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  • Posted By: Timberdoodle @ 11/20/2008 2:29:43 PM

    The day I become a Vegetarian / Vegan is the day they take my guns away! 80% of the meat I put on my dinner table for my wife and child is wild; moose, deer, rabbit, partridge, woodcock, turkey, duck. NO hormones, chemicals, free range and organic. This is one more reason I moved back to my home state, Maine, "The way life should be" from California.

    • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/20/2008 2:35:11 PM

      That is the way it should be. If vegans try to take away my meat, I'm going to take away their fruits and vegetables.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 2:41:40 PM

        They'll only go back to eating paint chips.

  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 2:39:59 PM

    Vegans can't help being shrill. Those plastic shoes mean their feet are in pain all the time.

    Doc,
    Wears about a half of a dead cow on each foot.

  • Posted By: TZAZ @ 11/20/2008 10:38:01 AM

    I think the author of this article should have been population controlled.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:52:23 AM

      Naw. The great thing about America is that anyone can speak their mind, no matter how empty that mind may be.

      • Posted By: PhilipS @ 11/20/2008 1:30:46 PM

        And you Doc Howl benefit the most from allowing closed minds to speak their ignorance. Your vegetables have rights comments are something a 6 year old brat who is not interested in discussing a subject because they have no real thoughts. If you cared about plant rights you would go vegan. 5 times more plant foods are fed to the 12 billion animals killed for food every year in just the USA than humans consume.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 2:17:02 PM

          I didn't write the "vegetables have rights" comments, genius.

          Next time, try reading before you post. It can save you a little embarassment.

  • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/20/2008 1:04:40 PM

    Dear Peta and Vegans:

    I think you shouldn't eat vegetables because you are hurting the plants. Talk about a real crime going unnoticed. They have the right for you to not pick at them. Who is going to stand up for their rights? I don't think its fair to them to always have you putting fertilizer on them to ensure growth, for your selfish needs. What kind of people are you vegans anyways huh, hurting poor defenseless plants. Vegans are a bunch of lawless people, abushing plants. You know all plants help provide us with clean air, right? Whats going to happen when you vegans try to eat up all of our crops? You talk about making a difference in the world protecting animals, but all you want to do is destroy the earth with your uncontrolable desire for vegetables. Well I hope you happy. You need to think long and hard about the feelings and rights of plants. You plant hater!

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 1:08:27 PM

      And who speaks for the bacteria? Or the Virus?

      • Posted By: PhilipS @ 11/20/2008 1:34:21 PM

        Hey Doc Whine, You should speak up for the bacteria and virus. Everyone should speak up for what they feel most compelled to care about. You should start your own group because YOU and I and nothing would exist without bacteria.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 2:15:09 PM

          And the poor viruses! We took smallpox's habitat away, and now it's extinct! BOO HOO HOO!

  • Posted By: PhilipS @ 11/20/2008 1:44:50 PM

    Please people not everyone who is vegan or cares about animals are members or supporters of PETA. Also let me say that when people are confronted with the concept of non human animals having the right not to be exploited or treated as if their lives were worth nothing only the immature people respond with plant rights jokes. If you really believe that plants have rights you would stop eating animals because more plants are fed to the 13 billion farm animals killed every year in this country for food. If humans switched to a plant based diet we still would never consume as much plant foods as are being processed through animals raised and killed for food today.
    Maybe you should try the plant verses animal test? Put a live puppy and a live head of lettuce on the dinner table at your next dinner party and ask the guests to go ahead and start carving up slices and see what the reaction is.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 2:14:11 PM

      "Maybe you should try the plant verses animal test? Put a live puppy and a live head of lettuce on the dinner table at your next dinner party and ask the guests to go ahead and start carving up slices and see what the reaction is."

      Knowing my friends? Poor puppy. :(

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 2:13:14 PM

      ". Also let me say that when people are confronted with the concept of non human animals having the right not to be exploited or treated as if their lives were worth nothing only the immature people respond with plant rights jokes."

      Their lives aren't worth nothing. They're worth about $2.00/pound.

  • Posted By: PhilipS @ 11/20/2008 4:45:49 AM

    Dear Eurotrash,
    You should put your time and effort into making things better for humans. You do your work and I'll do mine-helping animals by speaking up for them and by not eating them. If you want to make a real difference in the world Go Vegan and stop complaining.

    • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/20/2008 1:02:27 PM

      Philip,
      I think you shouldn't eat vegetables because you are hurting the plants. Talk about a real crime going unnoticed. They have the right for you to not pick at them. Who is going to stand up for their rights? I don't think its fair to them to always have you putting fertilizer on them to ensure growth, for your selfish needs. What kind of people are you vegans anyways huh, hurting poor defenseless plants. Vegans are a bunch of lawless people, abushing plants. You know all plants help provide us with clean air, right? Whats going to happen when you vegans try to eat up all of our crops? You talk about making a difference in the world protecting animals, but all you want to do is destroy the earth with your uncontrolable desire for vegetables. Well I hope you happy. You need to think long and hard about the feelings and rights of plants. You plant hater!


