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  • Posted By: marinofish @ 11/14/2008 7:29:35 PM

    Disgraceful--You are only preaching to your choir. Obama is a glorified Al Sharpton (my local 'community organizer') The over the top faux fawning of this guy is not only overly and obviously transparent, but sad. The thing that really made America stand out from other countries was our information flow. Other countries had propaganda and unfortunately, so now do we. Enough already-this guy Hussein (I will call Obama by his middle name just as you have refferred to Bush by his for 8 years) is no intellect.- certainly not in the ballpark of a Bush. We are all not lemmings of the left. If this garbage keeps up, I would expect some sort of revolution.

  • Posted By: marinofish @ 11/14/2008 7:28:44 PM

    Disgraceful--You are only preaching to your choir. Obama is a glorified Al Sharpton (my local 'community organizer') The over the top faux fawning of this guy is not only overly and obviously transparent, but sad. The thing that really made America stand out from other countries was our information flow. Other countries had propaganda and unfortunately, so now do we. Enough already-this guy Hussein (I will call Obama by his middle name just as you have refferred to Bush by his for 8 years) is no intellect.- certainly not in the ballpark of a Bush. We are all not lemmings of the left. If this garbage keeps up, I would expect some sort of revolution.

  • Posted By: nonoyd @ 11/14/2008 7:02:15 PM

    finally, an end to those empty W eyes.

  • Posted By: roadee @ 11/11/2008 4:21:14 PM

    I voted McCain, however we now have Obama, he is our president. My biggest concern is that he will try to overcorrect everything. He appears to be a very intelligent person, however he might be lacking (as so many intellects are) in the common sense department. Sorry folks but from day one he reminded me of the con artist telling the widow how she needed to "invest" her late husbands life insurance with him. Say what you need to to get the job done weather you mean it or not. That is the reason I did not vote for him, I hope those of you that voted for him are right.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/12/2008 8:40:46 AM

      "My biggest concern is that he will try to overcorrect everything. "

      That would be almost impossible.

      • Posted By: roadee @ 11/13/2008 10:38:41 AM

        It's the "almost" that is a little concering. But I do like your style, short.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/11/2008 5:17:48 PM



      "roadee": Thanks for being gracious. Not all intellectuals lack common sense. Obama's capacity to negotiate all the obfuscation and obstacles directed at him by Hillary and then the R machine indicate his capacity understand the details without getting lost or confused. His books are indicative as well. My expectation is that he is a consumate pragmatist. We can only watch at this point, and do what we can to help the goverment discharge its responsibilities.

  • Posted By: Punkin101 @ 11/11/2008 8:24:39 AM

    I can't believe you.
    If we don't think or feel the way you do we have no brains?
    You really need to reevaluate your own IQ.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/12/2008 8:41:39 AM

      That isn't what he said.

  • Posted By: JayMM @ 11/07/2008 1:19:17 PM

    I certainly hope this author feels better after such an emotional rant. I suspect he includes himself among the intelligencia he seems to suggest were so oppressed.

    However, I believe his bitterness and resentment are misplaced as he has clearly misinterpreted the situation as a lack of intellectualism. When in fact, the Bush regime and, more to the point, the Neo-conservative movement were full of extremely "intelligent" and sophisticated thinkers. These thinkers managed to hijack Governement and brainwash a Congress, a people and Country. Not unlike Nazi era fascism, this level of mass manipulation is no small task and should not be misconstrued as ignorance or unintelligent. To this end, it appears that this author is complaining more about his disagreement with the Neo-con value chain and decision making process than a true lack of intellectual thought.

    Obviously, the Administration and the Neo-con decisions came with significant negative consequences. Of course, their decisions and actions provided many significant outcomes that many appreciate. For example, the petroleum and war industries must truly appreciate the Bush/Neo-con agenda. Thus, we could describe the author as a naive intellectual, in that he fails to recognize that the Bush/Neo-con movement may not have pursued the same goals that the author "assumes" any Administration should naturally pursue. To this end, how can we know for sure that the Bush/Neo-con/Fascist Administration didnt successfully accomplish its primary goals? How do we know for sure, what Obama and socialist movement will actually do?

    Never trust Government. Not even an "intellectual" and altruistic government.

    For the record, I voted for Obama.

    • Posted By: kitoslo9 @ 11/12/2008 1:41:35 AM

      Is the subtext of your post that Hirsh and those who think like him underestimate conservatives at their own peril?

