The Loving Decision

voters can be wrong, BUSH. "All men are created equal" overrides the voter.

Does Newsweek have *anyone* writing for them who represents the "silent majority" of the population? If this legislation has passed in 40 states, including California, why isn't this represented in the editorials at Newsweek?

t_roark - Ms. Qunidlen isn't making an argument that equates gay rights with African-American struggles - she is talking about a time when marriage between the races was illegal, and comparing it to the present time when marriage for same-sex couples is illegal. She is making a comparison about marriage. Period.

The Loving case wasn't just about depriving a black person of their rights, it deprived a white person of their rights, as well.

But ultimately, the struggle for equal rights and justice for African-Americans and equal rights and justice for homosexuals is exactly the same, and you were right to call it addressing questions of civil rights - one group is discriminated against based on the color of their skin, another group is discriminated against because of who they love.

It is still discrimination, and it still stinks. But trying to play 'can you top this' by insisting that one group suffered more, so therefore only that group has a legitimate claim to suffering, is both unnecessary and counter-productive.

Bigotry is still bigotry, any way you slice it.

Quindlen engages in cowardice in order to make her claim. For nowhere in her screed does it ever mention that even the powerful support of the LDS Church would have been nullified had it not been for the over 70% of blacks and latinos who voted for the passage of Prop 8.
California,in 2000,became a ''majority minority''state. This is,that latinos,asians,and blacks outnumbered whites as the states representative voting citizens. It never occurred to Quindlen that these minorities have held conservative ideals as regards homosexuality long before there was even a Prop 8 to even consider,let alone ''Mormons''. And that these minorities,while voting for an Obama,a Democrat,or other liberal policies,would yet rise to strike down gay marriage.
Blacks and latinos represent only a fraction of the LDS membership. Yet they voted in numbers larger against gay marriage while engaging in their record turnout for Obama,than even whites did.[70-72% minority vs. 52-54% white].
What is truly ''mean-spirited'' Anna,is engaging in mob justice in order to defray what was a democratic means of arriving at the prohibition of same-sex marriage. Acting no differant than a White Citizens Council in Alabama during the 60s,gays and their allies have produced outrages on several fronts. Mailing envelopes of ''white powder''checked by the FBI in Salt Lake City last week that were sent to the LDS HQ. Burning bibles thrown at church doorsteps in Michigan,a patent hate crime. Individuals regardless of age or infirmity being terrorized ,bullied and assaulted. This is America. Not the Soviet Union. Even King and his SCLC supporters never used such violent expedients to get their points across. All gays are doing right now is alienating the moderates,and further hardening the distrust of the antis.

This are not logical actions Anna,let alone, ''Loving''.

I hate to bother trying to reach the closed minds of the bigots who oppose gay marriages but I am happy to annoy them by repeating the obvious. You are going to lose this argument. You are going to have to live with it. I suggest you go to church every chance you get and pray that God changes the mindset of the same sex folks so that they can be "just like you." Better still drag out that old religious practice of asking God to punish them. Now that is the Christian thing to do.

I hate to bother trying to reach the closed minds of the bigots who oppose gay marriages but I am happy to annoy them by repeating the obvious. You are going to lose this argument. You are going to have to live with it. I suggest you go to church every chance you get and pray that God changes the mindset of the same sex folks so that they can be "just like you." Better still drag out that old religious practice of asking God to punish them. Now that is the Christian thing to do.

Since the divorce rate is at 50%, I would venture to say that heterosexuals have done a good job of destroying the institution of marriage all by themselves, without any help from homosexuals.

Perhaps we need to prevent heterosexuals from marrying, since they are clearly the ones destroying the institution of marriage, influencing our children for the worse, and giving birth to all these homosexuals in the first place,

@ Bob Parr

You ask, "Where do we stop?"

We stop at divorce. All divorced people return to their original spouses. And all married people must chat and be friendly to each other in public places. They vowed to love their one and only. Let's keep them to their vow. Anyone who's slept with more than one person must be subjected to public punishment and must admit to their fornicating in public.

Happy?

No????

Oh, you just want other groups to be more moral!

I see.

Well, then, here's how you spell Bob Parr: h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e

Imagine if the Mormons and the Catholics had taken their tens of millions and fed families that struggle to put enough food on the table or if they'd begun some businesses to employ some parents who might otherwise divorce due to financial stress.

You know how white skinheads like to shout "White Power!" and thrust their fists into the air. Those who voted Yes on Prop 8 should have celebrated by donning military boots and marching down streets, yelling, "Het Power!"

History is on our side. It is not a matter 'if' but 'when' this issue shall be moot. Gays and lesbians will receive every civil and other right of any other American. Then this same thing will, in time, be true for the rest of the world.

In the mean time, those who oppose us, who contribute in any way to our devaluation as humans will pay the price for their actions. I marched in the rain yesterday in Washington, DC. My shoes, clothing were soaked. I walked longer than I have in many years. I am no spring chicken! I did it because I decided, We must fight, no matter what the odds.

Those who oppose us are losers. Little by little, all of the hateful things they say are coming back to haunt them.