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  • Posted By: Sourono @ 12/04/2008 10:48:34 AM

    Your article is disappointing. People were fan's of President Bush's style when he came into office claiming to be a "uniter,not a divider". If something seems to good to be true it probably is. Your giddy enthusiasm is hightly troubling.

    A "national culture of flag-pin shallowness" hollow words sir. There has been a reason for each movement made by the Bush administartion. You may not like the reasoning, but if you think ever decision is going to be pretty you live in a fantasy world. To attack anyone , especially people who have made it to the top of the government, is disingenuous. You Sir should know better.

  • Posted By: dadcel @ 12/01/2008 3:07:48 PM

    Thank you. Thank you for this observation. I thought I was the only one who cringed when President Bush gave a speech. It was an assault on the English language and made me feel as if I was wrong to expect more from my president. I am grateful for this change and for the respect that will once again be give to this great country.

  • Posted By: 2178743 @ 12/01/2008 1:05:54 PM

    I guess that makes liberals anti-life.

    http://www.usefulopinions.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: Clint2727 @ 11/07/2008 4:41:05 PM

    It's called Selective Sanctity of Life, these are the same people to try to save babies from abortion by killing doctors. I just don't get it.

    • Posted By: spiveyjt @ 11/07/2008 5:06:22 PM

      Ah, more intellectualism. You might be surprised that the vast majority of pro-life supporters don't condone murdering abortionists, but let's consider the notion that being truly pro-life demands pacifism. If Person A is hurting, or killing Person B, and your pacifism leads you to look on and do nothing, you are as guilty as Person A for doing nothing about it. To stop Person A might require you to hurt Person A. That is justifiable, not selective.

      • Posted By: tara52722 @ 11/26/2008 12:16:54 PM

        You're talking about people in your analogy. However, abortion doesn't involve two people, but a person and a fetus. You can't possibly classify a fetus as a person for a number of reasons. Just because something has the potential of becoming life does not make it living. If I am a male, my sperm has the potential to become life with the right circumstances. So, if I ejaculate without creating a baby, did I just cdommit murder? I think not. You cannot use your philosophy because your philosophy requires there to be to human persons involved.

      • Posted By: Clint2727 @ 11/07/2008 5:17:50 PM

        I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you support capital punishment. Am I getting warm?

        • Posted By: spiveyjt @ 11/07/2008 5:29:46 PM

          Yes, very warm. I tend to place so much value in the life of the innocent (the one murdered), that the only proportional punishment is execution. A dozen years in prison just doesn't seem to fit that crime. Protect the innocent, punish the guilty. No contradiction.

          • Posted By: Clint2727 @ 11/07/2008 5:36:02 PM

            How can someone be both pro-life and pro-death penalty? It doesn't wash. I don't see you standing up for the innocent men and women on death row, or the people that have been executed and then found to be innocent. Just looking for some consistency.

            • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/07/2008 10:56:58 PM

              Agreed. As the bumper sticker goes (hopefully I am close): "Why do we kill people who kill people to teach people killing is wrong?"

      • Posted By: bluebloodedLV @ 11/07/2008 5:14:39 PM

        Great rationalization. Achieving peace through violence is OK? You might be surprised to know that there is no such thing as pro-abortion and that most pro-choice people actually abhor the thought of abortion. Killing for peace, or hurting to stop someone from hurting someone else is like screwing for virginity. Cliche but true. It's like telling your children not to hit others and then hitting them for doing it.

        • Posted By: spiveyjt @ 11/07/2008 5:21:26 PM

          So the only morally responsible thing to do in the event that one is watching an assault take place is to attempt to reason with the assailant? The act of stopping the assailant is not stooping to the level of the assailant. It???s rising to the level of sacrifice for the assaulted. I???m not talking about violence as a punitive action. I???m talking about violence to immediately protect the innocent.
          Also, I???m not talking about killing abortionists. I should have included a carriage return in that previous comment.

          • Posted By: bluebloodedLV @ 11/07/2008 5:43:19 PM

            The world is not as black and white as that, but you stated it was "justifiable" to hurt someone who is hurting someone else. As a parent my first reactionary response it to agree when I think of my own child or family for that matter. Self defense is one thing. I do truly believe that evil happens when good men do nothing. If you're walking down the street and see someone being attacked, then of course you should do something (most people actually won't but that's another topic). That's one scenario. You cannot apply that same practice to someone who has made the unfortunate decision to have an abortion (or their doctor) without violating the constitutional right to privacy.