      In his defense, I would offer that Hirsh's article is intentionally celebratory and cathartic in content and tone and would be a poorly suited vehicle for the cautionary tale that an analysis of anti-intellectualism as stratagem in the conservative party would manifest. Not that we don't need to hear that tale post haste. The evil genius of the conservative elite in harnessing that ultimate weapon of mass destruction (i.e. ignorance) to motivate and mobilize their constituency is often ignored, overlooked, or worse yet, misconstrued. Notwithstanding that this time, that weapon was countered and deflected back upon its wielders.

      But grant us a few more days in the sun..the rain will come soon enough.

  • Posted By: InformedCitizen @ 11/12/2008 12:23:10 AM

    I couldn't agree more Mr. Hirsch. Well said!

  • Posted By: zaksgrandma @ 11/11/2008 3:57:12 PM

    yes it is refreshing and re-ensuring that well planned thought and carefully gudied thinking will lead our nation to its bright new future. leaders who serve the people and not the big business. as a republican who has supported Obama from the start I am at rest now knowing that he will do what is best for all americans.here in texas where the gop has held this state for so long I can only hope that the future for my party will be one that works with Democrats and not fight a losing battle. the american people have spoken and as americans we must unite behind our President. the gop has to know that the world is watching and the american people are watching and their future depends on their cooperation with our President Elecet Obama.

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/11/2008 3:15:42 AM

    Nothing here? Just like newsweak - crawl in a hole.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/11/2008 3:18:28 PM



      Great idea! Want us to let you know when it's safe to come out?

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/11/2008 2:38:55 AM

    Well, you are in charge now. Doesn't matter what I think.

    • Posted By: nallen72 @ 11/11/2008 11:43:14 AM

      You are part of this country too. Your kind of hatred is what contributes to the division in our country ariziowa!! Knock it off....grow up and stop sulking cause your guy didn't win.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/11/2008 11:36:00 AM



      Finally got one right there, ariziowa

    • Posted By: PRELUDE1 @ 11/11/2008 6:37:18 AM

      YOU SIR SUFFER FROM INDOCILITY!

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/11/2008 11:34:34 AM



        Good word, indocility...

  • Posted By: tippology1 @ 11/10/2008 7:11:36 AM

    I sincerely hope the person who wrote this article be force to choke on his own words and find misery at his door......

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 12:50:31 PM

      It looks like misery is visiting you.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 12:55:10 PM



        Gee Pia, how else is someone to feel when someone else suggests that intellectualism is a good thing?

        • Posted By: tippology1 @ 11/11/2008 6:30:07 AM

          40 yrear old virgin i suppose.......get a new name please or stop telling us your background

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/11/2008 10:16:30 AM

            You just proved to us all with this comment, who/what you are. Nothing.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 7:31:21 PM

          40YearR, did I say something wrong?.

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 8:29:04 PM



            Hi Pia, Of course not. I was trying to make a joke, but I'm too vague sometimes. "tip" wanted him to find misery for writing an article in favor of intellectualism. You correctly pointed out that 'tip' obviously is already visited by mysery. My joke was the irony that intellectualism should make everyone miserable. Never was a very good jokester... I enjoy your posts. :-)

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 9:33:48 PM

              Hello 40YearR- Thanks for your reply. I understand now.....today was not my day. Btw, you seem to familiar to me, are you a new poster or a regular with a new screen name?

              • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/11/2008 12:48:26 AM



                Hi Pia, Brand new. Like some, dislike some, can't figure some out, and can't be bothered with others...

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/11/2008 10:14:19 AM

                  Ditto.

                  A pleasure to meet you..welcome onboard....we need you.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 9:39:03 PM

                PS 40YearR- I think you are a pretty good jokester!

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 8:31:30 PM



            P.S. You missed all the fun Doc and I had today with a couple goofballs at the Muslim voter article.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 9:36:09 PM

              I'm sure I did.....darn, I wasn't invited! Actually, I haven't visited that article yet..will do now. I enjoy all your posts too and have been meaning to say so but never got around to it.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 5:11:31 PM

          It isn't a good thing?

      • Posted By: tippology1 @ 11/11/2008 6:28:56 AM

        Again you are the worse worse worse blogger I have ever notice. By the sounds of it I can tell you are in your own little (snowy) world of never never land. Wake the hell up please and move on with life.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/11/2008 10:13:05 AM

          I can't be the worse blogger..you got the award for that. I lead a wonderful life.....you need to get one. Sore loser.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 5:12:04 PM

      A little bitter, are we?

    • Posted By: kshortSD @ 11/10/2008 12:20:50 PM

      Geez, what's your problem? Would you rather have a dummy for president? AGAIN?

