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  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/06/2008 11:27:01 PM

    Economics 101 , conditions must be implemented to allow for investment , consumption and profit.

    In other words , you raise taxes...you fail Economics 101 , you lend all monies to high risk...you fail Economics 101 you maintain waste with no ROI ...you fail Economics 101 you create too much beaucracy that stifles business activity ...you fail Economics 101. Follow my free expert advice and the USA's economy will start to revive. Trust me.

    • Posted By: HeresHoping @ 11/06/2008 11:32:39 PM

      So school me, please. If taxes are lowered for 95% of the population, do we still fail Economics 101?

      • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/07/2008 12:41:05 AM

        Yes ...because the people that create the jobs are already planning to reduce production or move their operations elsewhere to avoid the pending increase in capital gains taxes from your current 15% to about 20% to 30%.
        The government should leave the rates the way they are and focus on maintaining the asset value of homes not in foreclosure and rescue the homes that are in foreclosure using part of that $750 Billion bailout thats out there. People that have lost or are in danger of losing their home are fearful and are anxious. Restore stability in these people's lives first to restore psychological confidence and also to basically keep them safe physically because they'll have a roof over their head. First priority is to restore the housing condition prior to the mortgage crash. These other big corporations and banks doomed for failure or have failed can be handled concurrently with the housing solution on a case by case basis. The monies handed to the private sector must have conditions attached to it so that cash actually starts to flow in the system. The problem the Congress created was handing out billions to some institutions without essentially controlling the money to be used as intended....this has to be stopped now. So with the general population feeling good and reassured they will keep their homes and with the money pumped into the private corporate and finance sector "properly" will at least stabilize the situation because uncertainty will be taken out of the equation. Get uncertainty out of the situation as soon as possible will signal the markets that risk is mitigated and the basic economic principle of supply and demand will gradually start to settle in. This is how to get out of the jam in a rather quick but fiscally sound method.
        Obama has to show and speak with optimism to signal markets around the world the crisis is mitigated..he must not agitate it with any negative rhetoric. The situation is tenueous but this is the only way out instead of this panic driven through away billions of dollars all over the place and hope for the best.
        This behaviour will surely put the USA in a tailspin. So in short, restore the housing market first, people will start feeling better psychologically and private corporate and financial institutions should receive monies only a case by case basis with the condition the money will be used to restore the supply and demand principle and not simply hide all the money and keep it for themselves and the shareholders.
        This is how you will get some reprieve and I could say this to Obama personally I would. I believe if the US doesn't follow this process then things will get worse. One more thing. Everyone, whether its a congressman , senator , Wall St. trader , CEO , bank president...all of them that played a part in this collapse should be taken to task and jailed. If Obama does this, then you have the right President.

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 11/07/2008 10:42:14 AM

          "because the people that create the jobs are already planning to reduce production or move their operations elsewhere to avoid the pending increase in capital gains taxes from your current 15% to about 20% to 30%. "
          A baseless assumption. Rates are still lower than they were under Reagan.

          • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/07/2008 12:31:55 PM

            You don't get it. Capital gains are said to be increased...don't worry about Reagan and the past..Reagan is dead ....besides Reagan lowered rates on capital gains whereas now the Dems want to reverse that
            economic progress....think about it..you will be higher than Reagan....thats the Dems platform...I'm in business...I know what I'm talking about. The basic principle is to establish stability and confidence in the economy , in other words you must build from a " foundation ". Without a strong foundation you are screwed. The USA right now has a very leaky foundation. You have to fix the foundation first. Now, Obama must be advised to do this if he has any decent help around him or else you're in deep doodoo.
            Canada is the envy of the G7 right now based on what I just described. The country gained 9,500 jobs last month and the IMF forecasts a just under 1% GDP growth in Canada for 2009. Canada is the only country in the G7 thats escaping the current recession but just barely. With the upcoming G20 meeting of nations regarding these economic times, Canada will have a strong voice and a lot of influence on the actions to take to correct the global economic crisis.

            • Posted By: HeresHoping @ 11/08/2008 12:44:22 PM

              But capital gains taxes do not apply to "production" or "operations".

