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  • Posted By: GPeschell @ 11/10/2008 1:05:12 PM

    We can be pretty sure of one foreign policy change to be expected from an Obama administration:

    No needless wars and stop to a diplomacy based on threats and insults (eg: "Axis of Evil", "You're with us or aginst us!"). This alone will improve other countries attitudes towards the United States which will in turn improve their cooperation on vital security matters.

    • Posted By: tbizzle7861 @ 11/10/2008 3:23:38 PM

      No needless wars and stop to a diplomacy based on threats and insults (eg: "Axis of Evil", "You're with us or aginst us!").

      Well genius. Sounds like you have never been out of the country. I have served my country and I have fought in this "Needless War". Let me give you a little bit of advice. You will never understand unless you are standing on the ground there. Do you want to hear about "Threats and Insults". Terrorist threatened that they would fly planes into buildings. Oh, that happened. How about an Insult. Terrorist cut off the heads of over 12 Americas and countless others. Not only that but they put them on the internet for everyone to see. This is the biggest Insult America does to us: "I support the Troops but not the War". If you don't support our cause then we don't need your support. Take it from me junior, you have never been there and you will never understand. If you do want to understand, and I will explain it all for you.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 4:29:08 PM

        Your opinion is not shared by all in uniform. Whlle I respect where you come from I also know that we do not have to support an inept leader. We were led astry and put in the situation where many can't support teh war, yet have to support the kids fighting it.

        Not a good place to be Junior. You are told what to do and think. We are civilians and we are not under any of that. We can look at tragic decisions and call them colossal mistakes.

        • Posted By: tbizzle7861 @ 11/10/2008 4:48:56 PM

          I was never told what to think. I know from being there. Something you will never know. I am not saying that I 100% back Bush, but in order to understand a lot of what happens you have to accually go through it. Something that you are to afraid to do. So you can go ahead and be the king of this little page of comments. Just remember that we give you the freedom to do this.

          • Posted By: onegemini77 @ 11/10/2008 5:43:49 PM

            tbizzle7861. It is very arrogant of you to think just because you have been there boots on the ground that you know more about it then us civilians. I can support the troops without supporting the cause. Now by your comments, it seems only those who have been in the millitary can make decisions on the 'cause' as you put it. You just remember, just because we do not pack a gun and are not on the front lines, does not mean we are not sacrificing ourselves for that 'cause'. Where would our military be without the citizens? The families for them to come home to, the jobs, the homes? Because I work in a bank, Im not qualified to have an opinion on the war? We are ALL soldiers, We ALL contribute to this great country. For you to be-little those who did not serve, is a sign of a small mind. I know many in and out of the millitary who supported Obama.

            We can not stoop to the level of the terrorists. We need diplomacy, we need to lead by example. We will never be 100% safe. However the world is a much more dangerous place when we go it alone. Look at how even President Bush has had to make an about-face on many of his policies (An office opening in Iran...talking to North Korea). We do not see a more peaceful world, we see a world that mistrusts America, while at the same time calling out for us to lead. While here at home our civil liberties have been undermined. It was Benjamin Frankling who once said, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

            When we support our troops and not the war, it means we want our troops to come home ALIVE. We want them to have the right equipment and strategy. We support our troops by wanting to bring them home. We see a failed policy. America supported the troops and the cause for Afghanistan where the attacks on 9-11 originated. It was when Bush sent our troops into Iraq, based on a lie, that we no longer supported the 'cause' but this does not mean we can not support our troops in wanting them safe and returned home to us.

          • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 5:20:52 PM

            My family gave me that freedom. Being in Iraq did not give me any freedom, it gave me worry about how we are going to fix that problem.

            So, I respect soldiers and I respect you for your contribution, and thank you for it. But I am not scared, in fact, I am 46 years old and would probably run out of gas on the battle field. But I am not anymoer scared than anybody would be out there.

            I come from a millitary family, so I do understand more than you think. There was a reaon we didn't finish off the republican guard in the first Iraq visit. Then I thought it was cowardly, after a few years I gained a more thorough understanding of that decision and thought it very wise.

            Your assumption that somebody that does not support little Bush is weak. Just the opposite in my case, I think he was weak, adn very unwise and extremely political at the expense of our country's values. We don't just fight for freedom...

