Religion was decreed as not part of our government from the outset. Laws are morality based, not Biblically based. The Bible contains laws that mirror the morality of societies since time immemorial. Remember the code of Hammurabi? Most societies contain similar laws because they all deal with the same situations-- human beings trying to live together. The Bible doesn't hold a premium on these. Bush's numbers by the way, are much lower than both Truman and Nixon, the 2 former 1st and 2nd place holders for disapproval ratings. Sticking to your guns when "your guns" were wrong is not really a virtue.
THE WHITE HOUSE
Pardon Me? Don’t Bet On It.
Published Nov 15, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Nov 24, 2008
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Posted By: PistovAmerican @ 11/23/2008 12:31:06 PM
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:07:58 PM
ghostmasseur:
In addition all laws are biblically based. So I guess then all laws are illegal and it is pretty much up to the individual on what they feel is right and wrong. Maybe you should read the Bible you might learn something. One thing you may learn is that you reap what you sow. We have abandoned Godly principles and you can see the result. Not only here but across the globe maybe the financial meltdown is a warning to change and become spiritually based again instead of finacially based. If your position of religiously based laws beign a violation was followed then everything would be legal based on everyone's own belief. Lock your doors and by your guns before Obama outlaws the purchase. You are going to need it.-
Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/23/2008 1:23:04 PM
John Dough,
"In addition all laws are biblically based."
Actually as PistovAmerinca pointed out, not htey are not. They are based on the Hammurabic codes among others.
"Maybe you should read the Bible you might learn something."
I have read it, (several versions of the Christian one as well as the original Hebrew TaNaKH that you guys used as the basis for your OT) and I spent years teaching it (both before and after realizing that it was man-made).
"We have abandoned Godly principles and you can see the result."
Man-made principles since god is man-made.
"If your position of religiously based laws beign a violation was followed then everything would be legal based on everyone's own belief."
BNot at all. Common sense laws are what society needs, not religous fantaasy.
"Lock your doors and by your guns before Obama outlaws the purchase."
That is bull. Obama has never said that he would outlaw guns and anyone who says he has is lying.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:02:25 PM
ghostmassuer
WMD's everyone believed he had them including every democrat and all intel passed from Clinton to Bush said the same. Incidentally, all demos voted for the war but later pulled a Bill Clinton I voted for it but did not support it and thought it was advisory only.
The troops were not under equipped - they tore through the Iraqi army so fast the supply lines could not keep
up with their rapid advance.
Waterboarding may be torture by it causes no lasting effects and saved thousand of American lives. Speaking of torture like the NVA did to McCain permenantly disfiguring him, Hussien tortured and murder over 500,000 Iraqis, 17000 Kawait's gassed 500 Kurds and wanted to genocide the whole population of Kurd he was a WMD himself.
In 1962 the democratic supreme court removed God from our government thereby creating new law.
When this nation was founded you could not hold office even after elected without publicly affirming faith in Christ. What has happened since 1962: Violent crime up 500%, teen pregnancy up 500%, divorce rate 50%, 70% of minority children born to single parent households, STD's are at all time highs, pornography is protected and viewable by even young children, sexual redators are everywhere - yeah we've come along way baby -just not the right way.-
Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/23/2008 1:50:18 PM
"In 1962 the democratic supreme court removed God from our government thereby creating new law."
First off they did not create new law, they correctly ruled on exsting unconstitutional old law.
As for it being a "democratic court":
Engel vs Vitale was decided by a 6-1 vote with Warren, Harlan and Brenan, all nominated by Eisenhower, Douglas, Clark and Black were nominate by FDR and Truman. Therefore it was equally Republican and Democratic.
Abington School District v. Schempp was decided 8-1 with Warren, Harlan, Brennan being Republican nominees. And they were considered three top-flight legal scholars.
"When this nation was founded you could not hold office even after elected without publicly affirming faith in Christ. "
Bull. The US Constitution specifically prohibits a relgious test for holding office.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:01:51 PM
ghostmassuer
WMD's everyone believed he had them including every democrat and all intel passed from Clinton to Bush said the same. Incidentally, all demos voted for the war but later pulled a Bill Clinton I voted for it but did not support it and thought it was advisory only.
