Is Obama the Antichrist?

" Obama's true believers respond as though they've spent their whole lives out in the cold. At rally after rally, a few people literally faint.
OBAMA: [Montage of Obama reacting to fainting]: Is somebody okay? Did somebody just get faint? It looks like we have somebody who may have fainted. Hold on a second, young lady. Are you okay? Why don't you sit down though.

" Politics doesn't even begin to describe it. A visit to an Obama rally is a pilgrimage."
From Boise to Baltimore, he's winning them over. For you, is it even a close call between him and Hillary Clinton? "

SECOND OBAMA SUPPORTER (FEMALE): Not at all. Because, as he said, she is the past, he is the future and the present. You know, you have to move forward.

OBAMA: There is a moment in the life of every generation, if it is to make its mark on history, where that spirit of hope has to come through.
From the looks on their faces, they're yearning to hear stuff like that. As though they've waited for so long, they've almost lost hope. And now he comes along.
BALTIMORE ??? Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings has held elected office for more than a quarter-century, so he's seen his fair share of politicians come and go.
But apparently he's never seen one quite like Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.
"This is not a campaign for president of the United States, this is a movement to change the world," he said as he introduced Obama last week in Baltimore.
"You do not get 13,000 people in this auditorium with a campaign."
As over the top as it may have sounded, Cummings' sentiments weren't all that unusual.
Because when it comes to Obama, hyperbole seems to be the rule, not the exception."

He walks into a room and you want to follow him somewhere, anywhere," George Clooney told talk show host Charlie Rose.


"I'll do whatever he says to do," actress Halle Berry said to the Philadelphia Daily News. "I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."


On Etsy, a crafts auction website, you can buy Obama jewelry, paintings, and even a homemade Obama Valentine. The card shows a sketch of the candidate with the text, "I want to Barack your world."


Last week, Obama attracted a crowd of 19,000 to the Kohl Center in Madison, Wis.


Four days earlier, more than 18,000 voters filled Seattle's Key Arena to see him.


The 3,000 that didn't get in waited in the cold for over an hour to hear a roughly two-minute version of his stump speech.


When Obama finally took the stage, the crowd roared so loudly that a local reporter in the press section covered her ears.


At an Omaha, Neb., rally the day before, supporters leaned perilously over railings, screaming and crying, trying to touch Obama as he passed.

What makes Obama different from other African Americans, who do not find any cause for celebration in America's racial progress, is the way in which he sees himself as a necessary fulfillment of the Civil Rights movement. Thus, immediately after referring with great brevity to both the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement, Obama put his own candidacy front and center:


"This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign -- to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together -- unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction -- towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren."


In other words, it is Obama himself who will bring to fruition Martin Luther King's dream of a post-racial America. To this end, Obama is not advancing himself as one who should be President because he's the best man for the job, but as one who should become President because he, personally, by being some racial fulfillment incarnate, will save us from the last remaining "stains" that the Founders created.

As always, it appears that you are trying to paint conservative Christians as people who do not live in reality; that we are uneducated and fanatical. Yes, we do take the Bible seriously, however, we understand that there are passages that are symbolic and others that are literal. It would be foolish to believe that the Antichrist is this seven-headed dragon instead of an actual human being. I do not believe that Barack Obama is the Antichrist, nor should people take it seriously when Rush Limbaugh, who likes to demonstrate absurdity by being absurd, or Sean Hannity poke fun at President Obama by calling him the Messiah or the Annoited One (I'm an avid listener to both talk-show hosts). What they are doing is pointing out that people are blindedly following a man who they believe can fix all the problems of the world. People will follow the Antichrist with much more fervor.

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im still waiting on the "contrary evidence" so far you havent given me ANY evidence at all you have just shared with me your own ideas and your own personal beliefs about this topic which is not the same as "evidence:

(mustve ran out of room)

by the way trythinking ..... im glad you decided to stay a little while longer :0).

" I was interested in talking about this issue - socially, politically, PRACTICALLY - but not going back and forth about details that no one can prove or disprove, like whether Obama indeed meets so and so criteria for being an Antichrist or what the ancient Maya thought."

sounds logical, nobody knows really how the ancient myans thought its not like they kept diaries explaining it all for us right.....
except you do a 360 on that when you go on to say.....