              • Posted By: jckst @ 11/12/2008 10:50:14 PM

                No? You don't think so? Well, you didn't listen to Obama's plan well, did you? He is planning to tax the hell out of them, if they produce more than $250, 000.00 a year profit in "operations" or "productions" profits. And, let's face it, every company today is diversified and has operations and productions facilities of their own, so it's all in house in a lot of cases. They will be taxed heavier. Bet on it.

  • Posted By: sobbingcubbie1908 @ 11/06/2008 12:31:25 PM

    First, I like that you assume that I am a Republican. Second, didn't vote for Bush. Lastly, I am not against social services, I am against the abuse of the system that creates "victims" and distracts true dedicated professionals, like yourself, from helping the helpless, rather than those who refuse to help themselves. These "trends" have exsisted for decades. Our current system creates a victim mentality. It dosen't matter who is president, it is time that people take responsibility for themselves, and quit blaming the successful (rich). Oh, and I caution you to think really hard before assuming that I am a "racist", given your earlier assumptions.

    • Posted By: Solange82200 @ 11/06/2008 12:42:46 PM

      I'm a Democrat Obama supporter and I too agree there is a problem with the welfare system. I find it absurd that a woman who can't afford her first child can continue to pop out children and still get money for it. It appears that many people consider that their career or way of life, having kids to get not only the welfare check but the child support. Although I have no problem with the tax cuts on the wealthy running out, I would hope that money is put into our infrastructure or economy, as opposed to a little rebate check to families. I'm a single mom who makes only 37,000 a year, and even I don't see how a 500 dollar check is going to improve my standard of living. What is that, one car payment? Just wanted to point that out, because it bothers me that Republicans think that all Obama supporters want to punish the rich and sit on our butts and get free money. I hope some of you believe me when I say that's not the case.

      • Posted By: jckst @ 11/12/2008 10:43:12 PM

        While I don't pretend to know what you're talking about when you say $500.00, I assume you to be incorrectly speaking about McCain's proposal of sending each family that wants it $5000.00 to apply towards an INSURANCE policy--not to help your standard of living except by giving you the option of better health insurance. Why would you make a car payment with your health insurance money? And, if you can't afford a car payment, sell the car and buy a junker.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/09/2008 7:25:46 AM

    No one is making the rich poorer, the economic pain is simply moving up.
    This economy has always been based on consumers, and we see 28%of America now below the poverty level. So where are the consumers? well they are right there in the unemployed and the 28% and they can no longer be considered consumers.
    You cannot run a business with a negative cash flow and you cannot run a country with a negative cash flow; yet Bush tried just as Nixon and Reagan tried before him and set the stage for the current chaos.
    There will be no sustained economic recovery until manufacturing of salable products or services that will create income to the US occurs.
    The cash outlay can be decreased by not buying Chinese junk or going to electric cars and reducing the oil bought from the middle east, but that is just more cutting back not progress.
    It will be interesting to see just what happens on the world stage when the income the middle east and China has learned to expect stops; unlike the rich in this country I think they will do more than just whine. I doubt it will be pretty or welcome.

    • Posted By: jckst @ 11/12/2008 10:27:52 PM

      Well give this man a cigar!!! Exactly what WILL THE CHINESE DO??? They have the ball in their court right now, and they know it. Will they call their loans to us immediately? If so, how will we pay them off? Or, will the Chinese consider the lack of Americans spending an act of war on their own economy and declare war on us? They (Chinese) KNOW they have the largest Army and the second best armed Army in the world, so they KNOW they can take us. If we go nuclear, that's the end of the world.

      So, just what will the Chinese do?

    • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/09/2008 10:53:58 PM

      The consumer is hurting because of our culture, once again not from government policy. People have to have now and spend way more than they save, plain and simple. Borrow, borrow, borrow. What about some self-discipline and accountabilty? If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Don't borrow money against a depreciating asset. Simple common sense rules that would not have put the conumer in the position they are in.

      • Posted By: jckst @ 11/12/2008 10:14:07 PM

        Well, someone should have told President Clinton that, as he TRUSTED banks and investment firms to "DO THE RIGHT THING," and not blow their cush money. The Steagall banking Act that Clinton did away with is a HUGE culprit for our current woes. Had Clinton NOT done away with it, I personally believe we would still be an international economy to reckon with. However, taking jobs from Americans and giving them to the Chinese is also a culprit of our current woes--another Clinton mistake.
        So, blame the consumer all you want, the bottom line is that the government started this slide, the banks abused it, and the consumer finished it.

