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  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 11/10/2008 6:48:53 PM

    Historically, 95% of blacks have always voted for the Democratic candidate.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 11/11/2008 8:31:30 AM

      They call us lazy. They call us parasites. They call us racist if we support a Black Candidate (except for Alan Keyes cuz he's a Republican).....

      ....and then they wonder why the overwhelming majority of African Americans vote Democrat. Hilarious.

      Love,

      JM

      PS--I'm not even going to talk about how few African Americans supported Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson (topped out at 85% iirc), the aforementioned Alan Keyes, or Al Sharpton (NOBODY wants to see him in office)....all of whom were African American, btw....

      ...nor will I talk about how the Republicans (the party of Lincoln) enjoyed near unanimous support from African Americans well into the 20th Century (wonder what they did to lose it?)

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/11/2008 8:41:42 AM

        "--I'm not even going to talk about how few African Americans supported Shirley Chisolm"

        I always wondered about that.

        • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 11/12/2008 1:18:10 PM

          Because she was female. She often said she experienced very little problem in the House because of her race, but had significant problems with her fellow representatives because she was female. They just wouldn't take her seriously.

          And of the list you mentioned, she was by far the best and brightest of the bunch.

  • Posted By: knowthefacts @ 11/12/2008 12:40:58 PM

    As a Muslims of African-American decent, we knew what they(GOP) were trying to do with Pres.Elect Obama, claiming he is a Muslim..What a bunch of crap by the GOP, they didn't have any ideal's to move the country forward, so all they had was HE IS A MUSLIM, SO WHAT IF HE WAS? They were never question by media on if being a Muslim was a bad thing. They just applied that is was to the un-educated, low information voter.
    Well, well, well the America people didn't fall for this garbage put out by them and now they have to go and get a check up from the neck up! See you'll(GOP) later!

  • Posted By: fnamukangula @ 11/11/2008 9:28:04 AM

    Well i think Obama will be a good president...but will he get us out of this recession?

    Frank

    www.welcometoinsurance.com

  • Posted By: fnamukangula @ 11/11/2008 9:19:45 AM

    what are your opinions now that Obama is elected President.Will he help the country get out of the recession...?

    Frank
    www.welcometoinsurance.com

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 12:52:43 PM

    MINORITIES are parasites,they take,they don't give,THATS why they're DEMOCRATS!

    • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 12:55:52 PM

      Don't you think you're going a little far with the insults on minorities? Many of them have made very good lives for themselves and many more will. People making comments like this is why they felt the need to vote for Obama because he was a minority rather than voting for the best man for the job.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 12:57:13 PM

        They did vote for the best man for the job.

        • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:09:48 PM

          In your uneducated opinion.

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:15:27 PM

            And in the "uneducated" opinion of 65,000,000 other Americans.

            What's the matter? You only love democracy when you win? What kind of American are you?

            • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:18:53 PM

              When do you mean "when I win?" I wasn't running for office. The reason I am calling your opinion uneducated is based on the lack of any understanding of why you even voted for Obama... other than the fact that he was colored.

              • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 1:26:16 PM



                C'mon Blackcourt79, Do you really think that our shame over and comtempt of racism like yours was more important to us than our appreciation for Obama's intellect? They happen to coexist.

                • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:34:46 PM

                  I hope that is the case 40yearR... my brother voted for Obama... he was a very strong supporter and it made me proud to see him get involved in politics the way he did this year.

                  Perhaps my posts have given the wrong impression. Alot of the policies that Obama has discussed look great. My problem is why people are discussing this issue. If 95% of white people in this country voted for McCain we would have the biggest out cry of racism in this countries history. But if 95% of black people vote for Obama its expected and by bringing up the word racism I've made myself a target because I'm a "bigot" or some other derogatory term.

                  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:42:16 PM

                    In short, you're mad because McCain lost, and you're looking for a reason that isn't "he ran a bad campaign and wasn't the best man for the job".

                    So you choose to harp on the fact that 95% of Blacks voted for Obama. Well, it isn't Obama's fault that McCain didn't bother even TRYING to get their vote, or the vote of anyone who makes less than a quarter million a year.

                    Next time, find a better candidate.

                    • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:58:16 PM

                      Why do you directing this at me? I'm not made that McCain lost. I wasn't running for President or any other office for that matter. I'm not "harping" on the fact that 95% of blacks voted for Obama... I'm asking why nobody is talking about reverse racism.

