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  • Posted By: rheajack @ 11/11/2008 1:44:19 PM

    Education has alot to do with the desire to have an intelligent President with sound politices. The rich also know that it's just a matter of time before GWB's reckless style of GOP leadership would come around to bite them too. If the middle class becomes poor, it's just a matter of time before the rich lose money and society as a whole plummets. America, as a whole, is on the brink of devastation because of the GOP. A little bit of extra wealth today from lop-sided tax benefits, is NOT worth total devastation tomorrow.

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 11/10/2008 7:25:58 PM

    There is no pro-abortion,everybody respects the seriousness of the issue,the moral doubts.

    It is not just a surgery.

    I am against the attitude of leftist Dems,who offend religious people & mock their concerns...

    However,there is no issue until the 12th week.

    There is no life,no brains,no heart,no "soul ",no person.

    That is the scientific truth.

    America is a secular state. No...Islamic Law,no...Catholic /Evangelical Law...

    • Posted By: MicheleC1 @ 11/10/2008 9:32:27 PM

      Hate to tell you there is a heart beat by 30 days. Do your research. There is a person.

      • Posted By: mlhoenig @ 11/11/2008 1:42:46 PM

        Oh, boo-hoo; there's a heart.

        The heart is a muscle, nothing more.

        Without a functioning brain - a mind - there is no person

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/11/2008 1:04:24 AM

      Birth control has been around for 100 years and with it the option to have a child when one wants a child, the best way to end abortion is to be pro-contraception. Statistically 95% of abortions are being done as birth control, not the best choice in this day and age.

    • Posted By: MicheleC1 @ 11/10/2008 9:33:59 PM

      The heart that you say does not exist starts beating at 30 days. Do your research. That is scientific truth.

  • Posted By: hoping for change @ 11/11/2008 1:41:45 PM

    The wealthy are socially liberal. Bush has insulted any open minded, intelligent person with his draconian social policies. carol from ohio

  • Posted By: gary goldbladt @ 11/11/2008 1:32:02 PM

    A Democratic Administration portends more transparancy, and a system of rules. The affluent are smarting from the Anarchism practiced by the Republican Right wing.
    We will all be better off when the Republicans are out.

  • Posted By: miriamac @ 11/11/2008 1:26:52 PM

    What are rich people thinking?
    Country First!

  • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/11/2008 1:17:46 PM

    For those of you so convinced his energy plan will work: Read this article:

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/105385-obama-s-half-baked-green-obsession

  • Posted By: richardmyers @ 11/11/2008 1:15:49 PM

    The idea that voting Democrat makes a wealthy person a traitor to their class is absurd. The Democrats and the Republicans are the two branches of the money party, and both of them routinely exclude all other parties from a place at the table. From my working class perspective, Dems are preferable to Republicans. But not by that much.

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 11/11/2008 12:31:55 PM

    Diversion from the subject,the plague of all threads...

    Some comments here are interesting,some freakish...

    I am sorry to find so few centrists...

    Most commentators come from the extreme left & a few from the extreme right.

    The leftwingers say that socialism is good & it works,the rightwingers lament & make doomsday predictions...

    Let's agree that this thread represents well the new ...Congress...

  • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/10/2008 10:11:55 PM

    Why don't we just have all businesses not be able to make a profit. Any profit goes to the government. All wages will be the same for everyone and then all the profits from all the companies split up evenly across the population. There will be no need to work hard. There will be no such thing as success. You will hav no better opportunity than anyone else. Just a plain level playing field for all. Is that what all of you Obama suppoerters want?

    • Posted By: Sunshine17 @ 11/11/2008 1:05:28 AM

      That's not what Obama supporters want at all. I don't know where you're getting those radical ideas from. Actually, though, what you're describing is exactly what happens in the state of Alaska, where oil profits every year are divided up and distributed to every citizen. Sarah Palin is governor of the most socialistic state in this country. Is that what those of you who voted for her want for the rest of us? I don't, which is one of many reasons why I voted for Obama.

      • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/11/2008 12:31:52 PM

        obviously i do not want that either, but that is the fine line we are walking. You can't have both. Apparently i should have bought a house that i could never afford and not been responsible and paid my mortgage becuase i would be off the hook now. My point is, either be accountable for yourself and live within the rules or just give up and let the government take care of you. I will take making my own choices and be accountable for myself over the governemnt doing anything for me any day of the week.

    • Posted By: Sunshine17 @ 11/11/2008 1:02:56 AM

      No, Marley, that's not what Obama supporters want at all. I don't know where you're getting those ideas from. What you're describing, however, is exactly what happens in the state of Alaska every year, where oil profits are divided up and distributed to every Alaska citizen. Sarah Palin is governor of the most socialistic state in the country. Is that what those of you who voted for her want for the rest of us? It's not what I want--that's just one of many reasons why I voted for Obama.

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 11/11/2008 12:55:10 AM

      Actually no, we Obama supporters would like intelligence to be a job requirement for our political leaders and the Republicans keep offering up these weak minded candidates.

