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  • Posted By: Kitamoon21 @ 11/25/2008 12:39:23 PM

    I hear all of this anger and venom towards what happen in New Orleans, but some simple things are left out. Regardless of how poor the people are and what catrgory of porr they fit in, NO ONE deserves the treatment many (not all) of them have received. Yes, it was the levees that caused the problem and damage from the storm that destroyed the levees. We all know that. The reason people are blaming the government is because President Bush was told prior to leaving for vacation that the levees would not hold based on what storm tracking equipment showed to be on the way. No he could not have prevented the storm, be he could have started some sort of plan to deal with what whatever the storm brought forward. When you have the job of leader of the free world, you may have to postpone a few vacations. The next problem was the government's lame excuse that they could not get to the storm sites. Why not, everyone else could? You mean to tell me that that US government had no means to get to damaged areas for more than a week and others were coming by train, plane, and automobile. When the President finally arrived he flew over the sites and observed from the window of his plane. No, the government cannot be blamed for the storm known as Katrina, but they are definitely to blame for the chaos that followed. Yes, people have been irresponsible and there is no excuse for that, put people have also been hungry, sick, injured, damaged, broke, broken, homeless, jobless, alone, dirty, raped, bitten, forgotten, abused, and others are just dead. As for blaming Obama, unless someone has a 6th sense, no one knows what will happen once he takes office, but one is certain, he deserves his chance to try. Looking at how bad things are know, it would seem ridiculous to critcize what hope anyone else could bring this country right now. If there are sick children as result of poor living conditions from Katrina, they need help and they deserve help. To do anything other than help them is stupid and we as a country have looked stupid for far too long now. Enough is enough.

    • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 5:32:33 PM

      It was not the federal government's responsibility to get the levees up to date. New Orleans has had 20 years to put the grant money from the feds into the levees, but they put it into tourism.

      Bush did offer help, but the state of LA refused it. By the constitution the state is responsible for disaster recovery, and the federal government aid can only be offered, but not forced. This is due to the fact that the states are partially sovereign. The state has to authorize any federal government activity other than upholding the law. This includes defending national territory given an attack by land. It is the United STATES of America.... not the Nation or Republic or Kingdom of America.

      It is fact that the State of Louisiana initially refused government aid during Katrina. This is the reason the government reacted so much quicker to Rita.... because when people on the west side of Louisiana saw how the state refused federal aid, they got ticked off and started an uproar. By the time Rita happened, the citizens of Louisiana didn't let the state make the same mistake again. However, this wasn't reported in the national media, because at the time, the media wanted Bush to look bad.

      I had a group of friends try to make it into the areas that the feds were trying to get to. They had to strap a boat to their truck and start up the boat. They then used the boat to try to get into downtown New Orleans, but were stopped by the National Guard. The Guard told them to turn back because it was unsafe. Rescue efforts were being attacked by thugs shooting at the helicopters trying to rescue people, and didn't want any civilian casualties.

      So your story about train, plane, and auto.... must have been about another place in New Orleans.

      • Posted By: Ezgis @ 12/02/2008 5:16:11 PM

        Yes, it was the Federal government's responsibility to build the levees. This legal obligation was passed by Congress in 1965. The Corps of Engineers had 40 years to fulfilled their obligations and they failed. During this same period, they actually added to the flood risk for New Orleans by constructed a number of canals through the coastal wetlands, which only helped the surge propagate inland.

        What amazes me so much about this ordeal is how much people are intent on letting the government get a pass, when they so clearly failed. People died, people lost their homes, their businesses, and their communities. People are still suffering because the Federal government failed to comply with their own laws. Yet, people like yourself seem to think that this is ok.

  • Posted By: CCinoh @ 11/25/2008 8:48:31 AM

    This story is so sad and is a failure of our government and yet another shame on our nation's record. Many of the comments here show the worst of America. May God bless and keep these children and their families. To all you hatemongers, please remember that the same way you judge, so will you be judged. Remember you hard heartedness, cold words, and lack of mercy and love when you and your loved ones receive news of some dreadful medical news. Just remember your words here. You reap what you sow, tend fold people.

    • Posted By: cflare @ 11/26/2008 2:17:19 PM

      There are different forms of mercy.
      One form of mercy is on the person that did nothing to deserve their circumstances and does everything to make life better for themselves. That kind of mercy is the pity and grace and weeping form.