    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:30:03 AM

      Screw that.

      Going vegan doesn't help anyone.

  • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/20/2008 12:48:39 PM

    These PETA people are probally the same liberals who are also pro-choice. So in their minds its okay to kill a fetus, but not okay to kill a cow so your family can eat. hmmm I also would be willing to bet that the PETA people at some point want to make it legal to marry animals. These far left crazies make me ill. I guess that's whats great about american, even the stupid people have to right to voice their opinion.

    I am in favor of organic farming and meat products because it is just plain healthier for you too eat. I think most people would prefer eating food that wasn't pumped full of chemicals.

    • Posted By: augustpersonage @ 11/20/2008 12:55:44 PM

      agreed

      • Posted By: augustpersonage @ 11/20/2008 12:58:48 PM

        agreed with the first post, I am not pro choice. Still this is something I think many of us on both sides of the abortion issue can agree on.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 12:55:53 PM

      "These PETA people are probally the same liberals who are also pro-choice."

      Naw. I'm pro-choice, and pro-hamburger.

  • Posted By: AshamedofYou @ 11/19/2008 11:40:34 PM

    Mr. Singer what about the rights of innocent plant life to exist in harmony with humans and animals?

    • Posted By: PhilipS @ 11/20/2008 5:00:08 AM

      AsamedofYou,
      Plants have no interests in the way humans and animals do. For instance a plant does not care if it is tied up or put in a cage for its entire life where as an animal including the human animal would care.
      If you really cared about plant life you would stop eating animals. More plant foods are fed to animals raised for food then humans could ever eat. There is no comparison. Think about what a waste of food that is to feed it to animals raised for food. Eating animals is unhealthy for the planet and your own health. And its murder on the animals. Go Vegan!

      • Posted By: augustpersonage @ 11/20/2008 12:31:39 PM

        You realize that many anials can be grazed on land that is completly unarable right. brush scrub lands are fine for grazing of deer and goats, and pigs for that matter, which are completly unavailable to farming. Corparate farming is far more destructive than ranching, fertilizers, pesticides and most importantly the massive use of ground water is all that a vegan life offers us.

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:35:01 AM

        Wait. You think cows are fed food that would normally go to people?

  • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:55:59 AM

    As an aside, if we stopped using chickens, cows, etc, as resources, how long would they last as a species? My guess is until, say, next Tuesday. Between habitat concerns (try finding space for 20,000,000 cows to live wild, for example) and the fact that we've spent 8,000 years breeding them to be stupid, they'd be toast.

    • Posted By: augustpersonage @ 11/20/2008 11:47:25 AM

      I don't know horses did okay and they are dumb as a box of rocks. Cows are big, and I bet it wouldn't take long for them to get mean agian ( look up Auroch). They might do okay, people might get upset when their kid got killed by a raging bull in the park but you know those are the breaks. ;)

      • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 12:16:19 PM

        Naw. Cows in a public park would be killed and eaten on the sly, by people desperate for the good old days, when you could eat a burger without some hippie screeching like a loon.

        Doc Howl,
        Would just eat the hippies and be done with it.

  • Posted By: augustpersonage @ 11/20/2008 11:38:46 AM

    Sentience is not meaningful, Sapience yes, sentience no. If people argued that we should not eat Sapiant creatures, well that might be meaningful, but sentiance. Ants might well be sentient , so might roaches, so what? Are we going to let rats just move in to out houses? They are certianly sentiant--- but so what? I like meat, I am perfectly willing to take responsability for killing that meat myself if need be. If push comes to shove I will raise my own animals, but if even that becomes illegal, well thats the kind of crap that the Founders wrote the Second Amendment for isn't it.

  • Posted By: imabusybee @ 11/20/2008 11:34:59 AM

    They have shown that "tomatoes shriek" (a sort of measurable impulses) and that plants compete for resources against plants from other species but share equally with plants of their own type. How can this guy eat a tomato or ear of corn since he might be hurting their feelings?

  • Posted By: Walcutt @ 11/19/2008 9:32:54 PM

    Thank God this is finally happening. If factory farming is not evil, then nothing is evil. And, yes, I know that I am borrowing from a famous quote about slavery. It is past time for us, as a society, to deal with this poisonous issue. What possible argument can there be against trying to remove elements of torture and terror from the animals that give their lives for our comfort? I am not a willing vegetarian but I can no longer enjoy food that comes from the sources referred to in this article. Too much knowledge has destroyed my ability to enjoy meat and I used to love the taste of a good steak.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:59:43 AM

      "If factory farming is not evil, then nothing is evil. "

      So factory farming is worse than the holocaust? Amazing.