  • Posted By: eddienix @ 11/10/2008 9:41:22 PM

    Ironically, dealing with our current economic mess could involve giving tax cuts to the wealthy. But this is not possible (or at least extremely risky) as the government is already strapped for funds as the national deficit approaches $1 trillion. The conscientious, wealthy voters of the blue states seem to understand this. The national psychology -- economic psychology -- has shifted from the me to the we. Moreover, such tax cuts perhaps would not do much in the current climate, while lending institutions are too scared to lend money. Bush and his team and the Republicans as a whole have managed the economy through a few over-simplified core values: low taxes and low government spending, what is good for big business is good for the economy, every American should own a home, the government should (for the most part) stay out of the workings of the business world (including funding new technologies like stem cell research and alternative energies), etc. That kind of managing philosophy works for awhile, if it can be achieved at all (low government spending has never been achieved under the past few Republican adminstrations), but it has ultimately lead, as many had foreseen, to the problems we now face. Now the markets can not be left to themselves to work things out. Now things are clearly very bad. When the entire U.S. auto industry faces extinction, now is not the time to cut taxes for the top 5% and sit back and let things work themselves out laissez-faire style. The Republicans let things get out of hand perhaps because they were afraid of the political consequences of raising taxes and raising interest rates necessary to prevent inflation, help the dollar keep its value and cool down the previously insanely over-heated housing market. They were afraid to (or didn???t care to) put the brakes on the housing market especially as well as other markets that were bullish, but clearly headed for a bubble burst.

    The consequence is, among other things, the Republicans lose power. Some saw this coming. Some didn???t. The point is it???s time for someone who believes in government to solve problems other than merely the problems in Iraq and Tblisi. That time is now. Help us Mr. Obama, you may be our only hope. Don???t merely be a politician. The Bush era was the era of politics over governing. It was the era of winning at the political game rather than managing the health of the nation for now and for the future. That time is over. Now is the time for real solutions, we hope and pray.

    • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/10/2008 10:23:19 PM

      Bush and his team have been by no means perfect, but when in the world are people going to realize that this housing mess/credit crisis was not caused by Bush and republicans. Seriously it is amazing how people ignore the facts and listen to the media. Frank, Dodd, Greenspan, Schumer, Fannie and Freddie are the main cause of this problem. You can go back and look it up who was behind it all. This started brewing way before Bush took office.

      • Posted By: Sunshine17 @ 11/11/2008 1:07:06 AM

        The housing bubble expanded and burst under his administration's watch, Marley. There's no denying that.

        • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/11/2008 12:28:01 PM

          just like Clinton got praise for the economy during his admin as he walked into one of if not the biggest boom we have seen. This mess was created before Bush took office, it just happened to burst during his time. This would have happened no matter who was president.

  • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/11/2008 12:10:43 PM

    Well apparently I am was doing the wrong thing paying my mortgage and working hard to recieve a high income. Now they are reseting mortgage payments and now I will get taxed more for doing well. It looks like now we all should have purchased a house way over our heads that we could never afford and not try and achieve anything by working hard and becoming successful to get paid well. Shame on me for being responsible and holding myself accountable.

  • Posted By: El BTJ @ 11/11/2008 8:35:45 AM

    I think you're (wiilfully, perhaps) ignoring education level as a factor in party affinity. (I also think you've incorrectly characterized Obama's attitude toward those making over $250K by using the word "ridicule." He often points out that he belongs to this category, as well, and states admiration for those who have achieved financial success.)

    Back to education level: speaking as someone in the $250K+ income level, we generally hold intelligence in high regard. Many of us (most, probably) achieved success not through trust funds, but rather by working our way up from modest backgrounds, beginning by securing a high quality education. The GOP has become profoundly anti-intellectual, almost anti-intelligence in its public positioning. Although you've thrown the label "populist" at the Democrats, the Republicans have essentially become a religious populist party, and this isn't very appealing to well-educated people, who, coincidentally, tend to have high incomes.

    People with high incomes also tend to travel a lot, and have seen with their own eyes that a more open, tolerant, and compassionate society is possible. These observations tend to make the religiously-inspired social conservatism of the Republican party particularly unattractive.

    • Posted By: rabprevent @ 11/11/2008 12:03:42 PM

      ELBFT,
      thank you for your post, i agree that the republicans have made a living of the uneducated by spreading fear and smearing their oponents all the while placing many average inteligent people in the whitehouse. take their nomination of bush and mccain as a prime example of that and they were more than willing to ridicule a man who put himself thur school on student loans as an elitist making it seem as if being educated is stupid. when you go back and look at the hold they have had on the working class particularly the less educated, you can see why they have won so many elections. I personally will never vote for someone who seems to signal that because they are more educated than me, they do not represent me, bush got us nowwhere and we are paying the price for his ignorance lord knows only for how long. Again, thank you for your thoughts

    • Posted By: Willian C DeMuth @ 11/11/2008 9:20:29 AM

      I was pleasantly pleased to read a reflection of my own thoughts in this comment.

