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  • Posted By: Petaloftruth @ 11/14/2008 1:00:46 AM

    WOW! Greed...one of the seven deadly sins...does bring out the worst in people, now doesn't it? I listend to Barakch Obama speak and I never heard him say, 'I think my only task is to rescue the economy'. When did he say that? Barack Obama does not have to save capitalism itself. But, he WILL have to save Americans from themselves and i did hear the man state that he feels a moral obligation to do so. Americans who think this is a racial issue have never read the book of Genisus. Pardon me, but, the Bible is not just a book of religion, it is also the oldest history book on the planet Earth. In the book of Genisus you will find a story about a man called, Hay. Hay's claim to fame, as it were, was that he was a fair skinned black man who was credited with the original thought of a 'white race'. After conceiving this 'original thought' he dedicated the rest of his life to creating a white race. There is no such thing as a white race because the notion and establishment of such an idea came from a black man. Further, if you do not live in such states as California & Colorado, you may not yet understand what Congress is trying to tell you about your mortgage. But let me break it down for you, brace yourselves for a 35 to 50% correction of your original loan balance. In other words, if you financed your house for $200k it is now worth...best case scenario...$130K and, yes, the banking industry just wrote off all of your upgrades. The good news is that you have 30 years to pay it off, maybe with alot of luck by then it will once again be worth $200k. Do not fret so much, the value of your mortgage will NOT get you into heaven and this is what I heard out of Barack Obama's mouth...reapeatedly. Americans "have a moral obligation" to be accountable for their own actions, individually and as a country. Greed does not equal = moral obligation. Greed can make a person immune to feelings and not all poor people are lazy. As the 80 something generation will tell you; learn from your mistakes so that you do not repeat them it is not polite to point your finger at others, flaunting your wealth is vulgar, and compassion clenses the soul.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 12:21:21 PM

      "Pardon me, but, the Bible is not just a book of religion, it is also the oldest history book on the planet Earth."

      The Sumerians beg to differ.

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/14/2008 6:08:24 AM

      I don't know about the book of Genisus, but in the book of Genesis there is no mention of anyone named Hay and certainly not the fanciful story you attribute to him. Further, if you understood Christianity, you would understand meeting "moral obligations" doesn't get anyone to Heaven. And its funny that you have heard Obama say that repeatedly because I don't think anyone else has. Please don't bother breaking anything down further for me, just reach for your meds.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 9:14:58 AM

        I think he meant "Ham".

    • Posted By: onemind @ 11/14/2008 1:41:03 AM

      There are a lot of Buddhists who would not agree with you about the Bible being the oldest history book on earth. It doesn't make the Bible any less or any more valid but let's get off the religious egocentricity while we're discussing politics and the economy.

  • Posted By: SeaHabit49 @ 11/14/2008 11:23:17 AM

    Here's a fact: the ratio of national debt to gross domestic product was 1.2 to 1 in 1946. Today its 0.5 to one.

    Citizen suckers, hear this: we could run up cumulative federal deficits in excess of 10 trillion dollars over the next four years, and be fiscally poised for the future, just like we were at the dawn of the cold war.

    $10 trillion... that's what Obama could borrow in his first term, and end up making us all better off than we were when he arrived at the White House.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 12:19:29 PM

      Nobody's listening, SeaHabit.

      Your party lost the election, in part because it couldn't balance a checkbook. Why should the dems listen to you now? If you were right, if your side knew what it was doing, McCain would be president. No, it's best that the "borrow and spend" party sits on the sidelines for a term or three. A little irrelevancy will do you good.

    • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 11/14/2008 12:09:32 PM

      The ratio of national debt to gross domestic product is irrelevant, as is a comparison between who we were directly after the war in 1946 and who we are now. The more important discussion is what type of national debt is it - debt to pay off bad gambling debts from the past, or debt to build for the future?

      If Obama borrows 10 trillion in his first term to bailout faling and failed industries, companies and brokerage houses, we are cooked. If he invests 10 trillion in our future infrastructure, education system, healthcare system, energy system, and job creation, we have a fighting chance.

