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Before his Inaugural, FDR craftily dodged attempts to saddle him with Hoover's crisis. What Obama can learn.

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  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/29/2008 11:52:03 AM

    ???Sarah Palin haters???, I think people who use that phrase are missing the point. It really isn???t hatred; it is disgust, disgust with her many faults and her brazenness and surprise and disgust first with John McCain for bringing her out of obscurity and now with those who are trying to make her their next puppet to pick up where GWBush left off. There is where the real fault lies. One individual stated they didn???t think she was a sociopathic personality because she had meaningful relationships but, as McCain discovered, it is apparent she just uses relationships for her advantage. They also felt she deserved credit for having her DS baby instead of aborting yet there is the question, does she deserve credit when she constantly uses the baby as a prop, soliciting sympathy and recognition, and then just handing it off? No, those along with all of her other self-focused characteristics, especially the lack of any conscience, strongly suggest she really fits the sociopathic category and would be a real disaster in any national office (as the sociopathic GWBush has been). Personally, I think she is a sick and sad case and simply wish that she would fade away. George W Bush has proven to be the worse President this country has ever had and we need to remember all of it in order to recognize and reject anyone else who is similar ??? Sarah Palin is a cut from the same mold!

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 12/10/2008 11:10:26 AM

      Right on, DIck G!

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/29/2008 8:28:11 PM

      Congratulatioins! You proved that you selected correct name for youeself.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/29/2008 6:26:57 PM


      My status is contempt. Disgust, elevated by repetition.

  • Posted By: hungrytown @ 11/24/2008 1:36:07 PM

    My biggest fear is Afghanistan. Russia warred there for ten years - and eventually withdrew - convinced that
    Winning in Afghanistan is not possible. We need the billions that are being spent in Iraq to be spent in
    rebuilding the USA - not in Afghanistan. Let Pakistan and Afghanistan solve their own problems - if they
    want them solved.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/24/2008 8:20:09 PM

      It will be big mistake to move troops to Afghanistan. Taliban is not international terrorist organization, why should we fight them? They already learned their lesson and will not cover for Al-Qaida if we let them participate in Afghanistan goverment.

      • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 11/24/2008 9:31:12 PM

        Hmmmm . . so.thowing acid on school girls and closing down schools is just their way of participating in the government?

        • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/29/2008 8:32:11 PM

          They live as they used to live. Why shoul dwe decide for them?

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/28/2008 12:57:41 PM

    A Reality to Remember: The last eight years, with the Bush-Cheney policies, have proven beyond any doubt that cutting taxes for the wealthy and/or patronizing Special Interests neither stimulates the economy nor does it create jobs. What we have experienced really indicates the exact opposite. Small businesses and all businesses simply do not thrive and hire people because their taxes are lower but rather grow because the economy is good and because people are spending money; that is simply Business 101 honesty. Then the reality is that the way to increase income for businesses and even for the wealthy is to simply insure more people have more money to spend. The ???trickle down??? theory is a fraud as our economy has always been more of a ???bubble up??? action and then stimulating it at the bottom really does benefit everyone. The rationalizing that more consideration for the top end stimulates the economy is not only false but it causes the focus to be in the wrong place and to be counter-productive for everyone. Giving more money to those who already spend all they want on whatever they want only makes the wealthy wealthier and likely stimulates campaign contributions but not the economy. That is one thing the Republican Party under GWBush???s leadership has thoroughly and clearly demonstrated and is something that should be remembered.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/28/2008 2:11:24 PM

      Why it was "good economy", despite .NET bubble and 9/11? It was not inhereted from Clinton, because there were a lot of jobs lost in few iniial Bush months.
      Tax cuts is the answer! And I don't remember that it was for wealthy only. Everyone got tax break.

      • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/29/2008 11:50:20 AM

        You have got to be kidding or living on another planet!

        • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/29/2008 8:22:56 PM

          No kidding. The fact was, small businesses were hiring people during most of Bush years, and why? Your explanation - "but rather grow because the economy is good ". If you now disagree with yourself - then tax cuts worked? Thai is what I wanted to say about tax cuts, regardless it was GOP or somebody else initiative.

