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  • Posted By: pwhitechurch @ 11/20/2008 10:09:08 AM

    I am majoring in early childhood education and twin studies were done, which concluded you are not born gay. Many studies have been done to prove that. I am only concerned with the gay issue because I will not go for it being taught to children. I am talking online now, but if they try to teach this in school, its on! Me and a whole lot of parents. Obama does beleive that marriage is between a man and a woman, only, stated very well in the debate by Biden. I am only concerned because God will deal with sin if it gets out of hand, and I would rather some get right with God than God bringing judgement upon us. I read the bible for myself, man can only teach you so much, you must read for yourself.

    • Posted By: mcopley @ 11/20/2008 10:23:36 AM

      Many Studies have been proven that you are born that way as well. How about teaching your children that there are 2 sides to every argument instead of imposing your beliefs on them.

      • Posted By: pwhitechurch @ 11/20/2008 11:42:19 AM

        How about letting good parents raise their children the way the deem necessary. Rights, correct?

        • Posted By: mcopley @ 11/20/2008 12:26:07 PM

          Whats the definition of a "GOOD PARENT"?

          • Posted By: pwhitechurch @ 11/20/2008 12:49:51 PM

            Whatever you think one is, eveybody has a definition of what a good parent or parenting is. I just wanted to make sure that i am not saying parents who abuse children should be allowed to continue to abuse them because they are the parens by law.

  • Posted By: Helen Yoshikawa @ 11/20/2008 11:47:50 AM

    I am a lesbian. I am also a Buddhist. I am also an American. I am also a Californian. I am also in love with a wonderful woman. Someday we might want to be married. We cannot get married in California. We can get married in Connecticut. But if we come back to our home in California after we get married in Connecticut our marriage woud not be recognized here. Do we need to live in Connecticut for our marriage to be recognized? And we call this the UNITED States of America. This is not unity - this is travesty. Shame on the people of California. I thought we led America in establishing human rights. Sadly, it seems that I was mistaken.

    -Helen Yoshikawa, San Francisco

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 12:36:35 PM

      If you want your freedom, go take it. In any case, the CA supreme court has agreed to hear the case, and with any luck, will strike down prop 8.

      It's too bad you're a Buddhist, though. You won't properly enjoy the screeching and jabbering from enragedf bigots.

  • Posted By: kshortSD @ 11/20/2008 11:57:13 AM

    The people don't usually get to vote on issues of equal rights for minorities, for obvious reasons. This should be overturned by the courts.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 12:34:03 PM

      The CA supreme court has already agreed to hear the case.

      • Posted By: kshortSD @ 11/20/2008 12:36:07 PM

        Yes, thankfully. I'm just responding to the folks who've posted, "The people have spoken".

  • Posted By: mcopley @ 11/20/2008 9:32:10 AM

    Help me Understand why HOMO's are going to HELL? Is it something they did?

    • Posted By: toogood12 @ 11/20/2008 9:44:59 AM

      Thank You for using the proper term. God considers it an abomination for two of the same sex to lay with each other. Obviously this refers to sex. He made sex to be between a married man and woman. So Homosexuality is really a form of fornication. and the the Bible is clear that fornicators will not inherit the kingom of heaven.

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 11/20/2008 11:57:12 AM

        do you know what fornication means????????

  • Posted By: kshortSD @ 11/20/2008 11:56:55 AM

    The people don't usually get to vote on issues of equal rights for minorities, for obvious reasons. This should be overturned by the courts.

  • Posted By: Dan_Wade @ 11/20/2008 8:18:36 AM

    It is interesting to see the media finally admit (de facto) that they are mostly made up of liberal left leaning members - so that journalism isn't really balanced anymore, but that each piece has an agenda.
    Whats saddening is when the homosexual activists compare their plight for 'civil rights' to the fight for equality for minorities, black mostly.
    I have known some former homosexual men and women who have come out of the lifestyle, but I have yet to meet a former black man or woman. The two are not comparable.

    • Posted By: phxboy76 @ 11/20/2008 11:15:44 AM

      Again retard, there is no cure. Your friends are seriously deceiving you and themselves if they think it is as simple as a light switch to turn on and off. I feel really sorry that they felt obligated to jump back into the closet to keep small minded bigots like yourself happy.

  • Posted By: Anonymous11 @ 11/20/2008 11:07:48 AM

    Response Part 2:

    Unfortunately, many Christians take that stand too far and use the Bible to attempt to make laws to impose their will on others, and would fight against domestic partnership laws. I say that, too, is wrong, and against the Bible???s teachings. Did God not give us free will? Does He want us to be forced to follow His teachings or choose to follow His teachings? So, as a Christian, I would not want to use the law to enforce my beliefs on others. The law is meant to be used to maintain a civil society and keep each other from harm. That is why I believe that all couples deserve the same protection under the law. But, I also would not want others to use the law to enforce their beliefs on me, either. That is why I do not want the law to change the definition of the word ???marriage.???

    So, why would I care about the legal terminology? It comes back to how it is taught in schools. I don't want it taught to my children that there is no difference between a "marriage" and a "domestic partnership," because there *is*. It should be taught that there is no difference legally between the two, just a same sex couple is not called a "marriage" under the law. I thank the California voters for protecting my rights and the rights of my children. Again, I would not want to ever infringe on the rights of homosexual couples. So, please stop trying to infringe on the rights of heterosexual couples. Yes, there is a difference between a "marriage" and "domestic partnership." The author can still call himself married, have a ceremony, and even be moved to tears at his wedding. Just legally, the terminology is now a "domestic partnership." So with all of the writers words, at the end of the day, he is still legally "married" even if not in name. But, as there is no wife in the relationship, it is still not a "marriage."