            So, my Grandfather fought in WW1, Father in WW2, brother was left to rot in Nam on the field somewhere. And I can say exactly how I feel because of them.

    • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 1:49:18 PM

      no it won't? you're so naive!

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 3:24:53 PM



        "FATJOEY": If believing that no longer scaring our allies will yeild cooperation, then what do we call your incapacity to relate cause and effect?

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 3:39:27 PM

          Basically, you can't reason with somebody who does not posess the capacity to be reasonable.

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 3:38:22 PM

          We call that DubmFatJoey!

          What else can you say? My sister is a well respected phychologist at Stanford. She told me once, don't be logical with crazy people and expect them to respond logically. That is why they are crazy!

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 2:03:14 PM

        You just don't get it do you???? Okay, let's start over. Go back to school and this time get beyond 7th grade. Bush finally started deplomacy in the last 2 years of his term, thanks to more level headed such as Condi Rice. He started understanding the lesson of the Palestinians and Isrealis. It does not matter how strong you are, they will still kill you and be in the game. It takes more that missles FatJoey!

        In fact, I should regard you are DumbFAtHJoey from now on.

  • Posted By: brydges @ 11/10/2008 4:45:16 PM

    To whats real - So only people that you see fit should have democracy. Typical liberal hypocracy. Thanks to everyone on this blog for making me feel smarter, I have to go back to work now because my Obama check hasn't come yet, see you next time I feel like chatting with retards.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 4:57:54 PM

      Thanks for leaving, now we can talk about real issues, not about the sour grapes that losers are feeding on. The country has spoken!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 4:55:35 PM

      GO Obama!!!!!

      Yes, I am such a liberal, me and Colin Powell, and all of the other conservatives that endorsed Obama. We are all just little weaklings.

      If that helps you to accept your defeat by minimizing it, then stay in denail my little boxed in friend.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 4:50:07 PM

      I meant "sore loser!"

      Sorry, your metanlity is old world and a thing of the past, and for good reason and good riddance!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 4:48:51 PM

      Sore looser!

  • Posted By: brydges @ 11/10/2008 4:28:41 PM

    To Bass Pro thanks for proving my point about uneducated sheepish people. I new there would be plenty reading Newsweek

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 4:42:08 PM

      What happened boo boo? You're starting to slip into one liners. Run out of stuff? If you'd get you head out of Sean Hannity's butt for a few minutes, maybe a little air would get to that pea brain of yours and you'd have an original thought.

      You seem to be adopting FATJOEY's style. have you cleared that with him?

      The proof is in the pudding. You are the best hope for the party of hate. With friends like you, they certainly don't need any enemies.

      II'm out. It's marguarita time.

  • Posted By: Paela @ 11/10/2008 11:45:24 AM

    We are getting a clearer picture of Obama each day in the foreign policy arena. It points to arrogance, weakness, and dishonesty, and this is what we should focus on right now:

    Obama met with Iraq's Maliki in July 2008 and began or tried to negotiate with him BEFORE he was president.

    In July 2008, at the same time the Bush administration was negotiating a still elusive agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, OBAMA TRIED TO CONVINCE IRAQI LEADERS IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, GEORGE W. BUSH, SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO ENACT THE DEAL WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL.

    A few weeks before the Nov. 4 election Obama threw conservative reporters off of his plane.

    In October 2008 VP candidate Joe Biden predicted an international crisis would be staged in 2009 to test Obama after he became president, and predicted that people in the U.S. would not like the way Obama handles it. First time in known history that a VP candidate has made such a prediction about his presidential running mate.

    On Nov. 8, 2008, President-elect Barack Obama's private conversation with Poland's president created an international disagreement, with President Lech Kaczynski saying Obama promised to continue a missile-defense system and the transition office saying the Democrat made no such commitment.



    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 12:27:53 PM

      This is coming from a mouth-breather who is impressed with the Foriegn Policy credentials of Sarah Palin and joe the Plumber?

