Obama’s Nuclear Reservations

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  • Posted By: rickolson @ 11/26/2008 12:06:44 PM

    The following experts say that Yucca Mountain is a safe place to store nuclear waste:

    Richard A. Muller, ???Physics for Future Presidents: The Science Behind the Headlines??? (2008), a professor of physics at the University of California, Berkeley.
    Gwyneth Cravens, ???Power to Save the World: The Truth About Nuclear Power??? (2007), former associate editor of Harper???s Magazine, and writer for the New York Times, The Washington Post and other publications.
    William Tucker, author of ???Terrestrial Energy: How Nuclear Energy Will Lead the Green Revolution and End America's Energy Odyssey??? (2008), writer of numerous articles published in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, The Spectator and the Weekly Standard.

    A reason of delay may be that we may need to reprocess the spent fuel from the nuclear power plants, which would vastly increase the supply of the uranium we will need to fuel the nuclear plants of the future to minimize global warming. Without question, nuclear power will need to be the primary source of base power in the future, to enable the variable sources of wind, solar and geothermal energy to power our homes, businesses and industry.

    Rick Olson, Saline, Michigan

  • Posted By: lueman @ 11/26/2008 11:32:17 AM

    Mini Nuclear Reactors to Power Remote Areas
    Using technology originally developed by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, Hyperion Power Generation is creating mini nuclear fission reactors that will provide electricity and hot water to remote locations, nearly all outside the United States.

    Eric Bland, Discovery News 21 November 2008

  • Posted By: jimmyjet @ 11/26/2008 9:16:55 AM

    A simple solution to the storage problem. Take all of the spent uranium and dump it into Hollywood, as that area is already bereft of any source of socially necessary reasons for existence. Better yet, dump it in San Francisco; cover every square foot of the city. S.F. could serve as a source of light for the entire west coast as well as a warning to other cities that "this also could happen to you" if you become a national disgrace. Presto changeo, no more storage problem, no more Pelosi.

    • Posted By: copper454 @ 11/26/2008 10:21:33 AM

      Can we have a new rule on this forum?

      "No advocating nuclear genocide."

      Nazi nutjob.

  • Posted By: copper454 @ 11/26/2008 10:09:34 AM

    Nevada is so awash in money coming in from Vegas tourism that they won't take a payment to store the waste there.

    Too bad there's not a safe, natural, potential storage site near Detroit!

  • Posted By: Prospero @ 11/26/2008 9:49:58 AM

    The true problem with nuclear waste is the fact that it is concentrated - spread that same material out over 1000's of miles - say dispersed in the blacktop and concrete bridges across our nations highways in very small amounts in a new infrastructure rebuilding program for our country - you would get irradiated more 5 min outside on a sunny day.than from this dispersed waste.

  • Posted By: Madhawk @ 11/26/2008 9:10:10 AM

    The end of the article is great. It shows that there is no logical scientific solution to nuclear waste issue and any suggestion to solve that issue pretends to be scientific but rather politic.
    Ozgur Gurbuz
    Istanbul-Turkey

  • Posted By: AUBrian @ 11/24/2008 4:41:22 PM

    Most people want to advocate a solution without seeing the repercussions and costs of those solutions. Natural gas is fine on a small scale, but it is expensive and does releases CO2 (Which the environmentalists hate) Wind farms require HUGE amounts of land, and typically only produce power 30% of the time (In a good environment) And it's not predictable, which means you really can't use it for base loading. Even water is cheap and efficient and clean, but there's one issue. You have to have water in the reservoir to turn the turbines, and as we know, there seems to be a shortage in this country lately.

    Nuclear power plants are leaps and bounds beyond the days of Three Mile Island. But the development of this technology is happening in those areas where new nuclear plants are embraced. People question fuel recycling, however, it is the standard throughout Europe already! They have already proved that it can be safely and efficiently done. We don't need a proof of concept here, we just need the government to quit stalling the acceptance, and catch up to the rest of the world.

    Like Daytona said, there is huge potential for new, highly skilled, high paying jobs within the nuclear industry. Right now, more than 30 applications for new plants have been filed, but the government still has to approve them. One big issue is that there are not yet enough people familiar with nuclear energy to support the engineering and operational positions within all those plants. However, if they started to be approved, and colleges encouraged engineering students to work in the nuclear direction (Keep in mind, very few people in those plants are nuclear engineers. Most are mechanical, electrical and civil) then the manpower could be there when the plants got construction approval.

