The Mayhem in Mumbai

Gen. Jamshed Kayani openly admitted to Pakistani Army excesses in Bangladesh. He even called Gen. Niazi a debauch. A few months after giving this interview he passed away mysteriously. BTW clipping of the Bangladeshi genocide are on you tube.

The Indian state of Assam is now home to more than 8 million illegal Bangladeshi's. That has changed its demographics entirely. Nobody was willing to give the same political rights to Assam that Kashmir has to keep out outsiders and foreigners. The reason being Assam was previously a Hindu majority state! When I hear the militant Kashmiri's whining about the problems they have created for the civilians, I am left to believe that they actually believe in their own propaganda.

Today some of the most successful Muslims and certainly the most famous Muslims are from India. It is a pity they are not from Kashmir. Stop ghettoizing and join the mainstream.

Just for the information of the ignorant, Pakistan massacred 3 million Bengladeshis in what is now Bangladesh in 1971. That is the largest genocide known to humanity.

India has already proved itself by providing Kashmiris with more rights than any of its other citizens. It has squandered the money of the Indian taxpayer just so that the Kashmiri's can sustain themselves despite of not contributing to the exchequer. Kashmiri's get outright grants from the Central government which they do not have to repay. Other provinces get only loans. On a per capita basis the grants given to them are about 9-10 times of those given to Bihar. Kashmiri politicians and religious heads (Mirwaiz) who benefit from corruption are the main culprits. Kashmir State Assembly ratifies the laws of the Indian parliament before they are applied to Kashmir. This is a power no other provincial assembly has in India. No outsider is allowed to settle in Kashmir, but the Kashmiri's can settle anywhere in India as they have done for centuries. These political rights make Kashmir a unique place in the subcontinent. If Kashmiri's were Pakistani's they would be suffering today and if they were independent they would become a failed state immediately much like some of the Central Asian states. Kashmiris even before independence were always a part of the national mainstream. Its time to do the same today. The lure of jehadism and seperatism might create new Caliphs but I am sure the ordinary Kashmiri would be worse off than now.

The distrust between India and Pakistan which has plagued the subcontinent in the second half of 20th century and impeded the development and progress of more than a billion people has to come to an end.
India needs to divorce its efforts of trying to gain retreat in the changed perspective after 9/11, in the notion of war against terror to keep physical control of Kashmir and avert the pressure from International community.

It needs to prove its credentials through action in adhering to the democratic principle which it very proudly exaggerates in front of world community. Its credentials as a democratic country are jeopardized when one witnesses how it has, civilian people under siege with 800 hundred thousand army presence within its streets, villages and hamlets in Kashmir.

It needs to prove the democratic high morals which its present Prime minister daringly pronounced while addressing the joint congress of United States which I quote??? Democracy is not defined by what is written in the constitution but how it functions on ground???

It needs to prove that it does not use its acquired military might to unleash terror in the Valley of Kashmir upon civilian people to enforce its will to negate the basic unalienable right of self determination of Kashmiries.

It needs to prove that colonization of Kashmir is a misconstrued concept and decolonization is as relevant today as it was, when it fought for its own freedom against British rule

It needs to accept the fact that people of Kashmir are not up against in the name of religion but for an opportunity for a fair democratic verdict to choose their future course of their nation.
If someone wants to find the reminiscence of 20th century colonial rule, Kashmir is the place to visit.

He will find how claimant of largest democracy in the world holds civilian people under siege with 800 hundred thousand army presence within its streets, villages and hamlets.
He will find how claimant of responsible democratic country uses inhuman laws and methods to stifle the voice of freedom

He will find how under the garb of fighting terrorism it uses its acquired military might to unleash terror in the Valley of Kashmir upon civilian people in order to negate the basic unalienable right to decide their future as guaranteed by international community.

He will find how will fully it shut its eyes to daily killings of men, women and children as a matter of routine governance in Kashmir


If democracies commit human rights abuse that are committed in Kashmir by India, then democracies are not defined by moral power of people, but the powerful define democracy, thereby undermining its purpose of governance.

