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  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:02:25 PM

    ghostmassuer

    WMD's everyone believed he had them including every democrat and all intel passed from Clinton to Bush said the same. Incidentally, all demos voted for the war but later pulled a Bill Clinton I voted for it but did not support it and thought it was advisory only.

    The troops were not under equipped - they tore through the Iraqi army so fast the supply lines could not keep
    up with their rapid advance.

    Waterboarding may be torture by it causes no lasting effects and saved thousand of American lives. Speaking of torture like the NVA did to McCain permenantly disfiguring him, Hussien tortured and murder over 500,000 Iraqis, 17000 Kawait's gassed 500 Kurds and wanted to genocide the whole population of Kurd he was a WMD himself.

    In 1962 the democratic supreme court removed God from our government thereby creating new law.
    When this nation was founded you could not hold office even after elected without publicly affirming faith in Christ. What has happened since 1962: Violent crime up 500%, teen pregnancy up 500%, divorce rate 50%, 70% of minority children born to single parent households, STD's are at all time highs, pornography is protected and viewable by even young children, sexual redators are everywhere - yeah we've come along way baby -just not the right way.

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/23/2008 1:50:18 PM

      "In 1962 the democratic supreme court removed God from our government thereby creating new law."

      First off they did not create new law, they correctly ruled on exsting unconstitutional old law.
      As for it being a "democratic court":

      Engel vs Vitale was decided by a 6-1 vote with Warren, Harlan and Brenan, all nominated by Eisenhower, Douglas, Clark and Black were nominate by FDR and Truman. Therefore it was equally Republican and Democratic.

      Abington School District v. Schempp was decided 8-1 with Warren, Harlan, Brennan being Republican nominees. And they were considered three top-flight legal scholars.


      "When this nation was founded you could not hold office even after elected without publicly affirming faith in Christ. "

      Bull. The US Constitution specifically prohibits a relgious test for holding office.

  • Posted By: King-Kameha @ 11/19/2008 3:39:50 PM

    Can W ask Richard Cheney to give back 40 Billion dollars for the rebuilding of bagdad Iraq which I never saw happen.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 6:01:18 PM

      Did you Know? I didn't know!
      How could we?
      Did you know that 47 countries' have
      reestablished their embassies in Iraq ?

      Did you know that the Iraqi government
      currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?
      Did you know
      that 3100 schools have been renovated,
      364 schools are under rehabilitation,
      263 new schools are now under construction;
      and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?
      Did you know
      that Iraq 's higher educational structure consists
      of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers,
      all currently operating?
      Did you know
      that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in
      January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?
      Did you know
      that the Iraqi Navy is operational?
      They have 5 - 100-foot patrol craft,
      34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.
      Did you know
      that Iraq ' s Air Force consists of three operational squadrons,
      Which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft
      (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night,
      and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?
      Did you know
      that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?
      Did you know
      that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000
      fully trained and equipped police officers?
      Did you know
      that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq
      that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?
      Did you know
      there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq ?
      They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals,
      83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities
      and 69 electrical facilities.
      Did you know
      that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5
      have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
      Did you know
      that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?
      Did you know
      that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
      and phone use has gone up 158%?
      Did you know
      that Iraq has an independent media that consists of
      75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?
      Did you know
      that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?
      Did you know
      that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a
      televised debate recently?
      OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!
      WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?
      BECAUSE OUR MEDIA WON'T TELL US!
      Instead of reflecting our love for our country,
      we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib
      and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.
      Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive
      in Iraq serves two purposes:

      It is intended to undermine the world's perception
      of the United States thus minimizing consequent support;
      and it is intended to discourage American citizens.
      ---- Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site.

      http://www.defenselink.mil/ Did you know? Why I didn't know But I know now.....

      • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/21/2008 7:41:05 AM

        Actually that information WAS reported by the media (including the Washington Post).
        I know because I read most of it there over the last few years.

        Your assertion that the media is intentionally trying to demoralize the US is garbage.

        • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 4:28:39 PM

          Not the US - Bush and the GOP Whom the media and peopel like you hate.

          • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/23/2008 1:30:04 PM

            you said: "It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States thus minimizing consequent support; and it is intended to discourage American citizens. "

            Bush and the GOP are not the only "American Citizens."

            I do not hate Bush or the GOP. I have contempt for Bush and Cheney and what the GOP has allowed itself to become. I have hope that the GOP can regain itself by tossing the ultra-right wingers and ultra-con relgious types away since they are trying to force their religion and social views on others and make laws that violate our privacy and look into our bedrooms (exactly the opposite of what true conservatives should be doing). I hate what they have done to our standing the world. I hate that instead of choosing a true conservative (and someone with a functional brian) like Christine Todd Whitman as a VP candidate, they chose Caribou Barbie, and McCain bent over and spread them for slime like Pat Robertson.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:07:58 PM

    ghostmasseur:

    In addition all laws are biblically based. So I guess then all laws are illegal and it is pretty much up to the individual on what they feel is right and wrong. Maybe you should read the Bible you might learn something. One thing you may learn is that you reap what you sow. We have abandoned Godly principles and you can see the result. Not only here but across the globe maybe the financial meltdown is a warning to change and become spiritually based again instead of finacially based. If your position of religiously based laws beign a violation was followed then everything would be legal based on everyone's own belief. Lock your doors and by your guns before Obama outlaws the purchase. You are going to need it.

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/23/2008 1:23:04 PM

      John Dough,

      "In addition all laws are biblically based."
      Actually as PistovAmerinca pointed out, not htey are not. They are based on the Hammurabic codes among others.

      "Maybe you should read the Bible you might learn something."
      I have read it, (several versions of the Christian one as well as the original Hebrew TaNaKH that you guys used as the basis for your OT) and I spent years teaching it (both before and after realizing that it was man-made).

      "We have abandoned Godly principles and you can see the result."
      Man-made principles since god is man-made.

      "If your position of religiously based laws beign a violation was followed then everything would be legal based on everyone's own belief."
      BNot at all. Common sense laws are what society needs, not religous fantaasy.

      "Lock your doors and by your guns before Obama outlaws the purchase."
      That is bull. Obama has never said that he would outlaw guns and anyone who says he has is lying.

  • Posted By: PistovAmerican @ 11/23/2008 12:31:06 PM

    Religion was decreed as not part of our government from the outset. Laws are morality based, not Biblically based. The Bible contains laws that mirror the morality of societies since time immemorial. Remember the code of Hammurabi? Most societies contain similar laws because they all deal with the same situations-- human beings trying to live together. The Bible doesn't hold a premium on these. Bush's numbers by the way, are much lower than both Truman and Nixon, the 2 former 1st and 2nd place holders for disapproval ratings. Sticking to your guns when "your guns" were wrong is not really a virtue.

  • Posted By: AshamedofYou @ 11/21/2008 10:42:06 PM

    Bush doesnt need to pardon anyone in his administration because all the "Crimes" he is accused of are fantasy and political hate speech. History will also vindicate him once the administration is examined in the cold light of reality, and not in the hot spotlight of left wing media bias.

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/22/2008 9:57:05 AM

      So you have drunk Michelle Malkin's braindraining kool-aid?

      What a fool. Bush will likely go down as one of the worst president in US history and the damage he and his crew have caused the US will take decades to repair.

      • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:17:38 PM

        Bush leaves office with higher poll numbers then both Truman and Carter (democrats). Carter was by far the worst president of the last 60 years hands down. 17% mortgage rates, gas lines everywhere, 10% unemployment, US hostages in Iran, and on and on the list goes. He was as inept as he is nice. Bush stuck to his guns and did what he said he was going to do. If you remember 90% of citizens supported the was in the beginning. He could have been another Clinton and after 9/11 uttered those still repulsive words Clinto did after every terrorist attack while he was in office. We are going to hunt down these terrorists and hold them accountable. Followed by nothing until the next attack and then those famous words again. He could have had Bin Laden killed while in office and forced Israel to release Mohammad Atta in the Olson Accord prisoner exchange. Both of them repaid us for our generosity. Like it or not at least Bush did what he said he was going to do and not provide just lip service.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/22/2008 5:01:51 PM

    ghostmassuer

    WMD's everyone believed he had them including every democrat and all intel passed from Clinton to Bush said the same. Incidentally, all demos voted for the war but later pulled a Bill Clinton I voted for it but did not support it and thought it was advisory only.