" As I showed you, Maya scholars regard the calendar ending not as a sign of the end of the world, but the start of a new calender cycle."
" They call it a popular, grossly-distorted myth that 2012 means the end of anything. In fact, it would be a time of celebration for the Maya, I get the feeling something like New Years. You don't have to believe that, but it seems to be true. And you have almost no reason I can see to think otherwise, other than that you subscribed to the "urban legend" and don't want to let it go in the face of contrary evidence "

......Now YOU are claiming to know the inner workings and how they thought about things and "details that nobody can prove or disprove"







" I hope you can see though the kind of damage this sort of thinking has on government policy, like our relationship with Israel, the environment, foreign policy, sustainability, etc. "

i do not see how christians believing in the second coming has influence over any of these things unless you are referring to religion in general???







" Thinking the world will continue infinitely and we should be good stewards of our planet and the people on it, and thinking the world will end, perhaps very soon, in a glorious battle of God and Satan (and Barack Obama), are very different things in terms of how you shape things for the future. It's the difference between how you would take care of your home if you thought it was either going to be passed down through generations of your family to come, OR that it was going to burn down next week. I think you'd do things differently in those different situations in terms of what you'd invest in the house and how you'd behave in it. I hope you see that."

although you claim to know christian beliefs and values christian people believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of this statement . instead of living life as if the end will never come christians believe that they should live their lives as if the end could come at any moment without any signs without any warning . we christians believe that we should ALWAYS be ready for christs return at any moment. if you are not aware that this is a universal christian view it shows that you are isolated from christian belief.







" you subscribed to the "urban legend" and don't want to let it go in the face of contrary evidence."

im still waiting on the "contrary evidence" so far you havent given me ANY evidence at all you have ju

And to your atheist comment, I think it is sort of troubling because I don't think I ever gave you anything from which you could reasonably infer that I was an atheist, or an anything else. I will not answer that question because I think it is irrelevant to anything I've said.


first there are several comments that you have made that would make any person think that you are an athiest all of your comments of you making fun of biblical prophesies all the comments that i have already copy and pasted when you asked me about them

and the fact that you do not believe how being an athiest has any relevance to this issue religion has a BIG relevance over this issue this is about religion what do you think prophesy is?
were not discussing science or politics here if we were your religious beliefs wouldnt matter at all
we are debating religion and so your religious beliefs are of course VERY relevant to the topic

if i was interested in learning how to survive in the wilderness of Alaska for example i would not place too much value on the advice and viewpoint of someone who lived in lets say sothern california who has no experience in camping or the terrain or survival techniques of alaska.
i understand that they are still a human being with a viewpoint ......... but still i would think that the opinion of an alaskan native would be more valuable than that of a california native

the fact that you dance around the subject of your religous beliefs and refuse to answer the question are you an athiest ?
is a big red flag to me


and this comment makes absolutely no sense at all ....
" I hope you can see though the kind of damage this sort of thinking has on government policy, like our relationship with Israel, the environment, foreign policy, sustainability, etc. " so christians believing that we are in the end times

And to your atheist comment, I think it is sort of troubling because I don't think I ever gave you anything from which you could reasonably infer that I was an atheist, or an anything else. I will not answer that question because I think it is irrelevant to anything I've said. If someone is making sense and speaking the truth, they should be listened to regardless of faith, creed, race, gender, etc., just like if someone is speaking manipulation, lies, or ignorance, they should be discounted regardless of whether they attend the same church as you, are a close friend, etc. I will note that MOST Christians definitely do not subscribe to this End Times prophecy stuff, so to think someone cannot be Christian because they think that it was not meant to be focused on, taken literally as a prediction of the future, and that the more important parts of the Bible should be focused on more and this sort of stuff less (or not at all), is very ignorant and does not speak well of your ability to see other perspectives. But, I'm glad you fundamentally want good things like peace and prosperity, and that you are not rooting for Obama to be the Antichrist. We can agree on that. But I hope you can see though the kind of damage this sort of thinking has on government policy, like our relationship with Israel, the environment, foreign policy, sustainability, etc. Thinking the world will continue infinitely and we should be good stewards of our planet and the people on it, and thinking the world will end, perhaps very soon, in a glorious battle of God and Satan (and Barack Obama), are very different things in terms of how you shape things for the future. It's the difference between how you would take care of your home if you thought it was either going to be passed down through generations of your family to come, OR that it was going to burn down next week. I think you'd do things differently in those different situations in terms of what you'd invest in the house and how you'd behave in it. I hope you see that.

