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  • Posted By: firemanhendou @ 11/07/2008 6:29:32 PM

    Do the Muslims of this country not care about the life of an unborn child? Or how about the God ordained man and women relationship called marriage?..How can you profess to do the will of your god and still vote for someone that is ok with these evil practices??

    • Posted By: RoaringMoose @ 11/07/2008 7:57:22 PM

      How can you support someone that would drop bombs on children?
      asked by a Viet Nam VET

      • Posted By: GTraynor @ 11/08/2008 1:51:30 AM

        Easy. I nuke them and be done with it...

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 11:46:40 AM

          So you're anti-Jesus. Gotcha.

    • Posted By: glam @ 11/07/2008 7:08:05 PM

      You are absolutely right.

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/07/2008 6:55:54 PM

      Maybe they just ALSO care about other things. Maybe they didn't want to support an administration that views their entire religon as an evil empire.

      Maybe they wanted a way out of war and hate?

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/07/2008 10:45:37 PM

    Grow up, little "visitor"! May I ask, little girl - why is the muslim community largely silent about muslim atrociaties?

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 11:45:09 AM

      I haven't seen you denounce McViegh or Eric Rudolph.

      Why do you love terrorists?

  • Posted By: shovelbum @ 11/07/2008 11:25:25 PM

    I don't really care what the media has to say on this issue, or anyone else for that matter. Obama is a muslim. I cannot prove it, but I know. Muslims say particular things that alot of people do not recognize. I've talked to extreme muslims for 7 long years on the internet, I know them. Why do you think Obama surrounds himself with those people.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 11:44:01 AM

      "Obama is a muslim. I cannot prove it, but I know. "

      How? Did the neighbor's dog tell you? Voices from God, maybe?

    • Posted By: JC0101 @ 11/08/2008 12:48:27 AM

      Why would Obama's agnostic mother and nonpracticing Christian grandparents raise him as a Muslim? Only a complete idiot would believe Obama is Muslim. I gave my daughter a German middle name. It doesn't make her German.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 11/08/2008 4:40:20 PM

        That's right. Any ethnic name i.e. Tony, Patrick, Andre' does not mean you are of that heritage. Are we not a melting pot anyway. How boring if everybody was a WASP. Well, maybe ,that's what some people really do want afterall. It;s just a name, for pete's sake. Not a secret club.

      • Posted By: ginmontana @ 11/08/2008 11:34:49 AM

        "talked to extreme muslims for 7 long years on the internet"

        Then you must be a Muslim by associatioin

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/08/2008 12:19:51 AM

      Surrounds himself with "those people" ??

      Like the Jew he named as his Cheif of Staff ?

      Oh yeah.. Because Muslims and Jews always get along so well.- Good thing too, or the middle east wouldn't be such a peaceful place.

  • Posted By: GTraynor @ 11/08/2008 1:01:30 PM

    "Why is it always the coffee pot calling the tea kettle black? If you can tell me Rev Wright NEVER was a victim of racism while he served in the Marines and again when he served in the Navy then you can call him a racist."
    I was a victim of a couple of black thugs who robbed me a couple of years ago. Just because I say the n word every now and again, they doesn;t make me a racist either.

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    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 11:41:39 AM

      Yes, it does make you a racist.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 11/08/2008 4:17:01 PM

      Sorry, but it really is a very bad word. Maybe you should rethink it!

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/09/2008 2:21:46 AM

    My only question is: Why have the so-called American Muslim community not denounced their terrorists??
    Waiting for an answer.

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/09/2008 2:40:35 AM

      They have. I seen Muslim leaders in th eUS, Canada, Europe and the Middle East all denounce it. It was all over the news after the attacks happened.

      The few radicals should be punished for what they did (and punished harshly), but we can't hold over a Billion people responsible for the acts of few. True Mulims want justice, just like you do.

      Please keep in mind that one of the goals of the terrorists was to drive a division between the non Muslim community and the rest of the world. This helps them and the Tyrants that support them hold power and control.over innocent people. When you attack Islam and hold them all responsible for what a small group has done, you are helping create the divide. In other words, you are just playing into teh hands of the terrorists. They are getting from you exactly what they wanted.

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/09/2008 9:59:15 AM

        Quote: "Please keep in mind that one of the goals of the terrorists was to drive a division between the non Muslim community and the rest of the world."

        This is where I think 1.5 billion peaceful Muslims might have some influence on their own members who do not.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 11:40:15 AM

          Why didn't you have an influence on Timothy McVeigh?

        • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/09/2008 3:02:26 PM

          They don't have to influebce1.5 Billion Muslims. They have influenced you enough to create a divide. Your hatred will help influence Muslims to distrust America.

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/09/2008 3:20:11 PM

            Get off that nonsense. I don't hate them. What the terrorists did to us on 9/11 "in the name of Islam" is what influenced me.