                      As for the not going after anyones vote who makes less than $250k this is perhaps the most naive comment I have ever heard anyone make. Do you really believe that they are going to stand idley by while the government digs deeper into their pockets? Do you think its right for someone to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, blood, sweat and tears on establishing a career for themselves only to have to turn around and give a portion of their earnings to someone who refuses to take the initiative in their own life and would rather sit around getting drunk or doing drugs?

                      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 11/11/2008 7:59:28 AM

                        Did watch any of the conventions? Did election night rallies? Did you go to any speeches or watch coverage of them.

                        If you did, you wouldn't be asking why 95% of African Americans supported Obama

                        JM

                      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 2:08:34 PM



                        "Blackcourt79": When he voted against Bush's tax give away to the rich, McCain called it "irresponsible" because it "benefits only the rich". He wasn't being racist when he said that, was he?

                  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 1:44:17 PM



                    "Blackcourt79": My hunch is that it took many more than blacks to overcome the number of whites who voted against a mixed race person. But regardless, your premise that he was elected because he's a minority certainly seems to me to say more about your views about race than about the reasons of those who voted for him.

                    • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:54:46 PM

                      95% of black people voted for him... and the response I get for bringing it up is that I am racist? Wow. I guess that about sums up it up. Thanks for proving my point. Racism is officially a one way street. Minorities can hate on "whitey" all they want to... but you better not point out how it is directed the other way or you get labeled. At least now I'm clear on the subject *rolls eyes*

                      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 2:04:48 PM



                        Your premise that he was elected because he's a minority certainly seems to me to say more about your views about race than about the reasons of those who voted for him.

                        • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 2:25:55 PM

                          Whoa... when did I ever say that he was elected because he's a minority? Please go back and give me even one example where I say anything like that. This topic is about race... I asked what people thought about 95% of black people voting for him.... what that has to say about racism in our country. I never once said anything about it being the reason he was elected. You might want to try actually reading other peoples opinions instead of inserting what you want them to be saying.

              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:38:47 PM

                "The reason I am calling your opinion uneducated is based on the lack of any understanding of why you even voted for Obama"

                You never asked. You made an incorrect assumption, based on race.

                Ergo, you are a racist, Jethro. QED.

              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:37:48 PM

                "When do you mean "when I win?" I wasn't running for office."

                Okay, so now you're resorting to semantics.

                Thanks for playing.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 11/11/2008 7:50:51 AM

      That's right, minorities don't give anything.....

      ...except their lives.

      Between 1972 and 2000, despite the downsizing of the military, minority enlistment (as percentage of the overall force) increased while Caucasion enlislment decreased.

      Although they're only 12-14 percent of the population, African Americans make up about 20% of new recruits (prior service and no prior service)

      Recent surveys indicate that minorities and women have the highest job satisfaction rates among those serving in the military.

      Any more lies you'd like me to debunk?

      Love,
      JM

      source (I know, sources are a novel concept):
      http://www.dtic.mil/dacowits/research/Women_Minorities_in_Amer_Vol_Military.pdf
      http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/2003/df013103.htm
      http://www.newsweek.com/id/141165/page/1

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 12:54:14 PM

      Thanks for outing yourself as a racist there, Lester Maddox.

      Your credibility just bottomed out. Now, don't you have a White Nationalist meeting to attend?

  • Posted By: taubekat @ 11/10/2008 1:07:52 PM

    I am a white female Christian, but not a bible thumping right wing crazy. I am not Republican or Democrat I am an Independent. I voted for Obama not out of guilt. I voted for him because he represents much needed intelligence, unification, a collective calmness to process issues, and he did not attack personally or spew hate. Fatjoey reading your posts troubles me. I hope someday you find peace in your heart and soul.

    • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 1:11:18 PM

      YOU'RE NAIVE,BURYING YOUR HEAD HOPING HUGS AND KISS'S ARE THE ANSWER TO THE WORLDS PROBLEM'S IS FOR FOLK SONGS!

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 1:14:25 PM



        "FATJOEY": You're an unattractive alternative to intellectualism.

        • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 1:20:20 PM

          i see,everyone you don't agree with HAS TO BE STUPID HUH? AHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA JERKOFF!

          • Posted By: joe_mama @ 11/11/2008 7:19:16 AM

            no. just you.

            Love,

            JM

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 1:29:09 PM



            You're displaying your stupidity rather starkly. No thinking necessary...