    The troops were not under equipped - they tore through the Iraqi army so fast the supply lines could not keep
    up with their rapid advance.

    Waterboarding may be torture by it causes no lasting effects and saved thousand of American lives. Speaking of torture like the NVA did to McCain permenantly disfiguring him, Hussien tortured and murder over 500,000 Iraqis, 17000 Kawait's gassed 500 Kurds and wanted to genocide the whole population of Kurd he was a WMD himself.

    In 1962 the democratic supreme court removed God from our government thereby creating new law.
    When this nation was founded you could not hold office even after elected without publicly affirming faith in Christ. What has happened since 1962: Violent crime up 500%, teen pregnancy up 500%, divorce rate 50%, 70% of minority children born to single parent households, STD's are at all time highs, pornography is protected and viewable by even young children, sexual redators are everywhere - yeah we've come along way baby -just not the right way.

  • Posted By: AshamedofYou @ 11/21/2008 10:41:59 PM

    Bush doesnt need to pardon anyone in his administration because all the "Crimes" he is accused of are fantasy and political hate speech. History will also vindicate him once the administration is examined in the cold light of reality, and not in the hot spotlight of left wing media bias.

  • Posted By: joep1976 @ 11/21/2008 5:20:59 PM

    John Dough what does that have to do with pardons?

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:11:55 PM

    What crimes did Bush commit?

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/21/2008 7:37:52 AM

      To name just a few:
      Lying to the American People about the WMD's
      Underequipping our troops at the beginning of the war.
      Authorizing the torture of prisoners (waterboarding Is torture).
      Violating the Establishment clause by trying to make religiously based laws, (Of course he is not the only one doing that)

  • Posted By: cycle3man @ 11/16/2008 5:12:53 PM

    Georgie Boy will have to give himself a pardon!

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:46:54 PM

      The process to remove them is the ballot box yet we keep re-electing the same people. We need term limits to get them out and bring in new blood.

  • Posted By: Momma K @ 11/18/2008 2:46:07 AM

    Actually the Federal prison system is badly broken. There are far too many non-violent offenders taking up time, space and tax payer $$. Since the abolishment of Federal good time and the creation of mandatory minimum sentences our prisons are busting at the seams for no good reason. We spend annualy some where in the neighborhood of 60 billion dollars to keep the prisons up and running and while some of that is necessary to keep the murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists of the streets, that number could be greatly reduced by looking for alternatives to prison. Those alternatives could be in-home detention, longer terms of probation or parole for those offenders deemed non-violent. Having been personally affected by the Federal System I know that the right hand and the left hand in most of these Federal cases are not in sync and good people get stuck in a broken system to which there seems no end. As a country we have far more people in prison per capita than any other industrialized nation on earth. Tell me that's not wrong. If the non violent inmates could be dealt with in an alternative fashion, Guantanamo could be closed those detainees could be transferred to facilities on the mainland to await fair trials, current inmates could be sent home to their families and loved ones to be cared for at their own expense rather than tax payer expense and it would relieve the prison over-crowding.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:36:56 PM

      Spoken like a true criminal.

  • Posted By: MadDog_ @ 11/17/2008 7:58:35 PM

    It's disgusting that Bush pardoned Scooter Libby so that he didn't have to serve a single day in jail, and then turns down Ramos and Compean, who have been in prison now for 2 years. Pathetic. Bush is the worst president ever, which will be his legacy.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:34:12 PM

      Maddog
      just so you have your facts right LIbby wasn't pardoned his jail sentence was commuted big difference. Also if you knew the facts in the Border Patrol case they covered up the shooting initially and destroyed evidence. The shooting was secondary to the other actions.