      Another form of mercy is on those that will not do anything to help themselves. Mercy still allows people to point out and condone the laziness or ignorance of these people. However, that kind of mercy also looks to help these people out of denial and to get them back on their feet (even using forceful means, such as imprisonment for crimes).

      Yes some people are truly being hateful. However, some are saying that these people should first admit they have problems before any help given or sympathy shown, won't be wasted.

      There's a difference between mercy and sympathy.

      I ache for those who only hurt themselves by staying in the poverty trap. I truly feel sorry for them, but at the same time I won't condone that lifestyle. I won't waste sympathy or money. I will do what I think will spark these people to be self-motivated, because that's what they need.

      Jesus did show mercy to the religious elite, he did care for them, and it did hurt him how prideful they were. However, he didn't waste sympathy. He didn't heal the lame and tell them to keep asking for money. He healed the lame and told them to get up, pack their stuff, and walk. In my mind that means go find a job and live productively.

  • Posted By: lacey0828 @ 11/25/2008 8:51:34 AM

    If they would work for a living they wouldn't be in this situation. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about the people affected by Katrina. There are so many more people that have been hit with harder things, but because they're not crying about they are not getting any help, for example the people from Houston. What irritates me most is that part of Louisiana didn't even get hit the hardest from that storm. I'm orginally from the midwest and no one ever thinks to help the families hit every year from tornados. I work very hard to be where I'm at, and if something tragic happens, I have to work harder. There's been no one to bail me out, so why should I help or care about the people that have never worked a day in their lives and are taking all of the governments money. They learned that if they cry hard enough, they will get help, but help is never available for the good Americans.

    • Posted By: countchocula @ 11/25/2008 9:40:17 AM

      Alright, he is a situation for people to thing about. First, lacey, I live in illinois, and there is relief after tornadoes, you must not have been near a place ever hit. Second, all this talk of welfare abuse and lazy people. There is abuse in the system, nobody denies that. My husband and I have 5 kids, and could afford them just fine, then he got injured and is now a disabled veteran. For a family of seven this lovely government with no problems exept people on welfare pays him just over $2000 a month. We have managed to stay off of most welfare aid, but my kids need medical insurance, which is not offered through the VA. You people can also bitch because technically taxes also pay for his disability. I went from middle class to welfare because my husband got shot, and broke his back. So tell me this, do my children not deserve medical care? Yes, he volunteered to be in the Navy. He still wishes he could be. He is now 100% disabled for the rest of his life. So be glad that you have the right to bitch about welfare, be glad you have the health to be able to work for a living. You people are so happy to assume that everyone on welfare is a lowlife and refuses to work for a living. Why don't you now put into perspective the people that are in the military and have been disabled by it, have to be on welfare most of the time. Didn't you ever wonder why you see a lot of Veitnam Vets in homeless shelters? It isn't because they are all drunks or drug atticts. We have to move away from family to a place we can afford bills better, and you know what, my kids will be on medicaid there too. I don't want you people's prayers, we no longer believe in God so save your breath. I don't want your sympathy. Maybe a little apathy for people would be a nice change. As far as another comment, forget the writer. You said that basically being on welfare was un-american. Screw you! My husband loved the country enough to fight for her, what did you do, put a flag up, maybe a yellow ribbon? He didn't travel thousands of miles to live here, he was born in Nebraska. He was in Desert Storm. I don't think you realize how much the media cushions your view of wars. It wasn't a cake walk, he wakes up with night terrors almost nightly. Grow up and see what the reality is. All of us "White Trash" on welfare...I don't think anyone owes me anything, and I don't go around asking for hand outs. I refuse to let my kids not get medical assistance because I can't afford it. Why don't any of you spend a day in my life. I don't get to go to work for income, I get to take care of my husband and 5 kids. We live without a lot of things, but my family loves each other, and all my kids have respect for everyone. Maybe you were raised by closed minded individuals. I have said enough, be careful not to fall off your high horses, you might get injured and have to go on welfare.

      • Posted By: cflare @ 11/26/2008 2:10:25 PM

        There isn't really enough information on whether this situation is bad or worse.
        I don't agree with your direct attack on the poster.

        We have to know a few things:

        1. Is the back injury so bad he cannot sit at a computer for 8 hours.
        If he can, then there's no excuse for staying at home. It's time to pick up another job. He'll probably be easily hired because he's a vet (which shows good work ethic), he's disabled (which gets him a good quota and good support for the company that hires him), and he has a good resume.