India has taken sanctuary and advantage in the changed perspective after 9/11. in the notion of ???war against terror??? to keep control of Kashmir and International community at bay.

Hey , Khasroo29 we just give a damn wether you have any malice towards the people or not. But the reality is that the Indian Armed Forces and it's intelligence wing RAW sowed the seeds of real cross border terrorism by erecting the horrendous MUKTIBAHINi in East Pakistan.It was such a brutal force that if given time it would have exterminate every non-Bengali from East Pakistan. And yet again with impunity the Indian Armed Forces continued and this time in Sri Lanka by creating the LTTE popularly known as the Tamil Tigers.The Tigers are by far the most cruel insurgents ever known , and the one who invented suicide bombings.

And when the oppressed Kashmiris deamnd the right of Plebiscite a/c to the UN resolutions the indian Govt. denies them this right , and then blames them if some of them resort to violence.Please mend your ways first and withdraw support to LTTe.Then only can you expect your western neighnbours to withdraw their moral support to the kasmir cause.

pakistan was created while hindus and sikhs killed 4 million muslims in punjab alone ,

if 60000 pakistani soldiers managed to kill 3 million and the surrender and be returned to pakistamn without war crimes indicting them -then stopl your silly lies
go to hague and get the army convicted

you guys are hilarious you do not even know the etiquettes of how to make a false accusation in your absolute desperation in your anti muslim rhetoric

let me tell you a massacre which was true and not even remembered

20 MILLION AMERICAN INDIAND KILLED BY EUROPEANS IN NEW WORLD
please build a monument indeed
as for pakistani army -they were taken prisoners and it was in bengaL ,
mukti bahini had started with unpretentious massacres of bihari urdu speaking minority in then east pakistan
and that was the initiation of the civil war in east pakistan

MUKTI BAHINI was armed and trained and were indeed the worst terrorists world has seen created by INDIA AND INDIRA GANDHI -THE EVIL DICTATOR FROM INDIA

Indeed Karaswart is very correct, we had to move through the killing of about 3.0 million men, woman and children and raping of unknown number of women to become an independent nation. Unfortunately the killing, raping, arson, etc were justified in the name of the religion by the the then Pakistani autocratic and military rulers. We have no malice towards the common people of that country. Its a pity ,the perpetuators of gausty crime against the humanity was never taken care of by the International bodies. Condoning of these crimes encurages others. It is the sincere hope that this time the Mumbai incident will be investigated and the criminals, their mentors and supporters will be brought to justice.

December 3rd 1971- the beginning of the end of the genocide of the Bengali Muslims perpetrated by Pakistani Soldiers. Over 3 million Bengalis were murdered. Let not the world forget.

Excellent case in point - http://thinking-feet.blogspot.com/

pakistani maderchodo ko mar dalo, ppl we dont get better reason for a fuul attack over pakistani bastard.in sab logo ki gaand mai boom laga kar uda dene chahiye.Sale hijde

I am originally from Mumbai and I completely agree with Prakashms. My muslim friends who are educated and acquired appropriate skills are very successful in their careers. It is not true that Muslims in India are discriminated against on the basis of their religion. Those who don't bother to learn marketable skills will not find jobs irrespective of their religion or ethnic background.

Mr. Zakaria surely knows the Ahmediyas and Ismailis who are muslims (though the Sunnis say they are not) who have participated in the economic boon. Sunnis who specialize only in the Koran and who have no marketable skills cannot find jobs not necessarily because they are muslims but unqualified. Surely he knows about Azim Premji??