  • Posted By: pavlova @ 11/20/2008 5:18:07 AM

    i can't understand why in California they have more respect for animal rights than gay rights. i mean, i do support animal rights too.... but it's also important that gays have equal rights with the other citizens too.
    some things just are beyond my comprehension...

    • Posted By: jeremyvanholden @ 11/20/2008 7:38:39 AM

      I agree completely. It seems like all too often in this country people get up in arms about animal abuse/injustice while injustices against humans are considered common place. If scientist really find a way to just grow meat (that tastes the same) then I would agree there is probably no reason to continue factory farming, but until then I will still enjoy a big juicy steak as often as possible.

      • Posted By: theminutepast @ 11/20/2008 9:53:09 AM

        I'll put aside my disagreement about Prop 2 being an "animal rights" measure to say that we do a disservice to all social justice and rights-based movements when we pit one group's rights against the other's. To say gay rights are more important to animal rights is just divisive. We don't pit sexism against racism because we know both are equally important if we want to overturn the oppression of all sentient beings.

        • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:33:53 AM

          "To say gay rights are more important to animal rights is just divisive. "

          Bull****. Gays are people. Animals aren't.

  • Posted By: from Missouri @ 11/20/2008 10:22:41 AM

    I am not a vegan or vegetarian. You have an obligation to include with the article pictures or videos because most Americans have no idea how millions of animals are tortured. This is a dirty little secret and it is inhumane, pollutes the land, causes the e-coli outbreaks, etc. No one has to give up meat. We probably couldn't buy a 16oz steak for $9.99, because productivity would go down, if humane treatment and pumping them full of drugs to grow faster and more fatty were banned. That means we wouldn't gorge ourselves with meat, we would have meat that was not filled with chemicals and less likely to be tainted - gosh - we might actually end up healthier if such changes were made in America.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:32:59 AM

      So only the rich would be able to eat meat on a regular basis?

      Also, while sanitary conditions are important for disease prevention, I don't give a damn about the animals...and I have seen these conditions with my own eyes (slaughterhouses & holding pens). The short answer is, "So what? They're cows."

  • Posted By: MARS2 @ 11/20/2008 9:36:15 AM

    sentient: ???adjective. having the power of perception by the senses; conscious. Anyone who has ever met an animal can tell you it is obvious they have senses, are conscious and can feel pain, love, joy, sadness and other emotions. Human animals are not unique in this way.

    Rights are things that those in power grant to those who are not in power. I prefer to think in terms of personal responsibility. We all have a personal responsibility to treat other feeling beings as we would want to be treated. It's basic ethics, not rocket science.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:25:08 AM

      "Rights are things that those in power grant to those who are not in power."

      Utterly false. You are referring to privileges. Rights are not given, they are taken.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:22:51 AM

      So you're claiming that a chicken with a brain the size of a raisin is self-aware? Rubbish.

  • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/20/2008 9:45:03 AM

    This discussion makes me sick. Those cali hippies/ PETA people need to keep their ideas to themselves. yes animals need to be treated well no one better ever tell me what type of food I can eat.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:23:45 AM

      For every animal they do not eat, I will eat 3.

      Or words to that effect.

  • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/20/2008 9:54:46 AM

    Liberals have to much time on their hands and perhaps do too many drugs.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 10:22:10 AM

      Naw. I'm a liberal, and I don't buy this crap. People matter. Animals don't.

  • Posted By: Progressive American @ 11/20/2008 9:50:28 AM

    Liberals have to much time on their hands and perhaps due too many drugs.

  • Posted By: unitedpoultryconcerns @ 11/20/2008 6:21:38 AM

    A technical malfunction prevented my saying below that people who work in chicken and turkey breeder houses blame the hens for being "mean" for fighting with their beaks to prevent their eggs from being taken away. It is totally false that hens don't mind removal of their eggs. And "humane" free range is a myth, a lie. And how can animals have "rights" when we won't even allow them to have and protect their own families?

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 9:26:12 AM

      "And how can animals have "rights" when we won't even allow them to have and protect their own families?"

      Simple. They don't have rights. They have privileges we choose to grant them (housepets, etc), or do not choose to do so (animals we raise to eat/use).

  • Posted By: california42 @ 11/20/2008 9:11:43 AM

    One of the Greek philosophers said "a society can be judged by the way it treats animals". Bravo for speaking out against these crimes committed against fellow creatures.

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/20/2008 9:24:47 AM

      Actually, it was Plato, and he said slaves, not animals.

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