      It's not the amount of the debt - it's what it pays for that counts.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 11/14/2008 6:19:48 AM

    These bailouts have to stop...they will utterly bankrupt us if left unchecked. The major corporations in need of bailouts all laid the seeds for their own disasters. There is little incentive for them to stem the greed and disconnection from reality that led to these disasters.

    -Overproduction of massive SUVs and trucks for Detroit
    -Predatory lending leading to customer bankruptcies and balance-sheet losses from customers unable to repay debt, by the credit-card companies
    -The lack of credit standards that led to the subprime deba

    I do believe the biggest single obstacle to the world's continued progress is the rapacious greed of the modern major corporation - at least the ones who have become focused on profits at any means, up to and including eating their own customers alive, so to speak. We have *got* to find a way to get the gluttonous, lavish-conference-attending, nine-digit-salary-taking corporate mentality out of our hearts and minds. When a corporation ceases to offer genuine products and services to an economy, instead reaping massive benefits through monopolistic, bureaucratic, and predatory tactis, it becomes quite literally a cancer within the larger economy, gluttonous for a disproportionate share of rewards and resources

    We need to get back to doing BUSINESS with our businesses, girls and guys - trying to make sure that Americans are housed, fed with nutritious food, able to get to work, medically taken care of, and the like. Profits aren't business. I know people who would mock me and laugh at me quite literally for hours for saying this; that's fine. They're the ones we need to excise from our economy with better protective regulation (reinstatement of usury laws and more) before, just like a cancer, they eat out the economy nourishing them and then take the economy with them as the whole thing dies from systemic failure.

    • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 11/14/2008 12:12:42 PM

      great great post. well thought... thank you.

  • Posted By: nate31 @ 11/14/2008 12:05:31 PM

    The big three debate is interesting. The Big Three have fallen behind because they have for over 50 years not been a forward thinking establishment. The Japanese have beaten us time and time again not only in production of a quality product but in the minds of the consumers. The cars look better, are more fuel efficient, and if you ask most Americans they will tell you that they are better made and last longer. The Big Three focused on profits and not on quality and now they pay the price. As for unions, not all are bad, but the UAW has crippled our auto industry. The salary that is shelled out to these guys is incredible. Most of the jobs being done a monkey could do and still they make more than most skilled laborers and college educated Americans. Maybe the government could buy out the Big Three and sell them to Honda! What an embarrassment to America!

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/14/2008 10:16:02 AM

    Save capitalism? Just what does that mean? The last time I ran capitalism in wikipedia.org it gave me 24 variations.
    What Obama has to save is free enterprise and that is a far cry from the brand of capitalism the Reagan/Bush economic policies were all about. Some how Bush and his economic team thought the consumer who is the very base of the economy would continue by some act of magic. The consumer is completely left out of the equation. Even forced out by the outsourcing of jobs and the movement of manufacturing out of the country.

    I know from experience American manufacturers can compete with China. Where the playing field starts to look like it is on the side of a mountain is in the quality of products made.
    American manufacturers are not keen on producing junk; the Chinese have no such qualms.
    The fact is the lower wages in China are more than offset by shipping, brokerage, and corporate profit and always have been.
    Much of the problem could be cured by simply demanding minimum quality standards in the products imported into this country. Granted it would require amending trade agreements but it is time.
    This would level the playing field and awaken the free enterprise system in America.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 11/14/2008 12:05:21 PM

      Not by the Democrat establishment of union hegemony it won't.

      This is the other edge of the sword. ''Free trade''[exportation of American jobs] vs. trade unionism[which has a history since the 1960s of killing jobs. Indeed,the ''Rust Belt''was a corporate/union creation].