      • Posted By: tbizzle7861 @ 11/10/2008 4:08:48 PM

        Dude go back to what you know. Beginner level, bass playing. You and your partner, that doesn't know what real is, are a bunch of sheep that are afraid to defend your own country. I don't agree with Fat Joey, but I do know that we never negotiate with terrorist or terrorist countries. Both you guys are afraid. Well let me ask you: what are you going to do when Obama bans all weapons and then this country gets invaded? Are you just going to run right up to the enemy and say that you are on their side? Will you run and hide and hope they go away? And if you don't think it can't happen, you are seriously mistaken. Until you spend time in the war you can just stick to playing Beginner level Bass, and not knowing what is real.

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 4:38:28 PM

          We put Hamas into power unintentionally thopugh a democratic process. How fuking stupid was that move? Ooops, didn't see it coming? Who whould have known? Oh, just about everybody that Bush wasn't listening too. It isn't about negitioating with terrorists, it is about understanding them at a critical level. The crazy thing is there are people taht think you can fight terrorists with conventional tactics. And the administration basically denied strategic plans in place of tactical gains, which in effect rendered a real "war on terror" (as if that ever existed) useless. There is no war on terror in that sense.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 4:36:37 PM

          "but I do know that we never negotiate with terrorist or terrorist countries."

          1. Reagan had no trouble doing that.

          2. Bush wants to negotiate with the Taliban.

          3. Bush negotiated with North Korea.

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 4:19:02 PM

          Not afraid and not stupid. The people that were afraid supported BUsh as he terrorised this country with his fear leveraging. Not afraid, that is so funny!

          What differentiates Bush from a terrorist??? He basically did thier bidding. I am proud that the country stood up and finally said *** that, we are slamming you down. Yuor mentality is that of a child with a badge and a gun.

          The funny thing is many many people that voted for Obama serve in the military and are in Iraq right now. I know some of them, and I support them.

          Funny, how I backed down a guy in a pub that was talking like you. He started calling me a liberal adn weak, and he found out how weak I was. I was so weak that I embarassed him intellectually and most definetly physically..

          Sorry, not afriad, will fight for my rights, adn slam down any punks that talk crap.

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:38:09 PM

      You are so funny!

  • Posted By: Lars-Johan @ 11/10/2008 7:31:43 AM

    @ ariziowa.
    So the United States is comparable to the romans? your country is just a footnote in the history books to come, it has nothing of the longevity of rome, nor does it compare in relative power or influence.

    The United States will be most remebered as a bad example, a country in which all the bad sides of capitalism compounded with religious zeal and widespread ignorance to create the self-serving deathmachine that is the us military. Fortunately for the rest of us it will fall from power pretty soon.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 8:01:59 AM

      The USA compares unfavorably to Rome? I don't see that. How was Rome any different than Nazi Germany? Ethnic cleansing to the enth degree? The only difference i see between the two is that when the Roman empire fell the Chuch was there to continue the carnage.

      Do you think the Italians lament the fact the the USA saved their Country in World 2 and continues to protect them today. I wouldn't think of defending our greed, war mongering and moral lapses but , do you think you'd be living free if it weren't for our military power?

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/10/2008 4:37:52 PM

        "Do you think the Italians lament the fact the the USA saved their Country in World 2 and continues to protect them today. "

        What, by kidnapping people from their country?

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 11/10/2008 2:33:25 PM

    I agree that Obama really shouldn't focus too much on foreign affairs just now. We've got major problems at home that must be his top priority.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 3:41:33 PM

      Not to worry, President Obama can walk and chew gum at the same time.

      We got a in depth look at him on the campaign trail. He's a tireless worker, super analitical and above all calm and collected.

      No plan or policy will slip out of the Oval Office without serious scrutiny and peircing investigation. None of the "shoot from the hip" crap we had with Bush/Cheney.

      The same meticulous care will be maintained with the choice of high level advisors. Reputation alone won't get you in the door with him. He wants to know what you can bring to the table that will help undo the damage the Republicans have done the last 8 years.

      The Republicans have looted our treasury, turned surplus into deficit and corrupted our domestic and foriegn policy. The Republicans have turned us into a laughing stock with those that once respected and trusted us.

      The Republican party of hate now assumes it's rightful place. Relegated to representing only those similarly filled with hate and those they can scare the daylights out of.

      Not now, not ever again!

      • Posted By: Paulj4422 @ 11/10/2008 4:30:36 PM

        Yes there are people filled with hate. There are also people just a little ignorant and some very fearful. What would be the harm of slowing down a little and trying to build bipartisan consensus before we run off half cocked chewing our gum and running when we should be slowing down to a walk and listening to each other for a change.

