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Black Men and Suicide

After a shocking online suicide, an expert says that fear of being stigmatized keeps young black men from getting the mental health help they need.

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  • Posted By: jackreed33 @ 02/26/2009 9:40:30 PM

    I highly doubt that this has anything to do with race. Im sure its from drug abuse and nothing more. This kid really needed some help and to get control over his life. This help could have gotten help at <a href="http://healthhealthy.blogspot.com/2007/06/narconon-vista-bay-never-fall-again.html">Narconon Vista Bay</a> and the drugs wouldn't have been a problem and the control over his life could have been gained.

  • Posted By: Amma @ 01/22/2009 11:17:52 AM

    The fact that suicide has increased for Black Men at 83% is alarming, and downright scary. So often our black youth are stigmatized negatively and unjustly. We must do everything we can to protect our youth on a daily basis, and to reverse the stereotypes and promotion of decadence that ultimately strips our men of their self esteem. The drug that one of the commenters mentioned LEXAPRO may cause suicide should be OFF THE SHELF!!! If we given the doctor the benefit of the doubt, he or she may not have noticed that the person was severely depressed. How much effort is really made before we are shoving drugs down our childrens throat (black, red, yellow or white) to treat mental disorder or depression - especially when the drug can kill you. Why wasnt the depression detected. There has got to be a better way.

    Still, the issue that suicide has increased by 83% -- affirms this is a systematic problem that must be dealt with a great sense of urgency. Seems to me that the responder notsoquietmajority is part of the problem. Instead of looking at the facts and dealing with the situation, that person could care less that black people are dieing at alarming rates. I would bet that person is a promoter of race wars, and black genocide. It is people like that who point their finger to troubled youth as the problem, are ignorant at best. I am sure if the rate of white children went up 83% in two year they would show compassion to their families, not spur racial hatred. In fact, that person makes me want to go negative... they are feeding on our emotions and yes spurring racial antagonism with your heartless and cruel comments... it is provocative. Folks, be careful. Dont' let these fools promote a race war. That person is ignorant, and has deeply as they hurt us, ignore the fool. One million people of all races came to see Obama, and we wont tolerate the backwardness of such idiots.

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  • Posted By: firegirl860 @ 12/02/2008 12:37:30 PM

    just wanted to make a slight correction. the site this happened on was not myspace. it was a site where people can have live web chats with friends or, in most cases, strangers. i, too, was appalled at the fact that people watched this young man kill himself and no one tried to help him. people were egging him on while others didn't believe he was doing what he claimed he was going to do. it is a sad situation that could have been helped. that young man laid on that bed for quite sometime before someone noticed that he had stopped moving a long time ago before they called the website master to tell them what happened

  • Posted By: paulte @ 12/02/2008 11:33:34 AM

    The whole situation of an online suicide is very disturbing. This MySpace site should be shut down in consequence. This is not a free speech issue. This is a question of violence. How could people watch such a thing? Doesn't MySpace know what is happening on its site? Of course human nature can be pretty bad too. If someone is planning to jump off a building or bridge, you will always hear people shouting "Jump!" Sad commentary on the human race!

  • Posted By: backwhen @ 11/25/2008 3:25:23 PM

    It's probably not the stigma (this whole stigma thing is curious, people who have been on antidepressants or antipsychotics for years look like dead men or women walking or like zombies and the experts say it's always the condition that's responsible, never the drugs. But people that look like that have always been on multiple drugs for way too long and they probably feel it is a death sentence and that's the real stigma possibly that a person let the experts "play" them by forcing them to take dangerous pills for years). And it's probably not their masculinity. Black men probably feel that anything forced on them by white people must be bad. Although if the drugs are bad, they are bad for everyone or anyone who is forced to take them. So instinctly black and white people suspect that the drugs they are given when labelled suicidal are bad. Everyone knows of someone who after they took antidepressants started screaming they wanted to die or screamed at their loved ones to get them off the drugs because those drugs made them want to die or so they thought. And the individual who commited suicide in front of the web cam actually took antidepressant pills in order to commit suicide. So why are these same pills thought of or marketed as safe by prescription but lethal if consumed for the purpose of committing suicide. They end up in the same place sooner or later so how "safe" could the pills actually be at lower dosages? Even if the dose is temporarily reduced, these drugs are intensely addictive and over the years someone on them gets enough of them in their system so that they will either gradually become permanently disabled or they are looking at an early death which can be seen in the mortality rates for people on these drugs in a mental health facility over a number of years. Just drugging people doesn't solve anything except make a lot of money for the drug companies.

