The Pakistan Connection

so STOP using the world Islamic so loosely. These people who committed these types of acts do it own their own, they do not represent ISLAM! because the acts itself is totally opposite of its teachings. Should I blame Oklahoma bombings on Christian Terrorist? Or Should I blame Ireland Republican Army for being supported by Catholics who they were fighting with Protestants? Was that a clash of Religion between two faiths who believes in one Jesus? No! absolutely NOT! Every religion teaches Tolerance, not Ignorance? There is a massive size of IGNORANCE in WEST and its culture of understanding WORLD RELIGION and that should be changed, and encouraged to teach and learn in our school and Universities, it???s a right time, and era to make sure our next generation in education who do not know or understand how to live, tolerate, respect other religions that co-exists within our culture and country, it???s called Pluralism!!

Now if India believes that Pakistan has something to do with it, then I like to ask where were Indian Navy Seals? where was Indian coast guards, where were Indian military radar operators who monitors their water ways? Where were all these security, where they all sleeping, not paying attention of who is entering in their water ways? Where were there so called smart intelligence? They bloody like to test their nuclear missiles, and forewarn the whole world, but when it comes to defend their borders and waters, they are weak and sleeping? Yes I condemn it, and is hurtful to see innocent people get caught in middle of these crimes, but how do we change and protect, unless we learn to cooperate, be tolerance, create dialogue, have mutual understanding, share wealth, and share knowledge? 50 years of fighting, they have learned NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING!! SHAME to INDIA and SHAME to PAKISTAN and SHAME on the whole WORLD of its IGNORANCE.


This World was never safe and never will be safe till the whole WORLD learns to work as one NATION to change its policy.

First of things, India cannot blame Pakistan for the terrorist acts in Bombay. Second, Pakistan cannot blame India for terrorist acts in Islamabad Marriott Hotel. Just because the people who were singled out were called as Muslim. Remember one, two, ten or a big group of people who terrorize a country, state, province or city do not represent the belief, or ethics of one entire country or its people. For whatever reason people commit terrorism in today's World do it on their own to display, convey, or create fear in people or its country. It could be foolish of any country belonging to UN thinking that Pakistan or any Islamic country it behind it. If it???s easier for India and its citizen to point finger at Pakistan and it???s just as easier for Pakistan to point finger at India to Marriott bombing, it just does not add. Remember some Christian US born converted their religion to Islam, and then joined AL-Qaeda network and were killing our soldiers in Afghanistan, and got caught, and they were separated from core so called Muslims, why was that? What if a person who is Muslim in US and converts to Christianity or Jews, or Hindu, and then commits atrocity elsewhere, will he / she be singled out as belonging to prior religion as Islam and media will paint that person as Islamic terrorist or will be cleared of that and called Christian / Jews/ Hindu Terrorist? Then how will that set-in with common citizen learning about that he was a Christian / Jews / Hindu, and not Muslim, then will it be fair to paint him /her as representing the whole of Christian / Jews / Hindu faiths?

Western and Eastern society and countries knows it by now, that Islam religion has been hijacked and its people are hostages. Simply using the word ISLAM-ic terrorism is not proper. How if I use the word Christian terrorism, or Hindu terrorism or Jews terrorism, would that be fare of all these domestic bombing that has happened over the years in USA or India or else were made by Christian, Jews, or Hindu terror network? Does that sound fair to you, so judging or pointing one religion is absolutely absurd and crazy!! Word Islam means ???Submission to the will of God???. Christian believe in same God as Muslim, don't they? Hindu religion believe in Krishna it???s from same God, isn't it? Didn't Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed come from same father " Prophet Abraham" isn't it? so why so much disparity then? There are 1 Billion Muslim in this world, probably 1 % are the ones doing all these, causing all this havoc, rest of them all condemn these types of acts. So why use the word Islam-ic-Terrorism, to be fair to all why not say its ChristJewsIndiaIslam Terrorism! Give credits to all religion of the World. These terrorism has nothing to do with any Religion, it all revolves around World Politics and its Policies, and powerful businessmen who want to see World go to hell and they want to make money while its happening............