      We have already seen with the Big Three bailout desires of the Democrats where their allegiances lay. Add to this,''card check'' and the repeal of the provisions of TAFT-HARTLEY and you have created an environment hostile to even American enterprise,which will be needed if we desire to ''return jobs to America''.
      Take the foreign vehicle plants in the US for instance. HYUNDAI,HONDA,TOYOTA,and others. Built in economically depressed regions. Offering good,even excellent wages and benefits with sound retirement and health packages creating a popular product. They are not in line for a handout,and they are not unionized.
      Then too, as much as 45% of Big Three vehicle parts are manufactured in foreign plants. Not ''Made In America'',yet even under the bailout,there are no plans to change this reality. If Republicans must engage in a revolutionary change of thinking with globalization,Democrats must cut their ties with Big Unions,and allow them to compete on the same playing field as other areas of American enterprise.

  • Posted By: SeaHabit49 @ 11/14/2008 11:22:05 AM

    Here's a fact: the ratio of national debt to gross domestic product was 1.2 to 1 in 1946. Today its 0.5 to one.

    Citizens hear this: we could run up cumulative federal deficits in excess of 10 trillion dollars over the next four years, and be fiscally poised for the future, just like we were at the dawn of the cold war.
    Don't let Obama or anyone else tell you: "we'd like to have single payer national healthcare, a national infrastructure project, a national enviromental clean-up project etc. etc. but we don't have the money". It's not true.
    $10 trillion... that's what Obama could borrow in his first term, and end up making us all better off than we were when he arrived at the White House.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 11/14/2008 10:11:24 AM

    Well, for heaven's sake, set the man up to fail, why don't you?

    No one person can effectively solve the mess we have gotten ourselves into, and it is ludicrous to imply that Obama or anyone else is, or will be, a savior. Let's have some rational discussion, and let's admit the obvious - we didn't get this dysfunctional in one election cycle or because of one person, and we won't heal in one election cycle and because of one person.

    The sobering truth is that everything has been badly over-valued for a long time, and we will all pay the price for a long time to come. Gasoline, houses, union wages, cars, dividends, profits, college educations, vacations - everything was over-inflated and artificially priced too high.

    It is everyone's fault, and no-one's fault, but the correction of over-inflated Everything is inevitable. Rather than looking outward for a savior that doesn't exist, we would all do better to look inward and examine what we as individuals did to maintain our greedy lifestyles, and what we can do now to lead our lives differently.

    But electing Obama Savior-in-Chief is not going to fix anything. And neither will he, without a lot of help from all the rest of us.

  • Posted By: sluggo @ 11/13/2008 10:48:12 PM

    How can this guy be called a 'saviour' one week after the election? Its obvious he is going to run small business into the ground. I studied hard and worked hard in my business, I didnt go out partying and having babies and buy houses I couldnt afford, only to have the government come to the rescue. We are the ones that get penalized for being responsible. Do you also want a president that has ties to terrorists and has people on his staff that wished 'death' to people? He has no idea what he is doing, but people fell for it. Especially ones with nothing to lose because they want other people's money.

    • Posted By: marley07 @ 11/13/2008 10:54:50 PM

      hahaha, well said. i love it. I guess we are stupid for being accountable, paying our mortgage, bills, etc when all along we could have done nothing, waited to take other peoples' money and been fine in the end.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 9:23:43 AM

        So blame the dumbass bankers who put us where we are.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 9:22:52 AM

      "How can this guy be called a 'saviour' one week after the election? Its obvious he is going to run small business into the ground."

      How?

    • Posted By: Romero @ 11/14/2008 12:01:36 AM

      Do you think McCain had any idea what was going on with our economy. He confessed he did not know anything about economics. One thing Obama has that Mr. McCain does not have is youth, and a very sharp brain, unlike Mr. McCain on both issues! Maybe some of you big brains out there should have run for president. It is very easy to critize, but very difficult to give solutions to the problem. All you economic business geniuses should have run for the presidence, and saved our country from this mess. Oh, how I hate people that are always criticizing and can not remember what they ate an hour ago. What we have to do is support our president and his advisors. I think they know much more than the majority of us monday morning quarterbacks (after the sunday game).

  • Posted By: Sunshine1957 @ 11/13/2008 11:02:01 PM

    ODUMA IS THE DESTROYER!!!! H E I S A L O S E R AND ALL THE IDOITS THAT FOLLOW THE MISSIAH.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 9:22:30 AM

      Take your meds, Sunshine.

