The Mayhem in Mumbai

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  • Posted By: shahab03@yahoo.com @ 11/27/2008 4:30:45 PM

    here is whats happening to minorities in india .... there is no such thing happening to hindus in Pakistan and rest of middle east.. millions of inidans work in middle east...

    http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=37172737321&h=zE_mB

    http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3829364588351777769&hl=en

    how do you explain this?

    • Posted By: rohit @ 11/30/2008 12:40:20 PM

      Care to read how 15% Hindus in Pakistan got decimated and are less than 1.6% today?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan

  • Posted By: hemashukla @ 11/29/2008 2:39:49 AM

    The comment about institutional discrimination by Arif is totally out of place and extremely inappropritae especially when he himself being a muslim is a product of the same society and look how far he has come. This is the same kind of excuse that many muslims use to hide behind their inability to educate and take advantage of same opportunities given to most of the indians. They need to introspect and evaluate their value system before making such a blanket statement about the indian society. Majority of the muslinms in indian including the educated class have not developed a capacity to think independently without the religious islamic influences on their day to day life which is primarily responsible for their dismal record in education and society in general. Muslims have reservations in colleges and schools, in jobs and still they are not able to take advantage of these opportunitues to lead purposeful lives and are SEDUCED (arif's excuse) into killing people........Arif Zakaria, please use your position of power and influence responsibly to give a true picture of the situation and not confuse your readers who trust your publication.

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 11/29/2008 7:14:01 AM

      He has no pwer. He has muslim controlled media... a leftist one bend on destroying our way of life.

      • Posted By: chandradk1@hotmail.com @ 11/30/2008 12:11:23 PM

        Mr Zakaria represents the moderate face of islam but in reality these educated nits can be more dangerous trying to rationalise the barbaric acts of muslims

  • Posted By: taketime2str @ 11/30/2008 11:06:59 AM

    Do you have to look so far to find the soiurce of violence. Violence isn't owned by any race religion or culture. Look in your close surroundings, It's all around us. Domestic violence, the death count from automobiles, drunk driving, indiscriminate bombing, drug therapy, illegal drugs, mal practice, illegal wars etc. We are living in a cess pool of violence, greed and indifference to humanity. Does it make one feel good speaking of anothers violence, rather than confront the problems of society with love and compassion.

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 11/30/2008 10:47:58 AM

    EMMARCEE at least he knows where to find his mother. And you? You are full of hate, and like i have EMBRACE it. It keeps me safe and warm when we go out hunting hadji. You and I have that in common-HATE. A beautiful thing....

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 11/30/2008 10:32:28 AM

    Zakaria ur silence about islamic violence, and thier ULTIMATE goal is deafening. Tell everyone wat they REALLY want. Caliphate? Does that ring a bell?

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 11/30/2008 10:29:27 AM

    Chairman Mao's saying that "religion is the opium of the people" rings true when talking about ISLAM. Islamic fundamentalism must be, at the least, contained, the best would be killing ALL thier leaders and working our way down. The P-stani's are just begging to get a whooping. US forces will be crossing that border in bigger numbers than before, its a matter of time. Tick-tock tick tock....

  • Posted By: headcheese @ 11/30/2008 10:25:07 AM

    food for thought , maybe society is based more on the "haves" versus "havenots" whether it be financially,socially,or maybe just location, we see these attacks in western culture too,in our schools and universities,perpetrated by non ethnic middle class teenagers,until we solve our socio economic problems as a world,we are forcing the poor to be militant..somalia is a prime example.

  • Posted By: WorldCitizen2008 @ 11/29/2008 4:34:11 PM

    RICHARD KEFALOS:

    1) Seems to me that you are forgetting that there are millions of children who go to bed hungry and are homeless in the United States, the richest country on earth! We spend billions of dollars killing people yet we are unable to feed and take care of our very own.
    2) How did you justify 9/11or the bombing in Madrid, U.K etc?,
    3) "Atavistic and Destructive Relious Practice"? You must be kidding --History has repeatedly shown that Christians and Muslims go about killing others in the name of religion. Hindus don't sing songs like "Onward christian soldier ....." and our religoius books do not talk about going to heaven by converting/killing nonbelievers. Grow up and get your facts straight.

    • Posted By: sdavid21 @ 11/30/2008 9:25:43 AM

      Well said,
      They (Muslims including Fareed Zakaria) blame on somethinging else. Muslims in Inidia are treated better than the Hindus and the Christians. He has to point the fingers at some one else as always.
      The persecuted lamb. Ity is the other way around from Baslan to Bomaby the cowardly Islamic Terrorists killl innocent unarmed children, women and men!

  • Posted By: scubaszeke @ 11/28/2008 3:38:14 PM

    I wish the Muslims would adopt the Jim Jones philosophy and all kill themselves. Religion sucks.