            You're so concerned about my "influencing" them, but you are in no way advocating that they should influence their own people! Why are you so opposed to that?

            • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/09/2008 3:30:18 PM

              I do think they should make an effort to influence their own. And from what i've seen they do. Many leaders in the Muslim community have spoken out against the terrorist attacks and tried to reach prople with the true message of Islam, which is very peaceful.


              Just becausee some nut job claims to do something in the name of god, soesn't make it so. Jut because the "claim" to attack in the name of Islam doesn't make Islam responsible.

              Find the guilty. Punish them. Don't spread that blame amongst all Muslims.

              • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/09/2008 4:10:33 PM

                I'm not blaming them! I hope this catches on:

                http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/aboutus.html



                • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/09/2008 6:34:48 PM

                  Vypurrr:
                  I just got a chanve to look at this site. I hope others will do the same. Something like this is nice to see.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/09/2008 10:31:06 AM

          What about the millions of Christians who fail to denounce Fred Phelps for his "GOD HATES FAGS" agenda, or bombers of abortion clinics, or the ones who suggest that Hurricane Katrina happened because of the "debauchery" of New Orleans?

          I will not implicate and incite war with one point five BILLION people because a few thousand of them are angry, violent extremists. We have as many in our own country.

          • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/09/2008 10:49:36 AM

            Millions? Hardly... like the Muslims and terrorists, they're relatively few. And yes people do denounce their attitudes. Calling someone an unjustified foul, ugly name is one thing, but flying jets into buildings and plotting to destroy the United States is quite another.

            No one here said anything about waging war against 5 billion people. I said the Muslims need to take a more pro active part in trying to convince their own people to stop terrorizing the world.

            • Posted By: demirinannesi @ 11/09/2008 12:47:16 PM

              Please, Vypurr, tell me what you think we Muslims should do. Every Muslim friend and family member I have has denounced terrorism repeatedly - at home, at work, in the mosque. Every religious and policital leader in my community has also done the same. Most - if not all - mainstream Muslim leaders around the world have also done this. What can we do to be more "Proactive" as you say? How is it that the American Christian community wasn't held responsible for not reigning in Timothy McVeigh and others from the righ-wing militant Christian Identity movement?

              • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/09/2008 3:28:24 PM

                Do not think for a minute you aren't appreciated. Here's something those of the Muslim faith are doing.. hope they are able spread the word.

                http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/aboutus.html

      • Posted By: busby @ 11/09/2008 10:16:55 AM

        No, we shouldn't paint all Muslims with the same brush but yet it is done repeatedly to Jewish Americans and seems to be completely accepted by many in this country. It makes you wonder if Israel was "pushed into the sea", what then would be their excuse for jew hating and baiting. Jews own everything in the country, jews drink babies' blood, what? There's a lot of "isms" out there that need to be addressed.

    • Posted By: lisas @ 11/09/2008 1:17:44 PM

      Americans have denounced terrorism (Muslim Americans are "Americans"). Are you out publically denouncing the Timothy McVeighs of this contry? Should it be White Americans out denouncing McVeigh or Scottish Americans or Irish Americans denouncing MvVeighs of this country? McVeigh would gladly have killed 3,000 or 10,000 Americans had they been in the Murrow Building.

      We are all Americans, and it is the divided view of us that creates so many problems.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 7:47:15 AM

    why does the press assume muslims think for themselves? their mullah tells them how to vote! most muslims are robotic religious morons who vote in blocks any way their muslim masters order them to!

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 11:38:27 AM

      " why does the press assume muslims think for themselves? their mullah tells them how to vote!"

      And you have Rush Limbaugh.

    • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 11/10/2008 11:20:49 AM

      and im so sure you think for yourself as well joey...good luck with the whole "thinking" thing, i really hope it works out so you can get rid of all the ignorant hogwash trapped in your skull...

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/10/2008 10:45:44 AM

      The religous leaders most likely do have an influence on thier political views.
      But the same is true in most Christian Churches.

  • Posted By: Joe C. @ 11/10/2008 11:23:21 AM

    I supported Senator McCain and Governor Palin to the end - but see the treatment and anger directed at Arab Americans as wrong and nothing more than a product of fear from a Bush Administration that did nothing for its social and fiscal conservative bases except give us rhetoric. Maybe if Senator Obama is truly an extreme liberal, perhaps the Republican party will return to its government reform, small government, debt minimizing roots, and actually lead our nation in positive moral values (I'm a Christian, but why not welcome others to our party?).

  • Posted By: mistersisterson @ 11/10/2008 9:59:31 AM

    You forget, sir, that Muslim-Americans are still Americans. At the end of the day, they do think for themselves, or they wouldn't have come here. Very few who practice Islam in this nation are terrorists or radicals. All religions and races belong here, whether or not you agree with them. And yes, idiotic poster before me, it is just like a "Lutheran American" or a "Catholic American". Just like that. You're stupid.