      I would like to add that the percentage of right wing religious extremists who voted was down significantly. Seems the bible thumpers would have preferred a Pallin McCain ticket.

      In 2012, when they nominate a true right wing zealot, the battle to embrace rationality and intellect, and reject Bronze Age superstitions shall once again be fought

  • Posted By: rabprevent @ 11/11/2008 11:53:51 AM

    dailyprophet,
    i must that i am very impress with your thoughts and agree with them 100%. Clearly, you are a thinking person and that is always great to hear particularly since i have similar thoughts as well. thanks for your post

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 11/10/2008 6:47:35 PM

    Unfortunately,the populist notion of distributionism,which is the cradle of socialism,is alive &...kicking...

    • Posted By: OhioGal @ 11/11/2008 10:36:08 AM

      Teddy Roosevelt, a conservative Republican, was the president who introduced the progressive tax brackets. He also set saved large tracts of land in the west as National Forests. Today the Republican party would call him a socialist marxist.

  • Posted By: dailyprophet @ 11/11/2008 10:31:59 AM

    I think this makes sense. It's too easy to say the rich are voting against their interests. Taxes are just one aspect of keeping (or sharing) your wealth. Anyone looking at the state of our economy and infrastructure will admit that paying higher taxes for the last 8 years under a less disastrous administration might have been a good investment and we might have been better off, despite higher taxes, or, as I would say, because of them. So this is just the final, logical chapter of the Republicans and Bush alienating their most loyal constituency. I would also say that the more well-to do people tend to also be more educated, and if you're educated it was impossible to dismiss Obama as just another socialist. You had to be in awe of his competence and intellect, which so starkly stood out against George Bush.

  • Posted By: betweenthelines50 @ 11/11/2008 10:31:10 AM

    A flat tax would be welcome.

  • Posted By: offshore250 @ 11/10/2008 6:56:23 PM

    The idea that anyone voted for Obama for the reasons you cited are wrong. Obama got votes because the media that is controlled by the far left have been bashing Bush, free enterprise, and capitalism for 8 years and have convinced the easily manipulated entitlement crowd that America is evil and that all things bad that happen in the world is America's fault. Never has a country been so betrayed by its own. In addition, the media graciously did not reveal what Obama really is. The media made a big deal that a black man got elected. The really big deal (and completely ignored) is that a marxist got elected. African Americans did exactly the opposite of what Martin Luther King said this country should evolve to: "the content of character is what should matter, not the color of his skin." How many voted for him because of skin color? But how could anyone vote based on character because the media did not bother to tell all they knew about him. By the time the "folks" learn, it will be too late!

    • Posted By: OhioGal @ 11/11/2008 10:30:38 AM

      Big business owns the media and big business tends to vote Republican. All of the major networks are owned by large corporations so I get really tired of hearing how the extreme left controls the media.

      I get the impression you don't actually know what marxism is.

    • Posted By: Rocker68 @ 11/10/2008 9:58:00 PM

      It is amazing that you know exactly how many black people voted for Obama because of his skin color. I am quite sure you know exactly how many people voted for McCain because of his skin color, right? Geez, us dum ol democrats shoulda been runnin' a black candidate all these years.

    • Posted By: mrjungles @ 11/10/2008 7:42:48 PM

      Super ok then. So I guess the only reason everyone that voted for Bush the last two times did so, was because they all listened to Rush Limbaugh, and he convinced those same 'idiots' to vote for a Republican? Or are you saying that we would all ALWAYS vote republican unless we are somehow all mass hypnotised by the SVENGALI LIBERAL MEDIA... That's quite the non-grip on reality you have there. NEWSFLASH -The Reagan Revolution has run it's course. Simply cutting taxes every year from now until the end of time, will not right the world's ills. sorry.

  • Posted By: greguva @ 11/11/2008 10:14:02 AM

    It is incredibly gratifying to see so many members comment to the fact that they're willing to pay a little more for the common good. I will end up paying more under Obama, and I voted for him anyway. My kids go to a public school with a very diverse population ethnically, socially and economically. Some of my sons' friends come to school hungry because their parents can't afford to provide breakfast, but because of limited federal funding, they don't qualify for free lunch in the school. If I have to pay a few thousand more dollars so that those kids can go through a school day on a full stomach,I will consider it a worthwhile investment.

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 11/11/2008 10:12:14 AM

    Absolutely; I make enough money to benefit more from a Republican administration when it comes to taxes, but as I watch the freeways crumble and the schools fail, I gladly pay more taxes to make America great again. My wealth will always be redistributed under any president, but I would rather that money stay here rather than fund wars of questionable intent and legality.

  • Posted By: tomsyrac @ 11/11/2008 10:06:36 AM

    A progressive tax system is time long American tradition. Those who make more can afford to pay more, therefore, bearing the larger burden of the tax system. Jeremyvanholden, are you suggesting that we cut the taxes of the top 1% and increase the taxes of the bottom 50% (i.e. you)? Doesn't sound fair to me to give tax relief to does who don't need it and nothing to does who do.

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