    • Posted By: broman @ 11/13/2008 11:44:57 PM

      Sunshine,,just how dumb do you want us to think you are? Your sure proving it, keep up the good work.

  • Posted By: allenj01 @ 11/14/2008 12:31:43 AM

    If this article is a foretaste of the kind of economic analysis that we are going to be treated to in the ensuing four years, then we are truly doomed. At the end of the third paragraph we are told that we are witnessing the end of free-market absolutism. If this sort of assertion is going to be the keystone of future economic analysis then policy makers are going to fail before they get started. It is nothing less than a religious dogma to assert that the economy of the US or any other nation is anything close to an absolute free market.

    The economy of the US is a mixed economy; a combination of free market aspirations smothered by a blanket of statist controls. The only real principal at work here is that mixed economies are unstable, and when the tipping point is reached they either collapse into chaos, or to avoid that, reorganize around statist principals of socialism or fascism. Three guesses which way we are heading.

    In paragraph five, we are told that globalization of finance allowed Americans to live beyond their means. This was only a secondary unintended consequence of the primary motivation, which was to allow government to live beyond its means. The amount of money lost by even the largest of the companies involved in the current crisis is trivial when compared to the amount of money squandered by government at all levels (think: war).

    The only national institution big enough to bring down the economy is the government itself. It is very hard to see how the agent that is the cause of present difficulties is going to be the agent of our salvation.

    The Federal Reserve ??? the very institution created to prevent such economic disasters, brought on the depression of the 1930???s. The lesson we took away from that episode was that when it happened again throw as much money at the problem as quickly as we could. And we have done just about that and it hasn???t worked very well. When you fight your next war with the weapons of the last one you lose. So 78 years later once again the Federal Reserve has done it again.

    If we are to fix this mess so that it won???t happen again we need to take a very deep look into all the ways that the federal government caused it in the first place. Of course that???s like asking the foxes to a report on how to keep them out of the hen house.

    • Posted By: DoctorDavid @ 11/14/2008 1:02:14 AM

      I remember the premise that War would strengthen the economy proposed by the Neo-Cons to justify the expense of the War. Another terrible miscalculation. The other one was that an across the board tax cut was needed in 2000. We knew it was a ruse then, but were convinced it was necessary. I laughed then. Who's laughing now? It just fed the gluttony.
      Unfortunately, the government will now HAVE to get us out of this mess it created, or we might not ever recover. But it has to be a whole lot smarter and vigilant than the current Administration, Paulson included. I don't think Paulson gets it and Bush certainly never did.
      I do think Obama gets it however, and he is our best chance now.

      • Posted By: tristen @ 11/14/2008 1:11:18 AM

        The Iraq war has cost us bassically 500 billion in the years we have been their and they complain about that...yet in 2 months the gov has promised 5 trillion already and it grows by the day....side note it takes 32,000 years for a person to count to 1 trillion....going to take almost that long to recover from this...every part of america is now putting their hand out for free money...thus the rest of us who arent billionaire are going to see the value of the dollar go so low thats it ruins this country for years to come

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 9:19:07 AM

          "The Iraq war has cost us bassically 500 billion in the years we have been their and they complain about that..."

          Yes.

  • Posted By: tristen @ 11/14/2008 12:45:12 AM

    Save it...Obama is a socialist...thus believes in the Opposite of Capitalism .... when is the news media going to get off the love affair with this idiot and start treating him like everybody else...like his stupid 8 page form to join him team in DC... they ask question that Obama couldnt pass...what a Hypocrite....asking if people own a gun and whats in their diary...Capitalism...My God this is Nazi Germany 1930's

    • Posted By: DoctorDavid @ 11/14/2008 12:49:48 AM

      Like I said, or let me correct my statement for your understanding: the article would have to be written at a third grade level. You don't have a clue.