        I realize that kindness is a quality that wasn't much prized for the last 30 years, and especially the last 8, but is it too late to start? I thought that was part of the platform that we voted for, unity and maturity....

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 3:51:20 PM

        "shoot from the hip" crap we had with Bush/Cheney.? Don't forget to pull your gun out of your holster before your fire it GEORGE, oh SHT! You shot yourself in the foot, and your country in the back!

        You gotta watch when you give a child a gun and a badge! No more POSER POTUS!

        MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 2:37:20 PM

      I believe Obama will tackle many problems at once. That is why he will appoint quality people based on competence, rather than if they are for or againts abortion, or gay rights. Funny how that works, hire people for thier skills, hmmm... Have really not had that happen in our government in a while. Competence, it is a wonderful thing...

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/10/2008 3:56:15 PM

    One last observation before letting go of the politics. As an ex-registered Republican who hadn???t voted for a Democratic presidential candidate between John F Kennedy and Al Gore (really then against Bush) I think it is objective to note that not only have the Republicans demonstrated a total disregard for their responsibility, throughout the Bush-Cheney presidency and all through the McCain-Palin campaign, but that now they are continuing their arrogantly self-focused mentality even after loosing badly, as if they have no conscience and assume that people are gullible and naïve pawns to be manipulated. This behavior is now seen in their irate faulting of each other, in the separate factions maneuvering for control, in their positioning to criticize and offer the Obama admin resistance and in their focus on presenting subterfuge to pressure the new presidency and to set themselves up for future elections, all of this without any sincere concern for the drastic and significant problems at hand or even for what the people think. The Republican Party has come a long way down hill as evidenced by their attitude over the last eight years and in continuing now, where they sociopathically pursue a private agenda for the benefit of Special Interests and a select few and just take the average American for granted in offering them only apathy, the costs and an abundance of subterfuge. The Republican leaders speeches that now challenge Obama to reach across the isle instead of their demonstrating some appropriate extension of cooperation; the ultra conservative core now condemning Obama without waiting and seeing; the continued touting of Sarah Palin by a conservative faction even after the whole world now recognizes her as an empty and unconscionably self-focused entity; their ignoring of their own proven faults that have cost us greatly as they simply attempt to continue their scare and smear tactics; all are just examples of their mentality that says they think they are above accountability and that people can literally be taken for granted. It is a shame but hopefully if a more moderate element focused on honestly and responsibly representing all of the people doesn???t take control, then the people will just continue to give them the message by rejecting them in the voting booths.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 11/10/2008 1:50:39 PM

    JIMMY CARTER IN BLACKFACE!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 3:38:07 PM

      Look at your own face in the mirror....full of hate.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 3:43:26 PM

        DumbFatJoey will not get it. It more fun to just sit back and poke fun at this idiot at his level.

        He DumbFatJoey, go get us some coffee! we are all low, and please hurry this time.

        MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

    • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:54:02 PM

      FATJOEY in a dress!

      • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 2:11:48 PM

        Actually Fatjoey in a pair of pants might be a change in attire for him.

        You can put lipstick on fayjoey but he's still a pig.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/10/2008 3:38:29 PM

          Yes!

        • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 2:26:17 PM

          LMAO!!!

          The nice thing is that we voted down FatJoey and his like last Tuesday, A vote for Obama was a vote against ignorance, and the posers that support it.

          I feel so happy I voted against DumbFatJoey. He is voted out, he is with BUsh in the presidential sewage treatment plant!

          • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 2:41:03 PM

            Dumbfatjoey is just another manure salesman with a mouth full of merchandise

            • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 3:00:48 PM

              A very sad person for sure. He is still stuck in the Jimmy Carter days.

              What really blows me away is how terribly the last 8 yeas have been for this country in every way and you have a bonehead like DFJ spouting this tripe. It is mind boggling. Pretend it didn't happen DumbFatJoey, stay in your box that your hannlers keep you in.

  • Posted By: ClementW @ 11/10/2008 12:00:06 PM

    Take a look at the sudden increase in suicide bombings since 11/05/2008. Just today 38 people died. It sure did not take the 6 months that Sen. Joseph Biden predicted for someone in the world to test President-elect Barack Obama. It did not even take 6 DAYS!!!.