    • Posted By: Gordonjoel @ 11/30/2008 7:08:22 AM

      Islam seems to be religion of devil and its basic tenet is against civilized society

  • Posted By: QuantumOfSilence @ 11/29/2008 10:53:54 PM

    Indian Commando Operations

    The response to terror by Indian intelligence, counter terrorism and the elite Black Cats is an absolute disgrace to all armies in the world. It took 12 hours for the Commandos to be deployed and four days and counting for the Commandos to completely destroy the terrorists.

  • Posted By: thom14 @ 11/29/2008 7:17:03 PM

    Mr. Zakaria states, "One of the untold stories of India is that the Muslim population has not shared in the boom the country has enjoyed over the last ten years. There is still a lot of institutional discrimination, and many remain persecuted. There's enough alienation out there that there are locals who can be drawn in to plots." This "explanation" fails to account for the attack on the Chabad House.
    As other comments have noted, this argument can readily turned into an explanation and then almost a justification for the slaughter, just as the hardships sustained by Palestinians has become a rationalefor suicide bombings in which the victims are blamed. Mr. Zakaria, a gifted observer with Muslim roots in India, has rarely if ever commented on India's "institutionalized discrimination toward Muslims in India although he has written numerous articles about India Moreover, as one of many journalists who avidly supported Sen. Obama and ridiculed McCain's scepticism about unconditional negotiations as as a bygone relic, he applauds India's reticent response. If. however, it appears that the terrorists were connected to training camps in Pakistan , does he suggest that India simply ignore that connection? .
    The last eight years have taught us the viewing events thriugh ideological blinkers while ignoring contrary evidence wreaks havoc. While correctly condemning the Bush administration for taking certain actions which ignored facts counseling a contrary approach, let us not fall into the trap of viewing events through a prism which champions negotiations and understanding "root causes" to the exlucsions of other approaches.

  • Posted By: JoanR @ 11/27/2008 9:28:31 AM

    More Islamic violence directed toward others and not an evil Israeli in site.When will the deep thinkers in the West manage to grasp that the "root cause" of Islamic violence is Islam.

    • Posted By: clonetrooper @ 11/29/2008 7:10:13 PM

      I condemn this barbaric killing but as a muslim I reject the conclusion that Islam is the root. There are 1,3 billion muslim all over the world, if they are all violent because they are following Islam I wonder how the world can manage without WW III until now. All the act of these barbaric people mostly drive by political motive not the religious one.

  • Posted By: divinely speaking @ 11/29/2008 10:28:23 AM

    911 was plotted in Pakistan, by Pakistanis and carried out by the jihadists. On 9/11/2001, the chief of ISI was in USA to watch the fruits of his grandiose plot. Now, look at the parallel. The Mumbai terror was also planned by Pakistanis in Pakistan, and this time the foreign minister of Pakistan was in India. This time I believe the Pakistani Foreign minister Qureshi must be awaiting a call from the Indian government to obtain concessions from India in return for the hostages. It did not happen, it will never happen, it should never happen. Fareed, go pass this message to your fellow Islamists.

  • Posted By: divinely speaking @ 11/29/2008 9:25:42 AM

    I must give credit to the Americans who probably cannot even name the capital of USA or the name of the president. But they do not believe their preachers when the preachers tout the virtues of the holy times of the biblical period in the holy land. The Americans are not interested in bringing it back. Same in India. Ram Rajya (the kingdom of Lord Rama) is a myth that many country folks used to believe was achievable, and the politicians promised Ram rajya. But the truth is even in the ram rajya there was corruption, jealousies, insecurities, cunning, kidnapping and war. Same in Krishna rajya. Same in Caliphate. The caliph of Baghdad was broke. He had ot invade a rich country, which was Sind now in Pakistan. Yes, even Mohammad was a liar, a violent, debaucherous, rapist, killer, and a plunderer. That is the fact. So, instead of moving forward, why would anyone want to go back to caliphate, ram rajya, biblical period, etc.? The only difference: the advocates of ram rajya do not advocate violence by bullets, but peaceful tranition by ballots.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 11/29/2008 7:31:46 AM

    Mumbai: The Maharashtra Government on Saturday said it has ???enough proof??? that the terrorists involved in Mumbai attacks were in constant touch with their masters in Pakistan, giving updates on their every move and taking orders.

    "We have enough proof that they called Pakistan while carrying out the attack. We have enough proof regarding that. All phone calls made by them had been tapped," state's Deputy Chief Minister R R Patil said.

    Patil said the terrorists were informing their bosses across the border about their movement and taking instructions.