  • Posted By: thebob.bob @ 11/16/2008 10:16:44 PM

    It would be the last cynical act by the Worst President Ever.. Pardons for members of the Bush Crime Family would cement his place in History.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 11/20/2008 5:21:35 PM

      You mean just like Bill Clinton did for all his criminal buddies who served with him and all his criminal buddies that he associated with - people who live in glass houses should not throw stones

  • Posted By: kb richard @ 11/19/2008 7:00:08 PM

    Who will Pardon Bush ??

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/19/2008 9:30:34 PM

      If you have read the posts you would now hat, theoretically at least, he could pardon himself. It would be an obscene thing to do, but that would be right up his alley.

  • Posted By: johnmag @ 11/18/2008 6:39:26 PM

    I think you are were too young to remember the pardon of Richard Nixon by President Gerald Ford. The pardon was for impeachable offenses. So where does say impeachment is not pardonable? Or maybe it was all in the timing, is why things worked the way they did. With Ford taking office when Nixon was flying back to California. And then as soon as Ford was President , he filed the pardon for Nixon. So if you think you can get Bush in jail for all his crimes he has committed over the last 7+ years, you better have a fool proof plan.

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/19/2008 9:53:17 AM

      johnmag,

      "I think you are were too young to remember the pardon of Richard Nixon by President Gerald Ford. The pardon was for impeachable offenses. So where does say impeachment is not pardonable?"

      I was a teenageer at the time and you did not understand what was said. Nixon was not impeached. He resigned before the proceedings and once he was no longer in office the impeachment procees stopped. Ford pardoned him for any cromes he may have committed that he could have been tried in criminal court for, outside of the impeachment.

      "So if you think you can get Bush in jail for all his crimes he has committed over the last 7+ years, you better have a fool proof plan. "

      Since there is no intention of impeaching Bush, he cuold still pardon himself for criminal charges not yet charged. But that is unlikely to happen, and he is unlikely to be charged in any US Court.

  • Posted By: Zentrist @ 11/18/2008 10:14:36 AM

    What happened to Libby is utterly tragic. He should be pardoned. There is such a thing as mercy. What would Lincoln have done?

  • Posted By: housemouse7 @ 11/17/2008 3:43:46 AM

    Remember all those German soldiers crying "I was only following orders!"? Well, each and every person wanting a pardon now are going to be saying the same thing on the stand should Bush not issue any pardons. Can a co-conspirator to the crimes actually pardon anyone, no matter WHO they are? If Hitler had issued pardons, think anyone would have cared or honored them? Criminals cannot issue pardons!

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 11/18/2008 8:06:22 AM

      "Can a co-conspirator to the crimes actually pardon anyone, no matter WHO they are? ..... Criminals cannot issue pardons!"

      Actually according to the US Constitution, the President can pardon "co-conspirators" and theoretcially even pardon himself. Whether the Us Supreme Court would uphold a self- pardon valid is a good question, but many Constitutional scholar think that they might. So yes, IF the criminal is the President they can issue pardons as long as they are in office.

  • Posted By: memo2 @ 11/18/2008 7:24:15 AM

    There is a reason this people are in prision.
    As far I understand regarding Mr: Bill Clinton, is a Human person like you like me, O sorry you are diferent, A clean person who never make any mistake, and always said the truth right?...

  • Posted By: wiseman4sure1 @ 11/18/2008 12:28:53 AM

    It is good that a pardon is not legal in cases of Impeachment. So Bill Clinton should not be in any public offices ever again.

  • Posted By: russell.1949 @ 11/17/2008 4:01:24 PM

    the cia is worried about obama,they should be
    if he (obama) has any sense he will fire these lying trouble makers,we dont needs them anyway
    we have very good military intel,why keep these lying crooks.

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