PART 2
Anyway, I digress??? many Hindus now believe that they have endured enough, enough of the ???offer the other cheek??? philosophy offered by Mahatma Gandhi. These are the people who have inherited the tradition of having a language first coded into a formal grammer (Sanskrit, Panini, 4th century BC), discovered the place value of zero (Aryabhatta the Younger), used steel beams to span over Natya Mandirs (the Kalinga school of temples), and enjoyed the golden age of art and literature (the Gupta Period; please see ???The Glory that was India??? by the Welsh Indologist Arthur Llewellyn Basham, or works by German Indologists). This is somewhat unfair, because how does one judge recompense in the present, of grievances perpetrated in the past? But, that is no argument to condone present-day acts of apartheid.
American proselytizers, WHILE IN INDIA, make no secret of their contempt for classical Hinduism. How would it be if Hindus in the US started to refuse cooked food from Americans saying that it would be against their caste rules to take food from untouchables? If you don???t like the way India is at present, or how 80% of Indians conduct their lives, then get out of the country. India and Indian Hindus have survived 7 centuries of Muslim domination and another century and a half of British colonialization, we have the survival gene inherent to our systems, and in spades. Spare us the temptations of our eternal soul. What temptations? Saudi Muslims condescend to Indian Muslims, because of the taint of conversion. Let me ask you, if a Hindu converted to Christianity, will you consider him a candidate for a matrimonial relation of any variety, or will considerations of skin colour enter into the discussion, even if by a smidgen?
The same can be said of acts of terrorism. Each time such an atrocity happens, it brings to mind in horrific detail burning, rape and abductions perpetrated upon Hindus over centuries (see ???India, A Wounded Civilization???, Naipaul), all culminating with the Partition of India; a decision which left a million dead, over ten million displaced, and problems besetting the subcontinent to this day! To count on third party help is pointless. Bringing the Kashmir issue to the UNSC in 1948 was one of the most foolish acts perpetrated in independent India, and served only to further complicate an already delicate matter. Let us be clear on this matter, wherever there is a boundary of capitalism/socialism, there is contention, a partition of some variety and bloodshed of the NATIVES, be it Korea, Vietnam, the middle-east and yes, Kashmir. It is very easy to judge things in the present, to assign the roles of victim and antagonist, try to go back a little bit more??? things are more complicated, and it is harder to assign blame.

PART 1
The occurrences that you speak of did indeed happen. But, at the same time to claim that these are cause-less will be absurd. Since idea of democratic society/government starting to pervade India in the early part of the twentieth century, it has been accompanied by two equal and opposite paranoias: the first by the Indian Muslim (right now I am alluding to undivided British India) that he will be overwhelmed by Hindu Raj, after centuries of Hindus being lorded it over by a Muslim ruling-class minority; the second by the Indian Hindu that since the course of his Arya Varta/Bharat will now be decided by the populational majority, therefore he finally has the opportunity to rectify centuries of wrong.
So, what would this ???wrong??? be? Mass slaughters by invaders in the name, IN THE NAME of religion, looting, destruction of temples, slavery, mass rapes and infanticide and mass abductions. There is not more than a handful of temples in the entire Gangetic plain of north India which is more than 300-400 years old. There are no, no major forts or palaces or secular buildings which date back to pre-Muslim days in this, the cradle of Hindu civilization. With the discovery of the sea route to India in 1497, matters did not improve. At first, Europeans were in thrall of having discovered the route to the India of legendary wealth, learning and tradition. But, that soon morphed to inquisitions (by the Portuguese near Goa), apartheid (???dogs and Indians do not enter???), proselytism (Britain up to the Mutiny of 1847, Americans to this very day), and erosion of the country???s resources (over 2 million dead in the great Bengal famine while exports to England did not wane by a kernel, given the continuance of WW2 in Europe). Indian soldiers fought and died in Europe and the middle-east during both the world wars, and yet Indians have nothing to show for any of that. When a British regiment would surrender in the deserts of Mesopotamia during the First World War, the English generals would bargain safe conduct for themselves, while the Sikh troops would die as slaves, parched and tortured by the Turks.

they may have a cause but its sullied by these gross actions.
no cause deserves attention or uncovering but must suffer the opposite
so as to discourage such barbaric actions.

let them know not only have the sacrificed their lives and innocents but their own cause also
Media please dont raltionaliz and Richard K we cannot even make the connection with the massacres you described.

sad to say but the cause must go down with the action, unitl memories fade