    The Prime Minister of Iraq, feeling his oats, has been demanding the withdrawal of U.S. troops in the time-table set by Mr. Obama during the campaign at the urging of his bosses in Iran. I wonder whether they are going to sign the SOFA agreement soon.

    The voters of the United States decided they wanted change and have WE got change!!!. All this crap about President-to-be Barack Obama having time to tackle foreign policy is just a figment of the imagination of the author of this stupid article. The various commentators are trying to write history before it happens. Most of the chattering experts did not even take history courses in college.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/10/2008 2:56:07 PM

      The bombings are just a continuation of the Shia/Sunni hate that has gone on since the 3rd generation of Islam over succession of the Caliphate. These people are hardly aware of US elections and really expect no change in US policy.
      As for the SOFA, that is a Bush process that is flawed and failed. If Al Maliki refuses to sige, we begin flowing out forces the way we came in, using force. We have more than enough power in the region to effect this. The SOFA actually benefits Al Maliki. It will keep him alive. We leave, he dies.
      Further, the SOFA is being used in place of an actual treaty of Friendship and Co-operation, so that the Neo Cons wouldn't have to submit it to the Senate for Ratification. The problem is not with Al Maliki but his governments not wanting to ratify it. They are treating it like a treaty, whereas we are treating it as a blank check.
      As for the College part, being a retired Military guy and having taught History, the Undergraduate requirements for my Department are slim. I'd prefer that most students have to take both halves of World Civilizations and Both Halves of US History, to include the writing and library research time to put together a paper. They still had to take History to get through. Not much, but I have yet to find any academic institution handing out recognized graduations without the core.
      Given what is on the President's plate, Foreign Affairs is job 4-5. We remain the worlds sole hyperpower.
      What I have asked repeatedly, "What is in the United States Strategic Interest by propping up a Shia Government in Iraq.?" "If we left in 3 years, woulod it be measurably different than if we left in 16 months?"
      We have had 5+ years to equip and train an Iraqi Army and police force. While this was horribly mismanaged, wounds were reopened that 20 years of U.S. troops won't be able to close now.
      The SOFA is just in the haggling phase.
      What Iraq wants is no more Mercenaries shooting up their streets. Blackwater and other contractors have acted irresponsibly and often illegally, covered only by Coalition Provisional Order 17.
      If we leave Iraq beginning tomorrow, and it descends into the abyss, they will only be killing themselves. We are spending $5000 a second policing people who want to murder each other, with virtually no upside.
      I would rather be squeezing Pakistan until they give me Bin Laden.
      Osama is likely sitting in a Villa in Rawalpindi, more valuable to the ISI than their nuclear stockpile, while we pay Mr. 10%, a Saudi Stooge, $3bln a year to ostensibly look for him.
      Noone is testing Obama, our enemies are playing Bush like a fiddle. You are dropping dimes in the jukebox.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 11/10/2008 3:06:46 PM

        Forgive the typos as well, I can hardly read the grey stuff through my bifocals.
        (Dear Newsweek, spend a Nickle on updating the posting window. I could even use a spellchecker to undo a few of my own gooberisms.)

  • Posted By: trixie02 @ 11/09/2008 6:15:45 PM

    Comment: I am very encouraged that we will see the US under President obama head in a different foreign policy direction. I tink the Obama ream will draw together our allies in developing a coherent way of dealing with the worlds problems.
    I believe we will see the obama team move quickly to withrdrawl our troops from Iraq. The situation there seems to be stable enough that we can maintain a minimal presence.
    I also think we will see Obama step up our presence in Aphganistan. The situatioin there is bleak and we are in danger of losing the war.
    Finally, I think we will work closely with our Eurpean allies to exert more econmic pressure on Iraq to end their nuclear aspirations. I think McCain would have been trigger happy and bombed Iran leaving us with another mideast was
    First, I think Obama will draw down our forces in Iraq at a quick pace. These forces can be better deployed in P

    • Posted By: ClementW @ 11/10/2008 12:36:16 PM

      Everyone is talking about "Our Allies" and what President Obama will be doing to repair our relationships with "Our Allies" and the rest of the world. Please remeber what a British politician said a long time ago. I do not remember the exact words of the quote. He said something to the effect that "Nations have neither friends nor enemies. They have interests."
      I doubt very much that the nations of the world including our so-called allies will forget that they have interests and as we have seen with our "allies", they have repeatedly taken our money but have done very little to assist in goals that would benefit even them. Shortsightedness in foreign policy and forgetting the principle of "Nations have neither friends nor enemies. They have interests." is what has been ignored repeatedly by well-meaning people who believe that everyone thinks like them.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 11/10/2008 2:21:53 PM

        Ok, then what exactly is our national interest in Iraq?

