Obama’s Lincoln

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  • Posted By: shaysite @ 11/20/2008 1:14:36 PM

    "Government itself is a killer of real freedom." Only an anarchist could phrase it so.

    Regardless of their factional views, our founders would have universally disagreed. They all believed that rational government by the people of a republic was the best if not only guarantee of freedom. They also drew a clear distinction between liberty and license, insisting that only the former was virtuous, because only it came with the responsibilities required to protect lasting freedom.

    Anarchism, on the other hand, is a relative late comer to this country-appearing here for the first time in the latter half of the 19th century. To those who want to revive it again here, I say what was often said when it first appeared: "Keep your dangerous foreign ideas out of this country." Our republic wasn't founded on them and they don't work here.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/20/2008 1:36:34 PM

      Your "republic" was founded on theft. That is how governments functions. It has steal money from the productive in order to rule over them. America was a much better place during the time of the real founders under the Articles of Confederation, before the illegal drafting of the Constitution.

      • Posted By: shaysite @ 11/20/2008 1:46:56 PM

        On the Articles of Confederation, believe it or not, I actually agree with you. However, not even the framers of the Articles were Anarchists. They wrote the articles on the assumption that states would continue to have the power to collect taxes (mostly on 'productive' shippers and merchants).

        • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/20/2008 2:44:29 PM

          I never said they were. I merely pointed out that America under the AOC was a much more tolerable place, and people had more liberty

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/18/2008 7:12:46 AM

    President Obama will reach across the isle and choose his secretary of HATE soon. The vetting process has taken sometime because the Republican Party of hate has so many qualified candidates. The short list includes the who's who in HATE, Mary Matelin, Tom Delay, Dick Morris, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and Fred Barnes. All are from Hate Radio or Hate TV.

    The GOP mouth-breathers are on the edge of their seats.

    Another related topic has the newly elected Democratic Senate and House members practicing their own style of crossing the isle. Of course they must cross the isle because that's where the seats they took from the GOP party of hate are located.

    • Posted By: Skallywag @ 11/18/2008 7:44:40 AM

      You sure do hate a lot. In reading your posts, I see that you blindly stick to the propaganda spewed forth by one political party while blindly disputing the propaganda spilled by the other. It appears that you do not take the time to glean fact from fiction. You keep spouting off about giving Obama a chance, so stop hating everyone else and give us a chance to maybe give him that chance. He was elected, whether we like it or not, so we need to live with it or endure for the next 4 years; however it works out for us. But you are not helping by insulting and hating those of us who are skeptical. Open your eyes and your mind to see what is going on around you. And I thought only republicans had blinders that narrow. Do not insult those who may have a differing opinion; just be aware of what they say. Your prejudice is showing - it extends to those who think for ourselves and are not associated with or brainwashed by one political party or the other.

      • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/18/2008 9:30:02 AM

        I'm wouldn't think of asking you or anyone else to cut President Obama any slack. As far as the Hate goes, I only hate, hate. You are a charter member of the GOP party of hate. Those I listed above are the main pundits of the Republican. All preach hate . try disputing that!

        By the way, skally, you endurance will be required to last 8 years not 4. Get ready for an even large butt-kicking in 2012.

        Don't give me that line about your being skeptical. Wasn't it you who used the Messiah comment yesterday on this very blog?

        • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 11/18/2008 9:45:59 AM

          You weren't the bottom feeder that made the Messiah remark, sorry. You were the mouth-breather that made the "sinking ship" analogy and the "Obama not being intelleget enough to be elected" comments.

          Would a person describing themselves as "skeptical and willing to give obama a chance, use those comments? Come on out of the closet, skallywag, trying to present yourself as some kind of middle of the roader is falling flat!

          • Posted By: Skallywag @ 11/18/2008 12:46:58 PM

            I am skeptical but also flexible. I do not know Obama personally but from what I have seen he does not impress me as vastly intelligent (saying he is more intelligent then GWB is not really saying much, so is a carrot). I do not claim to be right all the time and am willing to admit it, hence my willingness to give Obama a chance. He is after all, all we got. Maybe he will come through. If he somehow manages to do so, then 8 years might not be so bad, if he does not, then he will last 4. If I could predict the future, I certainly wouldn't be debating this issue with a narrow minded camp follower. In the mean time, I will be ready to abandon the good ship USA should it become necessary. My rat analogy was right on target and you know it. George Bush has run this country aground and failed to take proper action to keep it afloat. It is a monumental task for anyone, let alone someone with no leadership experience, to try to save. As far as being a charter member of the "GOP party of Hate", I have no idea where you get that. you spout more negativeity and hate than just about anyone on these blogs, especially if they don't fall into line with your narrow minded thinking. Much of what is posted here is opinion, of which we are entitled to. Most of us don't go around childishly insulting the other bloggers, just an underhanded pun now and again for fun, but no outright hatred such as you demonstrate. So the rest of us ask, if you can't play nice in the sandbox, then go home.

            • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/18/2008 2:54:43 PM

              Ditto those comments! A+

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/18/2008 4:24:34 PM

                Hey look, the ditto is mine here, in fact I'm having it patented and you get an S+ for sore loser.

                • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/19/2008 2:52:19 PM

                  I'm actually dittoing (if that's a word, probably not) Skallywags comments, so don't get your panties wet!

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/19/2008 4:02:19 PM

                    See, you can't post a single comment without offensive remarks. Hopeless.

                    • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/20/2008 2:13:10 PM

                      Yes I can, see! You're reading it!

      • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/18/2008 2:53:53 PM

        Bass Pro likes to try and pull the toothpick out of other people's eyes when he/she has a tree trunk in his/hers!

  • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 11/18/2008 3:32:30 PM

    Boy, there are a lot of defeated and depressed Republicans on this blog. I would advise everyone not to let them near anything sharp.

    • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/20/2008 2:10:51 PM

      Nope, just angry. It's a shame that it wasn't independents, women, etc. that were the swing in this election, it were the knuckleheads that did not care about issues and just wanted to see "history" made which is why Obama won. He was not the better of the two candidates. If you weighed everything out and took the argument of Bush out of the equation and let McCain run on his own, head to head he beat Obama. But when you ask people who Obama was and what he stands for they cannot answer. That is what was the shameful part of this election and the proof is in the pudding with all of these clueless people's answers to simple questions. Uninformed people should not be allowed to vote!

  • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 11/20/2008 1:53:07 PM

    I worked with a guy we'll call Jake, who was raised by his grandmother in Rhode Island who reminds me of Bill Smith. He hated the government but paid his taxes. He was a gun enthusiast and often made mention of being prepared for the time the government came for his guns. I used to joke that if we were ever invaded, i would head for his house. He was as hard as nails with his kids, real physical if you get my drift. He had a hair temper and threaten more than a few of the other tradesmen who were dumb enough to argue with him. I figure he was pretty much isolated from the real world by his grandmother and when he went out it it, he was shock by everything he encountered. Bill differs from the Jake i knew in that Bill knows some history and uses a computer. Other than that i think bill is basically brainwashed. I was 2 years older than jake but he adopted those thing that were from an older generation. Jake feared nothing and was always ready for battle. I never tried to change him because I knew i couldn't.

  • Posted By: shaysite @ 11/20/2008 1:49:21 PM

    I was responding to Bill. I don't see any basis for disagreement with you.

  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 11/20/2008 1:40:22 PM

    Shay are you reacting to me or to Bill?
    While from very different roots, we were having an exchange of sorts.

    A rational, economical and helpful government such as is being proposed by Obama is a great thing, in my view. Most of us have been getting poorer and it is time to start dealing with that.

    Maybe it rang your bell a bit, when I made the point that the military complex in the US
    has been encroaching more and more upon our civic life.

    More...

  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 11/20/2008 10:31:27 AM

    Bill, as a secret anthropologist, i really would like you to give me more insight into your thinking.

    If civic life becomes just an extension of the military complex, which is where we have been heading, we would be completely controlled by government.
    Is this something you would be for, then? What is your definition of totalitarianism, coz i think you have it wrong.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/20/2008 10:41:56 AM

      Are you referring to the national police force that Obama is all for? Sort of like Hitler???s SS?

  • Posted By: TruthForward @ 11/20/2008 10:13:05 AM

    Well, I hope Obama keeps a lot of loyal people around him. Rivals may let bad stuff happen.

  • Posted By: david777 @ 11/20/2008 6:50:21 AM

    Lincoln ended slavery to crush the south economically. And that's the truth.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/20/2008 8:18:56 AM

      Lincoln did not free one slave. The 13th Amendment ended slavery and that was after his death. He attacked the South because they refused to pay his outrageous tariffs. It seems the only ???truth??? you know is what is ???taught??? in government school.