      • Posted By: tristen @ 11/14/2008 12:53:55 AM

        FDR and his policies turned a recession > the rest of the world had a 18 month recession...FDR and the gov policies that started taking over too much of the capitalism in the free market area is what turned a recession into the Great Depression....only thing that got us out of it was WWII .....

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 9:18:08 AM

          BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          Your imitation of Rush Limbaugh is hilarious. You almost had me going, til I saw that part about the rest of the world only being in a recession for 18 months.

          Revisionist history is funny.

        • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/14/2008 6:20:57 AM

          I suggest you go read the Depression Diary that's been running on Newsweek and tell us if that sounds like any recession you ever heard of, even in 1933. Lot of you revisionist historians out in this section and its all BS, the Depression really was something qualitatively different than the recessions most of us have experienced.

        • Posted By: DoctorDavid @ 11/14/2008 1:06:41 AM

          You are attempting revisionist history. No one of any repute believes your premise. The world is not flat as your ancestors would have us believe.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/14/2008 9:15:44 AM

      Boo hoo hoo. Poor bitter republican.

    • Posted By: McLovinB @ 11/14/2008 2:30:15 AM

      Look. It does not really have to be difficult. It is kindergarten stuff. If the guy over there needs help, you help him. He would do the same for you. It sounds childish, but it is just the basis of society. Our social contract is not to take every last dime you have, but you have been benefitted by society. Paying taxes, even if only for redistribution, improves the situation for EVERYONE.
      It that does not grab you, consider the alternatives. If society were to crumble, everyone would be worse off. Even if you had unlimited ammo, you could not protect yourself from disease, starvation, boredom, cold, etc. There are worse things than paying higher taxes for mutual benefit.
      People in other countries would just say... Well... of course. But I have found that American people have this very strong resistance that just really makes no sense.
      Just for instance, imagine that everything you were paying for health insurance were instead being paid as a tax for universal health care. You would not even know it. Why do you care? Because everyone around you would suddenly be healthier. Everyone would be better off but the insurance companies. This is the case in many countries. Still, American people get freaky and talk about socialism.

  • Posted By: AndrewFromCanada @ 11/14/2008 6:46:18 AM

    Why should we continue to have to "rescue capitalism"? Should that not tell us something about capitalism? Namely, it's unsustainable and the sooner you all wake up and realize that the sooner we can do away with things like poverty and the ever-widening distribution of income. Take a page out of the Europeans' book; just because American is a young country comparatively doesn't mean it needs to act like one.

  • Posted By: REALITY CHECK @ 11/13/2008 9:51:47 PM

    The article says "In Roosevelt's first 100 days, he not only saved the American economy but probably capitalism itself. How? By restoring it to health with a large dose of socialism.".
    Why not tell the truth? FDR's programs kept the Country in a Depression for another 8 years. It wasn't until the start of WWII in December 1941 that we started recovering. Is this intended as cover for Obama's socialistic programs?

    • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 11/14/2008 4:59:10 AM

      The millions of people who benefitted from FDR's reforms would strongly disagree with you. For you, it's just a history lesson. But for the people who lived in those times, it was the difference between living in their car or having a roof over their heads. My grandparents lived through those times and often talked about what it was like. And when your children are starving, you're living in your car, and nobody anywhere has a job for you or anyone else, I guarantee you that you don't give two craps about whether a back-to-work program, or welfare, free food or Social Security is Socialism or not. Those Socialist programs put America back to work, and when our Democracy allowed the people they helped to vote, they voted for FDR again and again until the man dropped dead, and the country mourned him like family.

      Maybe you should get your historical information from someone other than Rush Limpball and Sean Vanity. Talk to people who actually lived through the Depression and see what they have to say about FDR. He created jobs for millions of out-of-work Americans, putting a roof over their heads and food on their tables. If anyone you know is getting a Social Security check, they owe it to his radical "socialist" ideas. Those Socialist ideas made our Democracy much stronger. FDR was a great American and deserving of our respect and our lasting gratitude for looking beyond the "isms" and seeing the big picture.

