Is Obama the Antichrist?

Sorry, the ancient Mayan calender is the most accurate in the world. Do the research.

Honestly "ks43," yes, those are all coincidences. Humanity has always faced calamity of varying proportion, and the worst natural disasters even in modern recorded history did not occur recently, or in more abundance, and even if they did, well, they are reasons for the ones that do. Just do some research on the history of these things and make up your own mind, but really investigate, don't just jump to conclusions. People have said, repeatedly, that the Bible and certain alleged portents prognosticate a milieu of apocalyptic dates. 2012 is one of them yes. There have been numerous others, many which have already passed, uneventfully. Apocalyptisists have decried the End of Times as arriving dozens of times already, and they're always wrong. Just remember that, they too definitely thought they were right. Some sold everything they owned, some prepared as if the world would not be there tomorrow. But it was. Obvioulsy this matter cannot and will not be settled by use discussing what may or may not happen in the future, BUT, I make this offer. If you are confident having thought about it all that the sum of these things add up to Obama being the Antichrist and the Battle of Armageddon happening in 2012, then let's figure out a way to exchange email addresses, and I will happily email you in 2013 to just Hi and comment on how we're all still here and the world didn't end. If that happened, I would expect a honest person to concede that they may have miscalculated.

By the way, "Nostradomas [sic], ancient Mayans, Dobe Indians, and Ancient Egyptians" all used much different calendars, so even if you read something that indicates if one translated an ancient cultures prophecy into the Judeo-Christian calendar year system that they all think the world will end in 2012, that is NOWHERE near an exact science, and cannot possibly predicate a date in our modern calendar system with any accuracy, let alone a specific year.

I agree with you "toomany", Here is other coincedences, Nostradomas, ancient Mayans, Dobe Indians, and Ancient Egyptians all have the same 2012 prediction. I beleive that we entered into the 7 year tribulation period in 2005 with Hurricane Katrina and the hurricane season that was off the charts!! Since then we have had floods,wildfires, and earthquakes of enormous proportions!! If you believe these are end time scenarios then there is one thing missing. The Antichrist. In Revelations, it states that the Antichrist will be in power for 42 months. If you do the math, that will bring you close to 2012. We also know that there will be a peace treaty signed by Israel and her enemies. Supposedly, it will be a 7 year treaty. But,....it will be broken after three and a half years and that will usher in the battle of Armaggedon. Do the math,..that will put us close to the ancient predictions. Is that too a coincedence??

I don't know if the opposite of fact is always complete fiction, but you're still extrapolating what I said about Revelations to the entire Bible. In the context of the Bible, Revelations is not supposed to be true, it's supposed to be a dream recollection. There's no real intellectual dispute about that. And if you can find part of the Bible that says "Jesus will ride a horse from heaven and slay Barack Obama with a sword," one, I'd love to see it, and two, yes, I would say that part of the Bible is not factually accurate (if it existed). Nor does the Bible say anything about the world ending in 2010 or 2012. If it did, then I guess I disagree with that as well.

You said I "admitted" I thought the Bible was fiction. Not true. I said that the Book of Revelations is not SUPPOSED to be construed as factual truth. And it's not. It's not presented as truth in the Bible, it's presented as a dream "revelation," so me saying that it's not supposed to predict fact in no way disagrees with the text. And that's all I said. So yes, give me more examples please if you have them. You indicated that you did. Not that it matters, I'm telling you right now that's not what I think, so I'm not sure at all what it proves for you to try and "prove" that I think otherwise.

were you wanting any more examples?

here is another quote from you indicating that you do not believe what is in the Bible to be factual


The world won't end, whatever exactly that means, but certainly not in a grand spiritual way, in 2010 or 2012, or in anyone's lifetime. Jesus will not ride from Heaven on a horse and slay Barack Obama. I don't know to make you understand that if you think that may happen. But anyway, the point is that thinking that will happen or could happen or that any of this is a real situation afflicting our planet or us a people is that it completely fosters an attitude where improving things, the world, international relations, the environment, social rifts, RELIGIOUS rifts, is seen as either INTERFERING with this prophecy, or pointless because all that bad stuff is a sign that the wonderful Rapture is coming.