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/29/2008 6:24:33 PM


          Self deception is...deceptive...

  • Posted By: Rocheux @ 11/27/2008 9:16:29 PM

    One more thing, I am so glad he picked a Black wife. It will do so much for African-American women to boost them up in spirit! His wife is a well-educated, fine lady. She will be a fine 1st lady....and remember all who are so quick to call Obama an "African-American." He's also half European-American. Don't ignore MY people in him will you? In fact, why can't we just call him an American without the hypen & let it go at that?
    Thank you. Rocheux

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/27/2008 9:59:42 PM

      Yes, he is an American.You are the first in this discussion who names him Afro-American.

  • Posted By: Rocheux @ 11/27/2008 9:12:01 PM

    Well, let's give Obama a chance. He did not get to Harvard on his looks, let alone that he also was head of THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. The man has a fine mind. He has the weight of the world on his shoulders.
    I say again, let's give him a chance. If you are tempted to put him down like Sean Hannity and Rush, I say, hold off, Sean and Rush, sit down, be quiet for a while and let's see what happens. America has risen up, they've had enuf with right wing interests and big oil as king. Bush feeds the banks from the top down in crisis times, while like FDR. Obama wants to create jobs just as FDR did with the CCC and WPA. Time will tell, time will tell. My hat's off to Obama. I think he's a natural (a combo of MLK & JFR in a way).
    Stan Rocklin, Mesa AZ

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/27/2008 9:57:07 PM

      Nobody wants to put him down, because he is President-elect and we stuck with him for next 4 years. As for the chance - he does not have any, unless he will appear to be a hidden Republican (not so far-right as Bush, however). It is very bad time for liberal President.

  • Posted By: VoiceOne @ 11/26/2008 7:13:59 PM

    ...................Obama being compared to FDR and Bush being compared to Herbert Hoover.....Interesting!!!

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/26/2008 11:12:40 PM

      Don't worry, in 4 years everybody will name Onama as Hoover, and probably Juliany will be the FDR-saviour.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/26/2008 3:08:45 PM

    I have a neighbor who, like myself, is a typical middle class taxpayer and he currently is very upset because ???tax cuts??? include payments to people he says are like his in-laws (who ???he loves???) who simply don???t pay any taxes and therefore don???t deserve a ???rebate???. I also have a long term, close friend who is an extremely heavy taxpayer who thinks the burden falls unfairly on the wealthy and that there are just too many people who don???t make the effort required to get where he is (his contention being that the opportunity is there for everyone). Both are conservative Republicans, who express their strong concern over the possibility of having a liberal Democratic ???tax and spend??? government that they feel would be unfair to them. It is hard for me to give them any empathy as I see it as they are simply failing to accept reality. I personally suspect it has a lot to do with their egos and their need to be recognized as somehow superior. My response to them, which they don???t want to hear, is to ask if they realize that the economy has a history of consistently being better under Democratic leadership. And then, do they recognize that the ???trickle down??? theory is actually a fraud as when more money is given to those who already spend all they want on whatever they want it does little for the economy and rather only makes the wealthy wealthier (and likely encourages campaign contributions and support), while when more money is given to the poor and middle-class it gets quickly spent and does help the economy, literally helps everyone including creating profits for businesses and the wealthy. Then, do they really naively think that opportunities are the same for everyone and do they ignore that helping the poor to bring them up literally benefits everyone. And lastly do they really fail to understand that the higher up the wealth ladder the more uneven advantage there is, such as in recent years while the wealthy have dynamically, continually increased their net income the middle-class has constantly been loosing ground and for the poor that is even more true, constituting the real inequity and a strong negative impact on the economy. Their thinking further surprises me as it indicates they are ignoring all that has occurred over the last eight years, the apathy, the costs and the abundance of subterfuge being given to the average American, with the drastic problems that have resulted, all disguised as conservatism (with real run away greed and dishonesty) and always only benefiting a select few. No, if it is their egos that dictate their thinking, it is not only misguided but very apt to be costly for them and for everyone else. What we really need is for both political parties to move towards a more responsible and honest centrist position that correctly benefits everyone and for voters to be more objective and Independent in demanding that direction, refusing to ever again be mislead/manipulated by appeals to th

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 11/26/2008 3:12:57 PM

      to finish the above:

      "by appeals to their biases".

  • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 11/25/2008 1:22:29 PM

    The economy isn't even the major crisis that Biden said Obama will face! Let's see how this guy handle's a threat or a terror attack on our country.

    • Posted By: blackd @ 11/26/2008 7:30:57 AM

      FEAR FERAR FEAR, The halmark of the Republican party. Give me a break!!!

  • Posted By: ok4u @ 11/25/2008 7:22:41 PM

    Funny how Roosevelt held back any involvement until he got into office, and then hypocrically calling for action. But he was a liberal democrat after all. And he did like the idea of President-for life.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/25/2008 4:25:55 PM





    Anybody know who this imposter is who uses a Doc Howl synonym? Imitation indeed is the sincerest form of flattery. But this is no imitation. And it does not come close to emulating the wit and sagacity of the original. It's just chicken....and dishonest.

    I'd love someone to expose this person. I will then certainly read with interest the other blogs by this imposter.

    Anybody know? Any ideas?

  • Posted By: jon-jon alter @ 11/23/2008 10:46:28 PM

    Hey jonjon long time no read. It's a great time for you isn't it? Barry mentions your book and all these references to FDR must have it flying right of the shelf, eh? I can't imagine many of your faithful readers will be buying it. Just stopped by to give you an update on our polls since you're the king!

    Pro-obamamedia bias?
    Yes 83%
    No 10%
    Not sure 5%

    Top 10 pro-obama media
    Tied for # 1 Newsweek & MSNBC

    Top 10 obama infatuated men
    #1 jonjon alter

    Top 10 Least convincing "neutral"
    Tied for #1 jonjon alter, Fineman, Donna Brazile and Norah O'Donnell

    Most vile
    Herr Olbermann 32%
    jonjon Alter 31%
    Chris Matthews 22%

    Even I didn't think you'd beat out Matthews. Come by and vote for yourself so you can edge out olbermann and be #1 across the board!

    http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.blogspot.com/

    • Posted By: oklok @ 11/25/2008 7:04:36 AM

      thanks for the heads up...guess who my vote will be for?

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/24/2008 9:58:50 PM



      The name of that link wouldn't give us any clues, would it?

  • Posted By: jimjon1937 @ 11/24/2008 6:35:30 PM

    What a great idea! Bush & Cheney would resign; Pelosi would be President, and we can get the ball rolling

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/25/2008 1:35:50 AM



      Ok. By your perspective Pelosi is a threat to you equal to Cheney and Bush?

      Well Doc, if I concentrate on this skeeter bite on my arm, I can kinda sorta forgetta ' bout these two cancers in my bowls who prefer to do in private...

  • Posted By: Doc HowI @ 11/23/2008 10:12:40 PM

    Another difference you failed to point out: this financial crisis belongs to the D party, courtesy of the Civil Reinvestment Act passed under Carter in 1977 that encouraged mortgage loans to those who would not otherwise qualify. With the blessing of the Clinton Administration in the 90s up through current, Fannie and Freddie made that happen and issued mortgage backed securities to absorb the risk. The encouraged banks to make the loans by giving them favorable ratings for doing so. This mortgage crisis brought to us by Democrats is roundly considered the primary reason for the banking meltdown. Maybe your article should be discussing the avoidance of absorbing the Democrat party's meltdown. Oh wait why would you guys tell the truth, you are after all the left wing biased US Media.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/24/2008 10:12:58 PM




      Doc, You're my favorite poster. Gotta disagree. Represented banks for decades, and worked in mortgage market too. No law ever forced a bank to make a loan, but it does prohibit discrimination against equally qualified borrowers, e.g. 'redlining". Banks wanted to make loans, but declined the ones they didn't want to make.

      Rather than recapitulate, if you want you can see my recent posts at the Hirsch article on Hillary, which involves my primary points about seeking to assign sole or primary responsibility, the money sloshing around, where it was most highly concentrated, and why.