    • Posted By: Romero @ 11/14/2008 12:23:50 AM

      Now here you go again. You Monday morning quarter backs. Can you positively say that if President Roosevelt had done nothing that we would have things would have been just peachy! We will never know will we! It is very easy to speculate about what would have been or what will be, but we do not really know!

  • Posted By: DoctorDavid @ 11/14/2008 12:31:18 AM

    Reading some of the rants on this blog, it is clear what is wrong with the education system in the US. Unless an article is written on the 6th grade level, it cannot be comprehended by the average American.
    Although I don't agree with the premise that the new President will need to save capitalism, it is clear that the free-market approach will not work, primarily because the excesses of that approach resulted in this crisis. I also don't agree that the World supported us so that we could enjoy excess living standards. They did it because 1) We support their economies, because we are a consumer nation and 2) We have exported so many jobs and technologies overseas that have opened new markets in nations that have a better work ethic than we do.
    In many nations, average workers are better educated and equipped to produce than we are. But not too long ago, in the 80's, our productivity was the highest in the world. After 8 years of neglect and economic gluttism, we are paying the price. We are like fat, lazy people in our lounge chairs while the rest of the world feeds us. And now, guess what, we're on a strict diet that is becoming a starvation diet, and it is going to be more painful.
    Obama can only do so much. This "walking" on the razor's edge is not possible and there will be some mistakes along the way. However, if he can encourage us to increase our output, provide a means for a better and higher education, create and bring back jobs, improve technology, and provide necessary and enforceable oversight, then we can pay back our debt to the world economy and re-establish ourselves as the leader of the free-market world.
    However, that will not occur without a real change of attitude, a willing to sacrifice and a halt to all of the "can't do" nonsense that the Rush junkies keep spewing. Being obstructionists at this time is not only inappropriate, but dangerous.

    • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 11/14/2008 3:34:23 AM

      I couldn't agree with you more about the educational system. The spelling errors alone throughout many of these posts are enough to make me cringe. Words like "bassically", "Genisus", "missiah" aren't typos, especially if they're misspelled the same way more than once. I'm a huge fan of intellect, and it's hard to believe that so many Americans are graduating from high school and they can't spell any better than this. It's a little hard to take a person's point seriously when he appears to be barely able to spell even the easy words.

      Clearly our money would be better spent if we took a few billion dollars from that stimulus package and paid for better schools, instead of bailing out corporate welfare whores like the Big 3 auto makers. We could throw all $700B at those guys and it would only postpone the inevitable. They're going to drown anyway, so let them go. While I dread the unemployment that would create, let's face it. No amount of money can save GM, Ford and Chrysler until they start building cars that people actually want to buy.

    • Posted By: McLovinB @ 11/14/2008 12:51:52 AM

      DoctorDavid I think you hit the nail on the head. Since the 80s, America has been all about cutting taxes as though they were evil or something. Other countries carefully considered what was beneficial, with some eye to fairness too. PIcking and choosing, they have put together great societies. Sure taxes are higher, but the countries are nice places to live, and people are not fearful of their governments, their companies, or their neighbors.
      Your lounge chair analogy is apt. People in other countries have been diligently working and saving to finance America's excesses. Americans have been having a lot of fun for the last two decades or so, and it shows. China's social programs, if they ever become sufficiently developed, will be paid for by interest on the T Bonds that they bought instead of using that money for consumption now. US taxpayers will have to pay that debt back. Consider. China might have free health care before America does. What will human rights groups be able to say then? I really wish that Americans had used that money that they borrowed more wisely. Now Americans will have a burden of development and the burden of debt that puts any third world country to shame.
      Careful consideration, with circumspection, can reveal many ways that America could be improved, if people were willing.

    • Posted By: DoctorDavid @ 11/14/2008 12:39:05 AM

      Correction: Our productivity was at record highs in the 90s. Sorry for the typo.