natasha: noone says that India is a paradise - a mature democracy can take criticism with respect. But its not just Indians who say that Pakistan has terrorists - now the whole world is saying so. I can understand why it would hurt you, but you have to realize that in your country you have fostered these Jihadi culture through Madrassas, which has now become an international menace. You dont have to take these criticism personally. As for the shortcoming of Hindus - in a diverse society like India, majority and minority are just relative terms. There are many places in India where Muslims are majority and Hindus live in fear. My overall assessment of Hindus as a MUslim is that they are not anywhere near as aggressive as we Muslims are, even if you take into account these violent Hindu extrmeists.

natasha: noone says that India is a paradise - a mature democracy can take criticism with respect. But its not just Indians who say that Pakistan has terrorists - now the whole world is saying so. I can understand why it would hurt you, but you have to realize that in your country you have fostered these Jihadi culture through Madrassas, which has now become an international menace. You dont have to take these criticism personally. As for the shortcoming of Hindus - in a diverse society like India, majority and minority are just relative terms. There are many places in India where Muslims are majority and Hindus live in fear. My overall assessment of Hindus as a MUslim is that they are not anywhere near as aggressive as we Muslims are, even if you take into account these violent Hindu extrmeists.

While I subscribe to the adage that the first casualty in times of war is the truth, I am surprised to find instances of inaccurate reporting in such respected publications as Newsweek. I am a Punjabi Pakistani who has heard and saw the horrors in Mumbai over TV and I can tell you right away that the attackers that appeared on TV were neither 'fair skinned' nor spoke 'Urdu with a Punjabi accent'. What struck me was the peculiar Indian accent with which the attackers spoke in Hindi to the television crew. The attacker did not once utter the typical religious slants that you hear from their counterparts elsewhere in Pakistan. They spoke in clear Hindi about the causes that led them to take up arms, the atrocities committed against them in India by the Indians. It is clear from the purported phone call that the attackers were Indian, even though Muslims, and were politically, rather than religiously motivated. What does not get press is that the last major terrorist attacks in India were by a group of Hindu fanatics against Muslims in which elements of Indian Army were also implicated and apprehended. The terrorists today belong to all major creeds, Muslim, Jewish, Christian and Hindus, and while their religions may be different, their acts similar. I think Newsweek needs to employ unbiased specialists in Indian dialects and assess once again the origin and message of the men who called Indian channels and claimed to be one of the attackers.

While I subscribe to the adage that the first casualty in times of war is the truth, I am surprised to find instances of inaccurate reporting in such respected publications as Newsweek. I am a Punjabi Pakistani who has heard and saw the horrors in Mumbai over TV and I can tell you right away that the attackers that appeared on TV were neither 'fair skinned' nor spoke 'Urdu with a Punjabi accent'. What struck me was the peculiar Indian accent with which the attackers spoke in Hindi to the television crew. The attacker did not once utter the typical religious slants that you hear from their counterparts in Pakistan. They spoke in clear Hindi about the causes that led them to take up arms, the atrocities committed against them in India by the Indians. It is clear from the purported phone call that the attackers were Indian, even though Muslims, and were politically, rather than religiously motivated. What does not get press is that the last major terrorist attacks in India were by a group of Hindu fanatics against Muslims in which elements of Indian Army were also implicated and apprehended. The terrorists today belong to all major creeds, Muslim, Jewish, Christian and Hindus, and while their religions may be different, their acts similar. I think Newsweek needs to employ unbiased specialists in Indian dialects and assess once again the origin and message of the men who called Indian channels and claimed to be one of the attackers.

IF AN INDIAN CAN DO WHAT HAPPENED IN GUJRAT THEN AN INDIAN CAN DO WHAT HAPPENED IN MUMBAI> OR IS THE BUTCHERING OF 2000 MUSLIMS A LESS HEINIOUS CRIME THAN WHAT HAPPENED IN MUMBAI? WAS GUJRAT NOT AN ACT OF TERRORISM?

NOT A SINGLE COMMENT HERE EXPLAINS THE SAMJHOTA EXPRESS BLAMING-PAKISTAN-LATER-FINDING-OUR-OWN-COLONEL-RESPONSIBLE INCIDENT.