  • Posted By: maliles @ 11/11/2008 4:09:54 AM

    ???The world we see that seems so insane is the result of a belief system that is not working. To perceive the world differently, we must be willing to change our belief system, let the past slip away, expand our sense of now, and dissolve the fear in our minds.???~William James

    Those of you who wish to understand how Obama thinks, ready William James Pragmatism and The Meaning of Truth. When I went to college this was required reading in philosophy class. I have found that Obama thinks a lot like William James, who happens to be one of my favorite authors.

    Here is one more thing to think about:
    "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." ~Soren Kierkegaard

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/10/2008 3:55:41 AM

    Well, buzzyboy - I am an independent registered voter, Seems as if the Democrats played the "race & fear card".

    • Posted By: buzzboyd @ 11/10/2008 10:46:46 PM

      Good luck with that train wreck of thought.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/11/2008 12:52:21 AM



        Spot on. Going to have to pay attention to buzz.

  • Posted By: bronzee @ 11/10/2008 12:23:51 PM

    As a christian, I don't believe that God is separate from anything. I do not agree that Barack Obama has separated "church from state." I don't believe that you have to shelve your heart in order to use your brain--God created both. I believe that we will see in Obama the ability to use his brain, while he draws strength through his heart, a noble example for us all.

    Let's not forget that christians and religious people are as much of a part of this culture as anyone else. We voted and have the right to vote. We contribute and should contribute. I am hoping that the lesson we learned about racial ignorance gets learned for spiritual ignorance as well. We can all get along if we try.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 5:10:44 PM

      I am more than willing to get along with my religious countrymen.

      So long, of course, as they don't try to tell me how to run my life.

      • Posted By: buzzboyd @ 11/10/2008 10:44:33 PM

        Amen... Let each to their own.

  • Posted By: sawdustking @ 11/07/2008 11:18:25 PM

    ...and who is that's trampling on the constitution, the Republicans or the Democrat's who want to take free speech off the radio and take away your right to a secret ballot in the workplace?

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/08/2008 9:30:32 AM

      I'd say it's the president who thinks the constitution is "just a ****ing piece of paper".

      Fortunately, he will be gone in 73 days.

      • Posted By: sawdustking @ 11/08/2008 8:38:20 PM

        Scathing retort there, but your time would be better spent googling the "Card Check Bill" and the "Fairness Act"

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 5:18:12 PM

          When did the Fairness Act pass?

          Oh, yeah, it didn't. It didn't even have support from most dems.

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/10/2008 1:37:28 AM

    Hey, I am just a dumbshit from Iowa. I certainly am more intelligent than the little kids, and most of the blacks that voted for Obama! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Change, Change, Change, oh and Save the World why you're at at it.

  • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/07/2008 3:38:52 PM

    Mr. Obama may be a qualified public speaker and 'spin doctor,' but when he justifies killing innocent babies in a misguided attempt at preserving so-called choice, I must question his logical thinking. No amount of pragmatic thinking on other, lesser, topics can eclipse such a foundational intellectual error.

    On the other hand, Mr. Bush wasn't a gifted speaker, but at least he made policy to protect the most innocent among us - unborn children.

    • Posted By: Antson @ 11/07/2008 3:42:48 PM

      Whether a Republican or a Democratic President/Congress, the overturning of Roe V/s Wade is something you will never see in your lifetime. That it even still comes up in political discussions boggles the mind.

      • Posted By: Abots22 @ 11/07/2008 4:04:13 PM

        Maybe so, but the new liberal gov't of this country will be PUSHING the "Freedom of Choice Act", which will effectively nullify hundreds of state laws that limit abortion in some way, including the 24-hour waiting period, ban on third-trimester abortion, and parental consent. This is the extreme pro-abortion view of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If they push this act through, they effectively loose the right to call themselves pro-choice.

        • Posted By: anthrograd @ 11/08/2008 12:44:36 AM

          Actually, i think that's the definition of choice - you as a pregnant woman - can decide if you want to continue a pregnancy or not. But in reality - if you would look up his policies from somewhere that wasn't slanted bias...Obama is actually against partial birth abortion. As long as there are caveats for women with emergency medical issues, he is for keeping the ban.

          On the flip side - if you want to get rid of abortion, everyone needs to be ready to pay higher taxes - which you should be ok with - because these women who weren't ready to have children now are going to have to support them and will most likely struggle and need help from the govt. And you can't complain about this anymore - they kept the baby, so you should be happy - but women who have babies before they are financially secure statistically make less money than women who didn't give birth. So more money will need to go to social services - job training, daycare, foodstamps, etc. And if you argue that they should just give them up for adoption - then you need to accept that you will be paying more in taxes for social services to provide more housing for orphans, social workers, and pay for foster parents. And there are less people to adopt and foster, as the gay community is being shut out. So...you will need to step up and take these children in...

          • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/10/2008 3:02:56 PM

            I will happily increase my taxes to support the most vulnerable in this world. There is no reason to perpetuate government other than to ensure the common good. It is truly a sad commentary of the condition of our country that people would rather kill children than pay higher taxes. Its just sad.

            Further, the argument fizzles out as it is taken to its logical end. Does killing over 2500 babies each day increase or decrease the tax base? Fiscally speaking, these people will pay for themselves throughout their life.

      • Posted By: the-commish @ 11/08/2008 7:27:02 PM

        EXACTLY! If it were settled... no more wedge anymore to knock the evangelicals over the head with.

        I am catholic. This is a non-issue, since it will never be changed.

        • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/10/2008 2:26:10 PM

          You should get in touch with your Catholic faith. We may never give up in our effort to protect life at all stages. Here is an excerpt from an article posted on the USCCB website (www.usccb.org):

          "While at times human law may not fully articulate the moral imperative ??? full protection for the right to life ??? our legal system can and must be continually reformed so that it will increasingly fulfill its proper task of protecting the weak and preserving the right to life of every human being, born and unborn."

          http://www.usccb.org/prolife/tdocs/popebquotes2008.shtml

      • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/07/2008 4:32:06 PM

        It comes up in political discussion because it is an objective evil to kill innocent people. Frankly, the most dangerous risk is for the topic of abortion to NOT come up in discussion any longer.

        • Posted By: Hannah B @ 11/07/2008 5:43:06 PM

          You just REFUSE to GET IT, don't you. NO ONE is making anyone else get an abortion; and NO ONE has the right to take my right to GET one away from ME. THE BOTTOM LINE: no one can or should decide the rights for another!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/10/2008 2:10:01 PM

            You are correct, "no one can or should decide the rights for another." That is exactly why we shouldn't decide unborn children do not have rights and kill them.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 11/07/2008 4:35:02 PM

      One more time. Nobody but nobody thinks killing babies is a good idea. Where do you get such ideas? It's like it gets stuck in your head and just can't get it out. I am a pretty liberal democrat and never would I justify abortion except in a extreme case. Even then, the idea is horrific. Just don't go taking choices away from people; the same as you wouldn't want your choices taken from you. You have ONE and only one topic. I see that it's important to you. Please stop making such general statements.

      • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/10/2008 2:16:29 PM

        I don't want to take choices away from anyone. In fact, I want to award choice to everyone...EVEN THOSE IN THE WOMB. Who has the authority to make the so-called choice to end their life?

        I am proud to have one topic to discuss. As soon as you can show me another topic that kills over 2500 innocent people per day, I'll take that one on too.

        Further, do you think people accused abolitionists of being one issue people? It is certainly appropriate to be a one issue voter when the one issue is as significant as abortion.

      • Posted By: gsmith58 @ 11/07/2008 6:00:34 PM

        I guess the innocent children in Iraq don't count. Oh, that's right they're not of the same religious faith as you.

        • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/10/2008 2:13:16 PM

          Uhh, this is a classic red herring argument. Every life is precious. However, the carnage of abortion is greater than any other issue...over 2,500 dead every day.

          Also, where did religion come into the argument? For all you know, I am muslim.

  • Posted By: lexicon77 @ 11/07/2008 4:25:15 PM

    I agree!! I am so relieved that finally we chose a leader who has earned his way there, through hard work, character, education and brains. Nepotism, manipulation and politics of fear have nothing to do with his rise or appeal. What a juxtaposition to Bush who as you said could not form a coherent, much less correct sentence. He has the weight of expectation on his shoulders. But he has also challenged all of us to step up and make sacrifices. That does not mean wearing a flag pin and climbing in to your Hummer to spend another day charging it up at the mall. I am ready, to step up to the challenge for the good of us all. And I am ready for history to examine the shameful administration of Bush for their moral, ethical, financial and quite frankly intellectual failings!

    • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/07/2008 4:42:18 PM

      Just curious...is it Barack's superior 'character' or 'morals' that motivates him to legislate the murder of innocent, unborn children?

      • Posted By: Hannah B @ 11/07/2008 6:10:29 PM

        I just can't believe someone could say something so stupid (I'm NOT saying you're stupid but this statement does truly make me wonder). NOBODY is LEGISLATING abortion. What has been decideded by the Supreme Court is the right to get one of you so choose. What this decision says is that ALL of us have the right to make OUR OWN decisions; that NOBODY else has the right to take away anyone else's free will choice about ANYTHING including, but not limited to, abortion!!!!!

        • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/07/2008 10:54:42 PM

          A brief quiz.