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:27:01 PM

            Well, YOU are.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:14:11 PM

        Why, yes, the solution is to flail around wildly, invade the wrong countries, etc.

        And it's been working SO well so far. LOL.

        • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:17:20 PM

          When was the last time the United States was attacked? Guess it seems to be working well so far.

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:22:12 PM

            After 911? Let's see...The Olympic bombing in Atlanta, multiple faux-anthrax mailings that happened right up until this year, and multiple attacks on embassies (American soil) this year alone (one of which was stopped by Pakistani police, not weird US policy).

            Also, we've thrown away 4000 US servicemen and women for no purpose in Iraq, and that's about a thousand more than we lost on 911, to no purpose.

            You were saying?

            • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:32:13 PM

              There are millions of free Iraqis who would disagree with you that had no purpose. But I wouldn't expect an uninformed poster like yourself to understand that.

              Atlanta was in '98, under Clinton's administration. Anthrax mailings aren't exactly an attack... but if you want to count it as one why don't we go to war with China since they are sending toys to our kids with lead paint on them. As for attacks on embassies I'm not sure which of them is within our borders but I guess I hadn't read about any of them.

              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:35:47 PM

                "There are millions of free Iraqis who would disagree with you that had no purpose. But I wouldn't expect an uninformed poster like yourself to understand that."

                What part of the President's oath of office states that he will put their interests ahead of ours?

                "Atlanta was in '98, under Clinton's administration. "

                Um, is that your final answer? (Please say yes.)

                • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:50:09 PM

                  Sorry Atlanta was in '96... even further back... so what did it have to do with Bush again?

                  As for "What part of the President's oath of office states the he will put their interests ahead of ours", being in Iraq wasn't putting their interests ahead of our own. Perhaps you aren't able to wrap your head around this but in order to prevent future terror attacks on our country we removed a tyrant who was allowing them to use his country as a base of operations.

                  • Posted By: Combat Goldfish @ 11/10/2008 2:02:39 PM

                    According to bad intell we went into Iraq, remember WMD's? That we never found. We've never confirmed Saddam's involvement with 9/11 or Osama bin Laden.

                    • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 2:21:59 PM

                      WMDs... we had the receipts for them... why would we tell everyone... "Hey we found the weapons that we sold to him that he was supposed to use on Iran. Its alright now."

                      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 11/10/2008 6:59:55 PM

                        Hahahaha. Ain't that the truth!!

                        BUT, that created quite the dilemma. The government would look absolutely foolish if it alerted the public to the reality of the situation.....which was, " we're invading a country b/c they're hiding weapons that they bought from US."

                        The Bush administration will go down in history as the 2nd most corrupt administration in American history.....the 1st being Reagan/Bush.

                      • Posted By: Combat Goldfish @ 11/10/2008 2:30:06 PM

                        You're intelligence information and what actually happened doesn't correspond.

                        • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 2:33:31 PM

                          Please explain then since you seem to be so well informed. Perhaps you could provide some evidence. The information I just provided on the WMD is a direct quote from Senator McCain.

                          • Posted By: Combat Goldfish @ 11/10/2008 2:40:23 PM

                            LOL

                            And according to McCain he can "find bin Laden" even though he's never provided assistant to his capture. McCain isn't exactly a good source of information.

                            "WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA???s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has ???gone as far as feasible??? and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

                            ???After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,??? wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group".

                            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

                            You can also pull up the cia reports on the cia webpage and review them yourself.

                      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 2:39:17 PM

                        So your position is that we DID find them, but we didn't tell anyone?

                  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 1:59:40 PM



                    "Blackcourt79"; Catch up and get into reality. The propaganda that he was harboring terrorists was debunked a long time ago.

                    • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 2:20:50 PM

                      Haboring them and allowing them to do as they please within your country is two different things. I never said that Saddam was in cohots with them. But to ignore that the biggest surge of violence in Iraq after we took control was from a group calling themselves al-Qaida in Iraq is simply naive.

                      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 2:41:24 PM

                        "Comment: Haboring them and allowing them to do as they please within your country is two different things."

                        The only terrorists known to have been operating in Iraq were in the no-fly zone in the North that Saddam had no control over. Iam unsure what your point is.

                      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 2:27:14 PM



                        Bush ignoring his experienced military and diplomatic advisers and being duped by the NeoCons, was naive. To continue to buy into it is beyond naive.