  • Posted By: jckst @ 11/12/2008 10:21:26 PM

    Let's all educated people get serious for a minute: a DEMOCRATIC president started this economic downturn--oh who am I kidding, by the time it's all said and done, it's a full-blown depression--and a Republican president gets the blame for it. The Democrat's--knowing FULL WELL that they started this mess, blame the sitting president for it and win the presidency again. Now, a Democrat will try to straighten out another, different Democratic President's mess. And when the American people are tired of all the broken promises and lies, they will put another Republican President in power to straighten out this mess--if we live that long-remember, the year 2012 is when the Mayan calendar predicts the world will end due to war. The Bible code predicts the same thing. The Bible code actually predicts a precursor to the end of the world through war in 2008--and I believe that to be electing Obama as president. With his lack of experience and lack of leadership skills, he will be like a baby at a poker table full of grown men. Say goodbye to your freedoms and indeed, say goodbye to life, if the Bible code is to be believed and if the Mayan calendar is to be believed, and if Nostradamus is to be believed.
    I guess the only question we have to ask ourselves, is, can Obama overcome his lack of substance to save us from this fate?

  • Posted By: roadee @ 11/11/2008 11:41:49 AM

    For all you economics 101ers...It seems to me every time we raise the minimum wage we go in the hole. When we raise the wage for the bottom rung of the ladder the next rung gets a raise and on and on to the top of the ladder. The products then have to go up to accommodate all the wage encreases. The company that owns and sells all products are still going to make the same money as befor so all of this is then passed on to the consumer (the minimum wage earner), thus a lager amount of the wage earners monthly income goes to buy these products making us all poorer rather than richer??????

  • Posted By: over250 @ 11/11/2008 11:19:44 AM

    I really like your essay especially

    By and large, the poor aren't poor because the rich are rich. They're usually poor for their own reasons: family breakdown, low skills, destructive personal habits and plain bad luck.

    Maybe instead of taxing the rich we should just instead pay executives more by cutting the pay of the people that seem to support their meaningless high level of pay through low taxes instead. Then we would all be better off.

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 11/10/2008 8:03:06 PM

    Excellent article,based on common sense & values.

    Many comments are OK.

    However,1 big mistake.

    U try to talk reason to irrational people.

    Socialism & its bastard child, (re) distributionism is an irrational faith.

    A cult of hate against the rich,the profits,the money.

    Raising the taxes on the 250K + will bring almost no revenue.

    But it is a symbolic act for the faithful...

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/05/2008 11:22:17 PM

    George Soros finally got what he wanted! I have a feeling that his influence is going to extend well beyond the campaign stage. Everybody was touting what a great campaign Obama was running. But he wasn't running it. It was running him. With enough money you can buy anything. You can buy extreme order. George Soros is going to continue coddling Obama through his presidency to make him look good. He will likely be in contact with foreign leaders, buying their cooperation and easing their fears.

    The Democratic take over of congress was probably engineered long in advance. This also makes Obama's job easier and insulates him from the tough issues that presidents have to deal with in terms of senate battles between Republicans and Democrats. George Soros likely bought Obama an Army of advisors to answer any and all questions. Remember, Soros is the financial genious that made his money off of the securities markets. He may have even had a hand in crashing the stock market to favor the Democrats just before the election.

    There is no way that the most unqualified presidential candidate in history got to where he did without such massive help. Some have speculated that after Obama won the Presidency, the media would turn on him and the honeymoon would be over. But there is a broader agenda. Soros is buying up all of these newspapers that are endorsing Obama which is an attempt at a Socialist, propaganda state. He will likely retain his control over the large media networks as well. What is the price Obama pays for having his ego stoked? An agenda that makes George Soros the grand puppet master of planet Earth!

    • Posted By: neos @ 11/05/2008 11:51:58 PM

      You must have missed Rush today. He wants all his little 'dittoheads' to stop what they are doing and leave immediately for Mexico. You are to meet up with him in Vera Cruz by Friday to start a hate commune. If you leave right now, you should be able to make it. Bon Voyage!