"I would implore any person who actually believes that Revelations somehow prophesizes fact, in any of this End of Times proganda that is used to sell books and movies, the Rapture, the idea that Jesus himself will ride from heaven on a stallion with a sword and literally slay the enemies of God (or Barack Obama apparently), "

the opposite of fact is fiction

this worldwide appeal is a necessary quality of the antichrist

unless they have this they cannot be considered to be the antichrist

I really don't recall all this chatter about any other president possibly being a legitimate "Antichrist," and I promise you, if you sat down and poured over the facts at the time, you could make this argument about many of them.


ok name just one us president upon election appealed to so many different people all over the world.
ok how about John F kennedy
were people in Japan and germany dancing and celebrating in the streets when he was elected name one other president that was this well loved

They tried to say Ronald Reagan was the Antichrist because if you look at his full name Ronald Wilson Reagan people interpreted it to be 6-6-6. What I say as well as "toomany" is saying is that look at all the coincedences so far leading up to and including his inaugeration. Ronald Reagan did not have as many coincedences which is why he was later dismissed into possibly being the Antichrist. I have an African American friend of mine that I discussed Obama with and he was supposed to give me a dvd that goes into detail about Obama and his actual lineage. I believe he told me something about his father being from Kenya and possibly having an Egyptian blood line as well. Why is this important?? Because, it would further support the mysteries of the Antichrist. I am not saying he is but someone prove to me he isn't . I am not worried and I pray to God that Obama is successfull. I, like many others in the USA am currently unemployed and have been since late December. I would love to see him open up the job market but the employment situation is very bleak right now.I also know what time it is in history. Even the President of Iran said as he addressed the United Nations last year, that we were entering into the Messianic Age. I don't agree with how he runs his country, but I did agree with that point. I just think that there are lots of coincedences that need to be looked at very carefully.

3. "have you even read the posts on here? the arguments and the reasons we believe he could possibly be the antichrist?"

Yes, which as I said, is why I think some of the amorphous paranoia regarding Obama is rooted in xenophobia. He's different, he's an outsider, he can't be trusted.. I think some of that feeling has to do with his being not white. I'm glad that's not why YOU feel he's a strong candidate for the "Antichrist," but you don't necessarily feel exactly the same thing as everyone else, and I think it's a factor here. There's big difference between making race a factor where it's not, i.e, the BART shooting in Oakland, so-called "playing the race card," and recognizing the sly way in which race effects the way we think and feel. We can do one without the other. Bottom line, I really don't recall all this chatter about any other president possibly being a legitimate "Antichrist," and I promise you, if you sat down and poured over the facts at the time, you could make this argument about many of them.

I admire you for being able to write coherently "toomany," which is more than can be said of some people who post here, but you jump to so many conclusions that it's hard to take your message seriously, to whit:

1. "lol trythinking i would like to know where you got this conservative statistic and why do you only have the statistics for white christians you do not think that black christians believe in end time prophesies? i assure you they do"

Where did I get that statistic? Um, try the very article that you supposedly read and commented on. Lisa Miller, in THIS article, writes "According to a 2006 study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, a third of white evangelicals believe the world will end in their lifetimes." I was simply responding to the article, which what I thought this was for. I really wish you would try understanding what someone is saying instead of simply assuming that they are disagree with you and therefore must be throwing manipulated information at you to achieve their purposes.