                        • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 2:34:47 PM

                          I don't disagree with you on this last point... but that doesn't change the fact that the countries in that region have been allowing extremists to move about as they have pleased since we were providing funding to them to combat Russia in Afghanistan.

                • Posted By: Combat Goldfish @ 11/10/2008 1:51:06 PM

                  1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta, GA.

                  Clinton was in office from 1993 to 2001.

              • Posted By: summer4077 @ 11/10/2008 1:39:31 PM

                Atlanta was in 1996. I do believe that our increased military presence, combined with an actual effort to have a Homeland Security organization when there was none before 9/11 has thwarted some terrorist attacks on American soil. Some of the would-be terrorists were actually American, so I'm not sure we can say it's prevented Muslim attacks, but attacks in general. However, it certainly hasn't reduced terrorism around the world, by far. I couldn't find an article within the past year to sum up all the attacks, but this one shows you the ones just between 2001 and 2005. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jul/07/terrorism.uk1
                I'll also remind you that the Iraqi government recently said they want us out of Iraq and want to start governing their own country. Doesn't exactly sound like a people who really loves us being there.

        • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 1:17:56 PM

          "invade the wrong country"?...the first time or the second time? AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 1:30:57 PM



            The second time, Doufus. We invaded Germany. By your logic, we'd be invading the right country if we did that now.

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:27:36 PM

            The most recent time, of course.

            You're a little slow, aren't you, Joey?

        • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 1:16:02 PM

          Baaaa Baaaaaa

          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:22:47 PM

            It's okay to cry, little guy.

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 11/10/2008 3:28:19 PM

        well guns, violence and aggression arent the answer either fatty...i cant believe that people like you can even remotely be considered part of "the most inteligent species" on the planet. you shout and call people names and make bigoted comments like its going out of style. i dont agree with you simply because you act like a child. and you ask for and recieve all that is given to you here in message boards and in the real world im sure. you hate, so others hate you, you yell at people and call names, and they do the same to you...are we seeing a patern here? im sure your a phsyciatrists wet dream...

        im offended by the way you talk about other "races" like they arent even human...you do know that "muslims" and "blacks" bleed? and when they bleed its red blood? they have families? emotions? dreams? they eat and sleep and have jobs? many of them are serving in our military? in our government? in our factories? working along side you? you do know that this country would not be able to exist without people of "color" or of another "race"? your anger and agression are ill placed and very much represents how you treat others and how you act as a person. all of which has indicated to me that you are a sad, lonely, frusterated fat man. but, i can send you some twinkies if it will shut you up? i send them priority overnight just for you, a whole case of twinkies and ho hos, and maybe a few zebra cakes if you can learn to bite your tongue a little bit...only if your a good boy...

        i really hope you can learn to get past colors and creeds because if you havent noticed, there is so far to our knowledge only one planet (earth, if you didnt learn that in school) in which we live on. and its the only one planet within BILLION AND BILLIONS OF MILES AND LIGHT YEARS OF ANOTHER INHABITABLE PLANET...WE are the HUMAN race, WE all live here, WE all are trying to make our way the same as you. so you get your fat head out of your fat ass and pay attention to whats going on around you in this tiny little planet...because the last thing WE need is more degenerates like YOU... try not to make everything so hard on others and yourself for one day and then we can talk...

      • Posted By: ovidius @ 11/10/2008 1:12:59 PM

        Really? Kiss's? Is that possessive?

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/11/2008 1:28:42 AM



    "the-commish", I'll try...he does sort of seem...well.... strange....in a freaky sort of way...that is...before you consider that compulsion.....you know.... irrelevant...and needy....and begging for attention...but then...well...freaky.....but, well...way beyond that...just...well...er....just so uninteresting....and....golly...I'm sorry to be repetitive...just so pathetically...well, you know...sort of.....irrelevant.....so completely.......Do you know any go shelters?....

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/08/2008 10:20:42 AM

    His biological father of Kenyan descent is Muslim. Obama's biological white mother said she was atheist and this is confirmed by Obama himself. Barack Hussein Obama said early on in the election and this is a direct quote ... " The first time I saw Jesus Christ was when I attended Trinity United church over 20 years ago ". This is Obama's case to say that he is Christian.