        A very large percentage of people on welfare are on it because of disability. However, a large percentage of people on disability can easily perform a different job, but because they cannot perform their original job, they are allowed to stay on welfare.

        I can only assume since you MUST stay home to care for him, he cannot perform a deskjob, otherwise he could watch the kids and you could work full-time and have a great career with support from your husband. You'd pratically be an American hero yourself.

        2. If you were near family, there's absolutely no one who could help watch your family while you work. If this is true then you're still cool with me.

        3. I don't care if your husband 'settled' for service... at least he got a job rather than being a drop out. However I do wonder how you faired with 5 kids on military pay. If you were just making it, then this bothers me. I know someone else that continues to have kids and just make it. The problem is whenever either parent becomes injured they'd be just as much in the hole as yourself. I personally think this is not ethical.... but hey, your family, you decide. Fair enough with me. At this point your still cool with me.

        4. Where you are not cool with me lies in this: You are in the very small minority of people that actually deserve to have government aid. The MAJORITY of people on welfare could get a different job. Injured from construction, be a clerk, etc. I know there are some people with back issues that doesn't allow them to stay in one position over an hour... that's cool. But don't be naive enough to think that your case is common. You are the rare person that deserves the aid.

      • Posted By: helpyourself @ 11/25/2008 11:40:09 AM

        1. Your husband should have aspired to more instead of settling and enlisting in the service out of high school, because it was easy. and then realize once he was in, oh crap, i actually have to do something and go fight a war. i just wanted to hang out at the bar at the base in my sweet uniform and pick up high school chicks.
        2. Should have planned for the future, financially just getting by does not warrant continuing to have kid after kid, "gee i hope nothing goes wrong, because we are screwed plan," did really pan out for you, huh? You should have saved up each time a kid came around and waited to have the next or just stop at two, instead of letting John Q. Taxpayer pick-up your kids medical bills. In the immortal words of one of our worst presidents, "ask not what your country can do for you, instead ask what you can do for your country."

        • Posted By: Top0861 @ 11/25/2008 12:43:53 PM

          In the immortal words of one of our worst presidents, "ask not what your country can do for you, instead ask what you can do for your country." helpyourself, what have you done? I suspect that countchocula's husband has done FAR more than you. After all, he has sacrificed his health in his countries service, you ***.

          • Posted By: Lynn W. @ 11/25/2008 2:46:37 PM

            helpyourself-it is a good thing for you that people like countcocula's husband is willing to serve his (your) country and protect you lazy and obnoxious *** from having to understand that not only do you live in the greatest (albiet not perfect) country in the world, but you can say whatever idiotic thing that you want without being shot for it..

  • Posted By: jmmoran @ 11/25/2008 10:48:55 AM

    This isn't just "another left-wing point of view" or the result of overcrowding. While it is true that they don't know what pre-existing health issues these children had, putting them in formaldehyde-filled trailers only makes things worse, whether there's one or 10 people living in the trailers. The EPA has known it is a "likely" carcinogen since the 80's.

    • Posted By: cflare @ 11/26/2008 1:52:40 PM

      Possible cancer-causing substance, yes. Known cancer causing, no. Can be tested or linked back to cancer, no. Can milk be linked back to cancer, no. Can a study be done proving by observation that heavy milk drinkers are more likely to have cancer, yes.

      Observation isn't truth; observation is the closest we can get in some cases to truth. Since they can't test for substance amount, they merely go by, "These people around this stuff, have more cases of cancer than people not around this stuff."

      Around the stuff doesn't even equate to how much was inhaled, because we can't even test that.

      EPA Observation has proven that everything from caffiene to aspirin to milk to burgers causes cancer in the past. According to them everything causes cancer.

      What the people are complaining about, is the kids all of the sudden have respiratory problems. But these kids are the ripe age for these issues to develop. Respiratory problems can be linked to anything from genetics to stress.

      Look around the net, studies have been done proving that in a such a great amount of cases, the children already had respiratory problems and the doctors can't conclude that the trailer situation made it any worse. The doctor's concluded the trailer situation didn't cause the illnesses.

      So it must be a social issue. This particular group of people are susceptible to respiratory problems, for whatever reason. Common sense says crowding isn't one of them. I know someone who continuously lived in crowded situations sleeping shoulder to shoulder on a floor.... no illnesses. The difference, this someone was SUPER clean freak.