2. "as you have admitted in your earlier post you believe the Bible to be a work of fiction and do not believe anything in the bible to be true you do not believe in the antichrist and you do not believe that jesus will return to earth"

Where did I say that? Show me. Show me where I said any of that. All I said was that the Book of Revelations is not be taken as fact in the context of the Bible, it is the account of a dream sequence. That's all. That's true, and most Christians who bother to understand and learn history agree. I'm not sure if you agree or not. It really doesn't make for a healthy discussion for you to extrapolate that statement into me saying the entire Bible is "fiction." In fact, at the end of my post, I encouraged Christians and non-Christians alike to focus on the actual words and acts of Jesus, as found in the Bible, because of the quality of the message that can be found there. I feel like that implies that I don't regard the Bible as fictional.

and it has absolutely nothing to do with obama being half black .
have you even read the posts on here? the arguments and the reasons we believe he could possibly be the antichrist?
we do not know if he is or not. i hope he is not i hope he does a great job with the country that would be so great we really need that and its exciting that a black man has been elected and im inspired and happy about that
i am not racist at all why do people always have to play the race card with everything

" It's very scary that 1/3 of white evangelicals think that the "world" will end in their lifetime. "

lol trythinking i would like to know where you got this conservative statistic and why do you only have the statistics for white christians you do not think that black christians believe in end time prophesies? i assure you they do

as you have admitted in your earlier post you believe the Bible to be a work of fiction and do not believe anything in the bible to be true you do not believe in the antichrist and you do not believe that jesus will return to earth

you are blind and cannot see what we christians can see and it would be unwise for anyone to take direction from a blind man or to teach in a language that you have never heard before.

" Leaving religious belief aside, you would have to be insane to think that.. You do realize that TV execs, not God, make programming schedules right? "

yes "trythinking" i am aware that God does not sit down and write out the programming schedule for cable
But God DOES has and always will influence people

many many times while reading my bible i have been inspired to go to a certain area of the bible and to read a certain passage and what i read comforts me and speaks to me and answers my questions .

and God directs people to do things, to go places to speak to someone and sometimes to change the channel
if this is something that you have never experienced then i feel bad for you and i hope that someday you will experience it.

And although some people can become obsessed with end time prophesies i do agree with you that such an obsession is a waste of time and energy.
but i think the majority of people here discussing this are not obsessed our lives are not revolved around trying to decode the end time dates and times, we are just making observations and discussing something that interests us as believers and what is wrong with that?

In any event, you can either waste your time figuring out how and why your new president is the Biblical Antichrist, or think about something that you have input and control over. Live the best life you can and make the world as good for as many people as possible, and you won't be in trouble when the Rapture comes, and if it doesn't, well the world will that much better a place to live in. For the Christians, it would be nice to remember that doing that is what the majority of the Bible is actually about - not grand visions of the apocalypse - and certainly almost all of what Jesus actually spoke about.

This stuff is the worst of religious paranoia, and I'm saying this because it's not just silly or misguided or a waste of time, it's dangerous. It's very scary that 1/3 of white evangelicals think that the "world" will end in their lifetime. Trust me, our new president is not the Antichrist. He will not usher in the End of Times. It won't happen. The world won't end, whatever exactly that means, but certainly not in a grand spiritual way, in 2010 or 2012, or in anyone's lifetime. Jesus will not ride from Heaven on a horse and slay Barack Obama. I don't know to make you understand that if you think that may happen. But anyway, the point is that thinking that will happen or could happen or that any of this is a real situation afflicting our planet or us a people is that it completely fosters an attitude where improving things, the world, international relations, the environment, social rifts, RELIGIOUS rifts, is seen as either INTERFERING with this prophecy, or pointless because all that bad stuff is a sign that the wonderful Rapture is coming. Things falling apart on earth is only greater proof that you're getting closer to heaven and peace? Someone trying to bring peace to Israel and unite people and work together is the Antichrist? I can't think of many more counter-productive mindsets to the future of human kind than that (I'm sure there are others, but it is a big one).

