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  • Posted By: max in fl @ 11/08/2008 12:11:32 PM

    Concerned Canadian

    Why is it always the coffee pot calling the tea kettle black? If you can tell me Rev Wright NEVER was a victim of racism while he served in the Marines and again when he served in the Navy then you can call him a racist.
    If you can tell me that black churches were not created because blacks were not ALLOWED to pray next to white people then you can call him racist. If you can tell me black Chistians were not hung and/or castrated then you can call him racist. The man has lived through the darkest times in America, and you want to play arm chair quaterback and tell people what's what. If Rev Wright only said what was said in the youtube clip and ended the sermon, that would be bad as a pastor. However he did not, he continued to say "for turning its back on its citizens." The sad thing is that Trinity church's member are mostly black but they ALLOW different cultures to join. If they don't, it is because they are uncomfortable with the community topics and/or makeup of its members. As I have read its member are not exclusively black but they do address concerns in their community which is mostly black I presume. If we compare that to churchs today that have to vote to allow blacks to attend, it is clear which church is racist. http://www.djournal.com/pages/archive.asp?ID=226460.

    When a person doesn't like who they are in ANY culture, they will start to self destruct and in the process affect the people around him causing a chain reaction. I just think the black churches have always been a way to stop the negative seed from taking root. When a group is proud of themselves, the community benefits. If the community benefits, then the city benefits and so on. As far as I have seen, Muslims DO NOT have their kids baptized in a Christian church, not matter what theory you can surmise. Here is how Trinity Church describes their history.

    "God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation."
    http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/07/2008 11:33:04 PM

    Perhaps all the "ignorant and stupid" should move to Chicago - where there is a wonderful school system!

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 11/08/2008 10:29:38 AM

      ariziowa

      Arizona STILL ranks last in the smartest state department... unchanged,

      RANK STATE SMART RATING 2005-2006 RANKCHANGE

      50 Arizona -17.61 50 0

      35 Illinois -4.32 32 -3

      http://www.statestats.com/edrank.htm

    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 11/07/2008 11:53:40 PM

      Good one, airz!

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/08/2008 10:06:22 AM

    Thanks to Bill Mauher for this,
    Obama spent 20 years attending a Christian Church which makes him a Muslim, McCain never goes to church which makes him a Christian.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 11/08/2008 10:03:18 AM

    This whole thing was about OIL. Bin Laden saw a cash opportunity we stepped in because we need oil and the fight begins. We can't put the cube in the round cut out. We can't blame ALL muslims for the actions of a few.

    It is as ridulous as finding out that some KKK members were Protestant so now ALL Protestants are labeled racists and have to deny their affiliation or change religions. Imagine the bickering, people claiming your father was Protestant so you are too. It doesn't matter that your father didn't live with you and your mother was Catholic, you are a secret Protestant.

    Move on already.

  • Posted By: amy04790460 @ 11/07/2008 9:10:01 PM

    Oh my god RO in Reno, have you ever read the Koran?

    • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/08/2008 10:00:58 AM

      Enough to know the ten commandment are in all three books, and I've certainly read the bible, the killing never stops, In fact the "we went into the land and killed all who lived there" is likely the first documented genocide.

  • Posted By: MrDuffy @ 11/08/2008 8:34:13 AM

    Well, DUUUH. Of course they did. Boy! Now there's a real suprise. I simply can't imagine what in the world would spark such a movement.
    Still doesn't change the fact that he's a thug.
    A very personable, likable, affable,eloquent, deceiving thug, but still a thug.

  • Posted By: ARusli @ 11/08/2008 4:22:49 AM

    I am perplexed about this accusation that Barack Obama being a Muslim. From what I have read he was brought up by his white mother and grandmother who were presumably Christians. He may have had a Muslim father, but not a practising Muslim from what I gather, but the people who raised and shaped his thinking were Christians. So to me for all intent and purpose he is a Christian.

    Let see, both Angelina Jolie and Madonna adopted children from other, for the lack of better words, I say "races". But the children will be raised in America and the values that will be inculcated to these children will be that of their adoptive parents. Was Barack Obama raised by Muslims, the only Muslim thing about him was his father who deserted him at very early age and lived for a few years in a Muslim country. Does that make children of American expartriates who work in Muslim countries and who may have Muslim housemaids Muslims? Moreover he goes to church to pray, a no no to a believing Muslim.

  • Posted By: GTraynor @ 11/08/2008 1:39:52 AM

    Did you really think towel_heads would vote otherwise....

  • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/07/2008 11:54:42 PM

    Weren't the Republicans making a big issue of Obama being a follower pastor that they said was crazy?


    Ummm.. Muslims don't follow a Pastor.

    • Posted By: shovelbum @ 11/07/2008 11:58:47 PM

      The Black Muslim Movement in the U.S. follows a pastor type person, like Farrakhan. It's funny Rev Wright befriends Farrakhan. There are more black muslims in this country then there are Arab Muslims. Don't be fooled.

      • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/08/2008 12:08:29 AM

        Then why did the pastor in all th evideos the republican campaing show have a big cross on his stage?

  • Posted By: amy04790460 @ 11/07/2008 9:08:32 PM

    Because secular means non practicing just like Jewish Christian means you cmae from Jewish root.s

    • Posted By: ggfuzzy @ 11/07/2008 11:19:10 PM

      You are incorrect, Amy. The words "Jewish" and "Muslim" (as well as "Catholic" and "Christian") refer only to religious affiliation, not to national heritage. The very definition of "secular" is "not pertaining to or connected with religion". Neither the author nor you with your Jewish Christian example are correctly employing the English language, and common usage isn't an excuse for imprecise and/or incorrect verbage.

      • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/08/2008 12:06:09 AM

        Thank you language police. .

  • Posted By: slyfas @ 11/08/2008 12:02:40 AM

    I wish American politics can be devoid of bigotry such as 'race' 'religion' 'sexual orientation' etc. The words of Martin Luther King rings true at this tme, that: "a man should be judged by the context of his character rather than the colour of his skin".

    May God bless Colin Powell for taking up the muslim case during the election. Posterity will ever remember him for his "Meet the Press" interview where he denounced the Right Wing's attempt to equate Islam with treachery and criminality.

    As for the media, their performance in general was below par. Baring those few journalsits on MSNBC who astutely and steadfastly took on the Limburgs of this world by exposing the lies and cynicism of the Republican Party, majority of journalsits just remained impassive in the face of inaccurate submissions. This made those of us who love truth and balanced reporting missed Tim Russert so much during this election. May God repose his soul.

  • Posted By: greatmidwest @ 11/07/2008 11:47:24 PM


    it's great that Arab-Americans exercised their rights to vote for president of the United States. Of course, they have been maligned and wrongly scrutinized because they happened to share the same ethnic background as those who committed the atrocious acts of terror on American soil on 9.11.01. That does not mean that all Arab-Americans are radical terrorists. The 9/11 terrorists were radical Muslims like binLaden. NOT ALL MUSLIMS are radical, nor terrorists. It's just plain wrong to stereotype and discriminate based on race and religion. That's UnAmerican.

    President-elect Obama is not of the Muslim faith, he is of the Baptist faith. But even if Senator Obama were of the Muslim faith who amongst these bloggers on this site is justified in saying that, as an American- born citizen, he cannot be of any other faith aside from America's more familiar Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, Episcopalian, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, and Buddhist faiths...God Bless Americans of all faiths.

  • Posted By: shovelbum @ 11/07/2008 11:30:30 PM

    The muslims wanted Obama elected because they want something from him. Peace perhaps, or more power in the world.. They associate themselves with him, only the lame with believe that Obama is a Christian. He is not. Islam is not like other religions, they believe that if you have a father who is muslim, you are muslim. Obama is muslim, he basically said so himself when asked about his religion he said, "My Islam faith" Good job fellow Americans, just what this country needs, enjoy.

  • Posted By: ariziowa @ 11/07/2008 11:27:18 PM

    No more hate!?! "Ignorant and stupid people? That is a very wonderful line for "Stop the Hate"!

  • Posted By: Stop the hate @ 11/07/2008 10:58:49 PM

    YES, President OBAMA is our President. No more hate, Ignorant and Stupid policies. May be all the Stupid, Ignorant people who still out there need to move to Palin's State.

  • Posted By: fara @ 11/07/2008 9:59:30 PM

    Hi there itsdtruth72, why don't you chill with all this hateful nonsense. So what if he is a Muslim? Which he is not. But what if he were one. The president does not have sole power to institute his policies. And anyway, what exactly are you afraid of?Do you think the thousands of Muslim- American kids are somehow second class citizens or terroists who should be put into concentration camps less they should dream that one day they could be president of their country. You are nothing but a hatemonger, racist, and yes, an ignorant person. BTW, the correct quote is "the Muslim evening prayer is one of the prettiest sounds.." And, truly it is moving. I am so glad we have a President who can relate to different cultures and religions. So don't scare yourself silly. Really, the irony of your ignorance is that you will probably be one of those who will benefit most from an Obama's presidency.

  • Posted By: itsdtruth72 @ 11/07/2008 9:33:02 PM

    Of course the Muslims voted for him- he is a MUSLIM! Attended Islamic school in Indonesia, knows verses from the Koran by heart, official school registration forms as a child list his religion as Islam. He actually said once that the sound of "the Muslim evening call to prayer is one of the most beautiful sounds on earth" Read his own words in Dreams of my Father. The only reason he pretended to be a christian was because the black churches in Chicago are the gateway to politics for black men with political aspirations in that city.

  • Posted By: tk101 @ 11/07/2008 8:48:30 PM

    Interesting article, but a few issues:
    1. The numbers don't mean much unless we compare them to Muslim voters for 1992,1996,2000,2004 so it would be interesting to see those voting numbers.
    2. ""We are the bogeyman now," joked a secular Muslim women last month..." How can you be secular and Muslim?



  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/07/2008 8:46:08 PM

    Given the fact Mohammed was a follower of Christianity and the Koran was written as the Arab version of the Old Testament all this anti Islam verbiage puzzles me.
    Very clear evidence of this is the fact the Koran the Bible and the Torah all contain the Ten Commandments, which like it or not form the very basis of modern law and behavior.
    Like the man said, "the Government has 30,000 laws to enforce just ten"

  • Posted By: RoaringMoose @ 11/07/2008 7:54:17 PM

    You can not argue with stupid people but some times you can enlighten a miss-guided person. The Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVeigh was a self-professed Christian. Do we condemn all Christians? Real Christians do not claim him as one of theirs.
    Self proclaimed Muslims took down the world trade center. Real Muslims do not claim them as theirs. The other thing we should not forget is, real Muslims died in the World Trade Center not to be confused with the self-professed bombers.

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