    Also, most energy companies will tell you that Nuclear energy offers the most cost efficient solutions for the energy issues facing this country. Obama has proposed many solutions to emissions and foreign oil including electric cars, but has not yet explained where the power for those cars will come from, since the American electrical generation infrastructure is almost always at or near its limits. The southeast will need a new nuclear power plant every 5-7 years to keep up with current demand increases, and that doesn't include what would happen if every other family started driving a "plug-in" car.

    Any president who feels that a MAJOR part of any solution doesn???t include nuclear is sadly mistaken. Putting coal plants out of business only works if you have other solutions to make up for that electrical generation. Remember the rolling blackouts in California several years ago? Picture that every day....throughout the whole country. And I don't think we have 50 million acres on which to plant wind turbines right now.

    • Posted By: cmcbutler76 @ 11/26/2008 8:13:35 AM

      A large number of the operators in a nuclear power plant are former Navy nuclear power plant operators who understand how to operate a plant safely.

      • Posted By: kingb101 @ 11/26/2008 8:20:56 AM

        Excellent comment by AUBrian. Although Daren Briscoe puts together a nice thought process in the article, he fails to mention anything about recycling. The fact remains that one of the by-products of spent uranium is plutonium which can be harvested from the waste and reused in the plants. As AUBrian pointed out, fuel recycling is the standard throughout Europe already. By utilizing an efficient plan to recycle, the amount of nuclear waste that needs to be stored would be radically reduced.

  • Posted By: odurandina @ 11/26/2008 8:03:09 AM

    The way to solve the problem of Nuclear waste is very simple.... but more creative than the models we currently use. The answer is to mix spent fuel in CONCRETE. in mixing bowl, Inside a containment structure. By DILUTING the material even to the extreme, and shaping the concrete into blocks, you have neutralized the waste into low-level wastes that will be chemically stable for up to tens of thousands of years, once stored properly with the aid of a thin, "cover layer" of block You would lay the blocks out in a dry desert canyon and never harm the environment - even if the climate eventually changed. The federal government would need to run this project without state interference.

  • Posted By: odurandina @ 11/26/2008 8:02:45 AM

    The way to solve the problem of Nuclear waste is very simple.... but more creative than the models we currently use. The answer is to mix spent fuel in CONCRETE. in mixing bowl, Inside a containment structure. By DILUTING the material even to the extreme, and shaping the concrete into blocks, you have neutralized the waste into low-level wastes that will be chemically stable for up to tens of thousands of years, once stored properly with the aid of a thin, "cover layer" of block You would lay the blocks out in a dry desert canyon and never harm the environment - even if the climate eventually changed. The federal government would need to run this project without state interference.

  • Posted By: NormLB @ 11/26/2008 7:41:26 AM

    Forgot to include the Wikipedia link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

  • Posted By: RobWarwick @ 11/26/2008 7:35:57 AM

    I had a friend once say in a conversation about storage of nuclear waste (and just plain old garbage in general) that his solution would be to launch it into space. Everyone was aghast....HOW COULD YOU??? As the years have gone on though, I start to wonder......why not?

    The universe is so enormous, that we cannot even begin to comprehend just how big it is. If the universe was a big sandy beach in Miami, the earth would be no more than one grain of sand in that beach. We are talking massive!

    So, seriously, why not?

  • Posted By: varacefan @ 11/25/2008 4:24:32 PM

    Just more of the same. Talk increasing energy production but do nothing! Boy how many million saw this coming?

  • Posted By: Jgalt1957 @ 11/25/2008 10:04:06 AM

    This is likely to be among the first topics where we will see political hypocrisy out of the Obama administration. He's playing a political game of 3-card Monty with our nation's energy security.

    One card is the reduction of carbon emissions, which all the Dems put high on their list. Unfortunately for them, there is a mounting stack of studies that conclude that there can be no significant reduction in CO2 emissions without additional nuclear generation.

    The second card is nuclear waste. He and his buddy Harry Reid claim not to be opposed to nuclear power in principle, but they are "concerned" about the issue of how to deal with waste. Sound science points to the safest solution being a deep and stable geological repository (i.e., Yucca Mountain). I have personally been to Yucca. I've seen it. The 100 miles out of Vegas is some god forsaken uninhabitable territory. The geologist leading my tour group pointed to rock strata that were formed MILLIONS of years ago. Harry isn't concerned with waste. Harry is concerned about Harry. Talks of reprocessing used nuclear fuel can ease the volume of long-term waste, but a repository is still needed. Common sense says that you don't solve a dilemna where intelligent people are debating the science regarding nano-curies in the ground 100 miles into a desert by embracing the WORST of all solutions (i.e., about 60 "mini-repositories" spread throughout the country, some in high populated areas).