Being close minded and radical about anything is more about procedure than substance. You can be an unthinking zealot who is Christian or Muslim, who supports abortion or opposes it, who thinks Barack Obama is the Messiah or the Antichrist. When radicals on different sides fight each other, they are really fighting against people just like themselves who happen to believe very polarized things in the same fundamental way. Oh, and not jumping to any conclusions, I'm sure many people feel Obama is the Antichrist for many varied reasons, but the sense that he might actually be the ANTICHRIST, that he is "strange," "an outsider," that we should be any more "wary" of him than we were of any other president, that something 'just isn't right," is definitely rooted in at best, tacit racism. People need to get over the idea that "racism" is a simple pejorative and that if you don't hate someone because of their race, that race doesn't play any issue in anything. It's simply, and obviously, not true. If you are unfamiliar with a certain race or culture, if you were raised in an environment were you weren't exposed to people of that race and culture and frequently, or where they were treated as different or outsiders, there is a good chance that whether you want to or not, you will have a in-group/out-group feeling towards that person. That's really more science than opinion, and it shouldn't be construed as insult, but as an unavoidable process to be aware of.

If this is a response to what I wrote, I'd say you are confusing two different issues: (1) whether Obama is the Messiah, or (2) whether he is the Antichrist. One has nothing to do with the other, and just because people are all excited about him in a Messianic way certainly doesn't mean that he's in fact the actual Antichrist. I'm rather positive that he is neither Messiah nor Antichrist, and that he is just a guy, a successful politician, and our current president.

I would implore any person who actually believes that Revelations somehow prophesizes fact, in any of this End of Times proganda that is used to sell books and movies, the Rapture, the idea that Jesus himself will ride from heaven on a stallion with a sword and literally slay the enemies of God (or Barack Obama apparently), all of these specifics, etc., to do some historical research into this prophecy. There have been literally thousands of movements of people who were absolutely CONVINCED (as this article notes) that the End of Times was coming, that all the coincidences were mounting, and they were POSITIVE that they were right. This has happened over and over again, and it will continue to do so. In fact, many people were certainly saying that around 2000, the turn of the millennium. One reason? You can read literally any societal flux into the story. Things going bad in the world? Yes, that will always be happening to some extent, somewhere. It must be the End of Times! Things starting to look up? Yes, that happens usually in response to something bad happening previously. Guess what, it's the End of Times again because the prophecy states that we will be lulled into trusting the Antichrist through good things happening! Every major and minor disaster/pandemic/war/discovery/social change/whatever has had some number of people decrying the end of the world. Yet, all those people inevitably turn out to be wrong.

Last night, I had watched the innauguaration almost all day and was a little tired of seeing this. I looked at my channel guide and found the Christian Channel Daystar and they were showing "Left Behind" and Left Behind 2 "Tribulation Force" back to back. It just so happened that it was on the night of the inaugueration.

its amazing how God directs us isnt it

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Leaving religious belief aside, you would have to be insane to think that.. You do realize that TV execs, not God, make programming schedules right? And that as hard as this is to believe, Christian Channel Daystar and its employees are well aware of their demographic and what its thoughts are on the Rapture and Obama are and what not. You make it sound like a Christian TV station's decision to air two movies during the inauguration is somehow a divine coincidence. And it's really nice that literally anyone who is charismatic and popular, brings peace between countries, or to Israel, will be labeled as the Antichrist. Thankfully, if you believe correctly, there is nothing you can do about the ascension of the Antichrist and its a good thing anyway because it will speed the End of Times. So, why don't you all stop worrying about it? When it happens, it happens, you will apparently be better off. Otherwise, you will be afraid of every politician who is any good. Your criteria for the Antichrist are the criteria for anyone who would be in the position to make the world a better place, you get that right? You must at least agree that those initial qualities of the Antichrist aren't evil qualities, so someone could actually unite the world and advocate peace WITHOUT being the Antichrist. If you really believe that anyone who fits that description should be feared as the Antichrist, then you're advocating that we only trust/support/elect unpopular people who make everyone feel bad and bring war and tension to the world.