      What I'm saying, is EVERYTHING IN THIS ARTICLE IS IN TOTAL DISAGREEMENT FROM THE DOCTORS who assessed the situation already. The author did very little research and it looks like (by checking the dates on various articles on the net) she only wrote the article on hear-say.

  • Posted By: risamb @ 11/26/2008 12:35:10 PM

    Dear Liberal fools.. If you really read this article what you should comprehend is that anytime the US governmnet tries to do the work of the local community and the work of churches you end up with a bigger disaser than what you had at the beginning. Colgate did a white paper on Katrina a few years back and instead of stating the Government did too little; they claimed the US Government did too much - made it too easy let people live in these trailers vs getting bact to work and life. Even to this date, millions of $$ to help get these people back into homes has been tied up in "red tape". You reap what you sow. And, these are American's chickens coming home to roost.

  • Posted By: Lynn W. @ 11/26/2008 7:56:53 AM

    Final comment-To all of you who keep claiming that it is not the government's responsibility to take care of its people, I pose a question: What is the government's job then? I suppose it is only to help out the rich and powerful, not the poor, hungry, and weak. Why is it okay to send aid all over the world to help others than have had their lives destroyed in a disaster, but because it is poor and black Americans, they should be able to take care of themselves?

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 11/26/2008 8:45:47 AM

      You hit the nail on the head. We send billions of federal money (aka tax dollars) as foreign aid to countries...we're propping up two right now in wars. Yet we can't take care of one of our major cities in the face of a disaster? God help us if we have another terrorist attack.

  • Posted By: wali @ 11/25/2008 6:48:10 PM

    I think the spin Ms Carmichel put on this article about the plight of children of poverty has sparked the negative feedback. No one wants to see children suffer, any children. But the truth is, some people are poorer than others, some people are smarter than others, some people are more attentive parents than others. The children who survived Katrina will get the same state sponsored health care that all other families living in poverty receive, as long as an adult applies for the benefits. If the 261 children cited came from the 9th Ward, they were probably anemic, had respiratory issues, and may have already been diagnosed with learning or cognitive disorders long before Katrina. Maybe Ms Carmichel and her professional resources could spend some time touring the Grady catchment area in Atlanta, or Chicago's southside, or Compton in the LA area and then write magazine articles to raise the public's awareness of all the children living in poverty. Maybe people are just tired of hearing about Katrina.

  • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 10:43:20 AM

    HOW THIS ARTICLE FAILS:

    And 42 percent have respiratory infections and disorders that may be linked to formaldehyde and crowding in the trailers,

    - AND HEAVY SECOND HAND SMOKE....

    According to a new report by CHF and Mailman focusing on 261 displaced children.

    - Just in case you didn't notice.

    The agency's case-management program also "has yet to provide any services for thousands of families,"

    - I didn't get services because my house wasn't damaged.... Am I in that number?
    - Wait, I thought we were talking about displaced children. What does this statistic matter.
    - You're assuming since a study on 261 abandoned children has high rates, that "thousands of families" have children suffering the same fate. Again, I'm fine and my family didn't receive services.

    NOTICE THIS???
    - 41% of abondoned chilren in a trailer park have anemia. This is higher than children in a homeless shelter, which recieve regular medical care and food on a daily basis. Kinda unfair comparison huh?

    Some kids may end up with permanent developmental and cognitive delays, but many can still be helped. The first step will be finding them.

    - Some of these kids already had developmental and cognitive delays, because if this was their condition in the trailer park, I doubt it was much better in New Orleans. You must realise that it's the parents responsibility to take care of kids in these trailers.
    - Hold up. If you can't find them, then were did the 261 come from. The article is sayiing the percent of a selected 261 children who they don't know where they came from (which means they might not even be from New Orleans, but smuggled in by parents who broke into trailers to hide their drug deals), have higher problem rates than homeless shelters filled with children that we know where they come from and get regular medical attention.
    - If you break into a trailer park, we can't track you, and certianly don't know how to get you medical attention. This is different from a homeless shelter, which is ONE building, with names on a roster. In a trailer park, people that don't belong can more easily sneak in without getting on a roster, especially since homeless shelters have people on site.
    - This situation is like a homeless shelter that the homeless run themselves.