READ THE LA TIMES ARTICLE OF TODAY WRITTEN BY AN INDIAN MUSLIM THAT SAYS MUSLIMS IN INDIA ARE WORST THAN UNTOUCHABLES.

LASTLY, BEFORE BASHING ISLAM, PLS REMEMBER HINDUISM HAS CASTE SYSTEMS. LOL. FUNNY. BLAME MUSLIMS, BUT HEY, FORGET ABOUT THE UNTOUCHABLES.

there is an article in LA Times written by an Indian Muslim. the title says it all "Muslims in India worse than Untouchables". Muslims make up 11% of india's population. 40% of the indian jail population is muslim. they have less than 5% govt jobs. 46% of muslim men are uneducated. 91% of muslim women are unemployed. 64% of muslim men are unemployed. and so on and so forth.
LEST WE FORGET, REMEMBER GUJRAT? IF INDIANS CAN DO WHAT HAPPENED IN GUJRAT, THEY CAN DO WHAT HAPPENED IN MUMBAI. OR DO YOU THINK THE BUTCHERING OF 2000 MUSLIMS IS A LESS HEINOUS CRIME THAN WHAT HAPPENED IN MUMBAI? WAS GUJRAT NOT TERRORISM?
there are 11 insurgency movements in india. 14 seperatist movements. india does not get along with china, pakistan, nepal, bangladesh. all its neighbours. jealousy is such an easy explanation for all of that isnt it?
and if inida wants to attack, let it attack. worse comes to worse, both nuclear armed nations will be wiped off earth's surface.
as for what happened in mumbai, all we knew was that pakistanis were sad. they have seen this happen one too many times here. they understand what pain is. they have lost people too. When i saw what was happening on TV i called up my mumbai friends immediately who were thankfully safe and sound. also thankfully, there are a lot of reasonable people in india. all my indian friends were angry at the pakistan bashing going on.
and lastly, not one comment here has explained the samjhota express blaming-pakstan-but-later-finding-own-colonel-responsible incident. the evidence was clinching and binding back then too, wasnt it?explanations, anyone?

My heart goes to those families who lost their loved ones on that unforgettable night of terror attack in Mumbai recently. I can't even imagine what they must be going through. Our thoughts and prayers are with them.
I don't understand when will India Govt. understand that Pakistan can never be our friend. It is impossible to make peace with a country with core believe in creating instability in India. Forget going after those extremists and catching them and putting them behind bars we don't even try to protect us and prevent these from happening again. Sometimes I feel where are they heading with all these violence and hatred.

Being an Indian Muslim living in US for past 11+yrs. I wonder what our kids will go through when they grow up. Post 9/11 the world has been a different one. If these terror attacks like the recent one in Mumbai continues to take place specially in India it will be almost impossible for law abiding loyal Indian Muslims to live their daily lives. Because at one point there won't be any difference between terrorist and Muslim.
I don't understand these terrorists philosophy. if you want to be heard by the whole world do it peacefully, not by destroying innocent peoples life or by brain-washing unsuspecting youths. Who gave those religious leaders the right to be the spokesperson of all Muslims. We certainly didn't. so stop these violence in name of Islam and stay away from India.

to all Pakis who ask for proof: this was exactly the same words that Pakistanis and other Jihadi sympathizers throughout the world wanted after 9/11. Now 7 years later, after several videos from Al Quida where Bin Laden himself boasts that he ordered 9/11, majority of Pakis still believe that it was Jews. If we look into attacks at Marriot hotel and Lal Masjid issue, it is evident that Pakistan has a serious militant problem and they are willing to cross the border and commit murder inthe name of "religion of peace".
The problem that India and all civilized nations face is that we as a democratic civil nation have to play by the rule(ie, we have to have written proof, we cannot torture, we have to give them lawyer etc.), these sick animals who committed this crime do not have to play by the rule.
An Indian Muslim