The troops were not under equipped - they tore through the Iraqi army so fast the supply lines could not keep
up with their rapid advance.
Waterboarding may be torture by it causes no lasting effects and saved thousand of American lives. Speaking of torture like the NVA did to McCain permenantly disfiguring him, Hussien tortured and murder over 500,000 Iraqis, 17000 Kawait's gassed 500 Kurds and wanted to genocide the whole population of Kurd he was a WMD himself.
In 1962 the democratic supreme court removed God from our government thereby creating new law.
When this nation was founded you could not hold office even after elected without publicly affirming faith in Christ. What has happened since 1962: Violent crime up 500%, teen pregnancy up 500%, divorce rate 50%, 70% of minority children born to single parent households, STD's are at all time highs, pornography is protected and viewable by even young children, sexual redators are everywhere - yeah we've come along way baby -just not the right way. -
Posted By: AshamedofYou @ 11/21/2008 10:42:06 PM
Bush doesnt need to pardon anyone in his administration because all the "Crimes" he is accused of are fantasy and political hate speech. History will also vindicate him once the administration is examined in the cold light of reality, and not in the hot spotlight of left wing media bias.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/22/2008 9:57:05 AM
So you have drunk Michelle Malkin's braindraining kool-aid?
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:17:38 PM
Bush leaves office with higher poll numbers then both Truman and Carter (democrats). Carter was by far the worst president of the last 60 years hands down. 17% mortgage rates, gas lines everywhere, 10% unemployment, US hostages in Iran, and on and on the list goes. He was as inept as he is nice. Bush stuck to his guns and did what he said he was going to do. If you remember 90% of citizens supported the was in the beginning. He could have been another Clinton and after 9/11 uttered those still repulsive words Clinto did after every terrorist attack while he was in office. We are going to hunt down these terrorists and hold them accountable. Followed by nothing until the next attack and then those famous words again. He could have had Bin Laden killed while in office and forced Israel to release Mohammad Atta in the Olson Accord prisoner exchange. Both of them repaid us for our generosity. Like it or not at least Bush did what he said he was going to do and not provide just lip service.
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Posted By: AshamedofYou @ 11/21/2008 10:41:59 PM
Bush doesnt need to pardon anyone in his administration because all the "Crimes" he is accused of are fantasy and political hate speech. History will also vindicate him once the administration is examined in the cold light of reality, and not in the hot spotlight of left wing media bias.
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Posted By: joep1976 @ 11/21/2008 5:20:59 PM
John Dough what does that have to do with pardons?
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:11:55 PM
What crimes did Bush commit?
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/21/2008 7:37:52 AM
To name just a few:
Lying to the American People about the WMD's
Underequipping our troops at the beginning of the war.
Authorizing the torture of prisoners (waterboarding Is torture).
Violating the Establishment clause by trying to make religiously based laws, (Of course he is not the only one doing that)
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Posted By: kb richard @ 11/19/2008 7:00:08 PM
Who will Pardon Bush ??
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/19/2008 9:30:34 PM
If you have read the posts you would now hat, theoretically at least, he could pardon himself. It would be an obscene thing to do, but that would be right up his alley.
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Posted By: King-Kameha @ 11/19/2008 3:39:50 PM
Can W ask Richard Cheney to give back 40 Billion dollars for the rebuilding of bagdad Iraq which I never saw happen.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 6:01:18 PM
Did you Know? I didn't know!
How could we?
Did you know that 47 countries' have
reestablished their embassies in Iraq ?
Did you know that the Iraqi government
currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?
Did you know
that 3100 schools have been renovated,
364 schools are under rehabilitation,
263 new schools are now under construction;
and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?
Did you know
that Iraq 's higher educational structure consists
of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers,
all currently operating?
Did you know
that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in
January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?
Did you know
that the Iraqi Navy is operational?
They have 5 - 100-foot patrol craft,
34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.