  • Posted By: ok4u @ 11/25/2008 7:37:09 PM

    Ever notice how those who imagine themselves intellectual are always talking about "anti-intellectualism"? Now these self proclaimed "intellectuals" are so giddy that we have a "leader who values nuance and careful thought." And what is this careful thinker doing so far? Reinstalling the Clinton Administration. Wow, what nuance! What change!

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/08/2008 12:26:44 AM

    Chris Matthews shows his true colors. Talk about an ongoing free pass!:
    Matthews: "I Want To Do Everything I Can To Make This...New Presidency Work"

    matthews_11-6b.jpgChris Matthews appeared on MSNBC's Morning Joe this morning to discuss Rahm Emanuel's decision to announce he has not yet accepted President-Elect Barack Obama's offer for White House Chief of Staff and other Obama-related stories.

    But after some questioning by co-host Joe Scarborough, Matthews said, "I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work."

    "Your job as a journalist is to make this presidency work?" asked Scarborough.

    Scarborough, co-host Mika Brzezinski and guest Richard Stengel continued the conversation about a journalist's role with Matthews throughout the interview. Stengel described the "constitutional responsibility" of journalists to "hold his feet to the fire."

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/08/2008 11:34:19 AM


      "Krohn": If you're as objective as you imply, then we will see you sharing with us your disdain for the truly shocking (E.g: Terrorist fist bump?) offal Fox "News" broadcasts. Until then, you have no moral authority.

      This is just an extension of your ongoing theme that the liberal press stole the election. It is fantasy of the right. It is offensive to us moderates who voted for Obama, including long term republicans like me. We were not duped.

      You will be a part of a shrinking party until you folks focus on the failures of the republican administration, including it???s choice to consider extremists as ???the base.???


      • Posted By: Krohn @ 11/08/2008 6:47:27 PM

        NO, it was George Soros' money that stole the election. The media along with other strategic weapons used by the Dems was only paid for by Soros!

        • Posted By: Lola Getz @ 11/24/2008 9:45:19 AM

          Prove it. Oh, wait, you can't.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 5:17:23 PM

          Boo hoo hoo!

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 11/08/2008 1:33:08 PM

      Chris Matthews made that comment in declining to participate is Joe Scarborough's very odd rant on how the Obama Administration was getting otf to an "amaturish" start because Rahm Emanuel said he wanted to discuss the Chief of Staff position with his wife before formally accepting. I have no idea what burr got under Joe's skin about this, but Chris wanted no part in trash-talking petty made-up issues with him. That was the context. I can't imagine for a moment that if Matthews questioned a genuine policy decision made by the Obama Administrtion he would not bring his full hardball style to getting to the bottom of it. But I think there are many in the news media, along with legions of viewers and listeners, who are fed up with mock horror and indignation over drivel. This is what Chris Matthews declined to participate in on that broadcast and I, for one, say GOOD FOR HIM!.

  • Posted By: brotherbock @ 11/08/2008 1:25:39 PM

    Does anyone railing against Obama for being pro-choice want to (have the ability to) do any of the following:

    1) Demonstrate with evidence or reasonable argument that a fetus is in fact enough of a human being to be deserving of rights in the first place. It is *not* a 'baby'. It's a fetus. Do fetuses have rights? Do not just assume that they do. Please provide an argument. THEN we can talk about abortion. Don't force your assumptions down my throat. (Here's a tough one to explain: a fetus, at six weeks old, can still split into monozygotic twins...so, was there ONE SOUL in the fetus before it split, or only two? Would aborting that fetus before the split have 'killed' two human beings, or only one? Makes more sense to me to say that it's not a fully fledged human yet...What's the pro-life response?)

    2) Explain how one can be 'pro-life' and want to save innocent fetuses from death that they have no choice about, and also be in favor of a war that is killing innocent civilians who also have no choice in the matter. For that matter, explain how you can be pro-'fetus life' and not pro-'soldier life'. Are fetuses MORE valuable than soldiers because they are younger? If so, can you lay out for me a graph of relative values of life for different human beings?


