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  • Posted By: Initech @ 11/12/2008 4:50:50 PM

    Why is it that women only own their bodies when it comes to abortion (constitutionally protected)? Why do they not posess the same ownership of their bodies if they choose to lease portions of their bodies for short periods of time? Nobody is talking about "buying" women. Buying is permanent, leasing is temporary. I suspect the author chose that word intentionally because it is much more dramatic and conjures up images of slavery. At the end of the day, prostitution is a business transaction. If women truly own their bodies, isn't the ability to buy, sell or lease something the ultimate determination of ownership. Keep all your laws off my body, not just the ones you agree with.

  • Posted By: dimitra @ 11/12/2008 4:50:49 PM

    There will always be prostitution so long as there are men & women for that matter who are sexually unsatisfied either alone or in their "legitimate" relationships. It is actually very honest, hard work. I think prositutes need to be protected by the state & not prosecuted. In fact, prostitutes should recognized as "sex workers" , unionized, issued health insurance & in short protected from the many hazards they are exposed to daily especially as street workers. Unfortuantely, these women in filling a very real social need are often abused by men. There needs to be a lot more educatio in the US regarding sex workers role & rights.

  • Posted By: nickgr @ 11/12/2008 4:50:35 PM

    Prostitution must be legalised.

    It is a service,lika a massage or physiotherapy...

    Spitzer is a centrist,for NY standards.

    Made a major mistake,paid for it with resignation. & personal humiliation

    A fallen angel who can come back...

    No sympathy for prostitutes,they do that profession because they like it .

    As long as there are clients,there will be prostitutes around.

    I.e... till the end of time...

  • Posted By: stephcap @ 11/12/2008 4:50:15 PM

    This is just another case that shows people in high power are above the law, so really whats the point in having the laws if only a select number of people have to follow them? in the past few years the wind has been taken out of my sails when it comes to political figures and celebrities getting off with a slap on the hand. crazy thing is if the roles were flipped and it was elliot spitzer's daughter that was involved there would be a huge uproar and heads would spin but since its a political man well then lets just look the other way. the whole system is terrible and makes me ashamed and scared that people like the DOJ are suppose to keep us safe, they can't even keep us safe from political officials so good luck with that one!

  • Posted By: dimitra @ 11/12/2008 4:49:44 PM

    There will always be prostitution so long as there are men & women for that matter who are sexually unsatisfied either alone or in their "legitimate" relationships. It is actually very honest, hard work. I think prositutes need to be protected by the state & not prosecuted. In fact, prostitutes should recognized as "sex workers" , unionized, issued health insurance & in short protected from the many hazards they are exposed to daily especially as street workers. Unfortuantely, these women in filling a very real social need are often abused by men. There needs to be a lot more educatio in the US regarding sex workers role & rights.

  • Posted By: lionelfuhrman @ 11/12/2008 4:48:32 PM

    It is very dangerous when the great powers are given permission to call Human Trafficing "Travel Dates". Charging Spitzer with his crime would have sent a powerful message that this country has respect for people, that it is not okay to prey on those who feel they have no other option than prostitution. Nobody comes into this world dreaming of being a prostitute when they grow up. It is something pursued out of desperation. It was said that the justice department felt Spitzer had suffered enough and did not want to "kick him when he was down" What was Mr. Spitzer doing by participating in Human Trafficing? Or does it not matter because he is rich and from a prominent family?

  • Posted By: TalkSoup @ 11/12/2008 4:48:18 PM

    I don't think you need to hang the guy or anything, but why shouldn't he be charged and prosecuted the same as any regular John would?

    But of course it's a double standard. Anyone who thinks Americas' justice system is fair needs a mental check up.

  • Posted By: Charles III @ 11/12/2008 4:46:40 PM

    You pay people to wash your car, clean your house, trim your trees, cut your grass, make your food, but can't pay them for intercourse. If you believe this for religious reasons, then I respect that. If you are just a liberal, feminist, whose "God" is gender equality, then get over yourself and find something productive to do. I bet you dollars to donuts the author is in the second group.

  • Posted By: cleelums @ 11/12/2008 4:40:23 PM

    Is he a Democrat? Usually when someone from the Republican party does something unethical the first line would read: "Republican (so and so) was indicted today...". Well is he a Democrat?

    • Posted By: zootspiker @ 11/12/2008 4:44:11 PM

      obviously a democrat. it was with an adult woman not a male minor

  • Posted By: cleelums @ 11/12/2008 4:44:00 PM

    Is he a Democrat? You can tell that he's a Democrat, because no media discuss his party. It's only when the Republicans are unethical do you hear? "Senior Republican (so-and-so) did something illegal, according to undisclosed and unverifiable sources"

  • Posted By: briana517 @ 11/12/2008 4:42:12 PM

    We have very current presidents that have broken the law at some point in their lives and we didn't rake them over the coals. Let the law deal with this man as it should. He and his family will be dealing with this for a long time. The public should only deal with this at the polls.