      • Posted By: we did it! @ 11/20/2008 8:41:03 AM

        Dear Bill Smith,
        I think it's extrememly sad that you have nothing better to do with your time than to express your extreme libertarian views and force them on us. Give Obama a chance and maybe he will leave you and all your croonies in awe. I hope so. I believe in him and I believe in change. I want a better life for my furture generations and I believe Obama is the answer.

        • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/20/2008 8:51:23 AM

          I don???t have a libertarian view. The truth hurts for most people, that is why they ignore it. Obama will only make things worse than the tyrant Bush. But then again I???m sure people like you will rejoice when they round up dissenter to take them to re-education camps. Obama is going to take Amerika down the road that Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR only dreamed of, totalitarianism.

  • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 11/19/2008 5:51:51 PM

    It might be a good idea to let Bill smith off the hook here. I suspect he may have issues. If I said anything that was off base , Bill, it's because Harleyishere made me say it. sorry.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/19/2008 6:18:20 PM

      Please tell me what my "issues" are. Is it because I don't believe in theft, even if it is called taxation, emanate domain, or asset forfeiture?

  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 11/19/2008 5:39:04 PM

    Dear Bill S,
    Is it that you're anti-all government, just no government, period? That is a free-for-all, deregulatory position, , no drivers licenses, no tax, zero gun control, etc. Is that how you are thinking, then?
    Am genuinely curious, and NOT attacking.

  • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 11/19/2008 5:27:17 PM

    If the dwindling number of Republicans on the blogs is any indication of the rate of shrinkage in the Repubican party, their 2012 convention can be held in a Chucky Cheese!

  • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 11/19/2008 4:22:13 PM

    If you're a republican, please step away from your computer.

    My fellow Democrats and most esteemed Independents...Have you reflected on hte enjoyment we are going to be subjected to in the next 8 years/ Starting with a daily update of PRESIDENT OBAMA's filling of his Cabinet positions and follow ed thereafter by our posting the daily progress for those unfortunate enough to get their info from FoxNews. we should try to keep them as informed as possible without overloading their capacity for truth.. Ok! That's all, we can let them come back to their monitors now.

  • Posted By: Repubssuck @ 11/19/2008 4:07:21 PM

    pia? did you get my answer?

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/19/2008 4:18:16 PM

      Yes..got it. Love your name btw.

  • Posted By: it's about the future @ 11/19/2008 1:15:29 AM

    RandyH: reply button not working.
    Lincoln was at a very different moment in history, as you say.

    Obama can do a lot to change the way things are done; not spending billions on influence and access in Washington; like Big Oil getting the trillion dollar tax breaks while we are trying to stretch our dollars. Staffing the Government based on talent is a good thing. Affordable health care, green energy, making college affordable, closing the pay gap for women, jobs staying in the US, return to fiscal responsibility; stop balancing the budget by continually adding to debts eg. China. Stop spread of nuclear weapons, restore America's moral authority, end gitmo and torture; taking care of our military and vets with benefits, pay and care; direct diplomacy with heads of state instead of speaking with bombs, focus on climate change, land conservation.

    The fallout from the downturn will take some time to play out and it is a helluva list, but it is all about a new kind of conversation. Lincoln did not have to deal with the global issues of the 21st century, but this guy Obama is doing it and will continue to go forward with this new direction.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 11/19/2008 2:23:02 AM


      Obama is all about hope and change and one's belief in him. Everything you state in your post he has proported but as a whole has no record to stand on long running (given his minimal experience/accomplishments in Washington). You say that Obama is DOING IT and WILL CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD with this new direction. . . but we have yet to see it. For the sake of our country, we can only hope that he will surround himself with those advisors knowledgeable enough to make up for any weaknesses he has to get us out of this economical mess we are in now as a result of not only Prez Bush, but also the House led by the majority of dems. As I want our country to succeed and move forward I will pray that Obamas Admin will do what is best for this country as a whole.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/19/2008 8:47:17 AM

        Very nice and fair comments, sharenews. I admire you for this. Thank you.

        • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/19/2008 3:10:23 PM

          At least shared news is keeping it real and balanced. Not on Obama's jock strap like some people in here!

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/19/2008 4:00:23 PM

            I'm trying to keep the peace here. Don't push it.