Did you know
that Iraq ' s Air Force consists of three operational squadrons,
Which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft
(under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night,
and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?
Did you know
that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?
Did you know
that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000
fully trained and equipped police officers?
Did you know
that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq
that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?
Did you know
there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq ?
They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals,
83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities
and 69 electrical facilities.
Did you know
that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5
have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
Did you know
that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?
Did you know
that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
and phone use has gone up 158%?
Did you know
that Iraq has an independent media that consists of
75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?
Did you know
that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?
Did you know
that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a
televised debate recently?
OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!
WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?
BECAUSE OUR MEDIA WON'T TELL US!
Instead of reflecting our love for our country,
we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib
and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.
Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive
in Iraq serves two purposes:
It is intended to undermine the world's perception
of the United States thus minimizing consequent support;
and it is intended to discourage American citizens.
---- Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site.
http://www.defenselink.mil/ Did you know? Why I didn't know But I know now.....-
Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/21/2008 7:41:05 AM
Actually that information WAS reported by the media (including the Washington Post).
I know because I read most of it there over the last few years.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 4:28:39 PM
Not the US - Bush and the GOP Whom the media and peopel like you hate.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/23/2008 1:30:04 PM
you said: "It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States thus minimizing consequent support; and it is intended to discourage American citizens. "
Bush and the GOP are not the only "American Citizens."
I do not hate Bush or the GOP. I have contempt for Bush and Cheney and what the GOP has allowed itself to become. I have hope that the GOP can regain itself by tossing the ultra-right wingers and ultra-con relgious types away since they are trying to force their religion and social views on others and make laws that violate our privacy and look into our bedrooms (exactly the opposite of what true conservatives should be doing). I hate what they have done to our standing the world. I hate that instead of choosing a true conservative (and someone with a functional brian) like Christine Todd Whitman as a VP candidate, they chose Caribou Barbie, and McCain bent over and spread them for slime like Pat Robertson.
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Posted By: johnmag @ 11/18/2008 6:39:26 PM
I think you are were too young to remember the pardon of Richard Nixon by President Gerald Ford. The pardon was for impeachable offenses. So where does say impeachment is not pardonable? Or maybe it was all in the timing, is why things worked the way they did. With Ford taking office when Nixon was flying back to California. And then as soon as Ford was President , he filed the pardon for Nixon. So if you think you can get Bush in jail for all his crimes he has committed over the last 7+ years, you better have a fool proof plan.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/19/2008 9:53:17 AM
johnmag,
"I think you are were too young to remember the pardon of Richard Nixon by President Gerald Ford. The pardon was for impeachable offenses. So where does say impeachment is not pardonable?"
I was a teenageer at the time and you did not understand what was said. Nixon was not impeached. He resigned before the proceedings and once he was no longer in office the impeachment procees stopped. Ford pardoned him for any cromes he may have committed that he could have been tried in criminal court for, outside of the impeachment.
"So if you think you can get Bush in jail for all his crimes he has committed over the last 7+ years, you better have a fool proof plan. "
Since there is no intention of impeaching Bush, he cuold still pardon himself for criminal charges not yet charged. But that is unlikely to happen, and he is unlikely to be charged in any US Court.
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Posted By: Zentrist @ 11/18/2008 10:14:36 AM
What happened to Libby is utterly tragic. He should be pardoned. There is such a thing as mercy. What would Lincoln have done?
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Posted By: memo2 @ 11/18/2008 7:24:15 AM
There is a reason this people are in prision.