    For him to say he's a Christian is not valid especially if you are linking it to a radical , crazy , racist church in Trinity United whose pastor is Rev Wright...a self-proclaimed preacher of the word of God...the Vatican does not recognize Trinity United as any sort of Christian diocese nor does the Vatican recognize a pastor like Rev. Wright as someone who is qualified to preach Christianity in the real traditional sense..in other words a phoney or not qualified.

    This explanation can be used to declare that Obama indeed is not a Christian. There is no proof that exists or that can be produced he was baptized which is another point that disqualifies him as a Christian.
    What is certain , Barack Hussein Obama was born with a Muslim father and he was given a traditional Muslim name. There is no denying this fact. If you take all these points for their value then most people will conclude that Obama is a Muslim.

    I can safely say he's a Muslim by birth because of his father and his claim to be a Christian doesn't hold any merit.

    What I am curious about is at inauguration will Barack Hussein Obama take the oath of office using the Bible or the Quran. I fear that Obama will use the Bible and in so doing , Obama will enrage most of radical and moderate Muslims in the nation of Islam because in Islam to discredit one's Muslim faith is tantamount to blasphemy which results in harsh punishment.

    • Posted By: maggieschumacher @ 11/08/2008 10:30:41 AM

      Are you serious? The Vatican doesn't recognized the Trinity United Church because it's not Catholic, it's Christian. The Vatican is Catholic and the Trinity United Church isn't. What is wrong with you people? Get educated please before you post up this garbage.

      • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/08/2008 7:27:55 PM

        The Vatican is the presider over the Roman Catholic diocese which is the flag bearer of Christianity..where it was originated in Rome in the time of Constantine Caesar. The Protestant , Baptist, Pentecostals, Lutherans are all deviations from the Roman Catholic church the flag bearer of Christianity throughout the world. This is the doctrine of the Vatican going back hundreds of years and reinforced during the rule of Pope Leo xiii who stated any religion that is not Roman Catholic...the bearer of Christianity is not recognized as a diocese in the Christian family. Christianity was originally founded in Roman Catholicism and it was the English royals that first challenged the Vatican with the formation of the Protestant sect ....a sore point to the Vatican to this day. That is why...with all these self-proclaimed pastors like Rev Wright and Ottis Moss and Farrakhan and even including those like Billy Graham and the Jimmy Swaggerts ...they are all not recognized by the true bearer of the Christian faith as indoctrinated by the Vatican over a thousand years ago. That is why a congregation like Trinity United is not a church , and its not a preacher of the Christian faith in the traditional sense ...they are basically meaningless.

        • Posted By: max in fl @ 11/10/2008 12:19:14 PM

          Concerned Canadians

          You didn't get the memo, the church is the believer not the building. So if you want to say that the people that attend the service are not recognized because the Vatican says so, then good luck.

          For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for ???WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.???
          14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, ???HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!???
          http://biblebrowser.com/romans/10-15.htm

          • Posted By: the-commish @ 11/10/2008 11:57:46 PM

            Will you folks please STOP responding to Concerned Canadian, who is neither concerned or a Canadian. Just a freaking IDIOT!!!

        • Posted By: Republican be gone @ 11/08/2008 8:48:17 PM

          Oh, it's another "the one true faith" rant (i.e., "flagship of christianity"). An elementary observation of the world will turn up many of these currently and also in history. You would think that this basic fact would induce at least a small measure of humility but it never does.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/08/2008 12:18:17 PM


      More non sequitur drivel from "Concerned Canadian", who relentlessly repeated more than a dozen of the anonymous smears long after they were debunked, but just still can't let go of the Muslim assertion as if that is a pejorative. Drool....

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 11/08/2008 4:20:21 PM

        Such convoluted logic.

  • Posted By: ctruskey @ 11/10/2008 2:33:47 AM

    What is a Muslim American, is that like a Lutheran American? Religion is not a nationality. You can say Arab American or Indonesian American or any other country but you can't say Muslim American. I don't believe Muslims in American were mostly Republican that goes agains the polls taken in Detroit Michigan over the last three elections. I don't believe either Bush got the majority of Muslim votes in their Presidental elections. I beleive Bill Clinton got wide majority of Muslim votes in his presidental elections. YOU SIR don't know the facts. The war on terror had little to do with it, since as Americans, Muslims should understand this just like other Americans.