    THIS above nonsense spouted by so many people who have supported Bush over the years is exactly what this article is talking about: anti-intellectualism and incuriosity. People who not only aren't able to but do not want to stop and question their own beliefs. Why would you want to question your own beliefs? To make sure you're RIGHT. Anti-intellectualists don't even understand the benefits of that.

    The problem is that this is a classic story: people who are not intelligent simply refuse to see, or cannot see, the benefit of being intelligent. And I am not talking raw IQ power here. McClellan said that Bush is 'plenty intelligent'. What that means is that he is clever enough to put together a campaign. He is not emotionally intelligent, he is not introspectivelly intelligent. In so many ways, Bush is downright stupid.

    And, frankly, he is in the most part defended as being intelligent by people who are also unintelligent, and to unintelligent to realize that they are not intelligent..

    • Posted By: Lola Getz @ 11/24/2008 9:39:13 AM

      I've used that twins argument before - it always gets the deer in the headlights look in response from whoever I'm arguing with, followed by a lot of sputtering. Something the anti-choice people don't have an answer for yet. I'm not holding my breath either...

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 11/08/2008 5:40:03 PM


      I'll go a step further. The main suggestion I hear from anti-abortion advocates is that the woman should carry to term and give the baby up for adoption. Now, I know many conservative couples, and they are good and decent people, very dear to me, but NONE of them have ever adopted a child, ever. Ironically, the McCains were one example but they were mauled by the Rove machine in 2000 because, well, the baby was dark-skinned. I guess that doesn't count.

      I'll disagree on one point brotherbock; I think Bush is very emotionally intelligent, which means he knows how to engage and deal with people. His problem is that while knowing how to campaign (and I have to give it to him - he does) he doesn't know a thing about governing and celebrates his own lack of curiosity. But even he, even Bush, knew that to win he needed a team of people more intelligent than he was. McCain didn't.

  • Posted By: John Makkormak @ 11/09/2008 5:34:59 PM

    The writer has a curious view of "intellectualism": logic, reasoning, and studiousness; prudence and pragmatism; not caring about what's "left" and "right". It certainly would be nice to see reasoning and logic restored to primacy in pubic debate over our emoting society, but reasoning is not the same thing as intellectualism. The other qualities the writer cites - pragmatism and indifference to ideology - are actually symptomatic of anti-intellectualism

    To me, this article reads like the all too familiar - and I'd say intellectually lazy - critique of conservatism based on caricaturing Bush and "hating" Bushies. The sneering and spitting at Bush, Palin, et al is a sound and fury signifying the emptiness of Bush's Democratic opposition. It strikes me as odd that Bush's critics over the past 8 years have never thought that perhaps his victories have been more a reflection of their weakness than anything else.

    The smug complacency - "Bush can't put a sentence together" - of the liberal critics has a strong anti-democratic streak running through it, which takes the form of dismissing as idiotic and beyond the pale any objection to the world view of enlightened regulators: from global warming to the Paulson bail out plan, the smug view is that the rabble not on board for the "right" policy is hickish and ignorant and therefore not to be taken seriously.

    Intellectualism means taking your opponents seriously, based on the view that the only way to win an argument and progress is by having the argument and basing your positions on proof and logic rather than just asserting that Bushies are idiots. Intellectualism also, by the way, has nothing to do with pragmatism. Quite the contrary: intellectualism has always been a tool for looking over the horizon, away from the pragmatic and everyday.

    • Posted By: Lola Getz @ 11/24/2008 9:29:47 AM

      It's difficult to have an intelligent argument with people who find the concepts of "proof and logic" completely incomprehensible. These are the same folks who believe Obama was born in Kenya when the evidence clearly shows otherwise. No, wait, it was Indonesia! No, wrong again, his father was Malcolm X! These are the opponents to be taken seriously? Really?

      BTW, it's possible to look over the hrizon and still be pragmatic.

    • Posted By: ThoughtThinker @ 11/09/2008 11:56:17 PM

      I tried talking to several McCain supporters throughout the campaign for the general election and without exception they were comepletely misinformed both about the facts of the past 8 years as well as the stated policies of both presidential candidates. They were also almost completely ignorant of the basic princciples of economics and international law. How can someone who starts with false assumptions and can't apply simple logic to argument ever even hope to reach a valid conclusion.