  • Posted By: perrin @ 11/09/2008 3:33:43 PM

    Don't for a minute fool yourself into believing our new President will consider the past as a window to look through towards the future of this country. President Obama is not your typical voice in the crowd. When he speaks, people are inspired by his message and his aspirations for this great country of ours. Rest assured, we have much to learn from him. Your characterization of the worlds problems barely scratch the surface. and are but a sound bite away from oblivion. Barack Obama does not talk in short shallow sound bites, instead he speaks to the heart of the people and he will use that human connection in his foreign policy. So far, the former administrations approach to world policy issues (including democrats) falls miserably short
    of even the the easiest ones to solve. We can no longer view the rest of the world as "The rest of the world".
    We must view it as "The rest of humanity". There will be pessimistic people who will read this and think I am wearing blinders, I assure you I am aware of the state of our world, a world in which just a day ago a thirteen year old girl was buried up to her neck and stoned to death for being raped and bringing so called "Dishonor" to her family. This fabled based frame of mind will not be tolerated in an Obama Administration. We have much to offer the world in the way of human rights education, and the rest of our world knows it full well. Dispair not, we are in good hands.......

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/09/2008 6:27:18 PM



      Couldn't agree more with both of you.

      • Posted By: sgarrisonNC @ 11/10/2008 2:14:29 PM

        The abuse of women in muslim countries is a horror that cries out for justice. But understand, the countries that not just allow but encourage or even mandate these atrocities are the very ones that Obama intends to "negotiate" with. I'm sorry, but I don't recall even a passing mention by Obama over the last months of this issue.

  • Posted By: Omnius @ 11/10/2008 12:03:12 PM

    The mistake that JFK made on the Bay of Pigs was that he showed too much deference to Eisenhower and followed through on Eisenhower's idiotic invasion plan. A lesson to Obama is to not show any deference to "Dunce" Bush and to scrap every one of his plans going forward.

    Right now It's The Economcy Stupid and Obama has to focus on getting our economy straightened out by killing all "Dunce" Bush's tax cuts so he can establish his own. After Obama gets the economic plans done then he needs to turn to foreign policy. He needs to be more even handed in dealing with the Isrealis and Palestinians. He needs to pull our troops out of Iraq and get more into Afghanistan. He needs to do some serious nation building in Afghanistan to undo the biggest mistake that "Warmonger" Bush made.

    I am so laughing at the pathetic attempts of the repugnant ones posting here trying to revise history. Obama did not negotiate with Maliki before the elections, that's just trying to put Ronny Raygunz's sin of dealing with the Iranian hostage takers on Obama. I also laugh at them whining that Obama threw off conservative reporters off his plane, he should have done it at 30,000 feet to improve the reporter gene pool.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/10/2008 2:03:46 PM

      What I would add for you is that the invasion plans actually changed to the bay of pigs after Nixon lost. The previous site was far more favorable for an amphib operation. Also look up "Operation Northwoods" to add to the mix. Kennedy was set up fat to fall, and it was actually Dick Nixon. After Ike's stroke, he let Nixon handle a lot of things assuming he'd win after the good governance of the Ike years. When Nixon lost, a lot of plans went to "Annex (B)" and Kennedy did not get the best intel.
      Likewise, During the Iran hostage crisis, Carter got crap work from the CIA, while Ross Perot was able to arrange ratlines to get his people out. (Read Ken Follet's "On Wings of Eagles.")
      There are lots of partisans inside the nations intelligence services. Always have been and always will be.
      President Obama would be wise to seek broad counsel and depend on agencies for less analysis and more raw data. There are tons of patriots who put country first inside these agencies, but there only needs to be one bad apple...