  • Posted By: European Alliance for Rational Thought @ 11/09/2008 10:35:12 PM

    Obviously this story was written by a Muslim. Who else would write: "But the ploy to connect Obama to a demonized Islam..." Demonized Islam? What does that mean? Perhaps a violent Islam or better yet intolerant Islam would be more truthful. Yes, that must be it.....

  • Posted By: plainview @ 11/09/2008 10:11:21 PM

    Someone asked why shovelbum has that name. I have a possible logical explanation. What comes out of a b*m and what is he always shoveling on this site?

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/09/2008 4:49:44 PM



    Vypurr, Thank you for posting the link to: http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/aboutus.html

    I have emailed it to friends. I hope many others will do so also.

    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/09/2008 6:08:21 PM

      40Year,

      Thanks, it's a great group of people the entire planet can be enthusiastic and proud of. I've sent it out also.

      40, I've been trying to catch up with you as I owe you a huge apology for my comments to you the night of the election. Regardless the circumstances, there was no excuse for that. If you will, please accept my apology.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/09/2008 6:17:55 PM



        Thanks for saying so. I hope my appreciation for your posting of that link shows how I feel about things.

        • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/09/2008 6:50:23 PM

          It does, and thanks again.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/09/2008 4:28:01 PM



    demirinannesi, I appreciate your post and questions. I am on your side, and hope that Muslims can be viewed in a different way.

    Before 9/11 and the prominence of the Wahhabi sect???s notice in the West, I had the good fortune to experience extensively in North Africa the warmth, welcome and the generosity that orthodox Islam imbued uniformly to its believers. It was much more complete and sincere than any sect of Christianity I have ever seen.

    A problem is ignorance. Many Muslims appear and dress differently. Society is wary of those who appear to reject this culture. You need not change your dress, but you must show what it does and does not represent. Mosques are seen as breeding grounds of hate and terrorism, because some are.

    Many Americans have only seen the extremists in the news and their expressions and manifestations of hate. How are Americans to be educated and who should educate them?

    Many Americans would accept your faith if they understood that what they have seen is an aberration and is not representative. They need and want to be shown otherwise. I have tried to explain, but I do not have things to point to that others can see.

    Referring to extremists or hate in the name of Christianity is ineffective, because so many Americans already reject them and know from their own experiences that such hate and extremes (as noisy as they are) are only exceptions and not representative.

    I do not see how these perceptions can be changed until so many Muslims are so numerous and consistent and visible that the vast majority of Muslims are understood to be that majority.

    Telling folks who are already receptive is insufficient to influence and persuade those who do not have that exposure.

    Since the problem is a religious sect with aberrant views and goals, the mainstream religious leaders must be seen to reject and denounce Wahhabism. Visibly demand that Wahhabis stop trying to hijack your religion, and declare that Islam is the religion that it is. Continuously declare how hate and murder are harram, publicly.

    Until this is observed repeatedly and uniformly, fears due to lack of information and understanding cannot be expected to change.

    Be organized and repetitive. Demand that your religious leaders fairly and visibly represent your faith as it is. Go on Charlie Rose. Many other reporters and documentary makers will gladly present this view. Post signs outside your mosques declaring these things. Welcome visitors. Show yourselves to be what you are. You must realize that the absence of such declarations and actions are and will be perceived and used as evidence that the fears are well founded.

    We all would be better off if misperceptions were rectified. But if you and your religious leaders are not willing to do these things, then you cannot expect anyone else to do it for you.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/08/2008 8:18:38 PM



    "sanstov952", I agree with you. That's why I voted for him.

    As for "Concerned Canadian", it appears we will have no relief from his delusional drivel.

    "Concerned": How do you type with all that drool running down your chin?

    A 40 year republican

    • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 11/09/2008 3:46:06 PM

      Easy...I am not blind to reality, I'm well traveled so I don't believe what the media wants to portray because they serve their own agenda and twist the truth to manipulate the masses.
      I don't care who gets elected as President....the problem is the "how" a President gets elected. In Obama's case there are more unkowns and uncertainties than answers and I know for a fact this will
      hinder Obama's performance as President whether you want to believe this or not.

  • Posted By: LisainVA @ 11/09/2008 3:39:13 PM

    I am THRILLED to know that American Muslims voted for Obama overwhelming at 95%. That is terrific to know since I wondered how they felt as it appeared most of the news I read during the campaign rarely mentioned Muslims let alone how they felt. I am also glad to read here that although I had read about Obama's staffers keeping Muslims out of a particular photo shot, that no news agency bothered to follow up by reporting that Obama called these American Muslims to apologize for his staff's behavior. That was terrific!