  • Posted By: jlgab @ 11/10/2008 2:33:19 AM

    If McCain didn't want negative publicity, then HE should NOT have been negative towards Obama first, old John created his own negative publicity. Because McCain considered changing parties after Bush and Fallwell degraded him and Cindy so bad in 2000, I was shocked and disappointed when McCain became so brutally negative towards Obama, I mean didn't McCain learn ANYTHING about dirty politics?

    • Posted By: Lola Getz @ 11/24/2008 9:20:53 AM

      Amen to that, especially about the Cindy part. I live in England now and one day last year I was watching BBC news and McCain was on being interviewd (he was over in the UK at the time). The BBC interviewer asked him about all the shenanigans pulled by Karl Rove in the 2000 campaign primary season - the South Carolina push poll that brought up Cindy's drug addiction and accused McCain of fathering an illegitimate black child. McCain got that ***-eating grin he gets when he's put on the spot and said something about "moving on" and "letting bygones be bygones." He did NOT, however, defend either his wife or his daughter. I turned to my husband and told him that if he ever humiliated me in that way, I'd leave him. I don't understand Cindy McCain.


  • Posted By: ctruskey @ 11/10/2008 2:49:44 AM

    I believe Obama is Kenyan American and what every his white half ancestry is. Calling him African American isn't true. My wife doesn't like to call herself Native American since she knows she is Black Feet and Sioux . With Welsh and Finish too, so calling her white doesn't fit either. Maybe she could be called 25% since that's about the percentage of each blood she is made up of. But being called American is just fine with her. I'm 75% German and 25% Polsih but I don't go around being called Euro-American since that's not truen I know my ancestry. So maybe can label the new president if you must label him at 50%.

    • Posted By: Lola Getz @ 11/24/2008 9:12:52 AM

      I wish people would stop labelling Obama as anything. You'll notice that he doesn't talk about color himself.

  • Posted By: miamilawfrommichigan @ 11/10/2008 4:39:37 PM

    I am so glad that you wrote this Mr. Hirsh. Your analysis is made even more poignant by the fact that you have a typo in the fourth paragraph (extra comma, oops, forgot to spellcheck).

    Your article exemplifies the exact type of thinking that reminds me, a moderate Republican, of why I remain a Republican despite my party's recent failures at both governing and campaigning. I love the arrogance of liberal "intellectuals" who feel that any leaders exhibiting a different view of the world or different style of problem solving from their own are stupid, backwards and anti-intellectual. Liberals clearly dominate all of the IQ tests and the millions of voters who supported Senator McCain, Sarah Palin and even those forgotten millions who voted for President Bush over the years, were clearly knuckle-dragging Neanderthals. All of the hard-working conservatives who actually serve our country in various government positions (such as myself), who genuinely want to make this a better nation for everyone (participating in the process as opposed to smugly sitting in front of a laptop playing Monday morning quarterback), have been simply killing time until the smart kids returned from recess.

    Mr. Hirsh, I implore you, please maintain this attitude going forward. If the GOP can ever get itself re-organized and refocused on issues that truly matter to this country, and I know that this is a sizable IF, but if we do, your attitude will only provide a rallying cry. People across the nation will have a hard time swallowing your notion that liberal Democrats are the only ones smart enough to lead this great country (obviously, since they told us so).

    • Posted By: kitoslo9 @ 11/11/2008 11:26:39 PM

      I am a registered Independent and proud Obama supporter. While, I have never underestimated conservatives to the point of believing in their intellectual inferiority as a group, I don't understand why conservatives seem to celebrate anti-intellectualism. So many conservatives seem to revere ignorance, even in their leaders, just out of spite.

      • Posted By: Lola Getz @ 11/24/2008 9:07:08 AM

        Kind of reminds me of China under Mao, when intellectuals were despised and stripped of their jobs to go work in the fields. Having a population that doesn't spend a lot of time on intellectual pursuits makes 'em easier to control, don't you think?

  • Posted By: Lola Getz @ 11/24/2008 9:00:48 AM

    "Yahooism and jingoism and junk science about global warming and shabby legal reasoning about torture are out. The national culture of flag-pin shallowness that guided our foreign policy is gone with the wind."