    The last card in the game is the need for additional electrical generation and the stability of the national energy infrastructure. We're hanging on a thread. A minor grid disturbance in South Florida takes out a couple of plants due to electrical protection schemes and millions of customers are suddenly without power. Nevermind the blackouts in the Mid-West a few years back. Want to throw a large area of the country into turmoil? Take out one of many remote electrical switching stations located around a big city during a hot summer afternoon and watch the grid go down like dominoes. The demand for electricity continues to climb. Conservation helps. Renewable sources are on the rise. However, most reasonable people understand and agree, new nuclear generation is needed in order to meet the growing demand and to bolster the stability of the grid.

    As with any game of 3-Card Monty, there is a loser. The loser is the American public. While Obama and Harry play their game of shuffle and delay, the situation only gets worse.

  • Posted By: SGSterrett @ 11/23/2008 8:24:24 AM

    You say: "Good luck finding a nuclear-waste expert who'll tell you Obama's stopgap solution . . . has anything to do with 'sound science'." Well, that's not too difficult: for instance, Victor Gilinsky's testimony before the Senate in 2002 gives an excellent summary of the issues involved with using Yucca Mountain as a spent fuel repository, including a discussion of how the term "sound science" has been used and abused. What he says supports Obama's position.
    Your article cites the opinion of Per Peterson on the general idea of deep geologic isolation. To address Obama's comment about using Yucca Mountain, you ought to be citing the most recent reports to Congress from the U. S. Nuclear Waste Technical Review Board (NWTRB) on the progress made so far in using Yucca Mountain as a spent nuclear fuel depository. (http://www.nwtrb.gov/reports/nwtrb_2007_web_508.pdf) It's too involved to summarize in a sentence or two, but there is definitely still a lot of uncertainty, even after years of dedicated work towards eliminating the problems and uncertainty Gilinksy identified in his 2002 Senate testimony. Looks to me as though Obama is actually very well informed.

    • Posted By: SGSterrett @ 11/23/2008 8:48:00 AM

      To read Victor Gilinsky's 2002 Senate testimony online, which I cited in my previous post:
      http://www.state.nv.us/nucwaste/news2002/nn11706.pdf
      "Testimony of Dr. Victor Gilinsky Before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, May 22, 2002"

      • Posted By: perpeterson @ 11/24/2008 8:29:11 PM

        Right now the DOE has submitted a license application to the USNRC for independent scientific and technical review. Unless this independent scientific review is cut off by politics, it will involve adjudicatory hearings where outside information will be introduced, and will ultimately reach a conclusion, in 3 to 4 years, about whether the DOE application demonstrates that Yucca Mountain site can meet the one-million-year EPA safety standrard. We need to let this process rach its conclusion.

  • Posted By: Daytona1 @ 11/24/2008 3:42:08 PM

    The answer is NOT to slam the door shut to Yucca, as Mr. Reid wishes, thereby leaving the commercial nuclear plants to hold all of the used fuel ad infinitumm, but to implement a policy of used fuel recycling that will dramatically reduce the volume of material going into Yucca. This can be achieved by recycling the used fuel currently being stored at the plants. By recycing or reprocessing fuel, the energy usable materials are separated, recovered and reconstituted into new fuel for nuclear reactors. The small volume of fission products can then be stabilized and disposed. I would suggest the fine article by Clinton Bastin in 21st Century Science and Technology magazine with regard to Reprocessing Spent Nuclear Fuel. I applaud the current programs being supported in the US to evaluate future recycling of nuclear fuel in a manner that makes good science, sense, and addresses key proliferation issues. Should Obama wish to find a solution, he needs to become better informed on this program, because it will not only address one of the most pressing issues of our time, but provide numerous future job opportunities for those interested in science, technology, and plant operations.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 11/23/2008 6:15:29 PM

    Well I have a generally positive attitude regarding Nuclear energy. But there are alternatives no one seems to be considering.
    Those offshore oil platforms are huge and power hungry but you may have noticed none of them have extension cords to shore.
    The reason is they all have turbines driven by natural gas, Las Vegas never turns off the lights and it is powered by turbines driven by water from nearby Lake Mead.
    Perhaps rather than look at large power suppliers such as more San Onofre's; power could be almost be miniaturized by the use of turbines that power smaller areas, Turbines driven by Alcohol, natural gas, methane or any number of non polluting and cheap fuels that are not fossil based. All of which will power a turbine.

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