The Gitmo Dilemma

Kill 'em how? Gas chambers, perhaps? I mean, if you're going to extra-judicially murder people, why not go whole hog?

Are you really so sure that Muslims did 911? I mean there are enough explosive experts that disagree with the official story. There are dozens if not hundreds of experts, that say the WTC buildings, including building 7, were brought down with explosives. Building 7 was not even hit by airliners. It was the first steel structure building in the history of the world to collapse from a small fire. I am not going to speculate, but I think this alone needs a real investigation. There have been steel structure builkdings that have endured massive fires for over 24 hours, and did not collapse. 1 puny fire and the whole thing collapses? Taking out all the files on the Enron investigation with it as well??? It needs to be looked at.



Posted By: Brutus82 @ 11/07/2008 5:22:45 PM

Comment: I agree...just kill them.We gotta stop wasting time with these muslim extremists.Obama hopefully will waste less time with them than Bush,who for all his tough talk...was soft on muslims.He let Bin Laden live very comforrtably these last few years.

What POWs?

Practice what you preach.

I don't agree with all your wording, but I think you are right in a basic sense.


Comment: This is a really stupid view!
1) Give all of the prisoners a choice of where to go including the US for those who will not be charged. Why would we care what happens to them after release?
2) We certainly have plenty of Federal prisons to hold prisoners awaiting trial; we don't need anyones approval or a military stockade.
3) Easy, if they can't be convicted, re;lease than as in 1 above. Are we a country of law or just hypocrits?
4) Either we do this legally or we don't do it at all! It is the US "Cowboy" actions that are causing the problem! This is clearly an international legal problem to be handled by international courts if possible; otherwise, it is purely a police process, not one for the military. Using the military has been the problem all along!!

These questions were never so simple to thinking people. Its a dilemma. But surely more care should have been taken. When you imprison innocent people, do you not create potential terrorists?



Posted By: Bri777 @ 11/07/2008 1:48:39 PM

Comment: Why won't Obama close Gitmo. I love it how these questions are no longer so simple to Newsweek after the election. My prediction. Gitmo will remain open through Obama's term.

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If that's the case, he will have lost my vote in 2012.

Dude, would it be justice if even one of those given the option of sure death was innocent? Thats the basis of the American legal system. I have no problem punishing the guilty, but lets just make sure that the are actually guilty before punishment. Thats the real delema of Gitmo. Theres no real justice system. When the battle happens in your home town, and you are captures by US forces, it does not nessiarily mean you are a terrorist. Maybe it just means you are opposed to your home town of Jerrico Kansas being invaded by the Irianian government.


osted By: whened @ 11/07/2008 1:58:53 PM

Comment: "The detention center at Guantanamo Bay and the flawed justice system created to try terrorist suspects ". This is the problem with the media. Who says the system is flawed? Is that a fact or an opinion? Sounds to me like it is Katie's opinion.

Let's take them all to the top of the Empire State Building, surround them with fire then give them the choice of being burned alive or jumping to thier death. That would be justice.

No, that would be extra-judicial murder.

Martin Bormann would have been proud of you.

Sounds good to me.

Listen Toadboy, I understand that Bush did a lot to keep us safe. But much of what Bush did amounted to performing a surgical proceedure with an axe. My father, a died in the wool democrat, and patriotic American, who's family came to America hundreds of years ago in the very beginning of this nation, likes to write articles for Law Enforcement Magazine. My dad a biochemist, understands the threat of biological weapons. He writes articles for Law Enforcement Magazine to help educate those in Law Enforcement. My dad is an America loving good guy. Well, his FBI contact has told him, that because of his research into this area, he has been placed on a government "Watch List" along with terrorist suspects, and Ted Kennedy. His FBI Agent was not suspossed to tell him of this, but the agent knows damn well my dad is no terrorist, and warned him to be cmore careful in his choice of research sitesd he goes to. What a joke. You try to do some good, and the Busg Administration brands you as a terrorist. Geez, my dad is WHITE, not ARAB. Stupid is as stupid does. End of story.




Posted By: ToadBoy @ 11/07/2008 3:37:25 PM

Comment: Bush did an outstanding job post 9/11. Homeland protections were established. Laws to enable tracking of the terrorists were passed.The enemy was pursued on all fronts. We are safer today because of it. I pray that Obama can perform half as well. Guatanamo was one of the ways Bush protected us. Obama and others thought Guantanamo was a problem. He now has the responsibility to come up with an alternative system that will continue to keep us safe, or tell us that he was wrong. Expecting him to put action to his words is not unreasonable. Reminding him of that is the right thing to do.

"Bush did an outstanding job post 9/11. Homeland protections were established. Laws to enable tracking of the terrorists were passed.The enemy was pursued on all fronts."

But never caught. Shame, that.

"We are safer today because of it."

How?

"I pray that Obama can perform half as well. Guatanamo was one of the ways Bush protected us."

By making us an international pariah?

The reason Bush failed to punish some of these so called terrorists, Was because evidence of their wrongdoing was scant. Many of these so called terrorists were "caught on the battlefield." That sounds convincing enough to the distant American listener. But truth be told, it does no good to punish an innocent man. Many of these detainees, but not all, were captured in towns where these people lived. Towns were where these people lived, and simply being there , on the battelfield did not necessiarliry make you a terorist. But they were captured just the same. Just being there, in the town where you live, does not constitute evidence of terrorist wrongdoing. Thsats the problem with Gitmo. These oeople need criminal trials. In US court.


Posted By: Brutus82 @ 11/07/2008 5:24:18 PM

Comment: Just kill these muslim terrorists.
Obama will be much,much smarter than softie Bush on this.Bush talked a good game,but failed to punish any muslims for wehat they did and wasted millions of dollars.

Well. That didn't take long to find out. The California Correctional Peace Officers Union [prison guards] is Californias largest. Dispensing largesse in its powerful political contributions capacity,it has managed to draw itself in with and ally alongside every single last one of the Democrat legislators I mentioned in my latest post along with one Democrat they are backing for the 2010 state gubentatorial race...Jerry Brown. While they also fling dough at the Republicans to a vastly smaller degree:[Pete Wilsons 425,000 to Democrat Gray Davis'2 million],they know which way the political winds are blowing and are putting their dough down on the pack of hypocrites who wailed over Bushs ''injustices'' at GTMO.

The New York Times. Nov.07,2008:''Californias Prison Disaster''

The Contra Costa Times June 30,2008:''Jerry Browns 2010 Campaign Raises Serious Cash''[w/CCPOA contributions chart].