    Don't hold your breath. The dimwits aren't going anywhere. What's changed is that maybe now intelligent people will stop feeling like there's something wrong with having a functioning brain. Being smart has nothing to do with elitism or patriotism and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

  • Posted By: justanothervet @ 11/23/2008 12:05:56 PM

    I hope this Obama turns out to be another John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, or even Martin Luther King.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/23/2008 3:21:51 PM

      Nice. You lost, so now you're hoping for an assassination.

      Why do you hate the democratic process?

  • Posted By: AshamedofYou @ 11/19/2008 11:08:14 PM

    Disgusting drivel my misinformed writer.

  • Posted By: biffnlefty @ 11/15/2008 1:49:16 AM

    Yes! Yes! Yes!. The Empire of Rome will return. Alexander the Great will be great once again. The moon will be in the 7th house and Jupiter will align with Mars. Oh yes! Peace will guide the planets and love will counquer all. Folks the age of Aquarius is here. The great one has arrived and we are so blessed. Pro-create everyone, The media knows best. Let us all place our brains to the side and listen to the "real people in the know." Hey folks (yeah you in the media; you got a bachelors in journalism. I don't believe that included astrophysics or omnicience 101. This includes one named Michael Hirsh.) Keep living in your fantasy world of "intellect," buddy. Blah! Blah! Blah!

  • Posted By: mousey @ 11/14/2008 10:57:35 PM

    This article resonates. Hillary Clinton and John McCain campaigned on their abundant experience and Barack Obama's lack of experience. But, for a guy with so little experience, Barack kicked some serious butt. No drama Obama made it easier to see how some of our most experienced folks can come off like clowns and the country saw them for what they were and refused to be manipulated again. In the end, it is all about us and how we collectively express what we stand for through the people we choose to lead us. This time we collectively chose to kick in our intellect overuling our emotions that we knew were being cleverly manipulated.

  • Posted By: marven @ 11/14/2008 10:21:47 PM

    You gotta be kidding! Voting on basis of colour , and the abortion-loving crowd voting on the basis of the candidates record, is all super anti-intellectual, and devoid of common sense.
    The best that we can hope for now is that he does not do damage from which the U.S. will never recover.

  • Posted By: marinofish @ 11/14/2008 9:35:40 PM

    AB1977 Ah yes, the response I expected. Aint about being black my friend, its about what America is and where I think its going. You idiots always using the race thing--the 'intellectual' response I guess, to deflect everything. So, I guess if I dont agree with the President elect then I am racist to you and your ilk. Thats fine, I could care less. My point (which you so predictably can not understand) is that Hussein Obama is no more of an intellect than anyone else running for an office-and the media knows this too. Yet, they have propped him up to this position of some sort of saviour. Its laughable. Can you name ONE thing that he has accomplished? Can you tell me anything specific about his 'plans' Let me help you out-- there is no answer. You nor Mr. Hirsh can tell you NOTHING about him. No one ever asked him and he never stated. All you know are generic 'Im gonna fix this' mantra which were uttered so eloquently over and over. Lastly, to you AB1977, could you please comment on the Pres elect s home territory? The stats are just below in a previous post. Why dont you look them up to insure the accuracy and get back to us with your wisdom. Either that or go back and put your head under the sand and say over and over change, change, change........

  • Posted By: skeetchamp @ 11/14/2008 8:45:33 PM

    Even if he does make some mistakes, we will at least be able to believe he considered all the possible options before choosing a course of action. That moron Bush and his cadre entered the White House with the notion of invading Iraq. Note the use of the word "notion" because we all know they did not have a plan. George's first mission was to undo anything Clinton did, regardless the consequence. Had the White House been on fire on the morning of the inauguration and Clinton's last order was to call in the firefighters, then Bush's first act would have been to have the Secret Service rush the firefighters out and pour some gasoline.

  • Posted By: marinofish @ 11/14/2008 7:50:01 PM

    Let me also point out the record of our 'intellectual' leader. Chicago stats --state pension 44 billion in debt (worst in the country) cook county sales tax 10.25% (;highest in country) school system--right at the bottom of the country. The intellects running Chicago --ALL Democrats Senators Hussein Obama and Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr, Governor Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty General Lisa Madigan (mikes daughter), Mayor Richard Daley. Also in the last 6 months 292 murdered---in Iraq 221 killed. Should America consider pulling out of Chicago. These are all the FACTS, although I do know that the facts do not matter one bit to any of you. Really now.

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