I guess I couldn't stay away. To that comment about not being able to "handle this," that really has nothing to do with it. I feel like I can answer absolutely any questions that have been posed, I don't think there really were any posed to me I didn't address. I was interested in talking about this issue - socially, politically, PRACTICALLY - but not going back and forth about details that no one can prove or disprove, like whether Obama indeed meets so and so criteria for being an Antichrist or what the ancient Maya thought. The bottom line on that is that none of us have any idea what will happen, and we will see what does when it does. For a variety of reasons, I would bet everything I own, my entire life, on the fact that Barack Obama is a human man with no affiliations with "Satan," and that the world persists past 2012. You can decry the signs of the Apocalypse all you want, but things will keep going. I mean, imagine what its like to be someone in a war-torn country right now, bombs dropping intermittently, the entire infrastructure destroyed, no food, no water, etc. I bet to someone in that situation who is a Dispensationalist or otherwise believes strongly in this End Times prophecy stuff, they would think that it was already upon them. And they'd have the evidence to back it up, from THEIR perspective. The point is, it's all completely subjective. To most of us right now, we don't feel like Armageddon has really come yet, even if you think you see the impending "signs." But to someone else, maybe it feels like its here. The signs are subjective, the evidence is tangential, ancient prophecies cannot be accurately extrapolated into modern situations, they just can't. As I showed you, Maya scholars regard the calendar ending not as a sign of the end of the world, but the start of a new calender cycle. They call it a popular, grossly-distorted myth that 2012 means the end of anything. In fact, it would be a time of celebration for the Maya, I get the feeling something like New Years. You don't have to believe that, but it seems to be true. And you have almost no reason I can see to think otherwise, other than that you subscribed to the "urban legend" and don't want to let it go in the face of contrary evidence. Just a few years ago Jerry Falwell stated that the Antichrist was definitely a Jewish male, and alive today. How did he know that? Who knows. But he couldn't have meant Obama, unless you want to make some argument that Obama's nominally Jewish, possibly, but that would be a baseless claim seeing as how there's no evidence to suggest he is.

maybe obama will be the greatest president in the history of america
i hope so
and it does look like he might be.
look at the changes he has made already.
please God let him NOT be the anti christ
i want peace and prosperity and change i hope it it true
i hope it is the next guy and not him
i pray that he is everything he says he is

who would not want this?

I think I will stop contributing to this discussion because I feel like my point was lost in picayune contradictions or misinterpretations of what I said. In closing, it's impossible to communicate with anyone who cannot grasp the distinction between elements of the Bible that were intended to factual, and elements that were INTENDED to be figurative or illustrative.

that is unfortunate that you feel that way. i enjoyed the debate i had with you and i hope you do not leave

but if you feel that you cannot answer questions or questions are maybe too stressful for you to deal with ??? that is unfortunate that you would rather run away than hear something that might make you reevaluate your belief system

of course the bible is part parable and part literal everybody knows that. you believe what you believe
only you know if you believe in God.
from what you have written it appears that you are an athiest and you do not believe in God. you tell me i do not know you.

Nostradomas, ancient Mayans, Dobe Indians, and Ancient Egyptians all have the same 2012 prediction.

ks43.... i only knew about Nostradamas and the mayan prophecy i didnt realize that the adobe indians and the egyptians also had this date that is VERY interesting. and i would disagree with "trythinking" about these 4 separate prophesies (which are unrelated and separated by time and culture and awareness of one onother) i do not think these are just coincidences i think that anybody who believes they could be has blinders on

there are two dates that will be very significant ( and nobody really knows what will occur on these two dates we can only guess) the first is in June the year 2010 the second is december 2012
i have heard of dreams, visions, prophesies, unrelated people naming these two dates time and time again.

















ks43 if you would like you can email me anytime so that we can exchange info that we find my email addy is ----> lori.brown164@yahoo.com

I guess I've never heard anyone who should be taken seriously claim or suggest that Obama is a or the Messiah. I think he is a talented politician and an excellent public speaker, whether or not that will translate in to him being a great leader is another thing.