    • Posted By: jayrc @ 11/25/2008 5:39:24 PM

      Simple fact of the matter is, the suicide rates are equal but the black community sees a stigma with getting treatment. That directly states that the suicide rates amongst white males around that age is much higher but are more prone to get help. If the black community did not see the stigma their rates of suicide would be much lower.

      • Posted By: jayrc @ 11/26/2008 10:48:12 AM

        Pills can have adverse side effects. Psyciatrists not so much. Humans are social creatures and when they lock themselves away they become more self damaging. Why do you think organized religion is so huge? If people could talk out their issues they would be less of a danger, if people could take the pills they are prescribed when and how they are prescribed to do there will be little to no damage. The real danger comes from mixing, not telling another doctor you are on anti-depressants and getting another pill that acts adversly with the one you were prescribed by your psyciatrist.

        • Posted By: backwhen @ 11/26/2008 2:16:51 PM

          The pills are toxic and the people who have taken them can tell you how toxic they actually are. If psychiatrists and other mental health professionals won't take these pills unless they were forced to or labelled depressed, they either know they are toxic and won't take them or would never risk finding out how toxic they really are by taking them. But they have no qualms about other people or even small children risking serious and sometimes lethal side effects taking these drugs.

          • Posted By: jayrc @ 11/26/2008 6:06:37 PM

            Again, you are saying all pills. Most have very mild side effects unless the individuals use them carelessly. Do some reading.

            • Posted By: backwhen @ 12/01/2008 10:25:09 AM

              Simple fact. Antidepressant and antipsychotic pills do not have "mild" side effects. Suicidal ideation is not a "mild" side effect unless a person is so far gone mentally they don't care and suicidal ideation becomes just "another" side effect. When that happens is it any wonder all the suicides linked to the taking of antidepessant pills?

              • Posted By: jayrc @ 12/02/2008 10:11:05 AM

                Please see the above response to your rantings. Please read before running off and blaming pills for an individuals inability to cope. People with suicidal tendencies are going to have them reguardless, and by taking pills it can help balance it, but because they are so off kilter to begin with, giving them pills can be dangerous and they should be watched closely when starting a new medication (not that they should not normally). Would you deny your dieing child medication if you knew it could save their life, but give them a headache for a week? Or would you allow your kid to die?

          • Posted By: hayleslie @ 11/27/2008 8:52:57 PM

            I agree, most of these psycotropic pills are toxic... and they can't fix loneliness, self confidence and most of all feeling unloved or underappreciated.....just numb you out... or bring down anxiety levels...

      • Posted By: backwhen @ 11/26/2008 9:37:24 AM

        Simple fact. Help from mental health professionals are psychotropic drugs often in combination that subject the person taking them permanent serious side effects including mental and physical disability and or death. There can be no stigma in avoiding that sort of "help".

  • Posted By: IslandNation @ 12/01/2008 9:14:50 PM

    The public who urged him on may not be to blame per se, but they share a portion of the responsibility. I cannot understand that action in any way.

    I agree with the view that he killed himself to stop the pain. Anybody who has ever faced that door for more than a fleeting moment knows well that it is generally not the one-off event that shoves somebody over the brink. It is day after day of what becomes unbearable torment and pain which finally causes them to seek out the precipice, stare over it for what is an eternity in that state, and ... for some ... leap willingly into what they believe cannot possibly be worse than what they already live with.

    It is wrong. It is horrible. All of us have a responsibility to help prevent it in anyone we have even met much less a family member or friend. Still, it is only possible to help prevent it if one understands that nothing is fixed in a moment. It's a battle which rages in each individual, like this poor man, often unseen by those around them until the dark becomes preferable to the light.

    It's a disease. It can be treated. However, it is not a cold or something which goes away. It's an ongoing battle for many.

    Help your fellow person.

  • Posted By: IslandNation @ 12/01/2008 9:14:31 PM

    The public who urged him on may not be to blame per se, but they share a portion of the responsibility. I cannot understand that action in any way.