    • Posted By: the-commish @ 11/10/2008 11:40:01 PM

      Many (if not most) of the Arab Americans you are talking about in Detroit are actually Chaldean Christians, and not Muslims. People think all Arabs are Muslims, but that is not true. Tariq Aziz, the former vice president of Iraq, was a chaldean christian.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 4:41:38 PM




    Ok, Blackcourt79: I get it. You're just a blowhard who changes the subject from racism to terrorists to the debunked assertion that the democrats caused the financial crisis, and you don't keep your word because you can't back up the propaganda you lifted from an anonymous email or explain the millions given to R lobbyists to lobby against regulation of Fannie and Freddie....

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 4:00:57 PM



    "Blackcourt79": Explanation: The point apparently escaped you. Sums were given to a junior senator from Illinois because he was seen to be a rising force; that sum pales in comparison to what was spent on R lobbyists to lobby Rs agains regulation, after they had already defeated the regulation was necessary.

    That is the answer to your specific question by which you seek to avoid the larger subject that you brought up.

    Look at your posting. You mentioned those donations to support your specific statement, a repetition of the diversionary ploy attempted during the election, that the Democrats were to blame.

    That statement was in stark contrast to the millions donated to R lobbyists.

    You know your own point was clear. Your attempt to avoid doing what you promised to do, is transparent.

    Is your word going to be kept? Or are your words to be disregarded because you now realize you made a false repetition of the R propaganda and you cannot explain why so much money was spent by Rs to prevent regulation of Fannie and Freddie?

    A 40 year republican

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 3:06:43 PM



    "Blackcourt79": You said you would explain the millions paid to McC's campaign manager to lobby against regulation of Fannie and Freddie, from 2000 to his tenure as McC's campaign manager, and the $250k Freddie donated to the R convention.

    Are we to take your word for anything you've said in these posts, or are you going to keep your word?

    • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 3:39:35 PM

      I said I would explain it as soon as you could explain why a junior senator from Illinois was the 3rd highest on a list of payouts from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the last ten years... especially when he was only in the seat for three of those ten years. You took the opportunity to continue to talk about McCain's campaign manager and never bothered to answer my question to you.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 3:44:56 PM

        You mean the Freddie Mac allegation you wouldn't back up?

        Heh.

  • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 12:42:17 PM

    This is just another example of modern racism. Look at the election statistics... 95% or more black voters voted for Obama... what do you think would have happened if 95% of what voters had voted for McCain? We are a nation of hypocrits led by hypocrits. This is a sad era for American and its citizens.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 12:55:31 PM

      Yeah, voting in one's self interest is "racist".

      Quit your crying.

      • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 12:58:40 PM

        Do you honestly believe that it was in the best interests for 95% of black people to vote for Obama? Do you really? Well thanks for revealing yourself as completely and totally uninformed... your credibility just dropped to zero.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:04:29 PM

          "Do you honestly believe that it was in the best interests for 95% of black people to vote for Obama? Do you really?"

          Yes, considering the choice they were given.

          • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:09:05 PM

            Oh right... how could I forget that the other choice was an old white guy... thanks for revealing yourself a racist. At least now we know the truth about your opinions. Or is racist a title that can only be used on white people?

            • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:17:22 PM

              Who mentioned race with respect to McCain? I was referring to his voting record, which mirrored Bush's failed agenda 95% of the time. I was also referring to the ridiculous VP nominee he got saddled with, and her inability to do much of anything but speak poorly and wink.

              Someone's a racist here...and that someone seems to be YOU.

              • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:26:44 PM

                Bush's failed agenda? What exactly about his agenda failed... aside from public opinion of it? Things are getting better in Iraq and the focus has been shifting to Afghanistan. The United States hasn't been attacked since 2001. Bush and his "failed agenda" attempted to take control of the investment bank situation three years ago now but the Democratic party and their majority in congress made sure that it didn't happen, because they didn't want to lose the hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions that they were recieving from those companies. So what exactly are you referring to?

                LOL... calling me a racist... thats amusing coming from somones whose only political argument thus far has been to point out that Obama wasn't an old white guy and thats why he voted for him. Congratulations on continuing to look foolish.

                • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:32:40 PM

                  "Bush's failed agenda? What exactly about his agenda failed... "

                  The economy is a mess.

                  We have wasted 4000 American lives in a pointless war...not to mention a few division's worth of servicemembers too badly injured to continue serving.

                  The PATRIOT Act has been used more to combat music piracy than anything resembling terrorism, after Bush and Ashcroft swore up and down it would ONLY be used to combat terrorism.