I think I will stop contributing to this discussion because I feel like my point was lost in picayune contradictions or misinterpretations of what I said. In closing, it's impossible to communicate with anyone who cannot grasp the distinction between elements of the Bible that were intended to factual, and elements that were INTENDED to be figurative or illustrative. Many parts of the Bible are intended, purposefully, as teaching points or parables, not as a representation of fact. Saying that a part of the Bible that the writer INTENDED to be figurative does not represent the presentation of fact, is NOT saying that Bible is fictional whatsoever, it is in fact reading the book in the way that it should be read. If I wrote you something in which I intended part to be fact and part to be a parable to teach you something, and you took it all literally, you would be misinterpreting what I wrote and what I intended to say, and you would be doing my writing a disservice. The Bible is very complex and written in a way that most modern people are not used to. Saying that the Book of Revelations is not WRITTEN in the Bible to be read as fact is not calling the entire book a fiction in any way. It was intended to be read that way, and is not presented that way, so thinking that is perfectly congruent with the text itself. That is but one example.

Have fun preparing for the Armageddon, just do humanity a favor and do not STAND IN THE WAY of peace and cooperation because you think that the Antichrist is behind it all. Nothing in the Bible ever says that peace will only come at the hand of the Antichrist. And really, do remember that a tiny percentage of the Bible has anything to do with what we're talking about. The majority of it pertains to how you live your life, on earth, and not the end of the world.

and the worldwide popularity that is a requirement for the antichrist only applies to a leader with political power does not apply to superstars they do not have any power over anything.

i am not saying that just because he is popular he must be the antichrist maybe he will be a great gift from God a great leader. but some things really bother me
mostly the fact that people are referring to obama as "messiah" that is unusual
its unusual that he has such an emotional effect over people including myself i must admit i have actually been moved to tears over his speaches he is almost perfect
almost

amd that is something to pay attention to

Most of these theories seem to be working backward, in other words, we start with the theory that Obama is the Antichrist and then we look for evidence to support it. Evidence, in that light, seems more telling than it is.


this is not accurate at all nobody started with "obama is the antichrist" now lets search for ways to prove this as true lets look for ways to support this.....
it is a realization that people are coming to who know the qualities and events surrounding the antichrist.



every description of the antichrist is revealed in obama and not one thing excludes him as the antichrist i have looked not for the things to prove it is true but i have looked for anything to convince me that it is not true and have found nothing.

Just try to take in information with an open mind instead of regarding everything that disagrees with your preformed ideas as wrong-in-advance, and something that you need to figure out a way to discount. It would be extremely arrogant to think that all your ideas and thoughts just happen to be right, because no one's are, and that scholars and people who invest their considerable time in learning about these things must be wrong because you happen to have another idea for whatever reason you do.

Done, thank you for attempting to use a rational method to support your ideas, that's certainly a start. Taking your advice, I learned this about the Mayan calendar - which it should be noted is a term referring to a complex series of almanacs and inscriptions that the Maya made thousands of years ago, using a variety of different date-calculating methods, not some unified or precise mechanism - anyway:

There are also four rarely-used higher-order cycles: piktun, kalabtun, k'inchiltun, and alautun.

Since the Long Count dates are unambiguous, the Long Count was particularly well suited to use on monuments. The monumental inscriptions would not only include the 5 digits of the Long Count, but would also include the two tzolk'in characters followed by the two haab' characters.

The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar forms the basis for a New Age belief, first forecast by José Argüelles, that a cataclysm will take place on or about December 21, 2012, a forecast that mainstream Mayanist scholars consider a misinterpretation, yet is commonly referenced in pop-culture media as the 2012 problem.

"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, Inc. in Crystal River, Florida. To render December 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

Just google the anciient Mayan calendar then see how accurate it is. It stops abruptly at December 21, 20012. The calendar is more accurate than ours and it is already currently calculated to ours. They use completely different methods of cycles and scientists have proven it. So, my point is you are trying to discount that everything I am telling you is just mere coincedences. But even scientists say something will happen in that year, they just don't know what.

That's not the point, I'm sure it is. The point is that the Mayan calender, however accurate, does not use the same date system that we currently do, therefore, there's no precise way to equate the two. In other words, the Mayan calendar does not speak to the year 2012, and if it did, it would be speaking of a different year than we think of as 2012. People try to convert ancient cultures' date systems (especially when supporting Armageddon theories), but it's not exact. If you know of a methodology that purports to exactly translate the Mayan calendar into our date system, within a year's accuracy, I'd definitely like to know more about it. Thanks.