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/24/2008 1:52:18 PM

      The mortgages made in 1977 are mainly amortized. This fairly new right wing chestnut just doesn't account for the kind of toxic lending instruments we have seen over the last 10 years. ARM's in all their various implementations, mortgages with no down and no credit check, these can be laid directly at the feet of the financial services sector. Government mandated no red lining, they did not mandate lending instruments designed by fools, for the benefit of the foolish. They did not mandate toxic instruments that the lenders knew would not be successfully repaid, couldn't be repaid. They did not mandate aggressively pushing people to sign mortgages they couldn't afford by people that operated more like used car salesmen than mortgage lenders. No, I'm afraid that this mess can't be laid on the government, or even the borrowers, the blood is on the hands of the lenders themselves.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/23/2008 11:27:52 PM

      Be fair. Nothing bag happened before Gore invented Internet (.Net boom), when people started believing that they are reach, started investing in houses, and eventually caused the real-estate bubble. Both Democrats and Republicans tought us that it is because of shortage of houses and similar crap.

  • Posted By: eagles1776 @ 11/24/2008 1:14:00 PM

    While there are similarities between 1933 and now there are also some differences. With the cooperation of EVERYONE we will get things back on track. Mistakes were made by a lot of people. It is now time to learn from our mistakes and take action to prevent them from happening again. President-Elect Obama is surrounding himself with some of the finest people we have in the country regarding the economy, and everything else for that matter. I suggest we give the new president a chance. If things work well we all can rejoyce in that fact. If they don't work out we can remove those people from office just as fast as we put them into office. Doomsday purveyors seem to be very vocal, as they usually are when we see change coming. If we all pitch in and do our part we will all be better off. If we don't than those who don't cooperate will be held responsible for any failure we experience.

    Deregulation, greed, people buying what they couldn't afford and borrowing money from other countries to fund a very expensive and very unnecessary war all contributed to the mess we are in. It won't be easy but American's have done the seemingly impossible in the past and we can and will do it again.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/24/2008 8:23:48 PM

      Not 1933, it was 1929. Our 1933 will be 2013.

  • Posted By: Oregon @ 11/24/2008 7:19:31 PM

    Did FDR have Welfare and unemployment to contend with?
    What happens if we declare a jubilee where everyones debts are forgiven?
    If you don't start with the farmers and miners that are creating a product and the workers harvesting that product, you don't have anyone to buy the autos or go to the banks so I don't see why you would bail either band or auto ow

  • Posted By: westrajc @ 11/23/2008 10:31:41 PM


    UCLA Economists say FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years! http://tinyurl.com/obamalikefdr

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/24/2008 1:38:28 PM

      That's true they probably did, but in an era where deflation was one of the big things wrong with the economy, they are understandable missteps. Wrong in 20/20 hindsight, but they looked like something helpful at the time. In the current crisis, deflation isn't an issue, so avoiding these pitfalls should be relatively easy.

  • Posted By: mistermcfrugal @ 11/23/2008 3:07:04 PM

    Obama has announced his plans for 2.5 million make-work government jobs. What a loser we selected! He's a messiah? You gotta be kidding. Anyone can come up with a plan to put workers on a government dole of wasteful jobs that will do NOTHING to help the economy. Only the 2.5 million blacks who get the make-work jobs will be happy.

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/23/2008 4:15:06 PM

      How exactly, in your opinion, are jobs to build and repair bridges and roads make work? I also think you misread Obama. He said his program would create 2.5 million jobs, not 2.5 million *government* jobs. I spent my boyhood in a location where a lot of private sector jobs were created by the payroll of the local AFB. Same thing with Obama's plan to fix the infrastructure of the highway system, the people actually doing the core work will require lots of support from private sector concerns.

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/23/2008 4:57:53 PM

        Yes, repair bridges and roads without proper plans, projects and control. I would not try to cross those bridges.

        • Posted By: trimm25 @ 11/23/2008 10:36:30 PM

          big happy = idiot derrr

          • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/23/2008 11:20:12 PM

            Make me a favor. Step on one of those bridges which you will help to repair.

        • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/23/2008 5:44:39 PM

          I do not suffer fools gladly, but I will take the time to point out the folly of your statement. There are numerous state and federal laws that regulate the design and construction of bridges, thank God Bush didn't get around to deregulating those. The most obvious way that new workers are going to be employed to repair infrastructure is to be hired by engineering and construction firms that specialize in that area. The new administration may subsidize those jobs wholly or in part, that detail of the plan hasn't been announced yet. The picture you are wanting to paint, of some social services bureaucrat taking a bunch unskilled laborers out to build a bridge is just too loony for anybody but a RepubliCON true believer or politician to put any faith in.

          • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/23/2008 7:14:37 PM

            Yes, it will be exactly as you pictured - social services beurocrats will hire a bunch unskilled laborers, let alone the others criminal activities around easy money. If you think that they may handle it different way - you are typical Democratic moron. Cpitalism can not eradicate corruption, but socialism florishes on it.

            • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/23/2008 8:50:08 PM



              Gee, bighappy, are ya sure ya picked the right name?

              • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/23/2008 9:15:15 PM

                Yeah, I was happier before, but let me be an optimist.

  • Posted By: wilsan @ 11/23/2008 10:05:12 PM

    Wow! Alter actually got a Depression era statistic correct! Everything else is wrong, of course, but that has never bothered this "In the Tank for Obama" media hack.

    This writer can not be believed. He was, and is, completely biased and slanted for Obama. Objective journalism is not to be found on this rag.

  • Posted By: fidel33134 @ 11/23/2008 5:36:36 PM

    Utter crap. Alter takes no lesson from history and therefore is doomed to repeat it. NONE OF THE POLICIES THAT FDR IS CREDITED WITH -- Strengthening unions, public works projects and increasing taxes, just like Obama proposes -- took us out of the depression. INSTEAD, if you read history, you will see tht FDR's POLICICIES PROLONGED THE DEPRESSION AND DEPEANED IT. What finally got us out of the depression was the war. We were making and selling things for the UK prior to our entry into the war and that increased and the available workers decreased after we entered the war.] Alter cant see truth with his head up Obama's butt.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/23/2008 9:19:38 PM

      Still he got all the credit, because it could not be worse after 4 years of Depression.
      Democrats should mourn their great victory, because now next Republican President will get all the credit.

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/23/2008 7:00:50 PM

      These guys narrow the prolongation down to two misteps on the part of FDR, not the smorgisborg you throw out. It remains to be seen if Obama goes down either path, he certainly not has indicated that he will so far.

      http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409

  • Posted By: lib-fascist @ 11/23/2008 9:34:37 AM

    1. Join the underground resistance against totalitarianism and anti-European-American genocide.
    2. Buy guns and ammunition.
    3. Buy survival items.
    4. Stop buying anything but absolute necessities.
    5. Support the League for European-American Homeland North America. LEAHNA.
    6. Boycott liberal fascist propaganda outlets like Newsweak /LAT/NYT/ WAPO/CNN/CBS/ABC/NBC/
    7. Cancel all newspaper and magazine subscriptions.
    8. Take your children out of government liberal fascist madrassas.
    9. Form trusted lines of communication with the resistance
    10.Purge, eradicate, and liquidate with extreme prejudice any running dog collaborators with liberal fascism

    • Posted By: Doc Howl @ 11/23/2008 9:41:08 AM

      Right you are, sir. Time to cram tinfoil in your John Deere cap and head for the hills. Better hurry, those liberals don't mess around.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 11/23/2008 8:51:53 PM



        Say, Doc, Ya know where I could buy some of that wit?

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 11/23/2008 4:52:08 PM

      Good plan. Saddam would applaud you. Al-Qaida definitely will stop any actions against USA - mission accomplished.

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 11/23/2008 2:34:20 PM

      Number 10 can land you in a Federal Penitentiary. Terroristic threats over an interstate medium is a felony. I'm sure the web master at Newsweek, a publication you speak so highly of, will have no problem answering a national security letter with your IP. Now its plain to me that your threat of murder against people that don't support your racist program would necessarily include President-elect Obama. Threatening the life of the President-elect will really get you confined in a federal penitentiary fast, and not one of the country club versions either. I guess you've left yourself no other option but to take your survival gear and head out to the boondocks for an extended camping trip of, say, 20 years.

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