  • Posted By: agitated1 @ 11/12/2008 4:40:36 PM

    If it is against the law to hire a prostitute in New York, why should a public offical be above the law, when an average Joe would be prosecuted? Looks to me like, two sets of rules, one for the haves, and one for the have-nots. Not much differant than the reat of society. Not much to say for our society, is it.

  • Posted By: briana517 @ 11/12/2008 4:39:30 PM

    The guy is human. He's taking enough grief from his family over this. Sure, it's breaking the law, but both Bush and Cheney have convictions in their backgrounds, and they were where? We let President Clinton off the hook. Let the law do it's thing and go on with life. The public can choose to reelect him or not. That should be our only real response.

  • Posted By: X-man @ 11/12/2008 4:39:01 PM

    Water under the bridge, babe.

  • Posted By: atc333 @ 11/12/2008 4:36:08 PM

    The rich and famoujs get off, the rest of us would have to face the music. something is broken with the system, and this case is proof. If you do the crime, do the time.

  • Posted By: PaellaCT @ 11/12/2008 2:59:07 PM

    What about prosecuting Ashley Dupre, the prostitute Spitzer hired? Is she to be excused because adult women with unhappy backgrounds are incapable of making decisions about their lives and their bodies? (Analogy to access to abortion?) And why say Spitzer "bought" Dupre for sex? Why not say Dupre marketed and sold herself? We punish drug dealers more harshly than drug users. Why is it flipped around for sex sellers and sex buyers? There's not much integrity to this column. Seems more an effort to induce comments. In which case, they snagged me.

  • Posted By: RittenhouseSq @ 11/12/2008 12:52:27 PM

    Prositiution is not a victimless crime becuase it is often chosen by women who were sexually assualted or poor, i.e., women who were victims in the past? Your conclusion is left unsupported. Rather, prostitution itself, specifically when the prostitute is paid $4000 an hour and where no abuse results, is victimless. It is a choice when entered into between consenting adults. Moreover, Johns are not "buying women" any more than anyone "buys a woman" to provide a massage, style their hair, or file their taxes. It is a service, admittedly an intimate one, and nothing more. Your characterization of Ms. Dupre and other women as victims of trafficking and sex strips them of their humaness and free will. Your illogical rant paints them as powerless, unequal to the persuasive authority and economic advantages held by men. You should be embarrassed for having published such a emotionally driven, poorly written and unsupportable thesis in a national magazine.

  • Posted By: Willian C DeMuth @ 11/11/2008 12:14:51 PM

    Tax booty and the budget is balanaced. Give the people what they want, and we all will prosper. Our booze fiend whore using hop headed Congress be damned, they are the most two faced people on the planet. Christian indignation? Dont make me wet my pants laughing!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: irateredhead2008 @ 11/12/2008 12:52:21 PM

      I think what you meant to type is "Give ME and people LIKE ME who see others there to SERVE ME like WE want and when we want it. If you don't, then there will be trouble and YOU will be to blame for it since WE didn't get what WE want." There. Fixed it. People is an all inclusive term. Ditch the unwarranted sense of entitlement to sex and do a little reseasrch on the industry. Thanks.

  • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/12/2008 8:54:50 AM

    Say what you will about prostitution, but it is one of the oldest professionals in the world. It will never go away so instead of trying to fight it you might as well legalize it so it can be safely regulated and taxed.

    Now, obviously anything dealing with underage women or even children is a horrendous crime and those criminals should be punished to the fullest extent of the law!

    Now consenting adults is a completely different story. I would like to highlight one of the quotes from the text "The DOJ policy is out of step with volumes of evidence that prostitution arises out of adverse social conditions............................poverty, lack of educational and economic opportunities, and a culture that increasingly commodifies girls. Yes it is absolutely true that most women do go into the profession because of a lack of educational and economic opportunities. I have news for all the researchers in the non-profit groups that deal with this issue, not everyone was born with the brains and motivation to go to college. Not everyone was born from healthy and well to do families that nurtured their children???s educational endeavors. If you really want to protect these women who are going to go into this lifestyle not matter what NGO you set up, then you should legalize it and regulate it. The regulation will keep people off the streets and provided the necessary STD testing to keep people relatively safe and hopefully healthy. Legalizing it will mean the local governments can tax it which means even more tax revenue can go towards health care and education.

    • Posted By: irateredhead2008 @ 11/12/2008 12:48:10 PM

      None of the ways anyone has tried to "regulate and make safer" prostitution has ever helped because we will NOT deal with the entitled demand side of the coin. How about we work on issues such as inequality, sexism, abuse, economics and the like and try to FIX what causes this problem, instead of just trying to throw on another superficial band aid so we can keep on consumin' that good ol' sex we're all so damned entitled to. You can't fix a car with a failing engine by giving it a new paintjob and a shiny new steering wheel cover. But that's essentially what we insist on doing with prostitution and sex work. All so that those who consume others can keep on keepin' on... with a fresh supply of bodies at their disposal. Let's be honest with ourselves and attack the issue from the root. But that makes people upset.

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