  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/10/2008 1:58:35 PM

    FATJOEY thinks becuase somebody is intellligent that they are weak. He learned in elementary school from the bullies that used to take his lunch money. Got news for you FJ, Not that way anymore. Your mentality is a thing of the distant past. Very weak, can't think beyond your next doughnut.

  • Posted By: ClementW @ 11/10/2008 12:38:34 PM

    Everyone is talking about "Our Allies" and what President Obama will be doing to repair our relationships with "Our Allies" and the rest of the world. Please remember what a British politician said a long time ago. I do not remember his name or the exact words of the quote. He said something to the effect that "Nations have neither friends nor enemies. They have interests."
    I doubt very much that the nations of the world including our so-called allies will forget that they have interests and as we have seen with our "allies", they have repeatedly taken our money but have done very little to assist in goals that would benefit even them. Shortsightedness in foreign policy and forgetting the principle of "Nations have neither friends nor enemies. They have interests." is what has been ignored repeatedly by well-meaning and ideologically naive people who believe that everyone thinks like they do.

  • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/09/2008 10:00:28 PM

    Obama is not going to change anything when it comes to the way the world is today. Nobody can change it. Countries maybe can change and event or stop a single group from continuing the behavior they bring forward, but they always have and always will come back in another form. When talking about the middle east we are talking about a religious war or divide that has been going on since the beginning of mankind and will never stop. Terrorists, Iran whoever you want to talk about has one goal and that is to wipe certain groups of people of the face of the planet. They may sit and down and talk with Obama, but they would only do it to hide their true goal. Terrorists or Bin Laden, whoever you want to put in that group could care less about a diplomatic resolution becuase that is not in their dictionary. WE can get as many allies or countries on our side and restore what the rest of the world thinks of us which so many of you are so worried about for some reason, but it won't matter. We can either think we are so smart and take time to judge and blah blah blah, but guess what? They will attack again and then again and it will never end. So we can either be pro-active and protect this country or sit back, talk and be reactive. Problem is the next time we may not have a chance to be reactive because the next time will make 9/11 look like a slap in the face. Obama is no savior or messiah...he is just another extreme-left liberal democrat who ran a great campaign. he has done nothing to prove he can do anything. Until he does, quit licking his ass like he is some god.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/10/2008 12:13:45 PM



      "marley07": What is this preoccupation you have with ass licking?

  • Posted By: 771979 @ 11/10/2008 7:22:41 AM

    USA is in such a massive economic quagmire that it presumptuous to give a green signal to Barack Obama to achieve his economics, financial and fiscal goals in his first term. He must save every cent that is wasted fighting illegal wars around the world and supporting Zionist Israel aggression in Palestine. First of all, Obama has to withdraw from Iraq much sooner than later and save over 12-15 billion dollars a month American tax-payers money wasted in Iraq as well as giving Israel annually over eight billion dollars as free handout and further ten billion dollars in military aid.

    He must also tell the American Jews that they are American citizen and not Israelis and that US cannot economically afford to fight proxy wars for Israel and wreck its diplomatic relations with the Arabs for long. American Jews will not be able to control or direct US foreign policy in favour of Israel as in the past and that it will be based on justice and fairness to all sides. Israel has to stop building illegal settlements on Palestinians land and bomb them with smart and missiles by F16sas and when they wished. He must tell the Palestinians to achieve peace with Israel and stop violence against her innocent people.

    If Barack Obama wants to bring peace in the Middle East , and between the Israelis and Palestinians, he must get himself new glasses and throw away the old ones made in Israel by the American Jewish Lobby for the Israeli Zionist Jews and worn in the past by every US administration's foreign policy makers, and look for the first time at the peace process both from the Israelis and Palestinians vision of justice and fairness. As long as Mr Obama surrounds himself with American-Suffocating -Jewish-Lobby, justice will not come to the Palestinians and the violence will never end. USA must stop its vertical support for the Zionist Israelis to achieve peace for the world . Instead, American politicians chasing American Jewish votes to win elections.

    • Posted By: scott63 @ 11/10/2008 9:56:09 AM

      yeah your so smart 771979 it's those damn jews that are the cause of everthing, and muslims and arabs worldwide will live in peace and prosperity if we could just eliminate them. This kind of stupidity permeates the arab world and Americans will never take them or there plight seriously as long as they cling to this rasist brainwashed crap.