    "They were being instructed from outside regarding their movement inside the hotel -- whether to go upstairs or come down or make a move left or right. They were being instructed over the phone from outside. These two militants were also updating that particular outsider about their each and every move over the phone," he said.

    The Deputy Chief Minister said the terrorists were well equipped and the attacks were well planned.


  • Posted By: ferozkhan @ 11/28/2008 11:18:44 AM

    I was just surprised when I heard it on the news that they knew that there was something like this going to happen 6 months back and also had the intelligence info regarding a training session which held only a week ago.

    What were you guys doing?????????????????? Stop blaming the Muslims and find the root cause.

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 11/28/2008 12:56:59 PM

      Feroz, nobody is blaming the regular family oriented Muslim person. islam needs change, probably before anything else changes. In terms of evolution, Islam is behind Christianity (in Europe) which has seen a gradual disassociation between Govt and persoanl faith through the last 400 years. Where is your Martin luther? where is the Muslim priest who is asking all Muslim brothers to stop this craziness? No, they are all silently supporting it. The main problem is that from the earliest days, the religion was bent on expansionist theory, which is the basis of Jihad. If a Muslim cannot find peace with Republic of India I don't think they will ever have peace.

      • Posted By: ferozkhan @ 11/29/2008 1:53:05 AM

        My friend, Islam is a belief, a faith. Islam is a timeless religion. Islam means submission to Oneness of God Almighty. So therefore where do you think it needs change, submission the Almighty. If you talk about the practice by so called mullahs then I may agree to you to greater extent. Muslim, the one of practice Islam. Muslim is not trade name that one can call himself by born into a Muslim family. One need to practice the true submission and every aspect of religion that Allah has decreed upon us. And believe me my friend nowhere it says that a Muslim can kill take innocent lives no matter what. Jihad of today is nowhere what says in Quran. Above all Quran teaches us to respect every religion.
        But one thing I have to admit after all that is happening around the world, Quran seems to be the most read and least understood book in the world. How very unfortunate. And we don???t need person like Martin Luther (my deepest respect for him) to understand the true Islam.

      • Posted By: awaz @ 11/28/2008 3:49:33 PM

        I understand that millions of Indians are working and living in the Gulf region. I know that Gulf is a
        predominantly Muslim region. If the religion of Islam is really that bad, how do you explain the existence
        of a thriving Indian community in the midst of the followers of this horrible region? And for your information,
        most Muslims in India are even worse off than untouchable--let us just say that there is a special lower
        caste for Muslim in India's, still deeply entrenched, caste system.

        • Posted By: divinely speaking @ 11/29/2008 12:42:03 AM

          The caste system in Pakistan is worst. The caste system within the muslim community also exists. So, get some education, awaz, get some objectivity. Right now you are trying to justify the terrorism for your own fantasy. You are one of those muslims like Fareed who cannot be trusted. I will quote Zia,"it is okay to lie and cheat for Islam." That is what you are doing. You are a prime example for which no muslim can be trusted.

  • Posted By: nitinshingala @ 11/29/2008 1:40:17 AM

    Should such Muslim religious leaders and intellectuals rather not focus on spreading modern education amongst their community? Show me one modern educational institution that the community has put up in last few decades in India?

  • Posted By: divinely speaking @ 11/29/2008 1:28:45 AM

    Zakaria is stupid.

  • Posted By: nitinshingala @ 11/29/2008 1:19:22 AM

    TO SAY THAT MUSLIMS HAVE NOT BENEFITTED FROM THE BOOM IS UNTRUE. ARE PREMJI OF WIPRO AND PROMOTERS OF CIPLA AND WOCKHARDT NOT MUSLIMS? WHY IS FARID NOT TALKING ABOUT INERTIA AMONGST MUSLIM INTELLIGENTSIA WHO DO NOT TAKE ON THEIR FUNDAMENTALIST MINDED RELIGIOUS LEADERS WHO OPENLY ESPOUSE SUCH CAUSES? IS IT NOT TIME FOR SOME SERIOUS REFORMS IN THE WAY ISLAM IS BEING PREACHED AND FOLLOWED?

  • Posted By: nitinshingala @ 11/29/2008 1:14:49 AM

    ARE THE PREMJIS OF WIPRO AND PROMOTERS OF CIPLA AND WOCKHARDT NOT MUSLIMS? HOW CAN WE SAY MUSLIMS HAVE NOT BENEFITTED FROM THE BOOM? WHY IS FARID NOT TALKING ABOUT APATHY AMONGST MUSLIM INTELLIGENTIA AGAINST TAKING ON FUNDAMENTALISTS AMONGST THEIR OWN? THE MUSLIM RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE KNOWN TO BE ESPOUSING SO CALLED JEHADI AND EXTREMIST CAUSES. WHY NOT TALK OF THEM?

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