      • Posted By: jduncan3321 @ 11/10/2008 6:08:08 PM

        They're taking over the hate commune that the Dems vacated after they got their way on election day. Give it a few years and they'll be swapping back.

      • Posted By: YashBudini @ 11/06/2008 1:11:37 PM

        And the sooner the better.

      • Posted By: Solange82200 @ 11/06/2008 12:31:46 PM

        LOL, that was the best comment of the day, by far!

    • Posted By: YashBudini @ 11/06/2008 1:11:09 PM

      If you look at 2004 the most qualified candidate was W, and look at what a fiasco that decision turned out to be. The funniest thing repubs playing thequalifications game is that in 2000 W was no better equipped for the job than the new people, that didn't stop them from voting for the village idiot anyway.

      By the way some of us are a little tired of handing over $5000 per second to Hallburton. We're sick of that massive corporate welfare. Get it? That's been the biggest inside job in the history of this country, have the CEO control W's strings while he hides in the undisclosed location. What a sham repiblicans are to the entire philosophy of being conservatives.

      • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/07/2008 11:26:46 PM

        Obama's election is a perfect example of the decay of our nation. Anyone can get whatever they want whether they are qualified for it or not. And Obama is the Commander in chief representing undeserved handouts. From Acorn, to welfare to affirmative action to god knows what else. This is the culture of no responsibility. It used to be that Americans could take pride in their achievements because they knew that they honestly earned them. Even George Bush as bad a president as he was had put more time into politics than Obama. He was the Governor of a state. Obama's whole life has been about "political expediency" ! Never mind working your way through the ranks and proving yourself with a track record. That seems to belong to American's past.

  • Posted By: jduncan3321 @ 11/10/2008 5:49:18 PM

    Hey Robert, don't forget you work for Newsweek. You keep telling the truth and you're liable to get yourself fired.

  • Posted By: repudar71 @ 11/09/2008 1:41:42 PM

    I don't want to just save the economy. Its more important to save the country and keep it out of insolvency and bankruptcy.

    • Posted By: roadee @ 11/10/2008 12:39:40 PM

      repudar71, Amen. I believe that is our (or should be) number one issue. So what do we do about it? I can assure you that sitting here on our computers airing our grievances will not solve any problems. While it does give us some form of relief, by making us think we are actually doing something, it really does not do anything.
      Maybe someone more capable than me can figure out a way for people to get together where we can make a difference? We have a lot of problems that need solving and it has become apparent that for some reason our government isn't doing anything about it or are doing things that cost money but do nothing.
      I'm thinking we need to get enough people together to equall a "special interest" group. The silent majority is NOT being heard. And PLEASE lets not ridicule anyone for their input, just because someone has an idea you may oppose does not mean their idea is worthless. We cannot solve one problem by creating another, therefor all solutions need to work together for a whole, rather than against each other.

  • Posted By: AZ Cards @ 11/10/2008 11:58:07 AM

    Read two books by David Cay Johnson
    Free Lunch and Perfectly Legal
    If you think the rich are rich because they work hard, check out the details these two books provide on our Income Tax breaks.

  • Posted By: AZ Cards @ 11/10/2008 11:55:38 AM

    This morning we're hearing of another huge loan bailout for AIG added with the other two ones already done-deals for them.
    Government bailouts for the super rich...
    These are the same clowns who had the "spa"treatment holiday paid for by taxpayers, and then the "fox hunting" trip in England after that!

    All this largesse was sponsored and paid for under the direction of Bush Administration, his Sec. of the Treasury, Paulsen, and rest of those foxes in charge of the hen-house!

    Dems did go along under threats that the entire economy was going to collapse if they didn't.

    But don't let the Republicans forget that THEY DID IT...
    Under a Republican Administration's watch!

    US Government bailed out and are now buying-into banks, and this monster-sized Insurance Company.

    Recall, they were against SOCIALISM ?
    That's what McCain/Palin ranted against??? Accused Obama of being a SOCIALIST ????

