and the people of this country don't take responsibility for their spending habits then it's also not going to do a damn thing. It's everyone's problem, everyone created it, and now everyone has to fix it.

      • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/07/2008 2:35:01 PM

        That was probably the best comment I've seen you post.

        No way can a problem this be have one single cause or a simple solution. Many are responsilbe (on all sides) and jsut as many will have to cooperate to get us out of this mess.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/07/2008 11:17:00 AM

      "So, Democrats, you think you can do better without bankrupting the country, well, it is time to put up or shut up!"

      You're absolutely correct (except for the fact that Obama doesn't take office until January 20th).

      The democrats BETTER perform. I voted for them, but I'll vote against them, if they don't make substantial progress in getting this country back on track.

      But I'm pretty sure you and I would disagree with what "back on track" means.

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/07/2008 10:51:52 AM

      That was actually the exact point I was trying to make. I guess you missed the sarcasm.

      Sorry

  • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/07/2008 3:06:04 PM

    With all the new arguing and finger pointing in the Palin and Mccain campaigns now, I'm glad they didn't get in.

    How well would they have worked together through some very tough times ahead? They obviously aren't very united.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/07/2008 2:35:09 PM



    "Fourty4", I paid the highest rate under the Reagan program for over a decade. While I would have preferred to pay less taxes, I never felt cheated or that it was unfair, nor did I think those who made less paid too little.

    That's why it's so remarkable to me that so many are so confused as to think that allowing expiration of the Bush tax give away to the rich, is unfair or somehow injures them or anyone else.

    That's why McCain opposed that tax break, calling it "irresponsible" because "it benefits only the rich".

    There are many unfairnesses in this country, but expiration of this tax give away to the rich is way down my list.

    A 40 year republican

  • Posted By: valark @ 11/07/2008 12:33:02 PM

    What is truly a shame is people believed the tax cut and money for 95% of the country. It is also a shame they believed it was fair. However, it isn't going to happen...I guess you all forgot those 'soda in the drinking fountain" promises.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/07/2008 2:00:46 PM



      "valark": It is remarkable how many are so confused as to believe that allowing expiration of the Bush tax give away to the rich, is either unfair or somehow will be injurious to them or anyone.

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 11/06/2008 10:44:28 PM

    The higher the expectation, the worse the disappointment; the faster the rise, the heavier the fall; what comes fast will go quickly -- these are the golden rules of life.

    If Dow continues to be of any indicator to the current economic horror, its consecutive two-day combined near 10% fall speaks volume. It is far louder than hollow words and empty rhetoric. And don???t forget that was immediately after the Election Day, practically (in one single stroke) wiping off the blank euphoria of ushering a new president who has yet to prove himself!

    STOP TRUMPETING, world mass media, get down to serious work.
    (btt1943@yahoo.com, Tan Boon Tee)

    • Posted By: jjaffie @ 11/07/2008 1:18:24 PM

      So it had nothing to do with everyone releasing their DISAPPOINTING 3rd Quarter earnings all this week? Bet Ford & GM blowing through $15 billion in cash reserves had nothing to do with stock prices either. Also this week it was announced that the unemployment rate has hit a 14 year high.

      One thing getting a huge boost thanks to the election is Gun Sales.

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/07/2008 10:26:48 AM

      Wow. did you really not notice the mess the stock markets were in leading up to the election?

      Do you not recall the record drop just a couple of weeks ago? I guess you're blaimng that one on the Republicans?

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/07/2008 12:10:42 PM

    I get upset and dismayed whenever I hear anyone use the term ???conservative??? as a compliment or the term ???liberal??? as a derogatory. I mean I just can???t imagine where these people have been or how they missed what has been happening all around them. It isn???t that the reverse is true either, just that it is untrue and greatly misleading to view either term in those regards. Actually either term can cover both good and bad qualities, qualities that can even alternate between good and bad depending on other factors, and the proponents advocating that one is absolutely good and the other is completely bad are making a more complex picture too simple, very likely just intending to create a bias favorable to their view. Take our current financial status and the significant fault ???conservative??? thinking and the resulting ???conservative??? policies have had in the development of the drastic meltdown. The philosophies of open markets and deregulation always seemed as being ???conservative??? thinking that had real merit yet the current results would seem to indicate quite the opposite is true. That of course would be another over simplification. No doubt the philosophies, in an academic way, really do have merit but in application they obviously need a more pragmatic implementation to include enough regulation, enforcement and real control to check human nature???s propensity for greed and dishonesty, for focus on self-interest and even illegal manipulation, for the realization that ???power corrupts and total power totally corrupts???. Then of course there is the condemning as ???liberal??? the having of any government programs to help the poor, as being a ???tax and spend??? mentality of the Democrats, thus lumping everything together as a negative. Going right along with that is they then advocate that Tax Cuts and breaks for the wealthy and big business stimulates the economy and then ???trickles down??? to everyone else.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/07/2008 12:11:53 PM

      continued from above:


      The reality we have just drastically experienced, after the last eight years of that mentality, has shown clearly and very costly that there is no ???trickle down???. Also while there is value to encouraging people to step up and take care of themselves, to be responsible for their own status, it would be totally naïve to think and completely unreal to propose that there isn???t need for or any conditions requiring help (those that think otherwise very likely minimize the real differences in circumstances and opportunities). And then our economy could really be more accurately described as a ???bubble up??? economy as when you give the poor and middle-class more money, more help, they spend on real needs, to fix the car, pay the bills, buy a new refrigerator, go out to dinner,,, and it does stimulate the whole economy, including providing profits for businesses and the wealthy. And when people progress within the economy, moving upward, it again really stimulates the whole economy. In contrast, when you give more money to those who already spend all they want on whatever they want, you just make the wealthy wealthier (and likely then stimulate campaign contributions). Another reality of some interest is that history tells us that whenever the Democrats have been in power, the country has experienced a better economy. The whole point is that the terms can be used to create an impression that isn???t valid, that they are really used just to manipulate public opinion. We have just come through an election where the people, motivated by dire circumstances, took control, refused to continue accepting the subterfuge and self-serving dishonesty or to be manipulated by scare and smear tactics and instead expressed their desire to have real representation they felt was in their best interests. But now there are some already using the term ???conservative??? to rally support for resistance to any real change and using the term ???liberal??? to condemn any proposed changes. Hopefully the majority of people are now aware and they will recognize these efforts, whether with or without the terms, to reinstate the status quo recently experienced and won???t need to wait for another catastrophe before rejecting those powerful, subtle and self-serving manipulations. If the people can do that, as they have just done, then the politicians, all political parties, will have to abandon their loyalty to Special Interests and the select few and instead give the people more than just the apathy, costs and subterfuge of the past. That is something where the people can really step up, take charge and help themselves.

  • Posted By: skippy69 @ 11/06/2008 5:16:32 PM

    When it all shakes out it came down to the fact that black voters came out in numbers never before, and in all likelyhood never will again, except when Obama runs for a second term. To say that this election did not come down to race is hogwash, it certainly did come down to race, black people going out to vote for a black man. When the numbers are checked people will see that white people split their numbers but black voters were mostly one sided. If the shoes were reversed and the masses came out an voted for McCain on the white vote and the black vote was split, there would be cries of America is a racist country.

    • Posted By: obmination oh boy @ 11/06/2008 7:03:23 PM

      what is funny about the black voters that came out they were uneducated, by the way i being black will support the commander in chief and my country BUT if my race was more educated raised in a strong loving family they would know if it was not for the republicans we would not have the 13 and 14 amendment civil rights and Lincoln fighting to end slavery also Martin Luther King was a strong Republican so if Hillary was running against Powell then he would of had 100% of the black vote including us the 5% that are educated.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/07/2008 10:25:52 AM

        The republican party of today has nothing to so with the republican party of the late 1800s.

        Nice try, though.

        • Posted By: SweetLiberty @ 11/07/2008 10:55:14 AM

          Zigactly! Very succinctly and well put- what the world wouldn't do for some REAL old-fashioned Republicans in place of the Limbaugh entranced zealots who would like half of America burned to the ground...sadly

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/07/2008 11:18:31 AM

            I'd vote for a real conservative (think Ike or Taft). Sadly, they're extinct, at least in government.

    • Posted By: SweetLiberty @ 11/07/2008 10:52:35 AM

      Very enlightening skippy- I suppose Colin Powell was just voting due to race and not because he had a front -row seat to the most disappointing display of leadership in modern history? That's probably why Colin Powell threw his support behind Obama at the last minute as well- because he wasn't thoughtful over the course of the campaign and he just wanted to 'help the black man'? Unlike you skip- the rest of us voted on merit and character- you (and your mentality) may now go the way of the dinosaur...enjoy your petrification (By the way I was a white delegate for Obama in Texas)...........(B^D>

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/06/2008 5:32:23 PM

      Also keep in mind that the black voters had a reason to come oout in numbers like never before.

      Not because Obama is black, but because of what he was offering compared to what they had experienced under Bush

      • Posted By: SexiGelRox @ 11/06/2008 7:08:20 PM

        Except they've always had a reason to come out. Because they wanted something different. Bush did run for a second term and if people didn't like him they could have not voted for him. There's always been different sides of things, and to say that Obama's race was not the reason they all came out to vote is ludicris. They came out to vote not because of his policies they came out b/c of the color of his skin, it's as simple as that. Maybe some decided to research the issues before voting, but had it just been another white democrat they wouldn't have even cared!

      • Posted By: pam905 @ 11/06/2008 6:10:01 PM

        Sometimes people only see what they want to see, maybe you only see that black people voted for President Obama, when the truth is that 68% of americans voted for him. Unless black people represent 68% of Americans, in which case we would no longer be a minority but the majority I would say that you need to realize that whether you are excited or disappointed the majority of Americans wanted him to represent them because of the poor job that has been done in the past. Please hold your opinion until he has a chance. Up until this time if you remember correctly black people have been underrepresented in all aspects of Government so please take a moment to think about what you say before you say it. I think it is time that the playing field becomes equal. Where we are not divided because my skin is brown and yours is pale we are all human beings and none is superior the sooner we realize that the better off we will be. Divided we fall not just one but all. 11/4/08 was a GREAT DAY FOR AMERICA. Be proud that you live in a country this great where dreams really can become a reality!!!

  • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/06/2008 2:17:28 PM

    Why are so many Christians against abortion (I am too), but are not against war?
    Isn't all killing condemed by your beliefs?

    • Posted By: SweetLiberty @ 11/07/2008 11:06:14 AM

      Honestly it's because Christians aren't as opposed to abortion as they are to Democratic or Liberal leadership. If they really detested abortion outside of a childish or simplistic way then Christians should support whatever methods deter or diminish abortions, but they clearly don't because they are fooled/misled into believing the sacred lie repeated endlessly by the powers behind Fox News. That lie= "Republicans are God fearing everyone else hates Christ" It's very sick but obviously effective whereas 2 dimensional minds are concerned...

    • Posted By: tyger44 @ 11/06/2008 2:26:15 PM

      I'm in the military...I hate war...but I hate people killing relentlessly, those who can't defend themselves (i.e. KURDS, Afgan women, Iraqi women, people in Bosnians, etc.) So I will defend those people...and kill those who wish to take the lives of others. THAT's why I fight!!! I don't want to go over there anymore...but I'll go 10 more times so my son/daughter doesn't have to in 10 years (which is what will happen if we pull out now). S Hussein killed over 75K of his own country people...women, children, and men...and we did nothing. Ask yourself how many times we were attacked, whether here or abroad, by terrorists under Pres Clinton (6)...no ask yourself how many times under pres Bush (1).

      • Posted By: SexiGelRox @ 11/06/2008 2:51:08 PM

        Thank you for that comment!!! That is a point that I've been trying to get people to realize ever since they comments of the US being in Iraq isn't right! My brother is over there, and he doesn't want to kill, but if it means his potential children in the future aren't scared to live in this country, he'll do it! And people need to understand that Clinton was too busy getting BJ's in the oval office to worry about the terrorist attacks that were occurring!

        • Posted By: Vivi @ 11/06/2008 7:27:06 PM

          for the record, sexyjello or whatever: When Bush took office he was given those documents and he wrote "not on my watch" in the margin. He was shortly after given the report of Bin Laden's plans to attack our landmarks using our airplanes.... why did he do nothing? Why keep reading that children's book? Why report the first plane to hit the towers was a small personal plane instead of warning the people still boarding domestic flights that there were hijackings? All the bells had to be going off... he either endangered Americans by concealing the danger OR that memo he decorated with bold statements and the one which had predicted what was happening weren't important enough to remember (but they made great post-its?) I don't know why you keep talking about Clinton getting fellatio or what it actually has to do with 9/11, but the bottom line is that the towers fell on Bush's watch, after all.

        • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/06/2008 3:01:57 PM

          Weren't WMDs the reason for invading Iraq?
          That is why France and Canada were bashed for not joining in after they both felt there just wasn't enough evidence to support Bush's claim that the WMD's even existed.

          When none were found, did any of the bashers agree that Canada, France and th eUN were actually right? I wonder if an apology should have been in order?

          • Posted By: SexiGelRox @ 11/06/2008 4:15:01 PM

            Actually they found barrels that had smallpox residue in them! Let me infect you with smallpox and see what happens, and you tell me it can't be used in biological warefare! And in all seriousness Sadaam was not following UN rules, and if he wasn't following one rule why would we assume he was following the others? I firmly believe that Sadaam was trying to create WMD whether or not we found them! That bastard was sick!

            • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/06/2008 4:28:51 PM

              "Actually they found barrels that had smallpox residue in them!"

              No, they didn't. There are precisely 3 samples of smallpox left in the world. One in the USA, one in Britain, and one in Russia.

              Stop making things up. It's pathetic.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/06/2008 2:55:29 PM

          What does Iraq have to do with this country?

      • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/06/2008 2:52:52 PM

        But how many will be attacked because of the Bush administration.

        One example: When a wedding party is wiped out, how many brothers & sisters, ftahers, mothers, sons daughters suffered?


        Any relatives of people killed there (or many of the other innocent casualties of this war) are going to be prime target for terror groups. They will always remember that their loved ones were killed by American soldiers.


        I wish I knew the answers because I don't know of a way to end the violence. But man kind has been trying for thousands of years, and war doesn't end violence. We've lost more lives to war and violence since the "war to end all wars" than were lost in all wars before it combined.


        A little off topic, I know but I just wish at some point the sacrafices would pay off.

  • Posted By: 55TreeFrogs @ 11/07/2008 9:22:48 AM

    Tan Boon Tee,
    These "rules" what they really are are simple clichés that pessimisctic folk use as the word of God. They are not true. Stop being so pessimistic and negative.
    Bad thoughts bring bad things.

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