          Killing an innocent baby is:

          a) Eliminating the baby's choice

          b) Maintaining the baby's choice

          Or is this so-called freedom to choose limited to those who can defend themselves?

          • Posted By: brotherbock @ 11/08/2008 1:13:59 PM

            Maybe you'd like to prove to me that a fetus is a fully fledged human being first. A fetus is NOT a 'baby'. That's why we have different words for them. Prove to me that fetuses have souls. Then we'll talk about whether it's okay to kill them. Don't force your assumptions down my throat.

            • Posted By: TiberNV @ 11/10/2008 2:06:47 PM

              Prove to me that anyone has a soul and I will do the same with a 'fetus' (really a baby, but I'll not confuse the topic with that). The existence of a soul in a living person is typically considered to be present by the presence of animation (e.g., when the person can move and has bodily function). Babies hearts are beating well before 10 weeks. Further, here is a quote from a medical textbook on the topic:

              "The widely used medical textbook The Developing Human, Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th Edition, Moore, Persaud, Saunders, 1998, states at page 2 that "The intricate processes by which a baby develops from a single cell are miraculous .... This cell [the zygote] results from the union of an oocyte [egg] and sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being ...." At page 18 this theme is repeated: "Human development begins at fertilization [emphasis in original] ....""

              Further, lets look at an example. consider that you are hunting with some friends and you split up to cover more ground. You lose contact with the friend. You hear some rustling in the bushes nearby and think this may either be the game you are hunting or your friend. Do you shoot and then look to see what you shot? Of course not...you first determine the nature of the being (even risking not getting a shot). This same logic could be applied to the present discussion. Do you justify killing an 'embryo' because you are not sure it is 'alive?' Or do you err on the side of caution and assume it is 'alive?' I submit we MUST err on the side of life...otherwise, we are possibly guilty of murder.

            • Posted By: lancegutzman @ 11/08/2008 4:32:11 PM

              If you knew they had souls, you'd have a problem with killing them?

  • Posted By: nickpr53 @ 11/10/2008 5:14:04 AM

    Yeah I'm not too happy about the appointment of Rahm to office but hey. I guess he had to represent.
    I think the biggest disappointment with Obama is going to come from this: the appointment he makes. because they will define his presidency too and if you shoose partisans or people with biiig ties to lobbies you're doomed and I don't like the look of it
    http://www.spinwhip.com/obama

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 12:50:58 PM

      More sore loser comments.

  • Posted By: ctruskey @ 11/10/2008 3:06:56 AM

    I am an independent that supported McCain because national security was the issue I was most concerned about and know Obama is very weak and naive in this field. So I guess me and the 50 million Americans that voted for McCain shouldn't be pround to be Americans????? You are proud to be American because of a presidental elections? I'm just as pround of American now as i was in 1977 when I joined the military. I have always been proud of American not matter who the president is because I know the great good we do. I'm in the Sudan right now and many here are very happy Obama won and they realize that for many the food they are eating was provided by the Americans even with Bush in the White House. In fact if not for American a lot of the peopel here would stave since the local government isn't providing them any food or medicine or anything else. I can remember being spit on in the 70's and early 80's because I was an American. I can remember the Yankee go home protest and graffiti writen on many walls in Europe and of course it was written in English just to make sure I knew what it said. You see being proud of America in good times and bad is the best part of being American because we know the sun will come out tomorrow and that no matter how bad the times may get we know as Amercans we will get through them. You sir are no American please find someplace else to live, because in 4 years America may decide to replace Obama with a Republican and thus you will again not be proud of America.

    • Posted By: buzzboyd @ 11/10/2008 3:19:32 AM

      I'm an independent and I voted for Obama for the exact reasons. I thought McCain was too Pro War for me. Then he picked Palin. If that wasn't naive, it was just plain stupid. The whole experience argument goes out the window. McCain likes to say he's a fighter. I think we could use a thinker instead.

      • Posted By: ctruskey @ 11/10/2008 8:41:22 AM

        Palin wasn't running for Commander and Chief. Biden is the one who said FDR got on the TV in 1929, not Palin. Obama made a poor choice for VP.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 12:14:01 PM

          Are you actually comparing Joe Biden to Sarah Palin who embarassed herself on national television in all of her interviews by proving how very ignorant she is? She is one of the main reasons MCain lost

    • Posted By: HappyManSuit @ 11/10/2008 11:48:46 AM

      Amen to that! Americans should never be unproud of who they are and where they come from and live. Tomorrow is always a new day and times may come as they go, bad and good alike, and if you???re a true American, nothing will hinder you from being proud of your homeland.

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