    • Posted By: RandyHiggins @ 11/19/2008 11:17:09 AM

      Yeah, weird stuff going on with this bulletin board.
      I think there is an illusion that the president actually controls the country in some way. I think war and taxes are the only ???control??? the president has. Even these are under the scrutiny and approval of Congress. Look at AIG. When they claim to be drowning, the whole government is throwing life rings in the water to get them out. This is with the approval of Congress! Multinational corporations have far more influence on who works, where they work, and how much they earn than govt policy. The president is just an actor in the drama.

  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/19/2008 3:35:49 PM

    Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/19/2008 2:47:41 PM
    Comment: "Actually, Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, and Nixon did more damage to this country than Bush has."



    Quite the group you've got there. Unfortunate for us we are dealing with our generations and our time. And in this time patriotism was redefined to mean fall in the party line, pretend and be in denial. Sorry, being inept and ignorant, and leading by leis and fear are not my idea of supportable leadership. That is why we vote.

    Too many people are brainwashed by the far right proclaiming that love of country is falling inline with thier views and policies.

    I love my country, just don't love inept leadership, who embarasses my country. Especially ignorant little minds like Floridave, who cannot reach outside his little boxed in head and make comments about somebody's love of thier country.

  • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/19/2008 1:36:16 PM

    Posted By: Floridave @ 11/19/2008 8:44:27 AM
    Comment: It's so sad that you probably believe that to be true. Come on... love your country. Lots of us do.



    It is true. Innocent and guilty were put in that prison. The administration put that situation in place, and it goes against everything we stand for.

    I love my country so much I will never allow it's values to be abused by narrow minded idiots that can't think outside the box.


    That is why the GOP suffered so many losses in the last election. They supported bush policies, WHICH WERE DAMAGING TO THIS COUNTRY THAT I LOVE>

    YOu are a fool to not understand that the true patriots fight for the country, not the lame decisions of an inept administration.

    I am a patriot,, you support the decisions of a loser president, one of the worst in our history. I love my country, you love Bush and a party.

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/19/2008 2:47:41 PM

      Actually, Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, and Nixon did more damage to this country than Bush has.

      • Posted By: whatisreal? @ 11/19/2008 3:34:57 PM

        Enter Your ComQuite the group you've got there. Unfortunate for us we are dealing with our generations and our time. And in this time patriotism was redefined to mean fall in the party line, pretend and be in denial. Sorry, being inept and ignorant, and leading by leis and fear are not my idea of supportable leadership. That is why we vote.

        Too many people are brainwashed by the far right proclaiming that love of country is falling inline with thier views and policies.

        I love my country, just don't love inept leadership, who embarasses my country. Especially ignorant little minds like Floridave, who cannot reach outside his little boxed in head and make comments about somebody's love of thier country. ment

  • Posted By: rayct45 @ 11/18/2008 11:47:55 PM

    "Obama's Lincoln"? As in: "Obama is Lincoln"? Yeah, that's what I thought you meant with your not so subte play on words. Please...we have had to put up with years of unwarranted Obama-Lincoln comparisons already by the Obama-promoting media. Does it have to continue even after the election? Ever since this tall, gaunt, big-eared guy from Illinois came on the scene, the media has been making this specious comparison in order to attach Lincoln's gravitas to an otherwise obscure man. It can't be done. It has to be earned, so please stop pandering to the masses who are all too ready to suck it up.

    • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/19/2008 3:12:58 PM

      I'm surprised most democrats aren't mad about this article putting Obama on the penny and crying how he isn't worth just one cent. They probably would like to see Obama replace Benjamin Franklin's picture on the $100 bill and be worth a whole lot more. Because in their eye's he is the Savior to all our troubles!

  • Posted By: spectre30075 @ 11/19/2008 11:20:05 AM

    http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

    • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/19/2008 2:59:53 PM

      I posted that like 10 times on this blog, but these Dems still think that they are the smart ones in this country! They'll never understand and Obama will never do wrong in their eyes!

  • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 11/19/2008 2:47:59 PM

    The REAL reason this country is falling apart is because of the US government. Evil men like Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Nixon, Bush, Clinton, and Bush have brought us farther down the path of total totalitarianism. Only fools or someone ???educated??? in government schools blame the market. Guess what folks, we don???t have a free market and have not had one since before the illegal signing of the Constitution. The powers that be, whether Bush or the new tyrant Obama, always keep the sheep fooled by thinking there is an actual difference between the demopublicans and the republicrates. We are headed for doom. The people who depend on or defend government will soon be feeding off each other. The only sad thing is innocent people will die during the feeding frenzy.

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