    People, use some logic and reasoning when reading articles. As you can see, this is a heavily spun article, comparing a situation where poorly run families running a trailer park abandoning kids, to a homeless shelter and thousands of families that didn't receive aid. The thousands that didn't recieve aid isn't mentioned in how they are doing. Critical information was left out to make the comparison sound more drastic. Reason things through.

    • Posted By: bennettsusan @ 11/25/2008 12:20:38 PM

      I just love how self righteous some people can be. The vast majority of Americans claim a belief in God and they are largely Christian, or so they claim. Why is it that my personal experience leads me to believe that a good percentage of these same folks sidestep many complicated issues with a "pull yourself up by the bootstrap" mentality? Personally, I find it unlikely that most seriously dysfunctional people conciously choose their lifestyle. For whatever reason they got there, am I so perfect and all knowing to put my nose in the air and say "You made your bed."

      Funny, think of the natural reaction we have when we hear of someone born into extremely impoverished, possibly crime ridden environments, who manage to turn their lives around. To do so, we know they usually have to rise up against all the prejudices that have tried to instill in them that they are trash. From children, on their own, they must search out support they never had to succeed. It is extraordinary, and we should rightfully celebrate their accomplishments and point them out as examples. Why is it then, that so often, when they do not act extraordinary, they are ridiculed? On the one hand, we love to embrace success, in astonishment, with tears in our eyes. On the other, we are quick to shoot them down.

      From a purely practical standpoint, what would happen to our society if we ignored those who suffer in it? Forget about why, just consider the results on us all. If it doesn't bother your conscience that millions of children are hungry, after all, it's not your fault their parents are scum, and their parents probably were too, what is the societal cost of undeterred poverty? It grows and along with it, so does crime.

      There is, no doubt, a lot of waste in the government's efforts to address poverty, but in my view, that
      doesn't justify ignoring the situation. How about like all things, working to do it better. If you are one of those special people who have risen above dire circumstances to lead a productive life, I salute you, and we all should. If you are someone who has had a loving and supportive foundation, who told you that you were valuable and could do whatever you put your mind to, than be grateful. Being grateful means that you recognize the importance of these gifts and before you so impulsively point any fingers, think about what it would have been like to not ever have had them. Instead, think about what it would be like to have your normal be formed by drug addicted parents who told you that life held nothing for people like you. If you still say, with certainty, that you would have still found the inner belief and strength to rise above this,
      frankly, I question your humility.

      • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 6:12:35 PM

        Read some of my other comments.
        That comment was directed at the rash and badly constructed comparisons and use of statistics. It was not supposed to be apathetic critsism of the people in that position. I KNOW the people in that position, personally.

        I KNOW people who FULLY believe without a doubt, that the government used a bomb to blow up the levees because the government hates poor people and wants them dead.

        I'm all for saving the kids.

        I'll pull the kids out and do whatever it takes to get them out of those situations and help them get on their feet.

        You truly do not know me. In summers in college I invested time in these children. In one of my summers I flew to Jacksonville, Florida and took part in a program called "Words to Works." In that program we ministered and supported children in the local ghetto-style communities and the apartment complexes. It was there I discovered that most of these children have dreams just like any other children. Most of them want to escape their families, go off to college, and make it out of that lifesytle. However, it's most often either their parents, (or when their parents support and raise them well) its the surrounding community that either attacks them and puts them down, or brainwashes them into believing they can't help themselves.

        This is why I believe NPOs are more capable of helping the poor, if they had the resources the national government has at its disposal.

        I've met those people that do not care to rise above. I've met people that do care but cannot. I've met people that do care and do rise above. I'm telling you those no reason, no excuse, that that first group exists.

        I'm willing to help the children, I'm willing to help those that want help, AND I'm willing to help those that do not want help. However, the same help doesn't work for all three.

        Those that do care, and those that cannot help themselves, make good use of money thrown at them. Those that do care but fall back into the same traps, have to be extradicted from that influence that pushes them back in. Otherwise, money thrown at them goes into drugs and back into the hell-hole lifestyle.

        Those that do not care, and do not want help, need an entirely different approach. Throwing money at them, no matter what form it comes in, does not work and never will work.

    • Posted By: DonnaEdmond @ 11/25/2008 11:05:43 AM

      So that negates these children's suffering? That negates the thousands of poor families suffering? That the government has failed these people and thousands like them? Hardly.
      Take that into account before making these all ready invisible poor people irrelevant in your life and the lives of those who read this article.
      Happy Thanksgiving.

      • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 11:56:19 AM

        I make a clear distinction between the children who are suffering, and the parents who are abusing their right to raise the kids. I'm simply stating, on the most part, it's not the government's fault that these kids are suffering.

        I'm all for helping the kids.

        A lot of this article is concocted. A lot of these children that could exist, don't exist. I saw the volunteer efforts during Katrina, and I saw a lot of it wasted by irresponsibility of the recipients. The thousands of poor families are suffering as much as you think. A lot of them have moved on, gotten jobs, and got back on their feet. I WAS THERE. I SAW WHO NEEDED HELP, WHO DIDN'T, AND WHO WASTED IT.

        Did you notice I quoted, "The children are always the first to suffer." The children are being caught between the politics and lies. It's a shame that you wasted your breath attacking me because you didn't read my response fully. You only read into what you wanted to hear out of it.

  • Posted By: Top0861 @ 11/25/2008 12:26:21 PM

    The parents of these children are probably from the same class of people that refused to evacuate and shot at Coast Guard rescue helo's trying to save Katrina victims. The same type that would knowingly move into another trailer that is contaminated with something else, as long as it's on the governments dime. Save the kids, but I'm so over the rest of them.

    • Posted By: bennettsusan @ 11/25/2008 12:56:39 PM

      I don't entirely disagree with you, but poverty is a complicated issue. Those bad behaving, irresponsible parents were most likely once exactly like the innocent children they now parent as their parents were before them.

      Seems to me, if we are to address the rot of poverty on our society, we need to look at the big picture to have a chance of any success. It is a disease with a life of it's own. Certainly, it will never be erradicated, but any amount of containment is a positive step. Also, call me a Pollyanna, but if my tax dollars save even one child's life, they were better spent than any other way I can think of.


      • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 5:49:22 PM

        You extract the kids, put their parents in iso, and place the kids in a learning environment where they can be successful in the future. If you're from a generational curse of sit-on-rear-and-cry-for-gov-checks..... then you have to be seperated from the influence.

        Put the kids in the Air Force.... there you can get a job without boot camp and can't blame the military for putting you in Iraq, because they'll keep you at home. If you go into Army or Marines, you're asking for it.

        I don't know exactly what to do, but you do whatever it takes to cut them off from FAIL and VICTIMIZED attitudes. Anyone who's taught they've been VICTIMIZED or OPPRESSED will happily sit back and blame everyone else. Anyone who's taught that life stinks, but you have to overcome and succeed.... will succeed.

        Just watch some of the national influence. It's people like Rev Wright and Rev Jackson that teach them the VICTIMIZED and OPPRESSED attitudes that keep them reliant on the government. It's exactly where the government wants them. As long as they believe they can't help themselves, they'll vote for anyone that'll give a hand-out.

        It's our political fiasco upstairs that keeps these people believing they can't help themselves. Politicians act more like football teams than individuals trying to lead America and do what's best for the people. If they cared about what's best, they wouldn't be teaching people 'they cannot help themselves'. Instead you should at least tell people to "try to help yourself, if you can't we will... but if you can you just lifted a burden off of everyone." Then the people would learn the satisfaction of true victory... not electing another president that will spoon-feed them... that's not victory. True victory is digging yourself out of the grave.

  • Posted By: nola_2005 @ 11/25/2008 12:26:50 PM

    What happened in New Orleans was a MAN-MADE disaster. The damage to the city occurred AFTER the protection levees failed. Hurricanes are a fact of life if you live along the Atlantic or Gulf Coasts. If you are tired of hurricanes, move. I grew up in Pensacola, FL and I lived in New Orleans and evacuated for Katrina. Two disasters struck the city in 2005, Katrina and the Bush Administrations' response. Shame on FEMA for allowing hurricane victims to reside in trailers contaminated with formaldehyde. The health consequences of Katrina will be felt for a long, long time.

    • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 12:38:29 PM

      FEMA didn't allow it. The people refused to move out of the trailers after being told the consequences.

      • Posted By: Lynn W. @ 11/25/2008 2:19:53 PM

        And where, may I ask, were they supposed to go? The whole point to living in a FEMA trailer is because they have no where else.. There are no rental properties in New Orleans anymore, especially not ones that are affordable.

        • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 5:37:33 PM

          The trailers were designed to get people back on their feet. Many of the trailer evacuees I know either got grants and went to college and moved into the dorms, got NPO aid and moved into hotels, went to the unemployment office and started temporary work and moved into one bedroom apt until they could start over, or did nothing and stayed in the trailers waiting for another check.

          Most people who are still in the trailer parks that I know, blew their $2000 from Fema on a plasma TV, or on Lottery tickets, or dropped it on their car customizing it. I can take you to a park in Lake Charles and show you myself.

  • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 5:22:05 PM

    I did a little research into the respiratory illness link to formaldehyde.

    It doesn't exist.

    What they are concerned about is the possibility of formaldehyde causing cancer 10 to 15 years in the future. Again, this is only probable. Doctors are not sure that this substance can even cause cancer, AND conviently cannot test for the substance. That means that years in the future, if they do develop cancer, it cannot be linked back to the trailers, yet they'll be able to sue anyway without the burden of proof.

    Do you know who's pushing the idea that it can cause cancer..... Congress. The same congress that went nuts over pushing stores to take tomotoes off the shelves because they thought they were poisoned (or so to speak), even thought the FDA didn't officially link the illnesses to tomatoes yet. Turns out it was peppers. Has congress over-reacted before over medical issues.... yes... because they don't want to wait on FDA or tests to make them look bad. However, they also caused farmers problems.

    The fact is, congress is only caring about their own rear.

    Many of these children mentioned in the article already had respiratory issues before they moved into the trailers, but the article doesn't mention that. Look around the net.... there's a lot more concise articles out there.... and the ones that do openly blame Fema are much lower on the press totem pole (meaning it's a good attention getter, but has little evidence or support in fact).

    What this 'disaster' did is uncover and expose and inflame the already existant problem in our society. People that cannot or will not get out of poverty when options exist (either through the determination to stay on government programs because of laziness, or the ignorance of such options and programs that will move them up in life) cannot adapt... at all. Don't get me wrong, ignorance isn't bad. It's not a stupid question when you don't know the answer. Stupid is not asking the question.

    This issue has always existed. Fema wasn't the cause, just the catalyst. A lot of these people in these 'temporary' trailer parks have been told time and time again to move out as soon as possible. I KNOW THIS FOR FACT.

    What strikes me as odd, is most of the articles blame the government for not finding these people permanent housing locations.

  • Posted By: QueenofTUT @ 11/25/2008 11:44:50 AM

    What we are forgetting here is that these people choose to live in New Orleans, a city that is lower than sea level. It is and always has been prone to flooding. I live in Arkansas and our crime rate went up exponentially when all the evacuees from New Orleans came here. I am so tired of hearing about people STILL looking for a handout from the government. Put the blame where it belongs - on Nagin, who refused to use the buses available, and on the people themselves, who have always lived off the government and always will. Wake up people, the government does NOT owe you a living. Get out, get a job, and quit whining! I work hard for my salary, and I REFUSE to help people who will not help themselves.

    Countchocula, I feel for you, I really do. You and your husband are the reason why our country is still free. I thank your husband for his service to our country. May God bless you, whether you believe in Him or not.

    • Posted By: Lynn W. @ 11/25/2008 2:24:55 PM

      Are you aware that not only did Nagin not use the buses available to him, but that FEMA refused the offer made by Amtrak to reroute all pawwenger trains into New Orleans following the storm, to get the people out. I am really tired of all the people trying to blame one governmental entity entirely for the situation in New Orleans; it was a complete breakdown, from local government to the federal governemnt, all the way to the very top.

  • Posted By: TX_Cari @ 11/25/2008 1:02:46 PM

    Well, actaully I moved about the flood plain as a result of this, so thanks anyway, summer, but keep your money. I didn't have any flood insurance to begin with and still somehow managed to take care of myself. I know how lucky I am to be able to help myself, and I know not all people are in that position.

  • Posted By: trish_too @ 11/25/2008 12:45:34 PM

    Has anyone given any thought to the shock value the parents experienced, not just thru the storm itself, but also the events that followed? I don't believe it's realistic to believe the peoples first thoughts were about finding a new place to live or a job. I would compare the mental health of these people to those who have been in a war zone. It takes time, sometimes years, before you can mentally gear-up to face real life again, though you know your children depent on i. The government failed, that's the REAL issue!know though

    • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 12:53:16 PM

      Yes, my grandfather and adoptive second father (no, my natural father is cool too), both made it out of a war just fine. Lots of my neighbors also moved on after hurricanes. People that get tore up by tornadoes also move on. Greensville is a whole city of people who lost everything who see it as an opportunity to build a perfectly 'green' city.... have moved on.