    I agree with the view that he killed himself to stop the pain. Anybody who has ever faced that door for more than a fleeting moment knows well that it is generally not the one-off event that shoves somebody over the brink. It is day after day of what becomes unbearable torment and pain which finally causes them to seek out the precipice, stare over it for what is an eternity in that state, and ... for some ... leap willingly into what they believe cannot possibly be worse than what they already live with.

    It is wrong. It is horrible. All of us have a responsibility to help prevent it in anyone we have even met much less a family member or friend. Still, it is only possible to help prevent it if one understands that nothing is fixed in a moment. It's a battle which rages in each individual, like this poor man, often unseen by those around them until the dark becomes preferable to the light.

    It's a disease. It can be treated. However, it is not a cold or something which goes away. It's an ongoing battle for many.

    Help your fellow person.

  • Posted By: backwhen @ 12/01/2008 10:01:47 AM

    Key point everyone is missing. Biggs was on the antidepressant Lexapro and Lexapro carries an FDA required warning of suicidal ideation side effects from that drug that Biggs' mental health professional doctor apparently ignored.

    On Wednesday, 19-year-old Biggs ingested a fatal excess of Xanax and Lexapro and lay down to die, still wearing his black baseball cap, as his webcam broadcast the scene. Some among his bizarre Internet audience, using the medium of instant messaging, had urged him on.


    • Posted By: jayrc @ 12/01/2008 5:59:00 PM

      From the site: healthyplace.com/lexapro/side_effects.asp
      When taken properly:
      "The most common adverse events reported with LEXAPRO vs placebo (approximately 5% or greater and approximately 2X placebo) were nausea, insomnia, ejaculation disorder, somnolence, increased sweating, fatigue, decreased libido, and anorgasmia"
      When given to the wrong person:
      "Adults with Major Depressive Disorder may experience worsening of their depression and/or the emergence of suicidal ideation and behavior (suicidality), whether or not they are taking antidepressant medications, and this risk may persist until significant remission occurs. Patients being treated with antidepressants should be observed closely for clinical worsening and suicidality, especially at the beginning of a course of drug therapy"

      Please read before shooting off your mouth.

  • Posted By: skeetchamp @ 11/29/2008 6:52:56 PM

    They should round up those voyeurs and take all their money and property and give it to the victim's family. Then, they should put those monsters in prison until they rot. America has no place for the kind of scum who took delight in someone else's agony. I'll bet those people were glued to their televisions during the terrorist attack in India cheering on the guerillas and hoping for more deaths and mayhem.

  • Posted By: A normal fella @ 11/28/2008 9:52:22 PM

    Mental illness has no skin color. That should be common sense

  • Posted By: EcoChick @ 11/26/2008 1:23:02 PM

    What bothers me about this is the comment from his relative that said he was "happy" in public. Abraham was NOT happy; he was masking his pain. This family knew he was bipolar; mental illness is a valid illness; just as valid as diabetes, high blood pressure or anything else. No one would object to him taking meds for any of those ailments. This family needs to stop blaming the public who watched and coaxed him on; it's not their fault. Families need to start accepting mental illness as a serious condition; no one has to die from a mood disorder. This boy did not kill himself because he wanted to die; he killed himself to stop the pain.

  • Posted By: EcoChick @ 11/26/2008 1:22:13 PM

    What bothers me about this is the comment from his relative that said he was "happy" in public. Abraham was NOT happy; he was masking his pain. This family knew he was bipolar; mental illness is a valid illness; just as valid as diabetes, high blood pressure or anything else. No one would object to him taking meds for any of those ailments. This family needs to stop blaming the public who watched and coaxed him on; it's not their fault. Families need to start accepting mental illness as a serious condition; no one has to die from a mood disorder. This boy did not kill himself because he wanted to die; he killed himself to stop the pain.

  • Posted By: EE7011 @ 11/26/2008 10:10:27 AM

    What about having access to the health care system or social services organizations?

  • Posted By: blkbtrfly1 @ 11/25/2008 5:34:40 PM

    Wow! I was shocked to learn that this young man is black. There is a perception that black people are supposed to be so much more resillient than everyone else because of all the shty we've lived through. This misconception is particularly so among women -- the strong black woman vs. the weak withering white flower. It's all hogwash. People are people and things suck at one time or another for all of us. I'm beginning the think that while the level of "suckiness" might be different depending on your circumstances, the ability to handle it apparently has little to do with race.

    ASK FOR HELP PEOPLE!

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