    This is the form of SOCIALISM that Republicans want to enjoy...
    "Free Enterprise" for their profits.
    SOCIALISM for their losses.

  • Posted By: cshadday @ 11/05/2008 3:38:02 PM

    yep morgan, your the group that voted Obama in.............He believes in the Robin Hood theory. Per 'joe the plumber' share the wealth. ..Just like Newsweek to actually put this out the day after the election.

    • Posted By: HinderedHindsight @ 11/05/2008 3:58:36 PM

      What are you accusing Morgan of? Keep in mind 51-52% of the nation voted Obama in, and Obama won by 4 million votes. So the "group" of people that voted Obama in is essentially the majority of America.

      So I'm a little confused about what you're trying to say? Are you saying the majority of America is bad because they voted Obama in?

      • Posted By: Generic Person @ 11/06/2008 1:19:27 AM

        Actually, that is not true. The people who voted for Sen. McCain combined with the arguably more intelligent voters (that is, the people who did not vote), the majority of America did not vote Sen. Obama into office.

        • Posted By: MissAshley314 @ 11/06/2008 3:39:22 AM

          and how do you know that the people who didn't vote didn't want obama in the office? and if those people were more intelligent they would have excersised their right to vote and get the person that wanted to be president into the office, but there is no way to prove that the individuals that didn't vote didn't want obama in office.

          • Posted By: Solange82200 @ 11/06/2008 12:58:44 PM

            You think someone who didn't vote is "intelligent"? Good god, the fact that even a quarter of this country is as ignorant as it is, is scary to me. Scary I tell you

            • Posted By: Generic Person @ 11/07/2008 12:22:04 AM

              Well I suppose I could point out the flaw of correlating a single thing (say voting) with something like wise decision making, but I would much rather defend my point of view.

              I said that non-voters were arguably more intelligent, of course it would be stupid to think non-voters were by default more intelligent (see above), that is why I said arguably.

              Here is the argument, every four years we are provided with a decision to vote for two candidates. Your job is to pick the one who would better run the country. Sounds great right?

              Well every four years each Candidate will say whatever it takes to get into office. Men (and women) of alleged integrity tell lies and half truths about the other candidates in droves. Each candidate is portrayed as corrupt, irresponsible, and ignorant. Do not believe me? Check out Factcheck.org.

              Getting clear information on a candidates platforms requires effort, some seek impartial evidence, but most find themselves listening to over bias radicals caught up in psychological factionalism.

              Others decide to get the information from the candidates themselves, and what do they find? Excessive pandering. Politicians promise to absolve all of the problems you are facing, each claiming to change your life into a perfect Utopia, but not only that, they promise to do it without increasing taxes or cutting government benefits.

              Some voters begin to view their own candidate as a Godsend and the opposition as some kind of corrupt or ignorant abomination who will somehow burn the nation to the ground with his polices.

              Those voters who are not radicals and seek to make an educated decision find themselves left between what they believe to be the lesser of two evils.

              What disturbs me is that people put up with this crap Holy crap I just found my Core 4 essay (argument paper). Where was I? Oh right. What disturbs me is that people just go along with the process.

              Make a statement, vote third party.

              • Posted By: roadee @ 11/10/2008 11:48:32 AM

                Generic Person, Here's a thought instead of a third party, maybe we need to form a common sense approach. I voted third party once and wasted my vote, ok, maybe a protest vote, however the result was the same and didn't even come close to solving the problem. So, my new thought is, if we can get enough people together to equall a "special interest", come together with our ideas then get either a democrat ,replublican or independent to sign on and I do mean sign, we then support that particular candidate for that particular position. We first need to get people together, then come up with a platform. We identify the most important problems, come up with solutions, using the best minds available on that subject. All things must work together instead of against each other.

      • Posted By: HinderedHindsight @ 11/05/2008 4:08:05 PM

        Actually, the last president that was voted in by a "group" was Bush- I say that because he lost the popular vote. Bush managed to win a majority of electoral votes, but lost the popular vote, making him the one voted in by a "group" rather than a majority.

        Meanwhile, Obama was voted in by a clear majority which HAD to include Republicans.

        • Posted By: YashBudini @ 11/05/2008 10:11:54 PM

          You assume all the Diebold machines were being honest and factual in 2004, when the CEO himself is a neocon.