  • Posted By: Petaloftruth @ 11/14/2008 12:58:53 AM

    WOW! Greed...one of the seven deadly sins...does bring out the worst in people, now doesn't it? I listend to Barakch Obama speak and I never heard him say, 'I think my only task is to rescue the economy'. When did he say that? Barack Obama not have to save capitalism itself. But, he WILL have to save Americans from themselves and i did hear the man state that he feels a moral obligation to do so. Americans who think this is a racial issue have never read the book of Genisus. Pardon me, but, the Bible is not just a book of religion, it is also the oldest history book on the planet Earth. In the book of Genisus you will find a story about a man called, Hay. Hay's claim to fame, as it were, was that he was a fair skinned black man who was credited with the original thought of a 'white race'. After conceiving this 'original thought' he dedicated the rest of his life to creating a white race. There is no such thing as a white race because the notion and establishment of such an idea came from a black man. Further, if you do not live in such states as California & Colorado, you may not yet understand what Congress is trying to tell you about your mortgage. But let me break it down for you, brace yourselves for a 35 to 50% correction of your original loan balance. In other words, if you financed your house for $200k it is now worth...best case scenario...$130K and, yes, the banking industry just wrote off all of your upgrades. The good news is that you have 30 years to pay it off, maybe with alot of luck by then it will once again be worth $200k. Do not fret so much, the value of your mortgage will NOT get you into heaven and this is what I heard out of Barack Obama's mouth...reapeatedly. Americans "have a moral obligation" to be accountable for their own actions, individually and as a country. Greed does not equal = moral obligation. Greed can make a person immune to feelings and not all poor people are lazy. As the 80 something generation will tell you; learn from your mistakes so that you do not repeat them it is not polite to point your finger at others, flaunting your wealth is vulgar, and compassion clenses the soul.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 11/13/2008 4:15:12 PM

    Well, for heaven's sake, set the man up to fail, why don't you?

    No one person can effectively solve the mess we have gotten ourselves into, and it is ludicrous to imply that Obama or anyone else is, or will be, a savior. Let's have some rational discussion, and let's admit the obvious - we didn't get this dysfunctional in one election cycle or because of one person, and we won't heal in one election cycle and because of one person.

    The sobering truth is that everything has been badly over-valued for a long time, and we will all pay the price for a long time to come. Gasoline, houses, union wages, cars, dividends, profits, college educations, vacations - everything was over-inflated and artificially priced too high.

    It is everyone's fault, and no-one's fault, but the correction of over-inflated Everything is inevitable. Rather than looking outward for a savior that doesn't exist, we would all do better to look inward and examine what we as individuals did to maintain our greedy lifestyles, and what we can do now to lead our lives differently.

    But electing Obama Savior-in-Chief is not going to fix anything. And neither will he, without a lot of help from all the rest of us.

    • Posted By: Romero @ 11/14/2008 12:51:17 AM

      I fully agree with your comments.

    • Posted By: trimm25 @ 11/13/2008 6:00:24 PM

      Yeah, screw the unions. We need that money for the billionaire CEO's. The main one that needs the finger pointed at them you left off your list.

      • Posted By: Impressed citizen @ 11/13/2008 6:11:56 PM

        No. we shouldn't either let go those crooks getting away with those billions. The only point is, in our 'zeal' to spend indiscriminately and beyond our means we let those bundits rob every thing and every body as we wished to believe what they were saying!!

        • Posted By: garyneavada @ 11/13/2008 6:48:25 PM

          THE WAY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IS A... I... G.. GIVE OUR DAMB MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DONT DESERVE IT THE MONEY THOSE IDIOTS HAVE WAISTED ON THERE OWN PRIVET PARTYS WAS OUR EXPENCE B..U..L..L ! C..R..A..P !!!!! BANK.S WERE GIVEN MONEY TO GET THINGS GOING AGAIN.. DID THEY! HELL NO!!! THAY BOUT OTHER BANKS WITH WHO,S MONEY OURS AND GUES WHAT THERE GOING TO GET MORE MONEY FROM US WITH WHAT ? B..A..N..K F..E..E..,S THAT WHAT THEY TO SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE THOSE BILLIONS BACK RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: Impressed citizen @ 11/13/2008 5:57:08 PM

      Yes I too fully agree. We have been accustomed to living beyond our means. I believe, this is not only the case with us in US, but others in the rest of the world (including in the third world) learned from us. After all the world resources are not unlimited! So, the correction doesn't come from 'above' or from one person in the office. It can only come from every one of us by being sensible and learn to live sensibly. "indirectly, the Nature (or God as some ardent devotees of God, whatever His name is, believe!) brings that balance, I mean by making us pay for our excesses..