  • Posted By: pwhitechurch @ 11/20/2008 10:45:31 AM

    You can discuss same sex in the media, I have no control over that, but to put in on shelves in the library for our children is wrong. To teach same sex marriage in the schools is wrong. To teach anything that parents have not agreed to in the schools is wrong! wrong! wrong! This has not happened a great deal in the US but there has been episodes. Like I mentioned earlier, it is not an epidemic in the schools right now, but my eyes and many other parents are open.

  • Posted By: hypocrisy_abounding @ 11/20/2008 10:22:01 AM

    The whole separation of church and state isn't even in the constitution, so why do people invoke it all the time? Besides, the constitution gives us the freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. We, as Christians, have the right to fight for what we believe marriage should be, which is between a man and a woman. Of course, I wish that more Christians would also fight as hard to help their friends that commit adultury and other acts of sexual sin. We, as Christians, have forgotten to take the plank out of our eyes before trying to remove the speck from others. I see the fundamental problem in homosexuality is that it is a sin, and gay people associate themselves with the sin. Those who commit other sins usually don't walk around with pride, have adultury parades or molester parades. But Christians must always remember to hate the sin, not the sinner. The same God who sent His son to die for your sins also died for the sins of every person, homosexual or not. And He loves us all the same because we are His creation, so every gay hating "Christian" should really take a second look at their bible before spewing hate. Jesus says a lot of things that I am sure you are not fighting for nearly as hard...

  • Posted By: cr8zyc00ter @ 11/20/2008 10:12:30 AM

    bffbryan - if you do not believe in God they why do you care that those of us who do don't think that people who are living in sin according to the Bible get married. Marrage is a Bond between a man and woman and a promis to God. I do not hate gay people I can love and have a relationship with any person, but to live in sin because of lies that are being fed from satan is wrong. Marrage is a "religious" bond, why would someone who is not "religious" care who is aloud to join in that bond? Keep your "politics" out of my "religion".

  • Posted By: pwhitechurch @ 11/20/2008 10:11:32 AM

    God created Adam and Eve, he took the rib out of Adam and created Eve. He did not take the rib and create antoher man for him.

  • Posted By: mattydoo29 @ 11/20/2008 10:08:45 AM

    god created man, he did not create marriage. Marriage was created by MAN.

  • Posted By: bffbryan @ 11/20/2008 9:59:13 AM

    STOP!!!! Don't you realize you're all saying the same things? It's not because it's how you genuinely feel, it's what has been beaten into you over the years by the church for the purpose of power and control. Once again, THERE IS NO GOD! Don't believe me? Fine. It's YOUR CHOICE. That's the whole point of this. If I can accept what you do even if I am against it with every fiber of my being, why is a small thing like gay marriage such a big deal to you? It's because the church TOLD you it should be! I feel like i'm talking to children...

  • Posted By: kevinbgoode @ 11/20/2008 9:59:07 AM

    It seems to me that straights "redefine" marriage all of the time - by their own individual choices. The same people who hide behind their "church" in explaining how sacred 'marriage" is have no problem waltzing right out of the church if the minister demands both parties be of the same faith in order to marry. They also have no problem rushing to the state for a divorce, even if the Church they married in says "nope - we won't recognize it.."

  • Posted By: nw79 @ 11/20/2008 9:58:50 AM

    On the legal battle, if this amendment should have been classified as a revision, why did the anti-8 camp wait until after the election to challenge it on that basis? A lot of campaign money could have been saved if they had made their case before losing.

  • Posted By: kevinbgoode @ 11/20/2008 9:58:33 AM

    It seems to me that straights "redefine" marriage all of the time - by their own individual choices. The same people who hide behind their "church" in explaining how sacred 'marriage" is have no problem waltzing right out of the church if the minister demands both parties be of the same faith in order to marry. They also have no problem rushing to the state for a divorce, even if the Church they married in says "nope - we won't recognize it.."

  • Posted By: lorih6242 @ 11/20/2008 9:58:29 AM

    I have a quiestion that maybe someone can answer. How is it that most of the gay people today grew up in "straight" homes with a mother and father yet they "turned out" gay? The answer, at least to me, is that though their parents would probably have preferred that they were straight, they, in fact, were BORN gay. And yes, some people experiment flipping back and forth before the commit to a "team". I don't know, I think America and the Cristian movement should get over it already. If the Christians had their way, inter-racial marriage would STILL be illegal. I don't think being gay is anybody's religion, however they are being forced into taking a stand and demanding the same rights as their hetrosexual counterparts. I don't understand why straight people are so spooked by gay people, it is not like they can rub "it" off on them so that they catch the gay cooties. Give me a break. Seems to me that everyone should be worrying about their own trip to hell, and leave everyone else to their own moral judgements.

  • Posted By: nw79 @ 11/20/2008 9:57:17 AM

    And this isn't about equal rights. Gays have the same rights with respect to marriage as straight people do. They can marry someone of the opposite gender just like striaght people can. This is about asking for more rights and a redefinition. The people have spoken and continuing this has the same odor of desperation seen with Gore and the Florida recounts.

  • Posted By: modern mom @ 11/20/2008 9:55:22 AM

    Ok, another stupidity ...extinction. Just go back and look at the Greeks and Romans and everyone else since, in history. Gays have ALWAYS existed. The present ones will eventually pass, like everyone else, but new will be born. Stop already with the natural selection story!

  • Posted By: bffbryan @ 11/20/2008 9:53:21 AM

    "Even if you don't believe in God do you believe in science? The scientific belief in natural selection state that a creature that lacks the ability to survive or reproduce (not adopt) are naturally selected for extinction."

    Gays do NOT want EVERYONE to be gay. All they want is the CHOICE to be gay themselves and to still have the BASIC rights of any other human being.

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