    I also want to say, thank you to all American Muslims for putting our man in the Oval Office as I believe he will try to help us all as much as he possibly can. Thank you for believing in him as much as I do and giving this extremely intelligent man a chance to do so much for us and our country!

    Yes, it is so true that we should not judge all peopIe of any group to be wrong or bad. There are always people ready to judge without having any or even half of the facts. I am a much older Hispanic-heritage female, and I can't tell you thank you enough! Good luck to all of you and your families.

  • Posted By: bajan man @ 11/09/2008 2:19:04 PM

    I hate to see that Obama is buttering up to the Zionists. It was not enough that he selected Joe Biden, a notorious pro-Israeli proponent as his running mate. It is also the fact that he saw fit to name as his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel. This man is so in love with Israel that it''s hard to believe he''s not Iraeli.

    • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/09/2008 3:11:03 PM

      Hahaha

      First he's a Muslim, in bed with the terrorists. Then people compare him to Hitler.
      Now he's too in love with the Jews.


      Get a grip already.

  • Posted By: F7711 @ 11/09/2008 2:59:44 PM

    So many Americans seem to make the mistake of equating any Muslim with extremism. It shows ignorance,bigotry and small mindedness. Not every Christian is an Abortion Clinic bombing,Doctor killing mad-man, or pedophile, by that same token neither is every Muslim a terrorist sympathizer. There are extremists in every religion, it's the extremism that is so dangerous and vile,not the religion. I honestly believe that religious exteremism is perhaps the most dangerous thinmg facing mankind today. If only the leaders of all religions would preach love and tolerance instead of hate and division.

  • Posted By: wstephenjackson @ 11/09/2008 1:15:41 PM

    It is more of a shame that I have words to describe, that for so many Americans, the word Muslim has become a slur, and even worse, a cause for fear. As one who was raised in the racist, religion prejudiced area of rural, 1960???s West Tennessee, where even being Jewish was considered a 'sin', I was very proud of former Secretary of State Colin Powell's remarks. He redeemed himself in my eyes on that day. I remember being a child raised in a church of the Southern Baptist Convention. Our pastor was a good and honest man, but fear and superstition swept that group into such a reactionary and intolerant stance that I left it many years ago, along with almost any rational, tolerant, and thinking person.

    The recent election inspires in me more pride in the United States of America than any day I can recall in my 52 years. It is far more important than landing a man on the moon, and as a student of science, and one having a deep belief that the future of Mankind requires learning and illumination, I understand how important it is that this country???s leader embrace science, rather than fear it. By all means give us a president who is more intelligent, and more learned than I am.

    Fear has been the real ???bogy man??? in our nation in recent years. People who are afraid react without thinking. It is the tool by which every dictator, from Hitler to Stalin, has reared their hideous head to control a population. Our collective dismissal of fear as grounds for electing a President is an indication to all that we, as a nation, do learn and grow.

    I have great sympathy for our citizens of the Muslim faith, and have known many who were better citizens than many of the ???bible thumping moral majority??? will ever care to be. They have to be. Each day, they feel the need to prove it. They have done so to their honor. Those of the Muslim faith have a great challenge over the world. Only they can truly check the poison of hatred that has clothed itself falsely in the robe of Islam, and if you watch closely, this has been happening and will gain speed.

    Rather than fear and condemn these citizens, rather shall we support them as fellow Americans and as fellow travelers in their bid for the American Dream. Fear and ignorance are powerful and dangerous opponents, not to be dismissed. To defeat them we must be united. As a united people, we will defeat them, as regularly as they appear, as history shows they do from time to time.

  • Posted By: GTraynor @ 11/08/2008 1:40:25 AM

    Did you really think towel_heads would vote otherwise....

    • Posted By: Afzaalkhan @ 11/09/2008 10:41:17 AM

      Not all muslims wear turbans and not all ppl who wear turbans are muslim (e.g sikhs, wear turban and have beards) For God sake get the racist rants right, I have np u being racist but atleast get the freaking insult right, GOD the ignorance

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 11/08/2008 4:27:15 PM

      Ok, GT, we get it , you're a racist and enjoy throwing racist terms around for shock value. Enjoy

  • Posted By: huytore @ 11/09/2008 10:30:07 AM

    Election is over,so Obama has been elected the president of states.we have seen lots of motivated speeches in his campaign,we all know that obama is a good communicator........but that will be interesting ,when he will start making policies and what will he do for Afghanistan,the perceptions of muslims much depend on this situation in Afghanistan,because words war is being over now,they want to see speech implementation by Mr President.

  • Posted By: Miss_Lola @ 11/09/2008 9:14:43 AM

    Except my Muslim neighbor...proudly displaying a Mc-P sign on his lawn (it was gone by 7 am Wed, tho!)

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