                  No increase in the number of shipping containers searched at our ports.

                  Our Southern border is no more seucre than 8 years ago.

                  The bailout Bush begged for has turned into a giveaway, with 71,000,000,000 going to "executive compensation", while the stock market continues to circle the drain.

                  240,000 people lost their jobs in October alone.

                  32,000 American manufacturing jobs leave America every month.

                  Shall I continue?

                  • Posted By: summer4077 @ 11/10/2008 1:43:48 PM

                    Doc, don't argue with him. You're obviously dealing with one of the mere 20% who still think Dubya's doing a peachy job. Most of America, and most of the world, thinks like we do. Bush was a failure and his presidency has been an utter disaster. Blackcourt tries to blame the financial crisis on the Dems...yet fails to realize that they were NOT the majority three years ago...only two, in 2006. And most of the bad loans and credit problems are due to massive deregulation under Republicans in control of Congress 1994-2006. These problems weren't created in 2 years, but rather over eight years under Bush. Anyway, I digress. Don't beat your head against the wall, Doc, not worth it.

                    • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 2:04:15 PM

                      And when Republicans led by McCain attempted to enact legislation that would bring Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac back under stronger regulations they were railroaded by Democrats who said that there was nothing wrong with the two investment banks. That is a fact. You can't dispute it. All you can do is try to shift the blame over to Bush.

                      I never once said that Bush was doing a peachy job. I asked what his failed policies were. I countered the examples with arguments why there weren't his policies. Obviously neither of you are well informed enough to provide examples.

                      Bush's greater failure was his inability to defuse the poor image that he built for himself. Rather than working with congress and alot of others he tried the bull in the china closet approach and while he got what he wanted a majority of the time it kept making him look bad.

                      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 2:15:51 PM



                        "Blackcourt79"; Tell me about the $35k/mo. in lobbyist fees McC's campaign manager Rick Davis was receiving before and after McC jumped on that bill 9 months after its introduction, and about the fact Davis continued to receive them after he became campaign manager, and about the $250k Freddie donated to the R convention.

                        • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 2:29:19 PM

                          I'll explain that one to you as soon as you can explain why a junior senator from Illinois became the third highest paid politician on the books at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the last ten years when he's only been in office for three of those ten years.

                          Then perhaps you can explain to me why the top ten politicians listed on that same list is 80% Democrat. Who had more to lose with the regulation of Fannie and Freddie? Facts say that it was the Democrats. Thanks for playing the blame game... where there are no winners or losers... there is enough to go around.

                          • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 2:43:03 PM

                            "I'll explain that one to you as soon as you can explain why a junior senator from Illinois became the third highest paid politician on the books at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the last ten years "

                            Link?

                            • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 3:40:28 PM

                              www.google.com

                              Do a little research for yourself. Might do you some good since you don't seem to bother on any other subjects that you voice your opinion on.

                              • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 3:43:30 PM

                                You made the assertion, you provide the link.

                          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 2:52:13 PM



                            "Blackcourt79": Ok, now keep your promise.

                            First, your posts show that you brought up the subject, in your effort to lay blame. That started with the anonymous email that circulated that list.

                            The donations you mention occurred after the Rs already defeated the regulation they opposed by paying McCain???s manager Rick Davis.

                            In the aggregate, those donations were less than Freddie donated to the R convention.

                            Those donations emphasized in that email that was trying to lay blame, were less in the aggregate than 1/10 of what was paid to Rick Davis to lobby Rs to keep that bill from coming out of committee, which the Rs had the votes to get it out of committee.

                            After Rs decided to not vote the bill out of a republican controlled committee, Davis continued to receive far more per year in lobbyist fees per year, including after he became McC???s campaign manager, than all the donations to democrats on that list, in the aggregate.

                            There???s plenty of blame to go around, that???s true. But that???s the fall-back of people who tried to fool us with that blame, which you continue to do.

                            So, explain???

                            • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 3:41:41 PM

                              So the Republicans have Rick Davis lobbying and the Democrats have Joe Biden's son... which seems a greater conflict of interest.

                • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:33:16 PM

                  "LOL... calling me a racist... thats amusing coming from somones whose only political argument thus far has been to point out that Obama wasn't an old white guy "

                  That isn't what I said.

                  Why are you such a liar? Were you raised wrong?