As far I understand regarding Mr: Bill Clinton, is a Human person like you like me, O sorry you are diferent, A clean person who never make any mistake, and always said the truth right?... -
Posted By: Momma K @ 11/18/2008 2:46:07 AM
Actually the Federal prison system is badly broken. There are far too many non-violent offenders taking up time, space and tax payer $$. Since the abolishment of Federal good time and the creation of mandatory minimum sentences our prisons are busting at the seams for no good reason. We spend annualy some where in the neighborhood of 60 billion dollars to keep the prisons up and running and while some of that is necessary to keep the murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists of the streets, that number could be greatly reduced by looking for alternatives to prison. Those alternatives could be in-home detention, longer terms of probation or parole for those offenders deemed non-violent. Having been personally affected by the Federal System I know that the right hand and the left hand in most of these Federal cases are not in sync and good people get stuck in a broken system to which there seems no end. As a country we have far more people in prison per capita than any other industrialized nation on earth. Tell me that's not wrong. If the non violent inmates could be dealt with in an alternative fashion, Guantanamo could be closed those detainees could be transferred to facilities on the mainland to await fair trials, current inmates could be sent home to their families and loved ones to be cared for at their own expense rather than tax payer expense and it would relieve the prison over-crowding.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:36:56 PM
Spoken like a true criminal.
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Posted By: wiseman4sure1 @ 11/18/2008 12:28:53 AM
It is good that a pardon is not legal in cases of Impeachment. So Bill Clinton should not be in any public offices ever again.
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Posted By: MadDog_ @ 11/17/2008 7:58:35 PM
It's disgusting that Bush pardoned Scooter Libby so that he didn't have to serve a single day in jail, and then turns down Ramos and Compean, who have been in prison now for 2 years. Pathetic. Bush is the worst president ever, which will be his legacy.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:34:12 PM
Maddog
just so you have your facts right LIbby wasn't pardoned his jail sentence was commuted big difference. Also if you knew the facts in the Border Patrol case they covered up the shooting initially and destroyed evidence. The shooting was secondary to the other actions.
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Posted By: russell.1949 @ 11/17/2008 4:01:24 PM
the cia is worried about obama,they should be
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Posted By: russell.1949 @ 11/17/2008 3:55:05 PM
WHY PARDON THESE PEOPLE?
LEAVE THEM TO PAY FOR THEIR DEEDS,WE THE POOR PAY FULL PRICE FOR OURS. -
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Posted By: housemouse7 @ 11/17/2008 3:43:46 AM
Remember all those German soldiers crying "I was only following orders!"? Well, each and every person wanting a pardon now are going to be saying the same thing on the stand should Bush not issue any pardons. Can a co-conspirator to the crimes actually pardon anyone, no matter WHO they are? If Hitler had issued pardons, think anyone would have cared or honored them? Criminals cannot issue pardons!
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/18/2008 8:06:22 AM
"Can a co-conspirator to the crimes actually pardon anyone, no matter WHO they are? ..... Criminals cannot issue pardons!"
Actually according to the US Constitution, the President can pardon "co-conspirators" and theoretcially even pardon himself. Whether the Us Supreme Court would uphold a self- pardon valid is a good question, but many Constitutional scholar think that they might. So yes, IF the criminal is the President they can issue pardons as long as they are in office.
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Posted By: Blackrobe @ 11/17/2008 12:12:59 AM
Why does everyone forget our brother Leonard Peltier who is serving a sentence for killing two FBI agents that even the courtd agree he did not commit. It has been proven that the FBI lied, used falce evidence, even made up evidence to gain the conviction of an innocent man. Stand up America and demand Leonards freedom. In the Spirit of Crazy Horse. Aho
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Posted By: thebob.bob @ 11/16/2008 10:16:44 PM
It would be the last cynical act by the Worst President Ever.. Pardons for members of the Bush Crime Family would cement his place in History.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:21:35 PM
You mean just like Bill Clinton did for all his criminal buddies who served with him and all his criminal buddies that he associated with - people who live in glass houses should not throw stones
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Posted By: Pupster @ 11/16/2008 7:51:02 PM
Unfortunately, because of the foolish and corrupt final pardons doled out by Bill Clinton (Marc Rich among others), we Dems don't hold the moral high ground when it comes to this issue. Too bad because Libby and Cheney should go to jail for Valerie Plame; Gonzales, Miers and others for their politicization of the Justice Department; and Karl Rove for the unjust railroading of Don Siegelman.