      • Posted By: Oaktown Charlie @ 11/05/2008 4:09:21 PM

        I think what he is saying when you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul does not object.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/08/2008 8:51:09 AM

    As far as judgement calls go, one thing is clear about tinkle down economics, making the rich richer did made everyone else poorer, and we have plenty of empirical data as proof.

    • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/09/2008 10:47:49 PM

      do you know why the rich get richer? If you think it is because of government policy you are an absolute moron. The rich get richer because of risk and leverage. They have more to take risk with and can absorb what does not work easier. They have strategic management plans for their money. If you play hand of blackjack and bet $5 or $100 and win, which pays out more? People like Warren Buffet supported Obama becuase it does not matter how much you tax them, they will always be rich. Someone making $100k, $200k or $250k is not neccessarily rich and the point is drawing a line in the sand is rediculous.

  • Posted By: tc125231 @ 11/05/2008 9:00:48 PM

    This is a stupid premise. What I am absolutely sure of is that the middle class shouldn't be payer a higher percentage of their income as taxes than the super wealthy. As Warren B uffer has ponted out many times is that the middle class IS paying out a higher effective percentage of income than the wealthy.

    If one didn't know that samuelson makes his living by obfuscating these matters --to the benefit of the wealthy --one would be tempted to believe he can't do arithmetic.

    • Posted By: Generic Person @ 11/06/2008 1:38:27 AM

      Such a 'fact' would dismember the entire argument and probably convince me to disagree with Mr. Samuelson, but you would have to elaborate far more than 'effectively' and cite more references and facts than 'Warren B uffer' (whoever that is).

      I am not convinced that the Middle Class pays more taxes than the Rich, although my history teacher did say that via tax evasion the taxation was about the same, however, to the best of my knowledge tax evasion usually takes the form of charity, so would we really want to take away that incentive?

      • Posted By: tc125231 @ 11/09/2008 11:04:50 AM

        Generic. You seem to be lazy as well as uninformed, since a simple Google would have brought up many references.

        Typical.

        One such reference is below.

        Regards.

        "Warren Buffett says he does not pay enough in taxes:

        Warren E. Buffett was his usual folksy self Tuesday night at a fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as he slammed a system that allows the very rich to pay taxes at a lower rate than the middle class.

        Buffett cited himself, the third-richest person in the world, as an example. Last year, Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent."
        http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/06/mr-buffetts-tax-bill.html

  • Posted By: marc.lemaitre @ 11/08/2008 7:43:34 PM

    I can't accept the conclusion that: They're usually poor for their own reasons: family breakdown, low skills, destructive personal habits and plain bad luck. If this may be true for some, it is not always true. believe that the system as it works now is exacerbating inequalities and it is more and more difficult for the middle-class to maintain it's living level. The system seems to be organized right now to suck money from the majority to the pockets of a minority. And your statement is just adding insult to the injury. Taxing the rich will not solve ALL the problems for sure, but a tax system should be fair anyway and when rich billionaires are paying less % than people making less than $50K a year, this is just revolting.

  • Posted By: Dolmance @ 11/07/2008 8:27:11 PM

    Just one percent of the population controls 40 percent of the wealth in America. That one percent should be paying 40 percent of income taxes. And there's nothing radical about that concept, unless you're a Republican.

    • Posted By: winkc1066 @ 11/07/2008 11:26:09 PM

      According to the IRS, in 2006, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 39.9 percent of all federal individual income taxes and earned 22.1 percent of adjusted gross income... I';d say that's more than a 1 to 1 ratio. So they should be get a tax cut right?

      • Posted By: HeresHoping @ 11/08/2008 2:19:17 PM

        So what % of the total income tax collected would the top 1% of the population pay, if their top tax rate is raised by 4% under Obama's plan?

        • Posted By: 2gofer @ 11/08/2008 6:53:13 PM

          HeresHoping, Winkc1066 has provided us with enough data to approximate a answer to your question. The top 1% would have their overall tax burden increase nearly by the ratio of 39/35 or 1.114 since taxes paid on the initial $250 thousand are such a small portion of the total they earn. According to Obama's web site the total personal income tax burden on the country is to remain neutral with the increase on those earning above $250 thousand being redistributed to those earning less by way of tax credits. Thus, the total tax base does not change while the top 1% would have their tax burden go up by the factor of 1.114. Applying this factor to the 39.9% number that Winkc1066 provided brings the percentage of the total up to 44.45%.