      Yes there is shock value. I experienced myself coming home. However, those who survived were the ones that made finding a new place and new job a priority. It can be done. We must help those who have difficulty doing so. However, continually dumping money on those that don't move on after YEARS.... I doubt is related to shock value.

      YES, Help those with shock value to move on.

      NO, it's not related to shock-value.

  • Posted By: TX_Cari @ 11/25/2008 12:22:26 PM

    When are we ever going to stop hearing about Katrina?! I am a "victim" of hurricane Ike from Bridge City, TX. Over 99% of the homes in my town were flooded, but have you heard that on the news? I lost EVERYTHING I own and guess how much money I got from FEMA? None! Guess when my trailer will be here? Never! Am I sitting around whining about how the government isn't taking care of me? Nope. I choose to live on the Gulf Coast, so I choose to take the chance this will happen. Its not someone's tax dollars from North Dakota or anywhere else to help me start over. My family and I picked up our muddy, nasty, molded belongings, cleaned them up (or threw them out) and took care of it ourselves! If I read one more article about the poor pitiful Katrina people, I am pretty sure I will puke.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 11/25/2008 12:51:05 PM

      Did 1,000+ people die in Ike? Nope. Also, before you start talking about how you're not getting money from people thousands of miles away, think again. We're all paying higher insurance premiums for rebuilding homes along the coast year after year. Is that fair to me, someone who chose to live in a safe area? Of course not. But I also realize that bad stuff happens to people, and we're all in this together, so I don't mind paying a couple hundred more to help people like you out. The complexity of social issues in this country came to a head during Katrina. You may be able to pick yourself up and dust yourself off--good for you--but thousands of others can't.

  • Posted By: trish_too @ 11/25/2008 12:47:37 PM

    Has anyone given any thought to the shock value the parents experienced, not just thru the storm itself, but also the events that followed? I don't believe it's realistic to believe the peoples first thoughts were about finding a new place to live or a job. I would compare the mental health of these people to those who have been in a war zone. It takes time, sometimes years, before you can mentally gear-up to face real life again, though you know your children depent on i. The government failed, that's the REAL issue!know though

  • Posted By: wali @ 11/25/2008 11:39:03 AM

    What about the health of the Florida families who used the FEMA trailers in the aftermath of the viscious '04 hurricane season? Remember Charlie? Ivan? Jeanne? Some of the Florida families were evicted from the the FEMA trailers while waiting for a home so the Katrina families could use them. I have seen no press on how Florida families were adversely affected by formaldehyde while staying in FEMA trailers.

    • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 12:45:07 PM

      Florida people didn't leave in the FEMA trailers for 3 or more years on end.

  • Posted By: teamplayer @ 11/25/2008 12:43:54 PM

    Time to pull your self up by your boot straps and get to work. Do not be a full time victim. Be a true suvivor. It has come down to the wire. Sink or swim. No more goverment hand outs. Get to work and be the kind of parents you need to be for your children. Go where the work is. Speaking from experience.

  • Posted By: bcfl @ 11/25/2008 11:57:25 AM

    And we should care why? When they have parents, if not relatives to care for their well being. I too, like so many others am sick of hearing about LA Katrina victims. Living in Key West, Florida, we too were hit with every major storm that year. The biggest was Wilma which flooded us and most of us lost our homes, but we all got up and helped each other and did the best we could to get back on our feet. We were told down here that because of Katrina we couldn't get the proper help that was needed. LA people screwed the system for all others that really needed the help. Texas., Mississippi, Missouri, Florida, etc. Now seems like every time there's a hurricane or tropical storm heading to the states, all eyes go to LA. Well there are other states here in the country. Let the LA people give back what they unrightfully took from everyone else and get up and do for themselves for a change. Might do them some good.

    • Posted By: cflare @ 11/25/2008 12:43:03 PM

      Well now... not too hasty. People from the Rita hurricane, and a lot of people in Northwestern New Orleans did just like you said. Formed a community and helped each other.

      It's the people that refuse to get off their feet that have caused this extended problem and made the rest of Louisiana look bad.

      This is an awesome opportunity to get their kids out and in the hands of capable parents who will raise them to help themselves.

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