well, the most easiest thing to do is "blame somone" and the hardest one is to "prove it"... pointing a fingure on pakistan will not solve any issue, but make this situation more complicated.. india is a big democrated country (as they claim) should act responsible... try to find solutions rather then inviting more porblems, be calm and face it... this is the biggest failure of indian govt and its inteligens Lets not forget after Samjhota train incident in india, india blamed on pakistan and ISI within no time. After a long investigation by Indian police and its officials they came up with the name of some hindu estremists and a serving colonel and they accpeted it... but unfortunately all these officials are killed during mumbai attack.. what next comes in ur mind.. indian govt wanted to hide this colonel's issue and made this drama at its own and now blaming to pakistan...
I wish there will no more war between India and pakistan.. if it happens .. that will be bad for pakistan and worst for india..Pakistan is alredy facing terrorism in its own country, and fighting the war "US war on terror" in result, its a kind of thankless job as far as pakistan is concerned... what USA is giving pakistan just one line "DO MORE" that it.. no thanks, no acknowledgment, no financial support, no sympathy, no reward and no trust...

Wrong ,
absolutely wrong,
Pakistan is not involved in the insurgency ,
committed in indian hotels.

It is wrong,
absolutely wrong,
i mean, baseless allegations has been levelled against Pakistan,
Pakistan is not involved in the insurgency committed there
and targeted people in hotels,
like marriot hotels in islamabd Pakistan.

The trouble is playing the Pakistan card, despite the perceived sympathy that doing so brings, serves no purpose other then perhaps winning votes for crook politicians fom ignorant and illiterate Indians, who unfortunately comprise a majority of Indian population.

Perhaps a better solution could be to employ resources to recruit some of its 41% or so of those living below the poverty line and train them to prevent such attacks in future? Or perhaps it could just demand it police/military/ intelligence officials to start delivering.

But then again why should it? After all, it has such convenient scapegoats to deflect criticism from its inability to safeguard its citizens' lives.

Sadly, some things never change.

In a situation like this; It is easy to be deceived by what you see and very difficult to think objectively. The last terrorist attack on the train in which 187 people died and hundreds were injured was for a long time blamed on Pakistan. After a thorough investigation the actual perpetrators were found to be Hindu extremists. In the past four years 4000 people have been killed in India mostly by a variety of homegrown terrorists. The separatist movement in Kashmir has recently regained impetus due to opposition of Kashmiris to the allocation of vast tracks of land to Hindus; nothing to do with Pakistan. At the same time Indian make arms and ammunition has been found with the Taliban who are fighting against the Pakistani Army in the tribal belt. It is possible that these arms are also used against the NATO forces. It is being alleged that India is providing financial support to the separatist movement in Baluchistan. In spite of a plethora of domestic issues to settle, India is willing to get more and more involved in the Afghan quagmire. Is this not playing with fire?

This article covered most of the issues causing and begetting terrorism in South Asian. One of the issues that was not mentioned that could provide context to Pakistan???s security establishment???s growing unease or apprehension with India, is New Delhi???s growing influence in Kabul. Pre-Taliban rule and prior to the Soviets invading Afghanistan, Kabul and Islamabad had a frosty relationship. However, when Pakistan???s ISI entered into the US backed fray of pushing the Russians out of Afghanistan, Pakistanis found themselves becoming the new puppet masters of ethnic Pashtoon-Afghanis who morphed into the Taliban --- the same Taliban who ruled Afghanistan post-Soviet withdrawal.

Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan???s new puppet President is not under ISI control. In fact inspite of the fact that Karzai sought refuge in Quetta, Pakistan during the entire period of Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, Karzai on becoming puppet-President, jettisoned Islamabad and started wooing New Delhi. This new development spooked Pakistan???s military and security establishment as it carried within it the implicit threat that India could utilize Afghan territory to strong-arm Pakistan. Whether Pakistan???s fears were justified or not, India on its own part did little to assuage Pakistan???s anxiety and indeed ratcheted up New Delhi???s aid in money and people (read Indian spies per Pakistan) to the Karzai establishment.

The short term challenge for the US now is to let cool heads within Pakistan and India prevail over the hawks. Both countries have nuclear weapons and are irresponsible enough to use them. Over the longer term, stability in Afghanistan can only come if the corrupt and ineffective Karzai government is replaced (by the Afghan people) with leadership that looks after the interests of all (i.e. not only Pashtoon) Afghanis. Lastly, the incoming Obama Administration will need to curtail the ambition of both New Delhi and Islamabad to set up proxy rule in Kabul. It is high time that this new version of the great-game ends.