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/08/2008 6:47:55 PM

    November 5th, 2008 SP Editor Posted in American News | 159 Comments »

    Anything can happen in America???

    You can literally be ANYBODY and win an election, something that I bet a lot of lazy (and criminally inclined) children will be happy to learn. From now on, experience, knowledge, intelligence, character, associations, intentions, substance, and demeanor will be irrelevant, if you are fortunate enough to belong to an ethnic minority that the Media wishes to promote and that enough European Americans can feel guilty for.

    In this first (and probably not last) AFFIRMATIVE ACTION election, we have discovered that if you promise enough nonsense to those who are desperate for a handout, you can be victorious. We have discovered that when you allow the spread of ignorance, entitlement, and irresponsibility throughout an entire population, you can reach very high (note to self when selling any product!).

    Yesterday was the beginning of the end for the United States of America. We are only left to see what we can create from the ashes of this entire mess. WE will have to get ready for the tornado that is about to hit us, and be ready to take over from the mindless hordes that now dominate our land.

    Will many of these same ???AmeriCONS???, as I will now call them, ever learn?

    Yesterday, people elected a clone of Mr. 2000 and 2004. An unprepared empty suit of a man, whom we shall forever call the Affirmative Action Bush (AA Bush for short).

    What will be our next step?

  • Posted By: 2gofer @ 11/08/2008 1:59:03 PM

    HeresHoping; who are you commenting to and what is your point? Capital gains are applied to investors. Increasing capital gain tax rates discourages investment. Reduced investment reduces ability to provide employment. Perhaps you are "hoping" that a tax burden can be imposed and maintained in isolation. It doesn't work that way. There is always a reaction to a action just as in Physics. Ultimately, the consumer winds up paying the bill.
    I'm not sure how capital gains came into the discussion. Corporate tax rate on that ugly word profit is subject to a 4% increase in Obama's proposal. This may appear to be a relatively small impact, but it is in the wrong direction for enabling increased employment. McCain's proposal would have reduced corporate tax rate by 10% yielding a 14% differential tax rate burden between the two proposals. The potential impact on employment is major, but articulation to a voting public beseiged with emotional terms such as "trickle down", "profit", "loopholes" and "rich" is quite futile.

    Hopefully, I haven't insulted your intelligence. If so, I apologize, and remain hopeful that lthis note may be of some help. Sameulson, Walter Williams, the "concerned Canadian" and myself appear to have studied the same "Economics 101". I must say that the elemental theories have held valid during my 40 years in industry. Needless to say, there are other theories. I'll leave defense of those theories to their proponents.

  • Posted By: Morganski11 @ 11/05/2008 2:41:37 PM

    I deffinantly think that making the rich poorer makes the poor richer. If the rich are paying my taxes and covering the cost of things, then I don't have to pay them. This means I can save my check and pay for the other things I need. So, in reality, taking money from the rich does help me get richer.

    • Posted By: Jaray24 @ 11/05/2008 2:44:29 PM

      If you're taking your money that you aren't paying on taxes, because the rich is paying it, and you are spending it on other things. How does that make you richer? You still spending the money.

      • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/05/2008 3:51:58 PM

        Yeah a massive problem is the poor doesn't know how to save or invest, they spend spend spend.

        • Posted By: Floretta @ 11/06/2008 10:57:17 AM

          Yeah they spend, spend, spen - on food, utilities and rent. No bling here, Jack.

          • Posted By: indymd @ 11/08/2008 7:31:53 AM

            I would not give them that much credit. I am a physician. Patients living on government programs or who make no effort to contribute to their medical bills are finding plenty for cigarettes, alcohol, manicures, cell phones, etc.

    • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/05/2008 3:36:19 PM

      You might be saving your money, but there are pleny of lower income families out there that waste it on expensive clothes, IPOD, X-boX etc. They want to by all this stuff, but can't afford the bills.

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