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 7:45:01 AM

    shows you how IGNORANT MUSLIMS ARE! he's not even muslim!

    • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 11/10/2008 11:09:25 AM

      your just as ignorant...fatty...

      • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 12:36:50 PM

        you mean "you're"just as ignorant don't you? sheesh?!?!?

        • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 11/10/2008 3:08:03 PM

          yea, and is checking my spelling making you feel like an even bigger man?

    • Posted By: Combat Goldfish @ 11/10/2008 12:35:54 PM

      I don't think you can quite say that about the whole muslim population. That in itself makes it an ignorant comment. Of course, you can't blaim some for thinking he is muslim as many reports have stated he is muslim. In which he himself states he is not.

      • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 12:38:14 PM

        no i think it applies to the whole muslim population,they're more or less idiots,but you have to be to believe in allah to begin with!

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:33:50 PM

          You're a funny little bigot.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 12:41:51 PM

    muslims voted for obama only because they thought he was muslim,african americans voted for him only because he was black,whites voted for him out of guilt,did anyone vote for obama on his views???

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 12:48:41 PM

      Gee, there's 65,000,000 guilty white people?

      HAR HAR! Poor Jethro. You're on the wrong side of history, and you'll never understand why.

      • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 12:52:41 PM

        On the wrong side of history? Aren't most all of us American? Or are you on some other side?

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 12:56:26 PM

          Sure you're Americans. But some here are still trying to live in the 1950s. Too bad, times have changed.

          • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:02:36 PM

            What has changed? Should we give up any semblance of morality becase a few citizens find it to constraining? Perhaps you could find some examples instead of generalizing.

            • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:07:17 PM

              "What has changed? Should we give up any semblance of morality becase a few citizens find it to constraining? Perhaps you could find some examples instead of generalizing."

              Sure.

              1. Religion is no longer as large a factor in politics. My apologies to James Dobson, but he's yesterday's news.

              2. Whites no longer have anything resembling the edge they had in 1950. Most (the civilized ones) realize that they are now just one more demographic group.

              3. That being said, Whites won't necessarily vote for a Black guy just because they feel guilty about something. Obama was the right man for the job, and he won.

              • Posted By: Blackcourt79 @ 11/10/2008 1:15:48 PM

                Amazing to me... you respond to my comments about reverse racism and I can use everything in your posts to prove my point. Thanks for demonstrating again that you are a racist.

                • Posted By: summer4077 @ 11/10/2008 1:46:19 PM

                  There's no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism and exists in all ethnic groups. Some people voted for him because he is black, just as some would not vote for him for that reason. Some voted for McCain because he is white. Obama won because of his attitude, intelligence, and perceived trustworthiness. We were tired of the same anger and fear and Obama's speeches and platforms resonated with us. End of story.

                • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 1:26:11 PM

                  HAR HAR! In short, you have no argument, so you resort to appeal to authority fallacies.

                  You need practice. This ain't freerepublic.com.

  • Posted By: Combat Goldfish @ 11/10/2008 12:58:06 PM

    I can't see why people think because they did a poll that it's 100% reflective of the votes Obama received on the 4th. It was a very low number that was polled compared to the millions of votes invested into each party running for office.

    Not everyone chooses how they're going to vote based on color or being the same faith. It seems a lot has been focused on since Obama ran is race and faith background. Not his views on key components of how the government should run, what should be changed, or taken away. It's actually pretty distrubing people think this way.

  • Posted By: ovidius @ 11/10/2008 12:47:59 PM

    Yikes, you boys need to stop the hollerin' and cross burnin'. You're a perfect example of why minorities don't feel comfortable with the Republican party. Oh yeah, and that whole 'Southern Strategy' thing may have something to do with it.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 12:54:59 PM

      Fat Joey is a prime example. I am glad he's a GOP voter. The dems should be glad, too.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 12:44:39 PM

    obama is just jimmy carter IN BLACK FACE! notice he's already letting the P.O.W.'S FREE FROM GITMO! HE'S WEAK AND OUR ENEMIES KNOW IT,JUTS LIKE MR PEANUT

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 12:47:57 PM

      Your side lost, Bubba. Get over it.

  • Posted By: ovidius @ 11/10/2008 11:48:24 AM

    Another minority group driven to the Democratic camp by hate-mongering Republican fear tactics. I can't help but think that there would be a lot of support for the ideology of the right from this cultural group otherwise. Their loss, I suppose.

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