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 11/13/2008 4:47:57 PM

      Here's a voice of reason. MacLean makes a lot of sense. We're all in this together, and no one person is going to solve all problems. There WAS a huge, irrational "bubble" of expectations (at least as real estate prices went)... but the general inflation we've lived with for generations now has another source (government deficit spending, and "monetizing" that debt through the Fed), and the prices of individual commodoties, like gasoline, often respond to specific events (such as the invasion of Iraq, hurricanes disrupting production in the Gulf of Mexico, etc). Rising prices have more than one cause.

  • Posted By: archmsu @ 11/14/2008 12:49:41 AM

    If he stops these bail-outs, maybe he can.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 11/13/2008 9:46:54 PM

    Well, let's see. Republicans who apparently think that they are capitalists are calling Obama a Socialist while Republicans socialize businesses which are "too big to fail". The only definition of capitalism that one can create out of this peculiar position that Republicans take is that only small businesses can be capitalists and once a business gets "too big to fail", then it can be a "socialist" business if it starts failing and receive government money and control. Since the socializing of large businesses with government money is a plan named "Bush", a Republican president, the only way that republicans can continue to be capitalists is to say that some president a few years ago actually did this and he must have been a Democrat because Republicans are always capitalists and never socialists. And, of course, the Bush Republican president only did it while a former democratic president held his hand and made him sign it under duress. Otherwise, he would stand back and let businesses that do bad business fail as they deserve to do in a capitalistic society. Charles Dickens would love to write about this. It has all of the elements of "Alice in Wonderland", and "Through the Looking Glass". "When I use a word, it means what I say it means". If you are a Republican, then nothing that you ever do will ever be socialism, no matter what you do.

    • Posted By: Romero @ 11/14/2008 12:37:21 AM

      I could not have said it better.

    • Posted By: noneyas @ 11/13/2008 10:31:01 PM

      Hey olderwiser: You have a great point. As a Republican myself, however, I must say the Republicans (as well as the dems including Obama... did you forget) who voted for a bailout do not represent me or true Republicans. Republicans generally want to conserve rather than create bigger government (like Bush managed to do). Republicans reward success and let failure take it's natural course (unlike what we are seeing by both parties right now). Republicans have morals and beliefs but don't have to push the beliefs down other people's throats. We, like the Democrat party, used to be a great party and will be again. The whole country, both parties and independents, need to get back to the basics of getting along and having backbones. If a company fails due to irresponsible practices, let it fail. If a company succeeds, for the love of God, don't punish the company by increasing the taxes on the money the company worked so hard to create.

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 11/14/2008 12:13:09 AM

    Just think if McCain would have won he would be consulting with Sarah Palin and Joe The Plumber.

    • Posted By: DoctorDavid @ 11/14/2008 12:36:27 AM

      correction: Our productivity was at record highs in the 90's.

  • Posted By: galt727 @ 11/13/2008 8:59:15 PM

    Oh, God...FDR, WWII...hope it won't be Obama, WWIII. And oh, does "anyone" know what Obama has accomplished that shows he can do anything other than become the President of the U.S. by saying "Change" and smiling his arrogant smile. Where the beef!!! No copies of his grades, transcript, birth certificate, no articles in the Harvard Review...where the beef!

    • Posted By: broman @ 11/14/2008 12:01:01 AM

      galt727 you are kidding, aren't you? I guess you were one of the people in the political cartoon , bent over at the waist and with their head in a place called The RNC club house. One day you will finally stand up straight and pop, your head will come out and you will finally see the light of day,,,not to mention the smell of fresh air.

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