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Posted By: Chris A @ 11/16/2008 5:48:45 PM
If he was really going to go out boldly with a couple of high profile pardons maybe he should do Mark David Chapman or Charles Manson. Wouldn't that solidify his legacy.
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Posted By: nickgr @ 11/16/2008 5:47:32 PM
Braes offered the kind of quality comment we need...
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Posted By: Askari @ 11/16/2008 5:29:51 PM
The absolute corruption of both the democrat & republican parties has dismantled the concept of "justice" in this country. Criminals now control all facets of our lives through money and I don't know how we rein in a government that no longer listens to its citizens.
It is time that we educate ourselves on how our world really works and make moves to change the constitution in a way that empowers the working class of this country. The constitution needs some serious re-writes to re-invest the people with the power to remove elected when they no longer represent us in a beneficial way. -
Posted By: cycle3man @ 11/16/2008 5:12:53 PM
Georgie Boy will have to give himself a pardon!
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Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:46:54 PM
The process to remove them is the ballot box yet we keep re-electing the same people. We need term limits to get them out and bring in new blood.
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Posted By: cycle3man @ 11/16/2008 5:10:21 PM
Georgie Boy will have to give himself a pardon!
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Posted By: Colombo @ 11/16/2008 4:45:26 PM
Kimber Lee:
You are hereby pardoned "for writing too many entries on the same subject.," since you have completed your sentence(s) and appear remorseful (see above).
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Posted By: KIMBER LEE @ 11/16/2008 4:32:21 PM
Forgive me for writing to entries on the same subject - I thought the first one didn't post.
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Posted By: KIMBER LEE @ 11/16/2008 4:30:46 PM
This is precisely why we must demand that our representatives start impeachment proceedings now - so Bush cannot pardon these criminals.
We should especially demand that Rove's participation in the Don Seigelman case be investigated, and that he be held in contempt of Congress for ignoring the Congressional subpoena. He should be in jail, holding on Faux "News." -
Posted By: KIMBER LEE @ 11/16/2008 4:27:50 PM
We need to demand our representatives being impeachment proceedings now. That is the only way to stop Bush from being able to pardon a multitude of criminals who need to be in jail, especially Rove. We need to demand an investigation of Rove in the Don Seigelman case as that could unravel everything, and we need for him to be held in contempt of Congress.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/16/2008 6:18:37 PM
Actually that is not a valid reason for impeachment. In fact starting such preceeding for that reason is asinine and an abuse of power. Although I do think that Bush did engage in impeachable actions it would be a waste of time and effort to start impeachment proceedings now. There are more important things to focus on.
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Posted By: jradmacher @ 11/17/2008 3:05:56 PM
I agree that Bush should be impeached, we should wait and concentrate on getting the country back on track first. That might be a pardon of itself though considering how long it will take to fix all of his blunders.
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Posted By: techie22 @ 11/16/2008 2:41:54 PM
I think pardoning a person who committed treason by outing a CIA agent
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Posted By: Braes @ 11/16/2008 1:40:23 PM
The pardon power was given solely to the Executive by the framers, who described it as the "Benign Perogative." It should remain untouched, no matter the recent abuses. If there is a political objection to pardons, one should ask a candidate prior to election what their pardon policy should be. Any diminuation of the pardon power removes a check against abuses by the courts and the possible punishment of the innocent. As for Clinton's filth, and the Libby issue, those should stain the issuer, not the process.
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Posted By: nickgr @ 11/16/2008 1:39:48 PM
Sorry,error...
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Posted By: Braes @ 11/16/2008 2:01:36 PM
That is nullification. It would require a retrial, which Judges do not grant, as it means they made a mistake in the first place. It becomes the path to no check against the court. You can not petition to remove an offender from Punishment, as you have no standing. Courts rarely hear "first-friend' cases.
Stare Decisis or let it stand is how our system works. Courts only tend to reverse based on errors of process, not fact. Look up the process to get a writ of certaori before the Supreme Court. Innocence is one of the reasons the court will NOT accept a case for review. Those are the rules of the court.
That is why Ramos and Compeon can only hope for relief from the same executive branch that abused them.