  • Posted By: Paulj4422 @ 11/10/2008 9:45:29 AM

    Agree about the typos, Basspro. Didn't get confirmation that my post had cleared and there is no spell check. I am kind of new at this commenting thing so bear with me.

  • Posted By: Paulj4422 @ 11/10/2008 9:42:56 AM

    I agree whole-heartedly with this article. But not entirely because there are things blocking action, or that actions are underway. My view is that America for the first time since 2002 has wide support in the world and at home and President-Elect Obama has the sublime luxury of waiting to listen. He can be patient while new bi-partisan and world-wide consnsus forms around the main thrusts of his/our goals and dreams. He doesn't need to reverse President Bush on day one, nor does he need to make a big splash in the tired old political way. He can put aside impatient immaturity and wait for the nation and the world to help him solve the problems. He doesn't have to do it himself. He has a grateful nation, congress, indeed the whole inteernational community just waiting to help him. We must avoid the tempation of making the same old mistakes that have plagued us in the past, of impetuously deciding to impose our ideology on others.

  • Posted By: Lars-Johan @ 11/10/2008 8:55:17 AM

    @ bass pro
    Thanks i accept.
    It might be said that it is your duty to protect the rest of us from threats that you have summoned yourself.
    By supporting the israelis in all that they have done, despite the protest of the international community, you (allong with your cronies in the country that addicted china to opium and enslaved india) have created the middle-eastern problem. By aiding the "white" side in the russian civil war of the 20s, and intimidating the soviet union by slaying hundreds of thousands of japanese civilians through the press of a button, you have had no small part in creating that schism.By supplying arms, finance and training to the tyrranical armies of Chiang Kai Chek you also added to the suffering of the chinese people.
    This is not support for the likes of Stalin and Mao, only an objective aknowledgement of the fact that you contributed to their rise to power by intervening on the side of the autocrats that they replaced. Let me also remind you that you put both Pinochet and Saddam hussein in power.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 9:36:17 AM

      Ok Lars, in fairness, Most of the history you've recited in the above post is by in large true. Many of us in this country hate some of the things we've done. The Iraq war was cooked up using phony evidence to fool the world into supporting it. More than halp of our citizens have canned the GOP party of hate in response to that and other misdeeds.

      A few of your claims are not true. China's opium trade existed before America was colonized unless you're accusing the American Indian of addicting China you're wrong on this point. As for India, the Brittish imported their Opium but even the brittish are responsible for addicting India. India, the worlds largest Democracy, even today licanses the cultivation of Opium.

      As for supporting Israel, many agree with you there also. I don't , Israel needs our protection. What we don't need to do is to support Israel in all that they do. If they want our support, they must reach out where they can to their neighbors to find peaceful ways to coexist. No one can argue that peace will come while Isral is allow their citizens to expand settlements on land that isn't theirs.

      All so that said, the USA is the only hope and protection for free peoples of the world. You may hate our war machine and you may despise the bullying we do but if we weren't here things would not be better for you country. That's it i'm going fishing. A little friendly advice, don't paint the people of a country ith the same brush you would paint our elected officials who have failed with. Consider what Europe would be like today if America would have been defeated by the Nazis and the Japanese.

      • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 9:40:43 AM

        please excuse the typos. My screen shows the comment fonts in gray and are hard to read to edit.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/10/2008 9:01:55 AM

      These comments by Lars-Johan have been bought to you by the United States of America and all of those with the courage to defend themselves and those that lack the courage to do so for themselves.

  • Posted By: Paulj4422 @ 11/10/2008 9:37:18 AM

    I agree whole-heartedly with this article. But not entirely because there are things blocking action, or that actions are underway. My view is that America for the first time since 2002 has wide support in the world and at home and President-Elect Obama has the sublime luxury of waiting to listen. He can be patient while new bi-partisan and world-wide consnsus forms around the main thrusts of his/our goals and dreams. He doesn't need to reverse President Bush on day one, nor does he need to make a big splash in the tired old political way. He can put aside impatient immaturity and wait for the nation and the world to help him solve the problems. He doesn't have to do it himself. He has a grateful nation, congress, inddeed the whole inteernational community just waiting to help him.

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