I would wish Obama to take up the clemency as soon as he took the oath.
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Posted By: Mark In Irvine @ 11/16/2008 12:55:47 PM
I say give Marion Jones a pardon. She is an amazing athlete and one of the very few with the b*lls to fess up to steroid use. Marion has been a stellar American in her field and she deserves to be rewarded with the pardon.
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Posted By: nickgr @ 11/16/2008 12:41:38 PM
The pardon issue is tricky & divisive...
May the Prez ( & Governors ) should be stripped of the right to pardon.
Maybe a jury should deliberate & deliver pardons.
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Posted By: Jeronimo Dan @ 11/16/2008 12:41:02 PM
Just pray that when he and Cheney are brought on war crimes, no one give either a pardon. If anyone needs a pardon, it is Campean and Ramos, but this idiot we have as a president knows he and his sidekick should be behind bars, but will sleep good at night also knowing these two men were trying to do there jobs for the American people. It is a shame he'll go thru life never really getting anything staight.
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Posted By: Braes @ 11/16/2008 1:42:17 PM
Both were prosecuted unfairly, on a reach by an overzealous prosecutor, for a foreign government, under the sway of purjured testimony.
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Posted By: gommy goomy @ 11/16/2008 9:33:31 AM
I guess that I still don't get this "case". Scooter Libbet was convicted of not telling the truth, in a case involving 'Who Leaked The Name Of Valerie Plame to Robert Novak", even though he KNEW who had leaked the name, BEFORE he started prosecuting the case. How did he know? Because Novak TOLD HIM, and Richard Armitage, the guy who DID IT, told him as well. If ANYONE should have been up on charges, it should have been that PUNK, Patrick Fitzgerald, for wasting everybodys' time and MONEY. And the fact that That idiot Issikoff, and Mr. Horse Balls don't see it that way just confirms their BIAS, and shows why they work at a dying rag like Newsweek. A weekly. In the age of the Internet? How stupid can you be?
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Posted By: Braes @ 11/16/2008 1:47:52 PM
18 USC 1001. You can either claim the 5th and shut up, or tell the truth. You do not get the choice: "To Lie, Utter Falsehoods, with the intent to decieve."
All of the rest is not attributable to the specific act of uttering a falsehood under oath. It is additional window dressing that can distract, but not lawfully impact. It is irrelevant. Now a Republican prosecutor, appointed by a Republican Attorney General, to investigate a Republican, resulted in a conviction. I realize it is hard for a Republican to believe that any Republican could possibly get convicted under such circumstances, and frankly it boggles my mind, but it occured. Usually when Republicans stack the deck they get the cards they want. -
Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 11/16/2008 9:36:34 AM
Well said and right on!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/15/2008 8:36:19 PM
Stand firm President Bush!
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Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 11/16/2008 12:15:09 AM
Pia, I agree with you but hope that he pardons the two border patrol agents. Their lives have been destroyed simply for trying to do their jobs and protect the integrity of our southern border.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/16/2008 4:42:49 PM
Of course. I meant the criminals only!
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Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 11/15/2008 9:02:12 PM
He already pardoned a traitor who outed a CIA agent. What else can you expect from him? Stand firm my foot!
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Posted By: Braes @ 11/16/2008 1:54:16 PM
Remember 9% still think Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever. They generally know squat about law, civics, history, philosophy, jurisprudence, precedent, and the other trappings of freedom and a secular government.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/16/2008 4:45:52 PM
I don't believe Pres. Bush is the greatest. Where in my comments did I state that??? Btw, I'm an Obama supporter.
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Posted By: Kathyt @ 11/16/2008 2:25:04 PM
Remarks like that show how ignorant you are. You should never deem to know someone you never met. Didn't your mother teach you any manners????
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/16/2008 4:48:53 PM
Thank you, Kathy.
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Posted By: MOJOLINUX @ 11/16/2008 3:01:13 PM
Kathyt
Who you calling ignorant? "Didn`t your mother teach you any manners???"-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 11/16/2008 4:47:18 PM
What of Braes? What did his comments to me mean?
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